Published: Sunday, Jan. 8 2012 11:00 p.m. MST
Universities should teach courses on how to rip off students.
Tuition at th University of Utah is approximately $3000 per semester, not $3000
per year. The article grossly understates the cost of attending the U.
Part of the problem is that the prestige of a college or university is partly
driven by its perceived value -- and the price of tuition becomes a key function
of that perception. High prices signal value. Consequently, you have many
mid-tier universities increasing tuition partly to compete with the Ivy Leagues
in terms of cost perceptions. School debt becomes a badge of honor. Some schools want their students to "owe" money to them in paying
back loans after graduation as it creates a post-graduation relationship where
the graduate can then be the target of ongoing donations and development
opportunities.Finally, many universities are now engaged in
"branding" wars to compete with the better-known schools. Thus, they
have marketing and development people, whose sole purpose is to build the image
of the school and procure donations for buildings, facilities, and ad
campaigns.Lost in all this is funding for faculty... sure new
incoming faculty get high market-rate pay, but loyal faculty (the backbone of
many universities who have built programs, taught lots of students, established
research records) see their salaries "squeezed and compressed." The future of academia as a career is bleak!
The article opens by stating that a University of Utah student now spends $3000
per year on tuition. Tuition for a full-time student is actually double that.
The university's tuition schedule lists tuition of $2924.99 for a student taking
15 semester hours.
Universities are also competing in meeting student's sense of entitlement (some
would say students have gotten spoiled). And they are competing in the
perpetual race to move up a few spots in the ranking of colleges (which is like
professional sports teams competing over the top-tier players).
Very good article. When I attended the U in the 80's the excuse for tuition
rising faster than inflation was "we didn't raise tuition in the 70's and
we need to catch up", that excuse is a little threadbare now. The real
causes are explained well in this article.
Yea, right after NCLB was created and enacted by presidential executive order as
a law. Then soon after the NCLB run out of federal funds so more laws and more
financial institution were created, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, to help reduce
education costs to students and to guarantee funding for schools and education
costs. And they all did just the opposite to college and state funding of public
education. The promise of money for schools, not ones education, was
enough to create a national panic of money grabbing for federal funds. As the
programs grew and terms and conditions of getting money from the feds for
education, it required a lot of matching fund taxation of the people to get the
"free" federal education funds. Schools grew fat and the
more students in their schools the fatter the schools could get from federal
spending and the industry of debt of student deferred borrowing created a whole
new prosperity for higher education and public schools in the hands of federal
lending. Educations new role as OJT instructors for specialized
labor failed becasue the jobs have disappeared, now government spending is the
new measure of economic growth.
Re: "College costs skyrocketing"The elephant lurking in
the room in any discussion of wildly inflated and unsustainable education costs
-- something also left unsaid in this article -- is the fact that Big Education
has taken on the task of providing a posh, inviting, non-demanding home for
otherwise unemployable marxists and leftist advocates.People like
the current President, his marxist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers,
Bernadine Dorn, Ward Churchill, Richard Cloward [who, interestingly, taught at
ASU], Frances Fox Piven, Cornel West, Van Jones -- and well, the list is endless
-- all found highly remunerative posts at Big Ed colleges to support their
anti-American activism.Maintaining these cynical, closet capitalists
in the style to which we'd all like to become accustomed is a primary cause of
the deranged increase in the number of non-pedagogic positions in major
universities. And that's the primary source of the bloat requiring such
breathtaking increases in tuition costs.
It is not just Universities. I was at Snow College last year. Before my
mission when I went and came back last year, tuition had already gone up 300
bucks in two years. It went up 700 dollars from when my brothers were there 6
years ago. It's ridiculous.
Just examine the sports depts of our universities and the wages they get (Whitt)
as an example, then go right down the list of classroom instructors and the to
the supervisorial salaries then you have the lid of from the can of worms!
Politics again, don't you all just love it?
Hmm, I am always fascinated by these types of articles. First, the
U is extremely affordable. Stop complaining. Even BYU is a steal. Second, if you don't think it is worth it, don't go. What is the number? Oh
yeah, a college graduate, on average earns a $1 million more than high school
graduates during their lifetime. It seems as if $3000/semester is steal. After moving outside of the state of Utah I am probably biased because I
moved for school, but Utahns DO NOT VALUE EDUCATION the way the rest of the
country does. Everything from complaining how much their public schools costs
to the cost of tuition at its EXTREMELY affordable colleges. I
really appreciate my extraordinarily expensive education. Every dollar of it.
My opportunities afforded was greatly opened by those degrees and experienes,
not to mention my income which is considerable. Its a free world.
If you don't like it, go somewhere else, or don't go. No one is forcing you.
The day that tuition isn't worth it that is when FREE MARKET will compensate.
No worry Procuradorfiscal, about the leftists. They are counteracted by the
right-wingers such as the Koch Brothers who've donated nearly $700,000 to USU.
