It would take the real Houdini to get Jefferson to box out and play defense.
Even being hot with 26 against the bucks his poor defense on Gooden (24 pts)
totally canceled him.
@Scalman, after last nights game i'm not so sure Burks couldn't slip in at the 1
spot, he looks good at penetrating and passing it off and seemed to be the best
passer on the court.
Hold your horses here guys,there`s a big,no, huge difference between miles and
Jefferson,first off cj has been in this system for 6 years and still doesn`t get
it.6`6" guys with his talent are a dime a dozen.Jefferson on the other hand
has only been here 1 year,and a bad year at that.He`s young and talented,and
with good coaching will come along,hire a Bill Walton type to work with him,but
you just don`t give up on 6`10" guys with his skill set that easily
Good comments shaybo, although a faster lineup would put Hayward at point,
Burks or CJ at the 2, Howard, Favors and Kanter. A passed ball travels faster
than a fast point guard like Harris and Hayward would make that quick initial
pass to the right teammate most of the time.
Harris is the only choice at 1, so how about Hayward at the 2, Howard at 3,
Favors at 4 and Kanter at 5 for a team that will start the game on an energetic
and hustling pace instead of the plodding, no defense starting lineup that gets
us down by 10 before the others get in. Lets establish that we came to play
before the opposing team gets off to the fast start we've been seeing game after
game. Hayward would play much better in that lineup than the slow
down and feed it to Al lineup we've been starting.
I agree with CJ Miles, actually. People shouldnt rag on CJ. Regardless of your
feelings on him, there are much bigger issues that need to be worked on. And
yeah, CJ bricks shots, misses shots, takes dumb shots, whatever. But at least he
TRIES to score. And he will give you points eventually. Better him then Bell
jackin up stuff. Ideal starters for me would be Favors, Milsap, Howard, Hayward,
Harris. With CJ playing more minutes at the 2 AND 3, and burks getting 15 a game
at the 2. Bring Jefferson of the bench for Milsap, then Kanter in for Favors.
@Jonphone, you don't use your amnesty clause on players that make 3 or 4
million, besides CJ is in the last year of his contract. I would use it on
Jefferson and his 15+ million, then trade Milsap to Sacramento for an unhappy
Cousins. I think Corbin would keep him under control and he would become a
certain all-star. Then you have a 3 man rotation at the 4 and 5 spot of Cousins,
Favors and Kanter. Throw in Burks, Hayward and Evans and 2 probable lottery
picks in a great draft year and you have something to build on, with an extra
15-16 million + the 10.8 mil Memo made and the trade exception to bargain with
they could probably get pretty much any player they need.
A regular Joe could see that as long as Jefferson and Bell are on this team,
there won't be many wins this season. Long term Jefferson will not improve his
mental part of the game to improve his game. Bell is just washed up
period.Favors, Millsap, Harris and CJ need to be the stars for this
team to win. All 4 should be starting now.
@ Ricecakes; Josh Howard tries very hard though, defensively he is the best on
this team, movement wise he is a slasher trying too create something. Jefferson
is one dimensional:shoot,shoot,shoot; no defense period. There is a huge
difference between the two!
Funny stuff....How does CJ hurt a team that can't score? He can score and
create his own shot. The Jazz need CJ worse than CJ needs the Jazz. If you
want to knock him for his fouls thats OK. But at least he is near to ball
guarding someone to foul them. Bell gets blown by and is completely out of the
play. He couldn't foul if he wanted to.CJ is not the problem, Bell
is the problem.
A "W" is a "W," but don't get too excited. Margin of
victory/loss tells far more about a team's future (historically) than their
record does. We've been absolutely obliterated by 3 good teams away and we've
squeaked by 2 bad teams at home. To me that indicates that we're likely to lose
to good teams @ home and bad teams away if things don't change.Priority 1: Bench Bell, play Burks. Bell is a waste of minutes. He produces
nothing on O & gets burned constantly on D. He needs to retire, or at least
be perma-benched. Burks plays substantially better D and at least poses a
threat on O, making it tougher for the opponent's D to double in the post.
