Congrats to Vainuku! Welcome to the Utes! You will love it. Football program
aside (and I agree that it is the best in the state), the U is one of the best
LDS campuses in the world. I loved my pre and post-mission experience at the U.
Great religion classes, found my eternal companion, and loved life (still do)
as a UTE!
Welcome Vaha! You will be a welcome addition to the family!!Go
RE: USNGarySouth Jordan, UT"By the time he gets off his
mission he will not be going to Utah any more. Watch and see"You mean like Jake Murphy? ......Go Utes!!
As Boise State, TCU, Utah, Hawaii and Houston have proven over and over again,
just winning doesn't get you the highest prize. You have to win against quality
opponents. These days you have to be in a quality conference to get such
opponents on your schedule. To win in a quality conference you have to have
quality players. Utah coaches have proven their ability to select
and recruit quality players, with or without stars next to their name.
Remember, John White IV came in as a virtual unknown and has truly proven
himself to be a top notch running back. As I look to the future I see Utah
continuing to play quality opponents which will give quality players more reason
to select Utah over other schools. Utah will also continue to win more than
half of their games against those quality opponents which will bring bowl games
and hopefully a national title one day. That will give even more incentive for
quality players to come to Utah. I don't see a lot of negatives there.
Ducky-You must have LOVED playing the weaklings of the WAC this year
in football. Just win baby!
"Whether or not utah has "an edge" remains to be seen."Is winning 7 out of the last 10 considered having an edge?
@ azjim"and Harline is still open"Burton is
still unblockedand John White IV is still scoring touchdowns
@UU32But I never said anything contrary to any of that. Whether or
not utah has "an edge" remains to be seen. @devlishuteAnd that is all I care about. Just win baby.
Duckhunter - any college football fan knows that Utah is a great place for
football talent. Stanford, Nebraska, Oregon, USC, Cal - they've all made Utah
high school football a priority. Everyone knows if you want to recruit a great
interior lineman - go to Utah. We have great youth football programs, quality
high school football and one of the larger polynesian populations in the
country. Anyone who says Utah or BYU should stop recruiting Utah kids is nuts
(Chris B). LSU flew into town in a private plane to visit Mr. Hines. Cooper
Bateman has teams from the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, etc. etc. etc. all over
him. You know all this.As far a BYU vs. Utah - BYU held the
advantage for years. Now Utah, with its recent success, new facilities, Pac12
affiliation, and Coach Whit - has an edge. This is in general of course. With
the lifelong BYU fan who wants the BYU experience more than anything else - BYU
will always get those guys. But you have to admit - Utah football has never
recruited as well as it has the last few years.
Ducky,"I seldom comment about recruits and pretty much never
speculate on how good any of them will be."Usually you follow
that up with "all you care about is winning."54-10
@williaryWhat is it you want me to refute? I never said anything
about how many recruits each school was getting each year or how good they were.
I do notice you are trying to count langi twice however. LOL!I personally put very little stock in the star ratings. We have evidence
of the arbitrary and overhyped nature of it from both teams just this season. On
the BYU side Jake Heaps, the #1 qb recruit in the nation, never panned out and
transferred. On the utah side langi never saw the field for anything resembling
meaningful action and by all accounts didn't improve a bit this year. As you
yourself told us langi was not just 1, but he was actually 2 of the top recruits
in the state. LOL! And that is why I seldom comment about recruits
and pretty much never speculate on how good any of them will be. Actually the
only instate recruit this year I feel like I can make any sort of educated
evaluation of is Chase Hansen who I have coached, and coached against, for the
last 10 years. He is a stud of an athlete.
And stgtoslcFanaika came out the very next day and said he has not
committed to stanford and still plans to take all of his visits. I personally
have no idea what he will do, but at least according to him he is still
undecided. I suppose we will find out for sure in the next few weeks.
@UU32I said I rarely comment on them and that is true. But if you'll
read my post I'm not making any real comments about what kind of players they
will be in college anyway, none of us know. My post is simply to point out utah
"fan" hypocrisy and inconsistency and really doesn't have anything to
do with the recruits themselves.As I said last year utah
"fans" were telling us utah would no longer be signing many instate
recruits because they aren't good enough and they are now a "national"
program. But now we have utah "fans" bragging about signing more
instate recruits than BYU. So my point is which way do utah "fans"
want it?Are they no longer going to sign very many instate recruits
because they aren't that good or are they going to sign the most instate
recruits and they are good? You can't have it both ways.But as far
as the quality of those individual players are concerned, well I haven't
speculated on it at all. I haven't commented on it at all. Nor will I other than
to say I think are are a lot of good D1 quality recruits here.