The money has been used to hire five new faculty members, and establish a
program for undergraduates to enroll and learn about Charles Kochs Science of
Liberty management theory. The Koch Brothers have made similar donations to
George Mason University, Florida State, Brown, and others.What about
salaries? For example, at UC Berkley, 2 coaches are paid over $1m. At UC Davis
it has been reported 19 professors and administrators are paid over $400k. UC
San Diego has 45 staff making over $400k and at UCLA seven employees received
paychecks exceeding $1,000,000, and 72 professors and administrators received
paychecks over $400k.(Note however, these UC schools are in the top
10 nationally ranked public schools).Another factor:pensionsThe economic crash took a big chunk out of pensions. The State of CA stopped
funding pensions when they were overfunded in the 1990s. Most likely tuition
will be raised to make up the current and future gap.Demand and
supply won't work. Many more US and foreign students apply than get accepted.
"They calculate that Berkeley could save $40 million to $55 million just by
simplifying organizational structure. 'This might include eliminating some
administrators and having supervisors oversee more subordinates.'"--------------------------When the institutions of academia and
"higher learning" are such stellar examples of mismanagement and,
let's be honest, stupidity, what hope have we that politicians (even less
renowned for their intelligence and/or integrity) will do better.In
fact, as noted in several places in the article, it is the combination of the
two, with government dabbling in the finances and operations of higher
education, that is the most likely culprit in this example of institutional
inefficiency and ineptitude.
This article not only underestimates the cost of attending the U now, but unless
there was a tremendous jump in tuition from 1970 to 1972, it listed those
numbers incorrect as well. Tuition in 1972 was about $350 a year.
I believe the author incorrectly reported tuition costs at the U of U. I'm
certain I paid (out of my own pocket) at least $54 per semester, not per year.
(those were the days!)Additionally, the article failed to identify
the Goldwater Institute as a conservative think tank.
I'm amazed that no one is willing to face the reason for the incredible tuition
increases. Yes, the cost of living is higher, but these increases are so far
beyond that, even far beyond the rise in healthcare costs, that it's really
said. So, how do the universities get away with these sky-rocketing tuition
increases? Because our federal government makes it so easy for them to do it.
With loans. Take away the loans, the student enrollment goes down quickly,
the universities must take drastic steps to get their houses in order so tuition
can be lowered to get the students back. Every time the government intervenes,
costs rise. Think post office, education and healthcare. Wait until
Obamacare is really in place. The other, smaller but important
issue is that professors are rewarded for publishing, not teaching. It's the
academia way and its ridiculous. Get rid of government loans and publishing
rewards and tuition will drop by 40-50% very quickly. The free market always
At 15, Jarvis Nelson should be in high school and even thinking about
college.Yet Jarvis is in seventh grade, and doesnt know where hell
go to high school or even where he will be living when he graduates from
junior high, hopefully next year. Jarvis, like thousands of other students in
Chicago Public Schools, is homeless.He is just one of more than
10,660 students who were homeless at the beginning of the school year. Thats
1,466 more than at the same point in the previous school year. Last school year
ended with a record 15,580 students with nowhere to call home, the current surge
means this school year is on pace to be another record breaker.Nationally, 1.6 million U.S. children lived in homeless shelters, motels, with
relatives or other families or living on the street in 2010 a 38 percent
increase since 2007.(Chicago Sun Times)
Foxtrot is correct. It is still an amazing bargain at twice the price for an
excellent education.Although a college degree may not be as
monetarily valuable as thirty years ago, it is still essential to get ahead in
the world. Many skilled workers do very well financially without a degree.
But for those who want to get ahead and enjoy a satisfactory career-a degree is
Re: " The day that tuition isn't worth it . . . [the] FREE MARKET will
compensate."Big Education destroyed the free market years
ago.For 200 years, ambitions American students could and did work
their way through school. During my grad-student years, a "student
loan" was charging tuition on a credit card, then paying it off with
student-level work during the semester.Try either today.Big Ed lobbied governments -- at all levels -- to put a fat thumb on the
scale, skewing costs to the point of unsustainability. It then lobbied bloated
federal entities to intervene even more heavily, through unsustainable grant and
student loan programs.Now that foolishness has all come home to
roost, and there's but one way out -- cut costs.Start by leaning the
employee pool -- unnecessary administrators, high-priced profs that haven't
recently seen the whites of a student's eyes, unnecessary platoons of TAs and
post-docs, whole fluff-based departments.Then, cancel all unfunded
research. Cancel building plans.Most of all, reign in accrediting
"guilds."In other words, re-establish a genuine free
The $54/year tuition in 1970, as stated in the article, is a gross
understatement. In my freshman year at the U in 1959 the tuition was $85/quarter
(3 quarters in a normal school year--pre-semester times)...$255/year. In 1966 it
was over $200/quarter...$600+/year. Textbook expenses exceeded tuition costs in
the early '60's.
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