Re: Riverton Cougar Actually SC has the most with 31. And also has
most BCS wins.
"And the biggest thing you have to remember is that yo are not resorting to
faulty logic, Utah is better then THEM all."I rest my case.
Utah is clearly the best football team to ever exist, and you have helped me see
@mlh well said well said
@Riverton CougarThe world of NCAA Athletics does not rotate around
byu. Your comments are so one sided that you forget to think of what you are
saying. Playing on Sunday is not an issue with Utah, they have teams that have
been doing it now for quite sometime. Come on Buddy, you guys beat USU we beat
you by 44 pts. The Vegas game was 5 years ago, that's 5 bowl games (One being a
BCS game). And the biggest thing you have to remember is that yo are not
resorting to faulty logic, Utah is better then THEM all. The Big
East and Big 12 ended up not wanting BYU, nobody does. You guys have your own
rules and that is great but don't complain that you have been kicked out of the
sand pile. The conferences and schools that you want to be like also have thier
own rules, and we all know that byu does not play well with others. If they had
they wouldn't be in the situation that they are. Football you're nobody playing
for nothing, YEA INDY. There is absolutly no-way byu beats the U next year, I
I notice motorbike isn't here calling out all of the utah trolls. Oh I am
positive he has read all the comments on this thread, he just uses his crimson
colored glasses to either filter them all out or else they help him to read them
all as classy compliments toward BYU.LOL!
It is so funny, 3/4 of the comments are by ute fans that are BYU haters and
their comments prove it. Sad scenario. Inferiority complex for sure.
"Whitt has never lost to Utah State."They would have if
they played USU last year, and they could lose this year. Besides, USU is
better than UNLV, and BYU didn't get shutout."Easy. The one
with 2 BCS bowl trophies who was "Fully Invited" to the cougars' first
choice of conferences.'Wow, after seeing those BCS bowl trophies,
people start wondering why anyone would want a national championship! And Utah
was "fully invited" on the PAC's terms, and Utah has admitted that
they're too afraid to try to negotiate their own terms (such as Sunday play).
Why? Because they aren't in a position to. BYU is, or else the Big East and
Big 12 would have shut down BYU without even agreeing to negotiate and discuss
the options."You're right about byu never losing to a 2-10
team. They only lost to a WINLESS team (the year after winning a "national
championship") -- See UTEP 1985."Don't expect to join the
game at half time and play. We were talking about the current coaches (i.e.
Wittingham and Mendenhall). The only time Bronco played UTEP, they had a
winning record and BYU beat them 52-24."Now, it's noted, time
and time again, that Utah has the highest postseason winning percentage among
all FBS teams who have played in at least 10 postseason games."So clearly, since Utah has a better bowl winning percentage than Oregon, USC,
Notre Dame, Stanford, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, etc.,
they are better than them all! Is that right, or am I resorting to faulty
Too many posters here are over-glorifying the past. If you go back and check the
past 30+ seasons (I did), BYU is as good today as they ever have been.It is true that BYU had many signature wins under Lavell, but they were spread
out over many seasons. The doubters are judging the current team under the
compression of time that occurs in memory. Bronco's teams have actually had
proportionately as many signature wins (Oklahoma, Oregon bowl, Oregon State
bowl, tougher Utah wins) for the comparatively shorter duration.A
lot of the criticism of Bronco is frustration by BYU fans because his tenure has
coincided with the ascension of TCU and Utah. But the truth is that for 2011 BYU
actually finished with a higher ranking than Utah in every single poll, most
notably the highly respected Sagarin computer rating. Thus, despite the blowout
loss, every significant analyst and computer program ranked BYU's 2011 body of
work higher than Utah's. Everybody rails on BYU's weak schedule, but
it's curious to note that BYU had essentially the same SOS as TCU - who finished
11-2 and #20(Sag). More significantly, had BYU had some decent special-teams
play in the TCU game, they likely would have finished the season with TCU's
ranking.This was a good 10-3 BYU team - as good as any of LaVell's
10-3 teams. They are an excellent young team with a great future.
Papa Smurf UTE:I wouldn't call the Indy-WACers "lapdogs".
I see them more as one of those stray dogs that nobody wanted.