To willary and duckhunter, Not going to tell my particular team bias out there
so no one will bash me... That being said. Utah gets the beast Chase Hansen,
BYU gets Hinds. Previously Utah picked up Langi and his predecessor Shakerin.
Byu has picked up lots of good in state talent especially from the Bingham/Alta
area. All in all I'd say it looks pretty equal with maybe a slight edge to Utah.
Now off topic, what ever happened to Alex Hart (the Jordan QB that came from
the Alta program and chose USU) If not for the qb's coming in I'd say he'd be a
great transfer pickup for either BYU or Utah. Other then his small size I'd say
he would be a perfect fit. Moved on the ground like Nelson and threw like the
BYU QB's of old. Definately a playmaker. Why aren't any of these two schools
Good pickup for Utah.
Duckhunter - I thought you didn't speculate or comment about which recruits are
@DuckhunterOne of these times your "facts" will actually
be correct.2011 Recruiting Sites: Top Ranked Utah In-State
RecruitRivals - Matthews (BYU)ESPN - Langi (Utah)Scout -
Langi (Utah)2012 Recruiting Sites: Top Ranked Utah State RecruitRivals - Fanaika (Stanford)ESPN - Afalava (Washington/Nebraska)Scout - Hinds (BYU)By my Utah math count, out of those 6 ranked as
the top in-state recruit over the last 2 years, BYU has 2, Utah has 2. Not
exactly the picture you paint?While we're at it, 2011 Top 10
In-State Utah Recruits:Rivals - 5 to Utah, 3 to BYUESPN - 4 to
Utah, 4 to BYUScout - 7 to BYU, 3 to UtahAnd 2012:Rivals - 4 to Utah, 2 to BYUESPN - 6 to Utah, 1 to BYUScout - 4 to
Utah, 2 to BYUSo to recap, and factually dispute your claims:Both Utah and BYU have picked up the top in-state recruit, just depends
on the site.Utah is getting more of the top in-state talent, this
year and last, not even close.Care to refute those facts?
"if that is true then what we now see is utah's desperation at not getting
all the supposed national recruits you told us they were now going to be getting
so they are settling for instate recruits."This is not true,
either. Utah has had better national success this year than I think they ever
have. Of the 4 four-star recruits, only one of them is from Utah. One from
Texas, one from Nevada and a JUCO from California."But of
course the best recruit in the state is going to BYU, same as last
year."This is not true either. Fanaika was the best recruit in
the state, and he went to Stanford. You got Hinds. Congratulations, he looks
like a stellar defensive player. But BYU was still owned in in-state recruiting
and so far nationally by us as well. And considering we're on the short list of
5 or 6 more four and five star recruits, there's no spin that needs to be put on
it. Those numbers are looking pretty good for the Utah football program....."LOL!"
@ Duckhunter | 3:59 p.m. Jan. 3, 2012 Highland, UT and yet it
It looks like Bluto did not read the article.
@williaryBut of course the best recruit in the state is going to
BYU, same as last year.And in the years BYU signs the larger number
of instate recruits then your spin is that utah signed the "best"
ones. utah "fans" spin is hilarious. Last year at this time utah
"fans" were telling us that there aren't that many good recruits from
this state, that utah would no longer be signing that many kids from utah
because they aren't good enough, if that is true then what we now see is utah's
desperation at not getting all the supposed national recruits you told us they
were now going to be getting so they are settling for instate recruits. There's
no amount of utah spin that can make those numbers look good for the utah
Facts are facts. Utah is winning the in-state battle for football recruits over
BYU, and it's not even close this year.Looking at Rivals, ESPN and
Scout, there are 14 different players listed in the Top 10 in the State of Utah.
