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Published: Sunday, Jan. 8 2012 11:02 p.m. MST

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higv
Dietrich, ID

What principle is you can't force the spirit to come to you. He comes on his terms. I think he wants you to move after prayer not wait for the answer and he will answer on his terms.

Many things you ask for I don't think he cares but you may be disappointed if you are too dependent on things such as what car to buy what to eat and the like.

Even descicions such as were to live, go to college were to work he will help you but for most part won't tell you what to do there. May say go ahead most of the time.

As for burning in bosom I never felt it. The caloric thing some people think is burning in bosom. Worked with someone said he felt it that superiors were doing something wrong. Out of stewardship anyway and he was not keeping commandments so could not get that revelation.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Mr. Jensen presents an interesting discussion. It makes one ask: if how he explains there is this mystical influence of the Holy Gost, then can other faiths and religions, ie.: Islam, Christian, skeptics, etc. also receive and benefit from the Holy Ghost; and if there is this great power of the Holy Ghost then why is there so much discontent and strive in the world and between religions. DN: you have me a little bit spooked because you keep censoring me. Please do not censor this honest question, perhaps you don't know the answer. However, there are smart Mormons who post and I look forward to learning from their answers. Thx.

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

@ skeptic

The gift of the Holy Ghost is available to all, no matter what faith we belong.
One can find peace in many different faiths, they just need to reach out.

Heavenly Father has given us this gift to lead us through this Earthly life.

We have no control over other peoples thoughts, only our own.
We are free agents to choose the direction in our own lives to follow.

Many people choose to make their own calls in life without spiritual help, but that can lead to that "strife and discontent" you speak of.

This gift is God's personal gift to us to find Eternal Life. What we do with it is our own?

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

Discussions on the Holy Ghost - what it is, what it feels like, experiences with it, etc. are always interesting and useful to me. Personally, I think the "burning in the bosom" is a phrase we use too frequently. I could be wrong, but I think a true, caloric heat-like burning in the bosom is rare. There are dozens of different ways the Holy Ghost communicates to us - a burning in the bosom is just one of dozens. I have been praying all my life and have had thousands of answers from the Holy Ghost - only once have I receive a true burning in the bosom - a true, caloric, heat (but comfortable and beautiful) experience - and it was something that turned out to be extremely important. Peaceful and sanctifying are the best words to describe the Holy Spirit to me.

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

%eagle651 and Utes Fan,
Thank you for your explanations, it still leaves me curious as to what is the effect of the experience you have had with the manifestation of the Holy Gost in your lives. Did it change you, did it change how you live your life, does it make you special, are you a better person of good works and public service, etc. What does it really mean. Is it just like a buddies warm pat on your back that makes you feel appreciated and recongnized. I know Mormon missionaries who have visited my home and told me of their receiving the Holy Ghost and I still know them now years later and they are no different than anyone else I know. No better and in some cases worse. I don't kow of anyone but Mormons who claim this experience. So what is the bottom line: what does it mean and what does it matter. Thx.

Utes Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

@skeptic

Excellent questions. Yes, the influence of the Holy Ghost changes me. Normally, I am an irritable person - traffic, my wife, my kids - I easily get irritated by many things. When the influence of the Holy Ghost is with me, I have far less irritations. I am happier, more peaceful. I treat my wife much better, and instead of yelling at my kids for their mistakes, I take them in my arms and explain things to them calmly and peacefully. Also, the things of God mean more to me. Also, I believe things more, and understand better.

Now, I do not believe that these experiences are unique to Latter-Day Saints. But for me, there is a mighty difference in having the Holy Ghost with me as opposed to not. I do a form of amateur middle-eastern-like meditation sometimes - it leaves me calm and peaceful. But it is not as purifying and spiritual as the Holy Ghost. Don't get me wrong, I am not claiming that non-LDS practices are not useful. But for me, nothing cleanses my soul and makes me a better person than the Holy Ghost.

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

@skeptic
Sorry you have a problem seeing the Holy Ghost benefits in your life.
The gift is very personal and comes with no labels of denominations.