Hypes must NOT have thought very much of BYU's continuing march towards
Irrelevance. Before Y fans chirp about how he didn't have a strong
work ethic, he felt entitled, or sought more playing time, remember that he left
all things familiar (coaches, players, school, offense, etc.) to redshirt a year
for a 2-10 BCS bottom feeder that went 0-9 in conference play. He could have
stayed at BYU and sat out a year, but built upon what he already had done for
the last 2 years. Instead, he thought the program wasn't worth sticking around
for.Fun fact: Ga Tech beat KS 66-24
@ SportsFan" it's hard to lose to the Aggies when you're too
scared to schedule them anymore".Utah will start playing Utah
State this year for the next four years. Check the facts before you open your
mouth and make a fool out of yourself. Utah will soon be playing one
Big Ten team a year. What makes the Utes scared to play the Aggies when they
haven't beaten us since 1997?
crowntown1,Very well said.Football powerhouses all have
one thing in common: They give their fans what they want- winning seasons
against good teams, with conference championships every now and then, and a BCS
bowl as much as you can. Now, this is virtually impossible for BYU, for exposure
was more important to them. Yes, the exposure Friday afternoons on workdays and
Saturday nights at 8 pm, and also the byutv to expose the team to just more
LDS.Nice job, Tommy. Since I'm a Ute fan, you can stay. If I were a
BYU fan, I'd want you out of there. You, Bronco and Doman for sure.
I think the question is for BYU fans is what exactly are your expectations? Are
they to win a NC? or go to a BCS bowl? YOu guys will never have the athletes to
compete for a title. It doesn't matter who the QB is or maybe the better talent
at WR there are just too many missing peices in that puzzle to have a BCS or NC
season. Sure you can have a good season but 3/4 of the season was against bad
teams. So I am trying to understand the comments by some of the BYU fans on here
because I feel they are way to high. I think some of you are happy about the
season and then some of you feel disappointed . . ? You went 10-3? Smile! That's
Pugman, Byu is someones lap dog. They are the mighty bcs's lap dog.
If they did not care about the bcs, or making it to a bcs game, they would do
away with sports like BYU Idaho did. They want a seat at the bcs table, but they
cannot have one. They are not in the Big 12, or the Big East, not because they
dont want to be someones lap dog, because they think they are better than
everyone else, and they think they are the top dog. With the schedule that the Y
has, even in 2013 after they are done with their WAC contract, they still will
have games against the patty cake teams of college football world. The fact
remains that under Roscoe and the current coaching staff the Y cannot beat the
upper echelon teams of college football. Their biggest win was against Oklahoma
when they were in a down year, and were a middle of the pack Big 12 team. Other
than 2008, Bronco and his teams come out of the gate slow, lose 2 or some games
out of their first 3-4, they will have nothing to play for from there on
I think BYU will be pretty good next year. Their defense is really good. The
offense will be ... unpredictable. Will Riley stay healthy? Will the new kid
from Stanford push him out? Will Doman continue the upward trajectory? Can they
will all of those tough road games?I can see another 10-win year. I
think they will be better than they were this year.
@ Riverton CougYou're right about byu never losing to a 2-10 team.
They only lost to a WINLESS team (the year after winning a "national
championship") -- See UTEP 1985.
Riverton Cougar:"Yet with 7 attempts at a perfect season, Utah
still has none. Now tell me, which team is more relevant?"Easy.
The one with 2 BCS bowl trophies who was "Fully Invited" to the
cougars' first choice of conferences. Back when Utah was a member
of the MWC, it was oft repeated by sports broadcasters that UTAH was the
winningest non-AQ team vs. schools from BCS conferences amid the BCS era.
Nobody has ever said that about the cougars. And why would they? The cougars
are simply less relevant. Now that Utah is in the Pac-12, sports
broadcasters no longer make that comparison. TCU now holds that title...at
least until next season when they finally pass that torch to Navy. Now, it's
noted, time and time again, that Utah has the highest postseason winning
percentage among all FBS teams who have played in at least 10 postseason games.
And of course, nobody ever mentions the cougars when talking about postseason
success. With a sub-.500 postseason record, it simply isn't worth mentioning.
The cougars are simply less relevant. And that's why they played in the 4th
worst bowl game of 2011.
@Naval Vet. "Jealous Cougs"? And who's article are you comenting on?
I think you just defined jealousy.The Cougars won 10 games, Holmoe
thinks it is a good season and many Cougar fans are looking forward to better
schedules in future years. I am happy with independance. Better teams in future
years. Oh, about playing Utah if the PAC goes against the Big 10.
