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Published: Wednesday, Jan. 4 2012 8:11 p.m. MST

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Ares
Cottonwood Heights, UT

All great coaches, but I think Utah has had better and more great coaches than BYU has. If you think BYU, all you would think of would be LaVell Edwards (some would also argue Bronco, but he hasn't taken the program to the next step and has done terrible against Utah). When you think Utah (I'll even limit it to the past decade), you would think Ron McBride, Urban Meyer AND Kyle Whittingham. 3/3.

Just my opinion, let's see how many Cougar fans comment back to me, it will be fun.

AK Cougar
Palmer, AK

Actually, when I think of BYU and great coaches the U never even crosses my mind. It takes a reminder from someone like Ares above to remind everyone of the U's coaches. No articles written but only comments from BYU's under the bridge crowd.

USNGary
South Jordan, UT

Did you not read the article? it was about people who attended BYU and became coaches. I don't think any of those ATTENDED utah...

Pipes
Salt Lake City, UT

The great coaches from the U came from BYU, namely Kyle Whittingham and Kilani Sitake.
Urban Meyer just used the U as a stepping stone for bigger and better things.
When you compare the 3 "great" coaches mentioned by Ares to LaVell Edwards, it's not even close. Coach Edwards is a legend, pure, plain and simple!!!!

FaifeauSam
Lehi, UT

Great article, but could it be expanded to coaches in the high schools? Also include Southern Utah and Utah State as hot-beds of coaches who have gone on in the profession. It might be a daunting task to research that list, but it would show the value of the programs at Cedar City and Logan. Just curious.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Sorry, Ares, you may have credit for HAVING Whitingham and Meyer, but not for having PRODUCED them.

While I will concede that Kyle may have a slight edge over Bronco, due to his BCS victory and current head to head competition, I'll debate (gentlemanly, not smack please) Ron McBride's position comparitive to Bronco. And Kyle has proven himself to be excellentat implementing changes mid game to alter the outcome. Still not impressed with his failure to coach his team against vastly inferrior opponents like Colorado and UNLV, but he sure took BYU to the woodshed. Ought not to treat your alam mater that way...

And by the way, using as a major measure of success an individuals record against Utah is a bit ego-centric. Again, it makes the Colorado coach, as well as others, geniuses when the over all record doesn't bear that out.

Magic Happens
Kaysville, UT

No one can question that LaVell helped a number of his assistants onto the coaching career path, and many have become very successful at it. Congratulations to them. However the timing of this article is consistent with both the D News and D Harmons efforts to continually prop up BYU when faced with advancements both on and off the field for their rival Utah. We have all read, more so on the other daily SLC paper than this one, the movement of and interest in Utah assistant coaches as the season ended while there has been no mention of such for BYU and its staff. And with the number of resources committed to covering BYU sports vs. coverage for Utah, if there was any serious interest in BYU coaches it would be front page. I also suspect that if the numbers were reversed, no article would have been written. I enjoy articles that point out the successes of both programs, but I can't remember an article that from this paper or author that talked about the the history of coaching advancements. I'm not surprised by Mr. Harmons bias, after all it is his job to promote all things BYU, but I would hope for more balance from the sports editor of this paper, but alas the disappointment continues and will probably do so. At least it continues to be consistent!

aggiejump
OGDEN, UT

Coaches that have come from the ranks of USU Aggie Football former players over the years:
LaVell Edwards
Chris Pella
Tom Ramage
Chico Canelas
Kent Baer
Donnie Henderson
Wade Harmon
Nate Katzor
Shawn Johnson
Danillo Robinson
Matt Wells
Frank Maile
These are the ones I could think of I am sure there are many others....

Marine Corps Vet
Tempe, AZ

MAGIC HAPPENS: Whoa there big fella, Dick Harmon wasn't advancing an opinion or commencing a subjective discourse. He was simply reiterating facts, i.e., numbers that were printed in the Wall Street Journal about two weeks ago. As a reminder, the Deseret News is a cooperate entity of the LDS Church's legal corporate arm, as is BYU. Harmon works for the Deseret News ---- see where this is going? So it really is okay to, as you say "prop up BYU", in fact I would go so far as to say, it is expected.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@magic happens

You realize this was from an article in the Wall Street Journal? This wasn't something Harmon just dreamed up. But Harmon's job is to cover BYU so passing along, and enhancing, info about BYU put out by the national media is part of his job. Plus BYU fans enjoy reading it and knowing facts like these. It is simply fun.