Here's how each school is doing with those 14 recruits:Utah - Has
verbal commits from 7 of the 14. BYU - Has verbal commits from 2 of the
14.4 of the 14 have either verballed, or soon will, to out of state
schools, they will not attend either Utah or BYU. This includes Fanaika who
picked Stanford over Utah, and Afalava who is deciding between Washington and
Nebraska. BYU was never in the game with either.Last of the 14 is
Moana Ofahengaue. Still uncommitted, but most sources saying if he stays in
state, it's Utah, not BYU.There's no amount of BYU spin that can
make those numbers look good for the BYU football program.
And BYU is still a better school.
@ azjim,and....Brandon Burton is still unblocked off the edge.
Why am I the BYU fan that has to calm down the other BYU fans? Very odd. I
guess it is because of my love of the ASU and PAC-12 that is only a hair below
my love of the Cougars. The young man chose Utah over BYU. Good for
him. It has happend before and it will happen again. It is ok. It works the
other way too. I hope he has all the success in the world except for the day he
plays the Cougs.There is nothing wrong with going to Utah. Look at
the BYU pedigree in the coaching alone. Not only that 25% of the coaches in the
PAC-12 are from BYU. Though it is hard to count Leach since he only watched
Lavell's game from afar. BYU and Utah are both in a great position moving
forward.Stop trashing the U. It was 54-10! That is not a couple of
missed plays away. The past can't be undone. Trashing on them for losing to CU
when CU lost to Hawaii doesn't count. Utah had redemption from the CU in the
BYU has a nice program but nationally has become the equivelant of Utah State
with more fans. As ESPN's darling, they should be helping BYU get into a real
bowl. It's come down to all or nothing. After their loss to Notre Dame or Utah
next year, they won't be playing for anything again. BYU had their
15 minutes. I hope one day, BYU gets into the Big 12 but for now, BYU will be
losing out on a lot of great recruits.
toosmartforyou, why the bitterness?Yes, the PAC-12 went 2 - 5 but
had two teams in BCS Bowl games.Nearly 50% of your team's games were
against WAC teams so to be fair, let's include both the independent and WAC bowl
games. The combined WAC/Indy bowl record was 1 - 4 (.200) against lower
competition.No the Utes haven't had a Heisman Trophy winner but we
have had the 1st overall pick in the NFL draft. No, Utah hasn't won a NC but if
they could have played the 7th place team in a 10 team conference in a mid-tier
bowl game for the championship they might have a couple of NCs.Beating BYU isn't "the coolest thing since sliced bread", it's
expected. BCS conference teams are expected to beat mid-majors. "Try winning more games"? Playing the 90th most difficult schedule
would certainly put a team in a good position to win more games but no thanks, I
like Utah playing a more difficult schedule in the Conference of Champions.Utah and BYU have gone different directions and we can now cheer for
both programs as they are no longer conference rivals.Congrats on
your bowl win.
toosmartforyou -If you think going 10-3 with that schedule was more
fun than going 8-5 with Utah's schedule then you've definitely picked the right
program to keep rooting for ... and for years and years to come I may add!Not me, I'm far more proud of the Utes and what they accomplished this year.
And how awesome is it to have a good opponent to watch every single week outside
of maybe one?!! Even when Utah loses, the fans still win.
@ 54-10I was willing to just say congratulations to Utah about
winning their bowl game and doing well recruiting but you continue to bring up
an irrelevant game that seems to define everything about Utah. I have news for
you: 54-10 is meaningless to anyone with any concept of a season record. 17-14 is more telling about your program. And for those
like you crowing about how great the PAC 12 is this year, they went 2 - 5 (.288)
in bowl games. The independents were .500. The PAC 10.2 is OVER
RATED and it will be a long time from now that you'll ever see Utah is the Rose
Bowl. I'm not saying it won't happen, but the Rose Bowl isn'y the National
Championship Game either. So no NC for Utah; no Heisman Trophy Winner for Utah;
and a Southern Division chamionship---waaaaaaay in the future. I
base this on the great results of being tied for 6th in the PAC, losing to
Colorado AT HOME, and thinking that beating BYU was the coolest thing since
sliced bread. Everyone knows that is your true priority EVERY year. Big
deal......Try winning more games.
Good choice for a big man...Utes have been turning the likes of his body type
into NFL beef. The maturity of a mission will help, then it's time for tons of
hard work and some fun playing against the Nation's best...If I had those
genetics I would certainly trust them to Kyle and the gang. It will be fun
watching him develop.