Good, then the schedule is more open to playing exciting football teams. When
Cougar fans read these boards they (hopefully) do not have to read anti Cougar
rants from the under the bridge club. Good Riddance. Time for the
Football team to work out, bulk up and bigger and stronger for next years
"The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their history"Sounds impressive, until you dig a little deeper to discover that...5 of Utah's 7 undefeated seasons came during the leather helmet era when
Utah barely played what is considered half a season by today's standards:1926 7-01928 5-0-2, SHUT OUT by BYU, 0-0; TIED by Creighton 7-71929 7-01930 8-01940 6-0-2, TIED by BYU, 6-6; SHUT OUT by Denver,
@P12Bronco is undefeated against the perennial bottom dwellers of
the MWC.Kyle has lost to every one of them - Wyoming, CSU, New
Mexico, and that humiliating shutout to UNLV(2-10) 0-27.Bronco has
never lost to a 10-loss team; Kyle has lost to them twice.btw, it's
hard to lose to the Aggies when you're too scared to schedule them anymore.
@ Riverton Cougar"if Utah has passes BYU, wouldn't they have
more 10-win seasons? Wouldn't Wittingham have a better record than
Bronco?"That is easy to do when you play a bunch of nobody's.
I'll secede that Utah has been better at winning the big games, but
Bronco has never been shut out by UNLV, nor has BYU lost to a team with a 2-10
record at the time".Whitt has never lost to Utah State.
"The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their history; the cougars
only had 1."And with only 1 undefeated season, BYU got a
national championship. Yet with 7 attempts at a perfect season, Utah still has
none. Now tell me, which team is more relevant?
Riverton Cougar:The Utes have 7 undefeated football seasons in their
history; the cougars only had 1. True, none Utah's perfect seasons were
accomplished while we were in the WAC, but 2 were done while in the MWC...where
I might add, the cougars had never finished undefeated. No wonder you all
decided to "quit" and move back to the WAC. And since BSU moved out,
you saw the opportunity to finally achieve what Utah, Boise St, TCU, and Hawai'i
have all done 7 times within the past 9 yrs. Jealous cougs.
Pavalova:"The U could never schedule anyone with the short
notice BYU had, nor end up in a bowl game."Really? You don't
think the U could have lined up a schedule chocked full with the worst teams in
the WAC? How could we NOT? How could ANY D-1 team not? We might have even
done better.You don't think that the team with the winningest bowl
record [as a percentage of games played with at least 10 bowls] couldn't have
worked out a deal with one of the worst bowl games in the postseason? How could
we NOT? The 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes would have MOST LIKELY done better.
Utah's final 5 yrs in the MWC had season records of 8-5, 9-4, 13-0, 10-3, and
10-3. If we can average 10-wins/yr playing a MWC schedule, how could we do any
worse playing a WAC-lite one? Epic fail on your part."Now go
support your b-ball program and show up to a game or two."Okay
Einstein. And why don't you try to MapQuest the distance between Philadelphia
and the Huntsman Center, then get back to me.
Riverton Cougar,"Without ever going undefeated in the WAC, they
managed to move onward. Have they moved onward and upward from
Colorado?"Colorado is in the PAC, not the WAC. Watch your P's
and W's.Check your facts.
"Utah and their fans have moved onward and upward, away from the
WAC."Without ever going undefeated in the WAC, they managed to
move onward. Have they moved onward and upward from Colorado?"Even as a long time BYU fan I have to admit that Utah has past BYU in
football. Utah football will only get better and better as Arizona State did
when it left the WAC."IF you are a BYU fan, you are an
extremely pessimistic one. You rarely, if ever, say anything good about BYU, at
least not recently. Anyway, if Utah has passes BYU, wouldn't they have more
10-win seasons? Wouldn't Wittingham have a better record than Bronco? I'll
secede that Utah has been better at winning the big games, but Bronco has never
been shut out by UNLV, nor has BYU lost to a team with a 2-10 record at the
@ Naval, if you think BYU took a step backward, just glance into the HC and look
at your b-ball program. That's the true definition of backward. The U could
never schedule anyone with the short notice BYU had, nor end up in a bowl game.
BYU will be just fine...even without Heaps. Now go support your
b-ball program and show up to a game or two.
Levin,I remember some great plays to from this year.1.Jake misses the snap, picks the ball up and tries to throw it, only to
fumble again, then does some ninja, monkey, barrel roll over the ball, only to
have Derrick Shelby land on it for a TD. 2. Nelson gets sacked, and VJ
Fehoko runs the ball back for a TD.3. Byu fumbles the ball4. Byu
fumbles the ball again.5. Byu fumbles the ball yet again.6. Juan
Blanco runs through the defense of a deflated Y team that has given up for 2
long TD runs. The Y's defense would have worn out had they actually
played some real teams after the Utah game. The only game that was against legit
competition after the Utah game was against TCU. The D gave up in the Utah game,
and would ahve given up in other games, but they were so easy, the backups got
to play most of the game.
