All great coaches, but I think Utah has had better and more great coaches than
BYU has. If you think BYU, all you would think of would be LaVell Edwards (some
would also argue Bronco, but he hasn't taken the program to the next step and
has done terrible against Utah). When you think Utah (I'll even limit it to the
past decade), you would think Ron McBride, Urban Meyer AND Kyle Whittingham.
3/3.Just my opinion, let's see how many Cougar fans comment back to
me, it will be fun.
Actually, when I think of BYU and great coaches the U never even crosses my
mind. It takes a reminder from someone like Ares above to remind everyone of
the U's coaches. No articles written but only comments from BYU's under the
Did you not read the article? it was about people who attended BYU and became
coaches. I don't think any of those ATTENDED utah...
The great coaches from the U came from BYU, namely Kyle Whittingham and Kilani
Sitake.Urban Meyer just used the U as a stepping stone for bigger and
better things. When you compare the 3 "great" coaches mentioned
by Ares to LaVell Edwards, it's not even close. Coach Edwards is a legend,
pure, plain and simple!!!!
Great article, but could it be expanded to coaches in the high schools? Also
include Southern Utah and Utah State as hot-beds of coaches who have gone on in
the profession. It might be a daunting task to research that list, but it would
show the value of the programs at Cedar City and Logan. Just curious.
Sorry, Ares, you may have credit for HAVING Whitingham and Meyer, but not for
having PRODUCED them.While I will concede that Kyle may have a
slight edge over Bronco, due to his BCS victory and current head to head
competition, I'll debate (gentlemanly, not smack please) Ron McBride's position
comparitive to Bronco. And Kyle has proven himself to be excellentat
implementing changes mid game to alter the outcome. Still not impressed with
his failure to coach his team against vastly inferrior opponents like Colorado
and UNLV, but he sure took BYU to the woodshed. Ought not to treat your alam
mater that way...And by the way, using as a major measure of success
an individuals record against Utah is a bit ego-centric. Again, it makes the
Colorado coach, as well as others, geniuses when the over all record doesn't
bear that out.
No one can question that LaVell helped a number of his assistants onto the
coaching career path, and many have become very successful at it.
Congratulations to them. However the timing of this article is consistent with
both the D News and D Harmons efforts to continually prop up BYU when faced with
advancements both on and off the field for their rival Utah. We have all read,
more so on the other daily SLC paper than this one, the movement of and interest
in Utah assistant coaches as the season ended while there has been no mention of
such for BYU and its staff. And with the number of resources committed to
covering BYU sports vs. coverage for Utah, if there was any serious interest in
BYU coaches it would be front page. I also suspect that if the numbers were
reversed, no article would have been written. I enjoy articles that point out
the successes of both programs, but I can't remember an article that from this
paper or author that talked about the the history of coaching advancements. I'm
not surprised by Mr. Harmons bias, after all it is his job to promote all things
BYU, but I would hope for more balance from the sports editor of this paper, but
alas the disappointment continues and will probably do so. At least it
continues to be consistent!
Coaches that have come from the ranks of USU Aggie Football former players over
the years:LaVell EdwardsChris PellaTom RamageChico
CanelasKent BaerDonnie HendersonWade HarmonNate
KatzorShawn JohnsonDanillo RobinsonMatt WellsFrank
MaileThese are the ones I could think of I am sure there are many
MAGIC HAPPENS: Whoa there big fella, Dick Harmon wasn't advancing an opinion or
commencing a subjective discourse. He was simply reiterating facts, i.e.,
numbers that were printed in the Wall Street Journal about two weeks ago. As a
reminder, the Deseret News is a cooperate entity of the LDS Church's legal
corporate arm, as is BYU. Harmon works for the Deseret News ---- see where this
is going? So it really is okay to, as you say "prop up BYU", in fact
I would go so far as to say, it is expected.
@magic happensYou realize this was from an article in the Wall
Street Journal? This wasn't something Harmon just dreamed up. But Harmon's job
is to cover BYU so passing along, and enhancing, info about BYU put out by the
national media is part of his job. Plus BYU fans enjoy reading it and knowing
facts like these. It is simply fun.If you don't care for it then
don't read it. It sounds like you are jealous of the coverage BYU gets but that
is reflective of the size of the fanbase of each school. BYU's is much larger
and so articles about BYU sell papers. That is just basic economics. If utah's
"fan"base was large enough to warrant the kind of coverage BYU's gets
then I have no doubt they would get it. It appears they aren't. Pity.
Ares and Aggiejump please reread the article. Your comments don't coincide with
the article at all. They had to be graduate assistants. Magichappens those moves took place at BYU last year. Now it is Utah's time.
Please stay up-to-date on what is happening in Utah. Don't count Norm Chow as
only a Utah assistant, he was that at BYU also. Come on guys if you
are going to comment at least read the article and pay attention to what it
Mike Holmgren and Brian Billick are two other names that come to mind. They're
not currently coaching but former Superbowl winning coaches that also went
through the BYU pipeline. And they both very well may be NFL coaches again soon.
As giantfan pointed out, Holmgren and Billick are both Superbowl winners and
Reid also took his team to the Superbowl. To be fair former ute George Seifert
won a Superbowl as coach of the 49ers. Not bad at all.
Courgarblue you need to re-read the article and see that the WSJ qualified the
coaches as coming from the undergraduate ranks. In other words former players.
Dick expanded the numbers by including those from the graduate assistant to show
that there are many that come from that pipeline as well.My prior
post listed Aggie former players who went on to coachIf I add grad
assistantsPaul Rhoads - Head Coach Iowa StateMark Criner-
Def-Coordinator IdahoTom McMahan- Rams Assistant CoachThose come to
mind off the batIf one were to expand to former assistants who went
on to ascend to a head coachGary Patterson- TCUBrian Billick -
Baltimore (was at USU in 1988-90)Rod Marinelli- LionsJim Zorn-
Washington RedskinsDeWayne Walker- New Mexico State(was at USU 92-93)And othersAgain ton of talent that has coached at Utah schools
Here are some past names of head coaches that have come through the BYU football
program:Bart Andrus, Rocky Mountain College, 1996; Amsterdam Admirals,
2001Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens, 1999-2007Gary Buer, Dakota
State, 1977-78; Southwest State, 1979-92, Southern Virginia, 2003Norm
Chow, Hawaii, 2012-presentJim Criner, Boise State, 1976-82; Iowa State,
1983-86Gary Crowton, Lousiana Tech, 1996-98Wally English, Tulane,
1983-84Garth Hall, Idaho State, 1988-91Tom Holmoe, California,
1997-2001Gordon Hudson, Utah Catzz, 1998Duke Iverson, W.Oregon,
1987-87, 2001; Western State 1988-2000Land Jacobsen, Wichita Stealth,
2001-2002Dave Kragthorpe, Idaho State, 1980-82; Oregon State, 1985-1990Jim Lind, Minnesota-Morris, 1983-86; Wisconsin- Eau Claire, 1987-91Dennis Miller, Northern State, 1986-97; Wisconsin Lutheran, 2000Wally
Nalder, Weber State, 1962-64Dwain Painter, Northern Arizona, 1979-81Jim Paronto, Mesa State, 1990-93John Payne, Saskatchewan Roughriders,
1973-76Doug Scovil, San Diego State, 1981-85Todd Shell, San Jose
Sabercats, 1995-98Mike Sheppard, Long Beach State; New Mexico,
1987-1991Ted Tollner, USC, 1983-86; San Diego State, 1994-2001