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Amy Donaldson: Don't rush to judgment on Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin

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  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Jan. 4, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    You are all mising the point. Corbin is the coach. At practice, he tells the players what he expects out of them. He gives them plays for offensive and sets up how he wants to defend the other team. Then he teaches them the spacing and movement he wants with his offense.

    Now the players can either run his system or do their own thing. He can't control that in the game outside of benching players. It is evident by rotation that there are certain players (Burkes) who has not proven he can run the system properly during games or he would be playing.

    Problem is you fans think you can read Corbin's mind and you know what he tells the players during practice. In realiyt you have no idea what they are suppose to be doing individually and team wise. Those who sit the bench, belong on the bench and those who play belong on the court based on Corbin's judgement of what balance he needs on the court for both defensive and offensive schemes.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    I think the author is overstating the "fire Corbin" thing a little bit. There's always a few out there who just hate, but I really think most Jazz fans want to give Corbin a chance. We are not THOSE fans..

    There are a bunch of things the fans can criticize about Corbin. Yes, he was put into a whirlwind last season. But he started out THIS season horribly unprepared. His team lacked coaching, energy, strategy, let alone shooting. He messed up the starting lineup--and still insists on using Bell for something other than assistant coach.

    Experience will help Corbin a lot. But we really don't have the time and regular season games to waste to try to learn on the job. This is a professional basketball league, and the expections are high. We need to play our best rotations and play a complete game, every game, and we have not done that yet.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    I think Corbin will get tons of wins as an NBA coach during a lengthy career. I think he has a tough job right now.

    I disagree that this team doesn't have talent. There's tons of talent but it is young, immature, undisciplined, and prone to foolish mistakes.

    And therein lies the problem. Young teams require experienced, mature coaches. They need to be able to look at a coach and know that he has been to the wars before and have faith that he can lead them through their mistakes.

    Unfortunately, we have a young coach who is busy making his own mistakes.

    Corbin is not the right coach for this particular team at this particular time. Give these same players to Adelman, Popovich, McMillan, or one of a dozen other coaches with experience and the Jazz would be a playoff worthy team. Put Corbin with the Celtics, Spurs, Heat or some other team with players who are like coaches on the floor and who hold each other accountable and he will win a lot of games.

    I believe in both the players and Coach Corbin. I just don't believe in them together.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:11 p.m.

    Actually starting is hurting Hayward, he is in with the pass it in to Jefferson and then. stand around team, and he should be playing the 2 spot anyway. Burks came in and gave them a really good 10 minutes on both ends of the court, then wasn't seen again. I am still not getting it.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2012 3:38 a.m.

    Not having a camp because of the lockout hurt Corbin. A young coach needs time to develop young players.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Jan. 2, 2012 11:54 p.m.

    starting Hayward and Favors may get them minutes...but if the plays are designed for someone else...and they are just petty decorations on the offense...then it would really not help them at all...first of all...Al Jefferson is a black hole on offense...i really missed the plays at the end of last season...where in Hayward made the plays...i think...Hayward should try being the floor general...and direct the plays...and i think...not being able to commit to the development of the young guys is a bad idea...i think its better...that we play them...major minutes...and design plays for them...i know corbin didnt have the time for that...but...he isnt going anywhere with his lineup anyway...i think he isnt open to the idea of raja bell getting benched...its sad since...at the end of last season...we saw a lot of improvement from our then rookies...but this year...it seems Hayward regressed...i am really high on the guy since i know he can play...

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Jan. 2, 2012 8:22 p.m.

    There was a Mutiny on the Bounty and Captain Bligh was put over the side. Lt. Christian took over the quarterdeck and then was sent elsewhere. The rebellion is not over and the new captain is being groomed for the same result. Someone has to put their foot down and right a sinking ship. Either Corbin does it or the ship sinks. He has some very good young players in Favors and Kanter. He also has a lot of dead wood. They need a good point guard and everything will be fine. Eleven assists against the 76ers is absolutely ridiculous and says a lot about the focus of the team. It is obvious where the team's future is and the Jazz just need to do what they know that they have to do. He who hesitates is lost.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 5:49 p.m.

    @Rexburg, Your right, I guess management shouldn't listen at all to the fan base who pays for it all. Yes we don't see what goes on in practice but we all can see what goes on in the games and were not liking what we see right now and if we don't like what we see we quit supporting.

  • Calbrode Vernal, Ut
    Jan. 2, 2012 4:54 p.m.

    Remember folks, Sloan left knowing he was going to be dealing with a rebuilding year coming up. I feel Corbin knows his stuff. Patience, results take time.

  • YoungBloodJazz REXBURG, ID
    Jan. 2, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    Everyone has an opinion on what the starting line-up should be. The consensus seems to be: give the rookies the vets minutes (Bell shouldn't play at all), player development is more important then wins right now, Big Al should be traded because he doesn't defend well and is a black hole on offense, and Corbin isn't making good personnel decisions. Is that an accurate summary?