I like Tom. We were in several study groups together in college. So I have to
defend him. ;-)He gets very high marks in my book for setting up the
independent deal with ESPN. Major Coup.But he does have a tendency
of speaking to the media without saying anything.If i were to
speculate, I would guess that Holmoe doesn't really get to call the shots here.
I think that he personally would be willing to make some reasonable concessions
to get into a BCS conf, but I think the Board of Trustees and President are
driving a harder line when it comes to BYUTv and broadcasting rights. The Big 12
deal didn't really get off the ground because of the Sunday play issue. It was
just too much trouble for the Big 12 to rearrange schedules just for 1 school.
And with the Big 12 it was all major sports or nothing. The Big East didn't have
much to offer except for a shot at a BCS Bowl game, which doesn't seem to be all
that important to the BOT. Sorry fans. that is just the way it is.
Hellllo, No one is complaining about the UTES schedule, because all
of the teams the UTES played, including Montana State could easily beat &
most likely murder everyone on the Y's schedule except for Texas, and TCU. Other
than those teams, you didn't play a single good team. You and Tulsa were exactly
alike. The UTES, when they had their starting QB in the lineup competed with,
and almost beat USC on the road, and they were beating Washington before he got
hurt. I am not saying that we would have won that game, or the others that we
lost, but there would have been a much greater chance. Heaps would have dont the
same thing Riley did against the teams you played. The only game Riley won for
you that Heaps would not have was the Utah St game. No one is complaining about
the UTES schedule, because it was about 70 points harder in strength of schedule
than the Y's was.
Mountanman asked "First point: Another independant football school, Notre
Dame has won 13 national championships so far! So, tell us again why BYU could
never win another NC?"Notre Dame hasn't won a title since 1988!!!
Why is that? Because the days of easy NC's are over. There is more scrutiny on
college football (probably taking the fun out of it). Today the benchmark is
"you need to be an SEC school", or play a schedule worthy of the
SEC.Can BYU win another NC? Sure. But they need to be more like
Notre Dame.Notre Dame played 10 BCS teams this year. BYU played just 4.
Four!!Sure, the move to independence means scrambling to fill the
schedule, but BYU must schedule mostly BCS opponents to get national respect and
a shot at the title.
Brave Sir Robin | 11:11 a.m. Jan. 3, 2012 San Diego, CA I
agree whole-heartedly with where you live, not much else."BYU
refused to make concessions."This may be true. I can live with
that."BYU thought they could push around a major conference on
the basis of their history and reputation..."No, pushing around
is a harsh way to say standing for the things you believe in. No Sunday play?
Sorry, non-negotiable, at least for BYU. Television rights? Hmmmm, now that IS
interesting. Ankle-biters say NO team keeps their television rights from the
conference, I think BYU sees this as a trend of the future.Pushing
around? No.Non-negotiable? We'll see if this is a concession BYU
should have made or not, but the answer will take years, not hours, to become
obvious."...which apparently isn't as fearsome as they
originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of
fact."Conjecture, not fact. But if you like, you could admit
that for the first year of independence, BYU's schedule, record and bowl game
were all better than the ankle-biters originally predicted.
With the exception of the TCU, Texas and Utah games, this was a great year.Looking forward to next year already.
patriot says "BYU could have had the opportunity to join the BIG 12
(according to ESPN) but talks fell through when the home TV contract came
up."About a month ago, in a Deseret News article, Tom Holmoe
said there was never an invitation from the Big 12, and talks never got to the
point of discussing television contracts "contrary to what some are
reporting" (i.e. ESPN).
This was a good year. Yes, no big wins over the rival and good teams, but was
a good year at 10-3. Nelson was and is the Man. BYU was too slow in making
that change, but they changed when they had to and it saved a bad loss. There
were no losses against bad teams. BYU blew it again the Utes but hopefully they
will have their day next fall. The exposure is good on TV, it is hard to forgot
the days of missing games and the feeling of going back in time having to listen
to the radio. This from a true fan, blue through and through.
With all due respect (which aint much) to anyone in St. George, Cottonwood
Heights or Cedar Hills, you don't have a dog in this fight. You people have no
clue about the character, ability, and professionalism of Tom Holmoe or men like
him. Nevertheless, thanks for proving everyone's point both in and outside of
the State of Utah that BYU is nationally relevant.
re:Riverton CougarUtah is vastly different today than a decade ago
when it was playing all those WAC teams. Even as a long time BYU fan I have to
admit that Utah has past BYU in football. Utah football will only get better and
better as Arizona State did when it left the WAC. BYU is in a tough spot
recruiting wise since any blue chip Utah recruit will opt for Utah now being
that they get to play in the PAC 12 AND play close to home. BYU has to change -
and fast. Staying independent is going to kill the football program eventually.