Additionally, the minutes will help Burks develop into our 2 of the future.Priority 2: Bench or trade Al. I like Al. I really do. He has a great
attitude and seems like a great guy. But he doesn't play D & his O creates
a massive black hole. If we don't trade him I'd recommend having him come off
the bench to give scoring to the second unit. Let the first unit be mobile.
Pay attention to what Harpering says. He knows what he is talking about.
Everybody is singing a different tune today. Win all at home, lose all away, 500
ball and if in the East in the playoffs. Won't make it in the West.Cobin said: "We're going to use more guys than normal until we get this
figured out in a regular rotation." For that statement I would call him in
and tell him next time I heard it, he was fired. The old days of an 8/9 man
rotation are gone (especially this year). Sloan is gone because he couldn't
adapt to having over 6 players with a little help from a crybaby. Think back to
the Florida road trip last year, the big pre-season and the come backs came from
playing two teams, when the rotation started the losing started. Jefferson,
Miles and Harris will not play consistently unless they get a splinter in their
behind from time to time. Probably Favors also. Kanter is lost and needs a year
in the NDBL.The Jazz can make the playoffs and a run but Corbin has
to have a quick hook or a late nod ie Miles last night.
@ rice cakesI love the addition of Josh Howard, and I think the Jazz
should try and sign him a couple more years if he works out, but I agree that he
shoots it a little too much. I think he is trying so hard to prove himself that
he is a little quick on the trigger. I love his ability to score, get to the
rim, and play defense though. I think over time, his quick trigger finger will
loosen up and he will be a good asset going forward. Jefferson on the other
hand, is a black hole and even worse, he plays no defense.
I think we have 2 ball hogs on the team that look to shoot for themselves first
and pass second. Al Jefferson and Josh Howard. Although I think they both are
potentially good if they would give up the ball occasionally and play Jazz
basketball. I agree about Harpring's announcing--my husband and I always mimic:
"Gotta, gotta, gotta..." that's all he says. I think Ron Boone is a
MUCH BETTER announcer and wish they would put him back. I know everybody likes
Harpring as a former Jazzman and a nice guy, and I do too, but he really lacks
as an announcer.
Corbin thanks for playing your young players a little more. I would have liked
to see Burks in the second half but at least you played him in the first half
and he did well with helping the bench unit change a 5 point hole into a 5 point
lead. It was fun to see Burks, Favors, Kanter, and Howard on the floor at the
same time. I want to see this more to see these guys develop. Although it
wasn't a pretty win it was a win overall and that is what the team needed. Big
test tonight against Bucks with Jennings and other shooters on the Bucks team.
Play Raja Bell around 15 mins or less and give the rest of the mins to Burks and
Miles and see the young guys run up and down the court with some energy. GO
Agree with fortydam's assessment as well.Watching the game, I was
again, amazed at how Jefferson does not look to pass out of a double team. There
were a couple of times we had some players wide-open for a three, but Jefferson
chose to force up a shot instead. His shot went in, but it still was frustrating
to watch.I am very excited about Josh Howard. It is looking like
this was a good signing. Favors is going to be great. I am also excited about
Kanter's game. He goes after the ball. Hope to see more of Burks on this home
Every time this year the second unit has severely outplayed the starters; last
night canter/millsap, favors, howard, burks,and watson. What is it going too
take for the coaching staff too see this; the only good thing about cj and aj
doing well is that their stock will rise a bit so they will trade them! Sit raja
down, use him as a back up if that even.
I gotta agree with fortydam's assement, great win but I'm not sure if it's
sustainable. Jefferson and CJ are going to hurt us in the long run, in my
opinion. They are both such ball hogs that the entire offense grinds to a halt
whenever they touch the ball because everyone else knows they are going to get
their shot off at any cost. Listening to Harpring he seems to see the same
thing, I heard him comment a couple of times on how Jefferson needs to pass more
in certain situations. The defenses seem to have figured this out too, lots of
double teams on AJ because they know he's gonna shoot no matter what. Both of
their defensive efforts are questionable too. Lots of potential on this team, I
just hope these two selfish players don't spoil what could be a suprisingly good
team. Millsap, Hayward, and Favors should be the foundation and we should
be finding the right combination of other players to work with these three.
