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Published: Tuesday, Jan. 3 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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taxingthepoor
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Can we close down the 401k Casino. It has destroyed my retirement, without having any fun in the process.

JoeBlow
Miami Area, Fl

I gamble but don't have a gambling problem
I drink but don't have a drinking problem

And I am the norm.

Yes, we can look at the total numbers with gambling or drinking problems and they seem quite large.

But for the millions who engage in those activities, it is a very small percentage with actual problems.

People constantly tout personal responsibility and accountability, and reducing government interference in our lives unless it involves things we don't like.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I'm not opposed to legal gambling although something seems slimy and immoral about governments encouraging it. I absolutely detest state sponsored lotteries - I'm pretty certain we're headed down the wrong road when States are running their own gambling operations (lotteries)
What I found more disturbing was the article on A3 today where we learned the Obama Administration has awarded 300 million (that we don't have by the way) in "bonus money" to 23 states that identified and enrolled eligible children in Medicaid and CHIP. Way to go states! You have succeeded in addicting more people to welfare! They'll have no sense of self reliance or self worth but they will have extra money to spend in casinos. And you'll get back a portion of that so it's a win all the way around.
Pardon me if I'm not as excited about this nation's prospects as Kathleen Sebelius.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Part of the reason that gambling has become so pervasive is that rather than general revenue enhancements which conservatives hate, states are looking for more revenue and have found a source. Rather than focusing on the general welfare, the states then become predators on their own people. It has become a user fee, much like tolls on highways instead of raising gas taxes so that all will contribute to the building and maintenance of roads and highways. It is a wrong-headed approach and one that deviates from the underlying philosophy of the founding principles. Such is the way of right wing, narcissism approach to government.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Those poor addicts. Lets face facts. The vast majority of people can handle gambling, drinking, drugs, etc... A small amount have personal issues; often exacerbated by their own personality traits.
The fact that hard liquor is available and society is not getting up and drinking whiskey from dusk till dawn shows that the vast majority of people make the right decision even when faced with temptation.
The majority of people do not run to vegas to play or to the border for lottery tickets.
Lets stop making laws for the minority.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

"Today where we learned the Obama Administration has awarded 300 million (that we don't have by the way) in "bonus money" to 23 states that identified and enrolled eligible children in Medicaid and CHIP. Way to go states! You have succeeded in..allowing some poor children medical treatment they wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise..you've succeeded in allowing some poor families enough money to not have to choose between food and health care.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "taxingthepoor | 4:24 a.m." who said you ever had to enter the 401K casino in the first place. If you are that bad at investing you should have either hired it out or else looked into alternative retirement savings methods. Don't blame the market for your bad choices.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@pragmatistforlife: CHIP is a middle class entitlement- I think in some states a family can make close to six figures and qualify so I don't want to hear about "poor kids". Just remember- once the bureaucrats are in charge of your health care (not health insurance) they own you lock, stock, and barrel- and you'll keep voting for them because you don't have any other choice.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Gamblin
g is a pernicious evil that should not be sponsored or even supported by the government. Any State which supports gambling jas sold its soul to the devil for 30 pieces of silver.

Far too many States are addicted to revenue generated from gambling. These States use this money to fund left wing entitlement programs, which just perpetuates the problem.

Gambling States need to realize that gambling results in costs that are much higher than the revenues obtained. The costs of providing law enforcement, fire protection, and sanitation services far outweighs any revenue.

vallejo
saltlake city, utah

Dont make it a Habit?
Ive meet a few that over spend then they loss alot more.
As they return home hear nothing but complaints and even bigger problems.

yeah right
Have a good time Limit your money,
yawn,,but be careful how much a gambler spends!

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

More money is lost, and more lives are ruined from WallStreet and Banks GAMBLING with other people's money than has ever been ruined from "evil" Casinos.

But somehow the Right-Wing cottles WallStreet and Banks, even giving them subsides and hand-outs and calling their gambling "legal", and good.

Now, let's throw in the greed, pride, and control of the Gadianton Robbers.
As I recall, they also turned the laws in their favor....

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I like the Deseret News editorial boards liberal stand on this issue. The taxes that governments receive from casinos look a lot like a bribe. The casinos cannibalize the economy, they create the false impression that one can get something for nothing (a lot of people bought into this with getting big housing loans in a housing bubble), they take advantage of gullible people, they take advantage of gambling addicts and they produce nothing.