BYU could have had the opportunity to join the BIG 12 (according to ESPN) but
talks fell through when the home TV contract came up. How dumb is that? Would
you rather watch BYU play Idaho on ESPN or get to see BYU play Oklahoma? It's
almost as if BYU is afraid to join up with a conference that it can't dominate
which again is really dumb.
@ Riverton Cougar"Funny that so many Ute fans are laughing at
the fact that BYU got a 10-win season by beating up on WAC teams. How often did
Utah get 10 wins or more playing a WAC schedule? After all, they were in the WAC
for many years. Since the Utes are so much better than BYU, and since BYU has
many 10+ win seasons, surely Utah must have numerous 10+ win seasons from all
the years they were in the WAC!"How many times has BYU been to
the BCS playing WAC teams? At least Utah's been their twice and finish ranked in
the top 5 capping undefeated seasons. 10 win seasons mean nothing other than
putting your Indy.500 team in a below average bowl game.
Goodness, to Brave Robin and all the other Ute trolls: as best as I could tell
from all the Big XII local newspapers and what was stated by BYU, the only
exception BYU did not make was the Sunday play, which as EVERYONE knows, will
never be allowed. Fox tv said that they did not want the Cougs if they would
not play on Sunday as it might upset future tv scheduling. That was it. You
think they wanted TCU and WVU because of all their fans, their huge stadiums and
their other issues? no, it was because they had to have 10 teams due to the tv
contract and the tv people said no to BYU. If the Big XII goes to 12 or more
teams in the future, then we'll see if the tv people feel the same way or not.
I agree that it wasn't one of those really great seasons but you're out in left
field if you can't admit that it turned out to be a good one. A hard-fought bowl
win against a respectable opponent most certainly boosts it from
"average" to "good" in my book. Most of the local sports
columnists were predicting a 8-5 or 9-4 season, so this team exceeded
expectations of the non-blue-goggled. A one point loss to Texas at Texas is no
shame and if we'd had the kicking game we had against Tulsa then TCU would have
been close as well. The loss to Utah was the only major
disappointment. We seem to suffer a blowout every year. IMO that's the only
major thing that clearly needs fixing but it is indeed a major one.If Heaps was mishandled it was in promoting him to starter too soon. He
shouldn't have even been in the mix as a freshman and that, IMHO, is the major
lesson to be learned. And while Doman clearly had a steep learning curve as OC,
it *was* poor play that got Heaps benched.The comments about the
schedule and playing easy teams could be applied to *any* season. The only real
difference between this year and the past is that all the easy games came in
November. The WAC bottom dwellers were no different from those of the MWC and
the schedule taken as a whole wasn't much different than usual. Even without a
conference, after years one and two the schedule promises to be better than it's
ever been.Opposing fans have been commenting on the quality of BYUtv
broadcasts. Maybe the rest of the sports world just needs some time to see what
it is we're trying to protect by "being difficult." If we keep winning
we'll get in a great conference when the time is right. Here's to some great
Riverton Cougar:Utah and their fans have moved onward and upward,
away from the WAC. You moved back in. THAT's what's so funny.
Funny that so many Ute fans are laughing at the fact that BYU got a 10-win
season by beating up on WAC teams. How often did Utah get 10 wins or more
playing a WAC schedule? After all, they were in the WAC for many years. Since
the Utes are so much better than BYU, and since BYU has many 10+ win seasons,
surely Utah must have numerous 10+ win seasons from all the years they were in
@PugmanI actually agree with what you're saying. BYU doesn't make
exceptions, it's their way or no way, and they aren't anyone's lapdog. But if
you aren't willing to play nicely with the other kids, it can have a
less-than-desireable outcome (like going from Big12 expansion target to not
being one, for instance).That's great if you want your school to dig
in its heels - I've got no issues with that. But then you forfeit your right to
be outraged when nobody else will put up with it. Don't expect to be a stick in
the mid and have everyone else like it.FYI, the drum & feather
debate at Utah was internal...it had nothing to do with the conference. And the
U just announced they're keeping the drum & feather on their Twitter account
about an hour ago.
I'm pleased with this season too. Not elated. Not pumped. Just pleased. I'll
remember a lot of plays from this season. Some candidates.1. Van
Noy's forced fumble and recovery for TD against Ole Miss.2. The final
drive against USU (aka Riley plays "500" with his receivers)3.