For me, I find I am not alone anymore, where I was before.
Can't explain it, other than it is God's gift to my heart.
The same gift that is available to anyone who offers up their hand to Him.

It seems that to many people are trying to dissect God, trying to find answers that are right before their eyes.

The Holy Ghost is like spiritual DNA, placed there in our makeup before we were born and dwells within us.
Not there to control us, but assist us in this life.

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

@ Utes Fan

you hit the nail on the head. I was just explaining to someone this week how me with the Holy Ghost is like me ... only me+. When I don't feel the spirit I am easily discouraged, frustrated, and cynical. I get frustrated with my kids and the constant needs they present. Even though I live a life of relative comfort it seems hard.

When I feel the Holy Ghost my whole perspective changes. My children seem like gifts and I feel endless charity and desire to help them with their mundane needs. I feel encouraged, happy, energetic, and excited about life. I feel like I see things clearly and know where to put my time and energy. It is a feeling of peace, kindness, patience, and Christ-like love.

Being a Sunday School teacher, teaching the Book of Mormon has been a huge bonus for me this year. I have felt an immediate, tangible, benefit as I have begun to really dig into the Book of Mormon every day preparing for my lessons. It is amazing.

Now if I can only convince the 16 year olds in my class to do the same thing :)

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Utes Fan & eagle651,

Thank you for sharing your insights. It sounds like it works good for you. Also, I will appreciate your answering: If you were not Mormon could you find or receive the same spiritual benefit and can you more or less turn it on or off at will or when desired. Thx.

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

@ skeptic

The Holy Ghost is a "benefit" of those who strive to live their lives like Jesus Christ. The best way I have found to feel the benefits is to sincerely and humbly put time into reading the Book of Mormon (or Bible, but I prefer the BOM for its clarity).

As soon as I stop striving for righteousness, I can't feel the extra benefit any more. For example, after I had a baby and was haphazard in my scripture reading, I felt the benefits less (not gone, but significantly less). As I started up a more sincere study and striving to be like Jesus, I felt more of Christ's love for me and my children.

If a missionary is awesome in the field and comes home and stops striving to study about Christ and live like him, the power is gone. It is all about what you are doing today and not about who you were years or months ago.

Anyone who sincerely desires to seek Christ will feel the spirit. I know some anti-Mormons who read the Book of Mormon with a chip on their shoulders intent on being angry, of course they aren't going to feel the power and peace.

If you find you are prejudiced against the Book of Mormon, try it with the New Testament, you will get similar results. Read 10-15 minutes, focusing, pondering about Christ and your own life. Be open to Christ as your Savior.

It is really all about the power of Jesus Christ and his love for us. Good luck with your experiment, but beware, it has to be a daily (or nearly daily) effort or the power is gone, gone, gone.

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

@ Utter Nonsense

Since I am not any other person besides myself, I can't say what they are feeling. There are times when I have felt peaceful (like mediating, kicking up my feet) peaceful, and then there is the feeling of the Holy Ghost. It is like John 14:27 - Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you.

It is like feeling peaceful, but so profoundly more powerful.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Skeptic: Lets clarify something very quickly. There is the power of the Holy Ghost and then there is the gift of the Holy Ghost. These are two separate means of the Holy Ghost. Everyone on earth has access to the Power of the Holy Ghost. Everyone can feel the presence of the Holy Ghost depending on circumstances. However, this is just the power of the Holy Ghost. It is fleeting and disappears after it testifies. It does come back numerous times. Others feel this and feels of its power. Some feel it and have no idea that it is the Holy Ghost they are feeling.

The gift of the Holy Ghost is what is given to an individual by the laying on of hands through the Melchezidek Priesthood. No one gets the gift of the Holy Ghost without this and yet they still have the capability to deny it. As a person has the hands of a worthy Melchezidek priesthood holder give them, he doesn't say I give you the Holy Ghost, instead he says, "Receive the Holy Ghost". It is then up to the individual to actually receive it. They still have access to the power of Holy Ghost.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

The Gift of the Holy Ghost is a constant companion to guide an individual that testifies to the individual. As one is worthy of this gift it stays with the individual. It helps to guide them in making decisions no matter how trivial but it is a feeling that goes beyond "The burning in the bossom". Each individual is different thus it talks to one differently from each person. This burning in the bossom is only a description, nothing more. One must learn to recognize the Holy Ghost and when it is present.