But the governments permit it because they get a bribe from the casinos in the form of contributions to the tax coffers. Not quite as slimy as a bribe in the personal bank account, but it still stinks.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Red State pride " your household income can be no greater than 200% of the federal poverty level. For a family of 3, this works out to an annual income of about $31,340, or a monthly income of about $2,612." Wow, that is really rich...and oh so close to to $100,000.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

red state pride | 7:19 a.m. Jan. 3, 2012

Are you also opposed to medicare?
What is the difference between medicare and CHIP/Medicaid?
There are those who are on medicare that are Billionaires/Millionaires
Those on medicare have come no where close to paying in what they are not taking out of the fund.
after maybe 3 months to 2 years all the money the paid into the medicare fund has been paid back.
Everything after that is pure welfare.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Oh ya -- and forgot to mention the legalization of the "Insurance" Corporations form of Gambling.

Gambling against getting in a wreck, getting sick, or dying.....
And lobbying Legislation, Forcing everytone to buy it THEIR "plans" as a business but not considering it gambling.

Again, I shake my head at the Right's continued support of Corporation's legalized and Forced comply to a Companies gambling rackett, whilst demonizing any other form of Chance.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

States have the right and responsibility to limit destructive behavior. We regulate alcohol, tobacco and other harmful substances. Why not tax gambling so that the negative societal consequences are funded among gamblers. They have the "fun" while the rest of us pay for social services for those whose lives are ruined by compulsive gambling. People don't want government interference, but when they are devastated by not wearing motorcycle helmets or gambling away their mortgage payments, they are the first to cry for help.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Did gambling ruin someone's life? Or did someone ruin their life by gambling. Now change out gambling with any other word. People are responsible for their actions, no one else. Choices made by people shape their lives. Gambling is NOT a disease, it won't ruin your life. You however, can ruin your own life with COUNTLESS things.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

Nothing is preventing people from Utah; going to Nevada, and Wyoming to gamble, the negative effects to our state are no less.
What we miss out on; is the money these state receive from Utahans; who go out of state to gamble
Most of those who gamble are not addicts; they are just poor at math.
I do find it interesting that for drug addictions; people go to jail/prison. We force them into court ordered treatment.
It can be argued that gambling; is just as damaging as far as increased crime, suicide, murder, child neglect ect.
I am in most cases opposed to sending people to prison for addiction. Gambling and drugs are both addictive, and the best way to deal with the addiction is treatment.
I just find it interesting the different way we deal with gambling addiction, as opposed to drug addiction.
Mostly this is an argument against sending those who are addicted to drugs to prison; it just does not make good economic, or moral sense to me.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "LDS Liberal | 10:02 a.m." you realize that your beloved Democrats have given just as much, if not more to the Banks and Wall Street than the Republicans have.

Remember George Soros and Warren Buffet, they are some of the people on Wall Street that have done what you claim. They are also leaders of the liberal movement that you love so much.

There are a couple of questions that I would love for you to answer:

First, why is that you refuse to see that Wall Street has purchased the Democrat party?

Second, what has changed under Obama? So far his programs and ideas are the same as Bush's, but only differ in magnitude.

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

Satan's plan was to use force to get people to live righteously. Outlawing vices (gambling, drinking, drugs, prostitution, etc...) emulates this plan. These activities, in and of themselves, harm no one else, except, perhaps, those involved in them. Casino Gambling isn't THAT much different than buying commodity futures. Moderate drinking and pot smoking isn't any riskier than being 100 lbs overweight with high cholesterol. Spending $100 on a woman's concert ticket and her dinner in order to have sex isn't really any different than just giving her the cash directly.

The above shows that outlawing vices really doesn't do any real good.

40 years ago, I asked my mom why she'd spend $400 during a weekend in Vegas instead of doing to San Francisco. She said that she'd end up spending the same amount and having less fun. She fully expected to lose the $400. Sometimes she'd win some and not blow it all. She sometimes one big and came home with the $400 or even more. The bottom line was that it was exciting and entertaining, not trying to get rich.

Sure, states should tax casinos to cover ALL added costs they impose on society. Let people choose.

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