If you don't care for it then don't read it. It sounds like you are jealous of the coverage BYU gets but that is reflective of the size of the fanbase of each school. BYU's is much larger and so articles about BYU sell papers. That is just basic economics. If utah's "fan"base was large enough to warrant the kind of coverage BYU's gets then I have no doubt they would get it. It appears they aren't. Pity.

CougarBlue
Heber City, UT

Ares and Aggiejump please reread the article. Your comments don't coincide with the article at all. They had to be graduate assistants.

Magichappens those moves took place at BYU last year. Now it is Utah's time. Please stay up-to-date on what is happening in Utah. Don't count Norm Chow as only a Utah assistant, he was that at BYU also.

Come on guys if you are going to comment at least read the article and pay attention to what it says.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Mike Holmgren and Brian Billick are two other names that come to mind. They're not currently coaching but former Superbowl winning coaches that also went through the BYU pipeline. And they both very well may be NFL coaches again soon.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Pretty impressive.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

As giantfan pointed out, Holmgren and Billick are both Superbowl winners and Reid also took his team to the Superbowl. To be fair former ute George Seifert won a Superbowl as coach of the 49ers. Not bad at all.

aggiejump
OGDEN, UT

Courgarblue you need to re-read the article and see that the WSJ qualified the coaches as coming from the undergraduate ranks. In other words former players. Dick expanded the numbers by including those from the graduate assistant to show that there are many that come from that pipeline as well.

My prior post listed Aggie former players who went on to coach

If I add grad assistants

Paul Rhoads - Head Coach Iowa State
Mark Criner- Def-Coordinator Idaho
Tom McMahan- Rams Assistant Coach
Those come to mind off the bat

If one were to expand to former assistants who went on to ascend to a head coach

Gary Patterson- TCU
Brian Billick - Baltimore (was at USU in 1988-90)
Rod Marinelli- Lions
Jim Zorn- Washington Redskins
DeWayne Walker- New Mexico State(was at USU 92-93)
And others

Again ton of talent that has coached at Utah schools

BYU Athletics
PROVO, UT

Here are some past names of head coaches that have come through the BYU football program:
Bart Andrus, Rocky Mountain College, 1996; Amsterdam Admirals, 2001
Brian Billick, Baltimore Ravens, 1999-2007
Gary Buer, Dakota State, 1977-78; Southwest State, 1979-92, Southern Virginia, 2003
Norm Chow, Hawaii, 2012-present
Jim Criner, Boise State, 1976-82; Iowa State, 1983-86
Gary Crowton, Lousiana Tech, 1996-98
Wally English, Tulane, 1983-84
Garth Hall, Idaho State, 1988-91
Tom Holmoe, California, 1997-2001
Gordon Hudson, Utah Catzz, 1998
Duke Iverson, W.Oregon, 1987-87, 2001; Western State 1988-2000
Land Jacobsen, Wichita Stealth, 2001-2002
Dave Kragthorpe, Idaho State, 1980-82; Oregon State, 1985-1990
Jim Lind, Minnesota-Morris, 1983-86; Wisconsin- Eau Claire, 1987-91
Dennis Miller, Northern State, 1986-97; Wisconsin Lutheran, 2000
Wally Nalder, Weber State, 1962-64
Dwain Painter, Northern Arizona, 1979-81
Jim Paronto, Mesa State, 1990-93
John Payne, Saskatchewan Roughriders, 1973-76
Doug Scovil, San Diego State, 1981-85
Todd Shell, San Jose Sabercats, 1995-98
Mike Sheppard, Long Beach State; New Mexico, 1987-1991
Ted Tollner, USC, 1983-86; San Diego State, 1994-2001

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