I can tell you that though I have the Gift of the Holy Ghost if I'm not in the right frame of mind, if I'm doing things contrary to the will of the Father, the Holy Ghost will not be present. Others may feel it but I will not.

Take a look at the movie Polar Express, and think back to the boy wanting to hear the sleigh bells. He heard them only once he believed he could, after that he could always hear them. It is the same thing with the Holy Ghost.

George
Bronx, NY

"The Holy Ghost is vital and we should earnestly seek His companionship, guidance and gifts," Elder Jensen said. "[It is] truly an unspeakable gift." the next lien should read. unless it tells you something different then what we are telling you then you either just don't have enough faith or are being deceived.
I guess it really couldn't be that you received a different message then the one they want you to have could it?

eagle651
Chino Valley, AZ

@ skeptic

You asked that "if I was not a Mormon could I find or receive the same spiritual benefits". I assume you met other denominations?

The answer is a definite yes, however, I believe the Lord lead me through the Holy Ghost to the LDS Church. Witch I am very happy.

Christ believing Churches are the vehicles to lead one to Christ, His Word and teachings and the Scriptures.

But the Holy Ghost is very different than just scripture, it is a very personal and intimate gift.
The power of the Holy Ghost brings to life the Lords message and develops our faith and Testimony in Christ.

It is somewhat like lights on a Christmas tree, they produce nothing by themselves but when the power is introduced a beautiful array of color is displayed.

You have some great questions and I hope you find the answers you are looking for.

But don't allow yourself to become a permanent skeptic, a force other than God's would love that.

sharrona
layton, UT

@ Bill, The gift of the Holy Ghost is what is given to an individual by the laying on of hands through the Melchezidek Priesthood. No one gets the gift of the Holy Ghost without this?
The Spirit is received without ordinances in Mosiah 18:14, And after Alma had said these words, both Alma and Helam were buried in the water; and they arose and came forth out of the water rejoicing, being filled with the Spirit.

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;(Titus 3:5)

Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit same Greek word(pneuma).(1Cor3:16&6:19)

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Thanks to all for your explaining for me your experience with the Holy Ghost. I think we may be discussing sematics more than anything different. I have experienced the same as you, but I have always contributed it to inspiration, intuition, instict, fear, joy, fate good thinking and or luck that is part of man's evolution. So I guess in your language I know or have the Holy Ghost the same as you. It is good to know. Thx.

Full-on double rainbow
Bluffdale, UT

The best way to know if you are feeling the Holy ghost is to decide if you are being led toward a churches dogma or not. If something is contrary to the dogma then it is either your own emotions or you are being deceived.

Fern RL
LAYTON, UT

The best way to understand the influence of the Holy Ghost is to experience it. The Holy Ghost has a mission to witness of the truth, so for any hearer of an important truth who has a desire to know whether or not it is true, the Holy Ghost is there to bear witness in a way that the hearer my "feel" it is true. If I say: "Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God," I believe that anyone who hears that and desires to feel the truth of it will have such a feeling. That is what is meant by "burning in the bosom."

Joggle
Clearfield, UT

In consideration of your religious beliefs.....I must say I find these descriptions of the manifestation of "the Holy Ghost" to be something a person can do with their own mind through reasoning out one's own thoughts.

My question would be: If one's own mind can naturally produce the feelings, thoughts, reason, guidance, peacefulness, actions, and cautions you attribute to the Holy Ghost then how do you really know for certain it is the Holy Ghost rather than your own mind? I know myself well enough that I can testify that it is my own mind at work rather than a "Holy Ghost".

Religion will tell you that you cannot trust your own mind and your own thinking...so you should let them or some religious entity such as the Holy Ghost do your thinking for you....it seems. If you buy into that idea, it will really cripple you. You won't be able to think anything without also thinking that it might be wrong, because you thought it....so you hope that a supernatural entity intervene. I doubt that anybody has gotten perfect guidance as to have a perfect life, so why believe it if it can be explained_otherwise?

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