Hoffman's downfield block against UCF, springing DiLuigi for a TD.4.
Riley's 2 point conversion against TCU, including the high five to the line
judge.5. Riley scrambles, Reynolds blocks, Hoffman catches and dives for
the TD.6. The fake spike.One thing about this team, and maybe
about this program is becoming that the defense will keep BYU in games. I was
worried at the beginning of the year that they would wear out, and they didn't.
They were dependable to the end.
Truth is--moving to independence is a non-trivial task. BYU had a soft
schedule--but did not have much time to put one together. BYU's football
schedule gets more difficult from year to year.I believe 10-3 with a
nice last-minute win in their bowl game is a tremendous accomplishment,
especially if you consider how badly Doman was as OC this year. He's lucky
Riley bailed him out. But that's what teammates do--bail each other out. And
the composure behind the last BYU drive of the year in the bowl
game--impressive.Congratulations on a great season, BYU.
Eastcoastcoug,BYU only played one football game on BYUtv all season (two
if you count the Oregon State Game which wouldn't have been broadcast at all
otherwise). All of the other home games were on an ESPN channel. Even non-LDS
can watch BYUtv, since it is already available on most basic cable packages
nationwide, and can also be enjoyed on-line the BYUtv website. I'm sure you
have your own standard for what entails "exposure", but you can't
argue that their exposure isn't better as a result of going independent than it
was in the MWC.
"In hindsight, it went well," Holmoe said"What went
well?? You get left out of the BIG 12, the PAC 12, the BIG East and you lose
your best QB prospect to Kansas. You play a bunch of barely Div 1 teams at home
this year and you have to suffer through another year of having a running QB
that can't throw the ball. Is recruiting better now? Is BYU's chances of being
in a BCS conference better now? What exactly went well????
Wayne Rout:"Next year will be a disaster if nothing
changes."Not so Wayne. Nothing WILL change. The cougars will
continue to play a WAC-lite schedule, and win all those cupcake games. That's
not considered a disaster by coaches like Lance Reynolds, who proclaimed
proudly, "Winning 10 games is a very hard thing to do. It is a great
accomplishment for any football team." Even the fans, like "Y Grad /
Y Dad" watched the cougars take down all those WAC teams, and win the Idaho
"state championship" and say, "I look at the first year,
and...I'm pleased." He's "PLEASED"! Pleased to beat up on a
bunch of nobodies, just as long as they get 10-wins. And Bronco and Holmoe KNOW
this. So why would anything change?If the cougars
"changed" their model -- which Bronco himself stated, "the model
has been set" -- in response to Hawai'i backing in to the BCS back in
2007-08 -- then that would mean fewer than 10-wins. And THAT would be the
disaster. Cougar fans can't process that. Don't you remember all the excuses
from the prior year's 6-6 [thanks Chad Bunn] season? And how in 2011, Jake
Heaps would take the college football world by storm? Don't you remember all
those comments about how a 1-loss cougar team would for-sure get a BCS bowl
invite? Do you really think the cougars could ever even DREAM of an undefeated
or 1-loss season if anything DOES change? Certainly not. The cougars need to
keep things just as they are: beat up on cupcakes, win 10-games, and blame
religious bigotry for never being worthy of even WATCHING a BCS game, much less
playing in one.
Ever notice how a Utah article has a very few remarks to it one way or the
other, though usually from Utah fans...Yet BYU articles draw the ire of the
deep. Genius type people who have all the answers and the questions. As a fan
and an old coach...you play who you are scheduled to play. You play with who
you have regardless of how they ended up and you work as much as possible to
better both. Athletes at all levels don't always get things the way they like it
or wanted it. That's life too. How many games have I watched this past week in
bowl games where a story was stated about a player who "waited their
turn", "suffered through hardship", to get a chance their senior
year or their fifth year. Life and athletics isn't fair. Someone else gets to
make the decisions. Holmoe does fine, Mendenhall and staff do fine, the
schedule is what it is and all the arm chair complaining isn't going to change
that. Congrats to Utah and BYU for their wins and good luck in the future.
It's interesting to note the amount of trolls who think they know the reason BYU
was not invited to the Big 12. I beleive one said "because they weren't
willing to make exceptions'. BYU dosen't make exceptions, it's their way or no
way...many folks still don't get that. And at the end of the day, you can have
your mighty conference affiliation that will dictate their liberal policies on
your institution...ie; changing your drum and feathers, or you can stick to your
core values and principles...it's up to you. It's obvious what BYU chooses to
do, and it drives many people nuts, because in the end BYU is no ones lap dog.