Wally, for your 1, I can think of Pouha, Fanene, Gross, Kemoeatu (x2), Soliai
and Beadles off the top of my head. Keisel is a stud, though.
"61coug, haha sorry, my remarks aren't directed at you classy guys, just to
bring some of the haters back down to Earth."No prob. And
re: StGtoSLC | 9:47 a.m. Jan. 2, 2012"I'll listen to your
argument of who is worth a scholarship when I see half a dozen Cougs starting in
the trenches in the NFL."I can think of one and he is hair
obsessed like his team mate Paulallamare: azjim | 11:24 a.m. Jan. 2,
Good for him. You have to support any young man that carefully weighs the
options and makes his OWN decisions. Thats leadership. Obviously his parents
have much to be proud of.Always a Cougar but impressed.
and the beat down continues. First on the field, now with recruits.
By the time he gets off his mission he will not be going to Utah any more.
Watch and see
Duh, to tell you the truth, I don't have too many problems with BYU's program,
and I enjoy civil football x's and o's talk better than smack talk. I watch as
much football as I can, so when I watch BYU, it's not out of an obsessed desire
to see them lose. They definitely are one of the more unique programs at the FBS
level, and I think some of those same limiting factors you mention are also
becoming strengths for them. I think many LDS families are becoming much more
avid sports enthusiasts and BYU is generally the top choice for out-of-state LDS
recruits. It will be very interesting in the coming years to see how the
respective directions the two programs are headed will impact the success each
is able to have.
@StGtoSLC From: 61Cougar re: Your 3 points to "Bluto"He is right, it hurts but even I can agree. Doesn't change the fact that I am
still a BYU fan, true blue. That is what makes BYU so unique. Say
whatever negative comments that Ute fans can say about BYU, given their
circumstances, the limiting factors ie: honor code, it is still amazing that BYU
can put a decent team together to be competetive. No, I don't think we will ever
win another National Championship and no I don't think we ever get to a BCS
game, unless we go undefeated and if we become part of a BCS conference but,
that won't change my mind about BYU. They always have and always will be my
team. The problem for Ute fans is they know that if they lose to
BYU, it will make them look bad. I don't have to worry about that.
Isn't Harline playing guitar in a rock band and not on Sunday's
azjim, Brandon Burton is still in your backfield. And VJ Fehoko is still
Re:AzJimmerNo; Harline is so closed, but have fun continuing to live
in the past. All excited about the upcoming game in the SlimGym? It'll make
St. Mary's gym look like the Delta Center (if that's what it's still called).
61coug, haha sorry, my remarks aren't directed at you classy guys, just to bring
some of the haters back down to Earth.
and Harline is still open............
Bluto:Vaha was a 3-star Defensive recruit; ergo, not bad! While
he's nowhere near our top Defensive talent committing to the U, it's good to
know that his commitment could rain down your jealous frantic and emotional
tears like a monsoon. Delicious!But hey, for what it's worth, it's
still looking like you'll be landing the top recruiting class in the WAC.[*snicker*]
Congrats to this kid for picking the school that was most appealing to him.The problem here is larger than this kid choosing his "hated
Utes" over BYU. He may or may not pan out as a D1 football player,
particularly when injuries, other talent on the team, etc. are factored in.But what is clear is that kids that would never have chosen Utah over
BYU are now doing just that. So one has to as why - and I think the answer is
clear. The opportunity to play USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Big 10 teams, etc.
- win or lose - is a huge draw vs. the uncertainty that independence offers BYU.
We saw the Cougar's schedule last year and know that it won't be much better
this year. So in that regard how can you fault the kid?All BYU fans
can hope for is that Holmoe and the administration know what they are doing.
Because if they don't and BYU is ultimately left out of a BCS conference, the
results could be dire.I am and will continue to be a huge BYU fan -
a fan that is seriously concerned about the future of BYU football.
Re: Go Red & STGtoSLC - Don't be to hard on Bluto. He tries but can't help
himself. It was just last week that BYU announced a new commitment, Marques
Johnson, a 3 star JUCO who was offered scholarships from both BYU and Washington
State (kind of familiar offer list) with some interest from Indiana. It was
also (I believe) the same day that Poutasi announced his commitment to Utah and
it wouldn't be right to upstage the BYU announcement with a superior 4 star
commitment from the Utes. This is an article about a local player and his
decision. Lets have compassion for those few BYU fans that can only feel good
about themselves by belittling and trying to find fault with others. Most of
the fans in this rivalry do respect the accomplishments of each team, but some
just don't have the maturity. Perhaps someday... after all Magic Happens!