    How can we judge fairly? We don't get to see how the players compete in practice. Burks seems to be a great scorer in garbage time but if he can't even complete with Bell in practice to earn the starting spot (every spot is up for grabs) then we don't want him to play. Corbin played pro basketball, so did Sydney Lowe and Jeff Hornacek, these guys can tell better then we can who should be in the starting line-up, get minutes, is ready for a bigger role, etc. This team would be terrible if the fans got to text in who the starting line-up should be each game. It's not a popularity contest. All Burks has to do is continue to practice and improve and we'll see more of him.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    Jefferson, Harris, Howard, CJ and Bell are as great as their ever going to get or on the downhill slide and we'll never see the playoffs again or see the young guys develope with them getting a lot of minutes.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Jan. 2, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    Thanks for writing this necessary article. I lived in SLC when the Jazz arrived and they stunk it up for years until Thurl Bailey arrived in the '83 draft. Since then they have been a regular in the playoffs (yes, I know they've missed some but we all know they've been there more consistently than any other franchise).

    No, there are no titles or rings but there has been incredible basketball considering the market they play in. Credit Larry Miller first for keeping them there and give much credit to Jerry Sloan for consistently puttiong a great product on the floor. And of course don't forget a slew of hard nosed players including a few Hall of Famers who entertained the fans in Utah for more than two decades. It's been a great ride but now it's a new season in Utah. I hope like heck that Ty Corbin is successful because he's such a good guy. I hope he can turn the raw talent he has into what Utah has enjoyed for the past 25 years but I don't have the same confidence I would have if Sloan was still there so I'm waiting to see. Let's give Ty and the players a chance to turn themselves into something great. Patience is a virtue.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Don't expect the criticism to get anything but worse, now he is planning to go to 8 or 9 man rotation which means even less playing time for the young guys they need to be developing which is in direct contrast to what the fans want.

    By all accounts the Jazz fans are among the very best in the NBA and if you read all their posts you will realize they are willing to put up with the team losing but only if they are seeing the young guys who will be the future of this team getting a lot of playing time and Corbin is slapping them in the face with the lineup he is starting tonight.

    The Jazz need to start listening if they want to keep their fan base.

  • first2third Elmo, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Corbin doesn't get to shoot the ball or play defense. I think he could do better even now at his age than most of the current jazz players. Not Corbin's fault. Players need to shoot at a higher percentage and play better defense, not sure if another coach would do better. However one thing Sloan demanded was hard work on defense. I am not seeing that with the current team. I that Corbin's fault??? DK

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    @jazz source
    For everyone still whining about the Jazz trading D-Will, what has Deron done for the Nets lately. That's right, nothing! The Nets were terrible last year with Deron and they are just as bad today. Having an all star on your team doesn't mean much unless you have some other players to work with and the Jazz and the Nets are probably about equal with the talent that surrounds D-Will. However, we got Favors in the trade and ultimately Kantors in the draft with the Nets pick and right now I prefer what the Jazz got in the trade more than the Nets. But it is going to take a little time for these 2 big guys to develop. If the Nets were winning a lot of games with D-Will getting 20 and 10 every game then we might feel like we gave up too much, but that ain't happening my brother, so get over it.

  • The Great Houdini Rye, CO
    Jan. 2, 2012 11:31 a.m.

    We are not a very talented team.Best 2 players Jefferson and Millsap would be 3rd or 4th best on a good team.Al would probably start on most teams just because of his O and size,Millsap has a big heart but a 4th/5th option on a good team,after that fellow Jazz fans...our talent is pretty thin,a few youngsters with promise,Hayward/Favors/Burks/Evans and Canter...not much else

  • louisiana jazz man Dubach, LA
    Jan. 2, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    looks to me like no plays are called just trow it to al and it stops or who ever has the ball fire it up. who is to blame? looks like they need some coaching who is to blame?. better get phil back or all the draft picks will be ruined.

  • forgetyourself Layton, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    I still think Corbin is still too soft and does not stand up for his guys to the ref's. I do not see him as a leader. He needs to find the guys that are working hard and not the old guys trying there best when Bell is too old and Howard is just a fill in. Jazz fans want to see the Talent play or wins. Fans have a right to demand things from this team and its coach. We are the ones paying for it. I have not been calling for Corbin's departure but I do think he needs to step up quick. Every one in the league knows how much talent is on this team. I just do not want to see us become the next Cav's.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    Greg Miller is ultimately to blame for this franchise collapse.

    He did not back Sloan when Deron busted off and ran his own plays and cost us that fateful Chicago game and ultimately our hall-of-fame coach. Sloan still wanted to coach and would be today if Greg would have backed the coach instead of the players. Now the inmates run the asylum just like 25 other side-shows they call teams in the NBA. Their results speak for themselves.