Just one mans opinion...
Love FortyDam's comments. Spot on.Also loved the short, almost
non-existent, leash that CJ is on. Finally! His 2 bonehead fouls were benchable
offenses. Who fouls 90 ft. from the basket at the buzzer? Answer: CJ.Who
fouls on a transition 3? Answer: Cj.I know the Jazz still have their
amnesty. I'm hoping they use it on either CJ or Raja.Interesting how CJ
didn't get too many minutes in the first half and Raja didn't in the second. I
liked seeing Burks come in where Raja or CJ normally would have.Looks like Corbin is closer to setting the line-up and rotation. Now if the
Jazz could only get Bouler and Harping to give up their broadcasting careers so
we don't have to hear another "Jazz Nation".
The first comment talked about Howard, Favors, Kanter, and Burks. This was in
direct contrast to Jefferson, Harris, Watson, and Miles. There are obvious
factions developing and the future is with the first group. The games so far
have sent out mixed messages. The young players are obviously developing and
putting pressure on the expendable veterans. Harris either shoots or passes to
Jefferson reminiscent of Williams to Boozer. This is a five man game and once
the rock goes to AJ, gravity takes it to the basket with no possibility that it
will ever come back out. Millsap is the people's choice. He is a noteable
exception to the obvious left-over Williams faction. I hope that he stays
around. However, he sure is good trade bait.
Good comments. I agree. It looks like Josh Howard is going to work out well for
us. You've got to love his defensive effort and attitude. I expect him to slide
into the starting 3 spot here shortly with Hayward moving to his natural
position at the 2. However Burks could give Hayward some competition there. Good
effort last night! Go Jazz!
Al Jefferson will still be the achilles heel of this team. Miles is a close
second. AJ cannot and will not play defense, last night he was blessed with an
aging caveman that didn't want to mix it up because he is old, and played the
night before. CJ did the usual CJ thing, lets see if he can do it consistently.
Millsap was a little undersized against that lineup, but he did a lot of little
things that helped them stay in the game. The biggest unseen players of the
night was the defensive work of Kanter,Favors, and Howard. These guys set hard
screens on offense, and bodied up everyone that came inside. Heyward continues
to hesitate and back his dribble out, he was doing so well last year attacking
the hoop. I see a very bright future for Kanter, Favors, and Burks
on this team. Howard could return to his all star status with the minutes Corbin
is giving him. If this team plays the young guys, and gets into the lottery
which is packed with impact players, we could have the nucleus of a very tough
team. I still think the Jazz would be better off dealing AJ while he is in his
prime, for a established two guard. I don't think Miles or Bell will ever be
intimating enough to get respect from other teams. Eventually without an outside
shot, the Jazz will face teams collapsing on Jefferson. His inability to pass or
play defense will be evident against better teams.
Josh Howard has been surprisingly good on the defensive end of the floor.
Hopefully his effort on defense will cause the rest of the team to have some
effort on defense as well.
Good effort defensively down the stretch. The Jazz were taking charges, had
active hands, and played with intensity. They did not beat a great team, but
the Hornets are decent, and any win is a good win when you have a young roster
like the Jazz do. With a lot of home games coming up, the Jazz have a good
opportunity to get some wins.
This was a good win and just what was needed by this team even though it was
another marginal growing pain type of a win. Nothing outstanding, but a win and
good minutes for almost everyone. I am really impressed with a few players and
look forward to their play as the season progresses. That is Howard, Favors,
Kanter, and Burks. With Jefferson, Harris, Watson and Miles I don't see their
ceilings rising, but hopefully their consistency is there 90% of the time. In
another 2 to 3 weeks everyone but Evans and Tinsley should be NBA fit to play if
the playing time is distributed like last night, and that will pay big dividends
as the season progresses from there. Coach will then be able to go on a nightly
basis with who's playing well each night and not suffer any downgrading. I have
followed the Jazz since they moved here and have never seen this much quality
depth. Good luck men.