First point: Another independant football school, Notre Dame has won 13 national
championships so far! So, tell us again why BYU could never win another NC? Of
course they can. The same as ANY other school in any BCS conference. All they
have to do is win all their games, perhaps two years in a row! Second
point: All you who think BYU is irrelavant fail to understand one very important
thing about BYU. There are more important things in life than sports! Shocking
to some, I know but it really is true!
I think Tom has done a good job setting up Year One in such a short amount of
time. His success in procuring a relationship with ESPN as well as 3 years of
bowl games surprised many naysayers. I have really enjoyed being
able to watch the team play this year. And, if they do in fact go to the two
bowls lined up for 2012 and 2013, my hubby and I are getting a babysitter and
going on a road trip! I love my Cougs!
"BYU thought they could push around a major conference on the basis of
their history and reputation, which apparently isn't as fearsome as they
originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of
fact."It's a statement of fact because YOU were in the
meetings, weren't you? Since you know so many "facts" about BYU and
the Big 12 and Big East, why don't you give us more detail on how the meetings
went? Until you can prove that it is actually fact, it IS just smack talk. Y
Grad/Y Dad explained it well with the insurance agent analogy. It seems you
think that Holmoe can't hide any secrets from you.
Holmoe takes the high road when talking about negotiations which frustrates some
BYU fans and confuses the ute fans who don't know what a high road is. If BYU
lowered it academic standards it would be more competitive (look and the Utah
players who didn't qualify), but they have other priorities. Hang in there T.
I can live with these results for Year 1 of Independence (yes, even the loss to
Utah - I don't have to like that one, but I can live with it)...If
Year 5 of Independence (assuming there IS a Year 5) has us right back at the
Armed Forces Bowl after a 9-3 regular season...I might not be so thrilled...I'm
willing to watch and wait.
@texas27"I believe Tom Holmoe should explain why BYU went from
first choice to uninvited."No need to have Tom Holmoe
explain...we already know why. The reason is because BYU refused to make
concessions. BYU thought they could push around a major conference on the basis
of their history and reputation, which apparently isn't as fearsome as they
originally thought. This isn't smack talk - it's just a statement of fact.Unfortunately for BYU fans, Holmoe made the bed and now you guys have to
sleep in it.
Texas AD said BYU was to be invited to the Big 12 before TCU was picked. I
believe Tom Holmoe should explain why BYU went from first choice to uninvited.
He wasn't much of a head coach and I think his performance as an Athletic
Director is less than adequate. BYU has a great head coach and he gets a lot out
of the talent they are able to recruit.His team gives a great effort with few
exceptions. Anyone who's ever participated in sports knows some days you have a
clunker. I don't think the administration provides the proper support which will
eventually cost us a winning coach.
Fan32Fair enough. But let me illustrate the flip side. I am an insurance agent. Sometimes I have unhappy clients because their claim
was denied. They talk in public to my other clients about how bad my company
is. Privacy laws prevent me from telling the other side of the story. But it's
also ethical and good business sense, even though a part of me wants to tell
everyone why it's not my fault. Tom could publicly defend himself
and BYU against decisions made by the big 12 and the big east. Or he can take a
beating from some fans and keep good relations with conferences, because the
changes aren't finished. It's good ethics and good business sense.
Re: Helloo USC lost to Texas?
I think B.Y.U. football will be just fine. Holmoe did the best he could with
the schedule he had to put together and the WAC was the only conference which
allowed us to do so. He even stated that next year is the last year of a WAC
heavy schedule. Two years from now the bowl contracts change and the BCS will
make changes that will effect the coveted AQ status. We have a great contract
with ESPN and they have said that if B.Y.U. wins their games they will have a
seat at the BCS table. Holmoe is well aware that to keep the fans coming to LES
you have to get quality opponents and after next year's WAC schedule we will see
Good to have a quality individual like Mr. Holmoe as the AD. His willingness to
suffer critcism, while just doing a good job is appreciated. Providing the
opportunity for fans to actually watch their team on TV is great. Hope the best
for all the programs, and that as the coaching staff continues to mature more
wins against quality teams occur. It is difficult for teams in this region to
play quality opponents. Notice that even Utah in the mighty PAC-12 had about
the same level of competition. Two good teams USC and Washington, one mediocre
team- the Y and the rest were bad. Its best competition USC lost to Texas which
was the Y's best competition. The Y was 1-1 vs the PAC-12 losing to the very
average Utah team and winning against a poor OSU team on the road. No one that
I have heard is complaining about the U's schedule and yet its winning came
against teams every bit as bad as those the Y won against at the end of the
"For us, it works right now. With everything going on around us, it's
probably a good place to be."Probably... is he not more
confident with his decision? I would expect to hear a "It's the best place
BYU Football: State of the Cougars: might I suggest Maine? Can you get any
farther in the U.S without going to Hawaii? They don't deserve that. No offense
to the good people of Maine. They probably don't want them either.