@ blutoTake off the blue colored glasses and read the article again.
@StGtoSLC re: Your 3 points to "Bluto"Ouch.It
hurts, but I believe you to be spot on with all three of your points.
"I hated Utah growing up," he said. "I was a BYU guy"Same with me. I always loved BYU growing up, and hated the Utes. Now I
love the Utes. Now, I don't hate BYU at all, and in fact would call them my 2nd
favorite team. But I love the Utes, and hope they get a Rose Bowl win soon!Good job, Vainuku! And I am glad you made the decision to go on a
Byu had an offer in hand, only if he promised to commit to them. That way we can
believe we get every recruit we want. It's all part of the confirmation bias we
have grown accustom to.
Poor Bluto.1. Did you read the article? BYU had an offer in hand for
when he visited, he told them "forget about it!"2. Vaha is
nowhere near our best recruit this year, but still an in-state win as one of the
best players from the state. This impacts future local recruiting classes, and
draws fans from families who were not fans before.3. We actually develop
our players, especially the defensive guys, into great players. We don't have
teams like USC develop them and then transfer them. I'll listen to your argument
of who is worth a scholarship when I see half a dozen Cougs starting in the
trenches in the NFL.
The news surrounding this latest recruit only continues to expose the arrogant,
bullheaded, and delusional behavior so typical of the coaches at BYU. The
article said the Y hadn't even offered Vainuku and wouldn't even consider doing
so until he visted happy valley.The bottom line is they expect most
church member recruits to receive "preferred" walk on status simply
because they are a member of the church, instead of offering them a scholarship
outright. This instance only helps other kids realize if they want to come to
play for the Y, be a walk on, then be evaluated for a scholarship if one becomes
available.The Utes do it right, if the kid is worthy of a
scholarship, they offer him one and then welcome him into the fold so he can
become acclaimated with the entire process of being D1 scholarship player.
As a fellow poly and big Cougar fan, I can't be excited at the prospect of
losing all the good poly recruits to the Utes but I guess this is what the
effect of playing in a BCS championship conference can do. Utah definitely has
got the edge now in the recruiting process. Unless the BCS folds in the future
and a NC game is decided on the field through a playoff system, my cougs I'm
afraid, will have an impossible chance, if at all, of putting together a
talented enough team to compete for a national title. As sad as
that picture looks, I'm still hopeful that Bronco and his coaching staff can
recruit and put together a squad of talented enough choir boys that can keep us
cougar fans excited and proud to continue giving our support. Go
@blutoWhere did you get this "inside information"? If you
would do your research, you would find that he chose not to consider BYU.Your hatred toward Utah is apparent in all of your posts.
Sitake is staying at Utah. He's also getting a very substantial raise. Kilani is a great coach/recruiter and an even better person. Go
He may change his mind if the news last night was true. Sitake may be going to
Washington. He won't have the same defensive coaches there that recruited him.
He had 4 offers, Utah St., Wazzu, Hawaii and Utah.Hardly the Who's Who of
College football.BYU did not offer! Utah was his best offer.Calm down Red Tailed Hawks, don't make more of this than it is.U
beat out USU, WSU and Hawaii for his services, that's it.
Welcome to the U Vaha! From a fellow East High Leopard, we're very excited to
have on board. Best wishes on your mission.
Welcome to the U!!! You are joining a fine heritage of U of U Alumni such as
President Hinckley and President Monson! We are proud of your decision to come
to the U, and also to serve a mission!! Can't wait to see you on the field! Go
Welcome! Best of luck to you during your transition and at the U!
We've converted many from BYU so no worries... Welcome to the Ute Nation!
Fantastic recruiting success we're having this year! Haven't seen DNews say
anything about it yet, but also the other day, OT Cedrick Poutasi, the
second-ranked recruit from Nevada and a four star by Rivals, committed. That
gives us 4 four stars and 5 of the top ten in the state so far. Elliss,
Kemoeatu, Pouha, Fanene, Soliai, Fifita, Lotulelei...Vainuku??