    That move by Miller started the dominoes falling which cost us our only player that is a star Deron Williams. He should have not been traded..he was injured at the time and play less than his best ball.

    You don't win in this league without stars. Anyone, tell me who we have that could even remotely be considered even a borderline allstar?

    That's right. Nobody. That is the reason this team will drift off into the abyss.

    Thanks greg.

  • TheNun Granstville, UT
    Jan. 2, 2012 9:25 a.m.

    The problem people, fans, have with Corbin's performance this year is due to the handling of his personnel, not neccesarily due to wins and loses. Most understand this is a rebuilding year, in spite of what KOC keeps insisting.

    On one hand, the Jazz try to develop the young talent by starting Hayward and Favors, but the most glaring contradiction of this movement is the insistance of continuing to play Bell at the two. Bell can not compete at this level as a starter any longer and any minutes he gets are at the expense of Burk.

    Another hold back with Bell starting is Hayward is not a three. He's a two and should start there, with Burk as the back up. Plain and simple. It then comes down to Miles and Howard to get the minutes at the three while KOC tries to find a legitmate small forward with the trade exception.

    This way, fans will be more understanding as the losses mount, but as it is now, the losses come at the expense of developing the younger guys, which is unacceptable.

  • Old Timer the boonies, mexico
    Jan. 2, 2012 9:00 a.m.

    I admit to being one of the commentors citical of coach Ty's style. That said when I think about whats going on with a couple of players playing and some not playing boils down to this. Bell has been playing to try and instill some toughness in this team I'm sure because they certainly need more.
    In this league if you can't handle physical play you more than likely won't play much. Bell, Milsap, Favors, Watson, Howard, Kanter, and Tinsley are tough enough to handle contact. Miles, Harris, and Jefferson are as soft as cotton scared to death of contact, Hayward is questionable, Burks & Evans don't play enough to judge. Either man up softies or go try golf for a living. From the tough group Bell only has the tough part left in his game and should see less playing time along with Jefferson and Miles! You was a tough player Ty, tell these guys to play the same way or sit them.

  • YoungBloodJazz REXBURG, ID
    Jan. 2, 2012 3:25 a.m.

    I'm a devoted Jazz fan, I've been disappointed in some fan comments that I've read lately because they're so negative and mean. If you were in Corbin's position do you really think you could do better? Really? How would a similar roster be doing right now on your fantasy team? Rick Adelman is a great coach, how did he do after all the talent was traded away from Sacramento? The NBA is changing. Players egos are starting to eclipse their talent. Do you think it's a coincidence that two of the greatest coaches of all time, Phil Jackson and Jerry Sloan, decided to retire around the same time? Being a coach is a tough gig. The players get praised when things go well and the coach get's fired when things go bad

  • YoungBloodJazz REXBURG, ID
    Jan. 2, 2012 3:16 a.m.

    Corbin is going to take criticism until they start to win games (next year probably). I agree with not giving him the interim designation though, it's like giving a teacher the "substitute" designation, it just tells players that they don't need to listen to or respect him. It destroys any credibility that he may have build working with the players as an assistant coach and as a professional basketball player.

    We need to give him more time to prove himself. He's been through some adversity and that could actually make him a better coach for the Jazz in the future if he can learn from it. I personally like that the Jazz promoted someone from inside the organization instead of looking for an outsider to coach. Corbin will keep what was good about the Jazz (pick-n-roll, defense, passing, teamwork, and efficiency)while still being able to innovate (new plays, tweaks on D & O, athleticism, and speed).

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 10:46 p.m.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Bell and Miles are killing this team and taking away VALUABLE minutes from Burks/Evans. I've tried to be patient with Corbin but its getting tough at this point with how much Raja is playing.

    Can we trade Harris and Corbin for Jimmer and Westphal:)

  • VitaMan Park City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Ty Corbin was dealt a bad hand. The culprits here are Greg Miller and Kevin O'Connor. Corbin could have had the "interim" head coach title. I mean why did we need to make a rash decision since Sloan quit. The larger question is why did Sloan quit so suddenly? I suspect the environment had changed and he did not like the direction it was going. We compounded that rash decision with the Deron Williams trade. We went from a game control PG to a non-control PG in Devin Harris. New Jersey knew he was not taking them anywhere and we somehow thought he could do things differntly for us? Really!

    The Lockout did not help things at all for a team trying to find chemistry. Now the compressed schedule has the coaching staff drinking from the proverbial firehose.

    The fans should sit on their wallets and wait for a better investment for their entertainment dollars.

    Ty could open it up and try to put the players on the floor with the most energy. That would leave Raja Bell on the sidelines for a start.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    Jan. 1, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    Coach Corbin has a glaring weakness at the 2 guard position that is not helping him right now. I think fixing that would be a good start to restoring fan confidence.