Ydad/Ygrad. I agree with most of those points. However, the lack of
communication and secrecy just leads to more speculation and bad press. Holmoe
seems to want the bad press. The only real interview he has done was with Greg
Wrubel who is also on the dull. There is nothing wrong with coming clean with
the fans. The long silence episodes just breed discontent and bad press. Hiding
behind the privacy of the church and University is just too easy and happens way
too often. Be upfront, hold regular press conferences and invite everybody. Try
to answer the hard questions and at least look proactive. If anybody needs a top
executive at the AD post, BYU does. We don't have that and the program is slowly
deteriorating because of that.
10-3 is tainted by cupcake wins. The 54-10 blowout defined the season. There
is no reason to crow about anything. We know who the players are who excelled
and made dramatic plays that put the Cougars into the position to pull out
victories. Those are satisfying moments. What we need is a 24/7 coaching
routine of recruiting the best players that can qualify to come to Provo and
abide by the rules. We also need some enthusiastic coaches who exhibit some
emotion during the games. I am weary of Bronco Mendenhall's stoic demeanor at
games. Slow starts in games and road woes trouble me. I do congratulate the
Cougars on a successful season. Riley Nelson's enthusism at QB was infectious
for the entire team and saved the season in my opinion. We owe a lot to him,
the receivers, and defensive playmakers like VanNoy. Go Cougars.
Lots of good points here but also some unanswered questions. I would agree that
BYU failed Jake Heaps and others. When will someone hold this coaching staff
accountable for their many failures from lack of running backs, to bringing the
wrong shoes to a game, to destroying the confidence of a four star recruit over
one off season. I think it is a mistake to blindly give credit for winning ten
games over poor compeition while ignoring the losses against the 3 tougher teams
on the schedule. The over emphasis on walk-ons tells something about recruiting
strategy and skills or the mind set of the coach. It's nice that we have
firesides now, but maybe we need to hold some people's feet to the fire also.
There are some serious problems in the program at the moment. Hopefully they
are being addressed. Next year will be a disaster if nothing changes.
fan32Allow me to attempt a different spin. Tom was a guest at
somebody else's show. A press conference for the bowl people who were gracious
enough to allow BYU to play in a pretty decent bowl our first season of
independence. You don't want to upstage your hosts. You won't to lay low and
be a good guest.But, like a celebrity in the room, the person who
represents BYU attracted the attention anyway.Now, some of your
questions are decent ones. However, there are at least two schools of thought
in negotiations: keep it private, secret, until it is a done deal; or trying to
bring public attention and pressure to bear if you think it will help you get
what you want. Tom obviously subscribes to the first. It is
honorable, and it may in the end prove to be most successful. The Big 12
negotiated in the first. The Big East negotiated in the second. It didn't work
for them, but it sure raised the pressure on Tom and BYU.I look at
the first year, and other than losing to Texas, being humiliated by Utah, and
self-destructing at TCU, I'm pleased.
For the Cougs right now, it doesn't really matter what happens in conference
realignment. If they can manage and continue to schedule some big name schools
and win those games every year, then I believe they will eventually be in the
mix for a BCS bowl and who knows, maybe even in a NC game if they go undefeated.
Now if they do that and still not be invited to the NC game, well then, who
cares? They can still be proud of what they've accomplished. Meantime, the
concern should be, like I've said over and over before, just win, win, and win
some more. That's the only key to gaining national respect and rendering
irrelevant the noxious venom of those who live to hate BYU and what it stands
for no matter what.Go Cougs!
Why does Tom Holmoe continue to hide. He was found at the back of the interview
room and forced to answer questions. A dynamic and progressive AD doesn't act
like that. It is time for BYU to find a dynamic AD and start selling BYU. Quit
hiding behind the vale of the church and the private university and come out and
do interviews and start selling BYU and their great program. Isn't it time for a
After reading that little blurb.......can you say "SUGAR COATED"???!
Hate to say it but BYU has failed to step up under Bronco. Our 10-3 record came
at the hands of some easy teams. "Exposure" under BYUtv means merely
more LDS can watch. Real exposure means winning a BCS bowl game and getting
invited to a conference with TV sets and major markets. I'm not sure where we're
heading at the moment.