"Such an interesting contrast. In Oklahoma, a BCS program finishes with a
10-3 record and fans are calling for coaching and quarterback changes. Here, a
10-3 record against weaksauce is called "continued
relevance"."Let's set a couple of things straight,
SoonerUte. First, if you read the quote, it was CBS Sports that said
"continuing relevance" of BYU football. Second, I don't know if you
have selective memory or if you weren't here throughout the season, but fans
WERE calling for coaching and quarterback changes. Some still are, in fact.I know that several BYU fans are disappointed in how the season went,
and I'm certainly not completely satisfied with this season.Tell me,
how thrilled are the Utes to have a 8-5 season?
@Uteanymous says, "Can you explain how losing to a bad team makes U a good
team?" @LonestarRunner says, "As we saw versus one of the
worst teams in the country, WAC bottom dweller equivalent Colorado, Utah
wouldn't have won 10 games even against BYU's "WAC schedule"."***************I see what you're doing. Rather than
talking about BYU's season you would rather talk about Utah v. Colorado, not
only because it was the most satisfying game of the season for the Cougar
Nation, but also because you would rather gloss over the WAC schedule that makes
up the bulk of those 10 Cougar victories.And certainly you don't
want to talk about a humiliating loss to Utah.Changing the subject
is tricky... but it still doesn't can't explain how anyone could possibly be
satisfied with WAC domination and humiliation at the hands of Utah.Well... unless your standards just aren't very high... yeah... that must be
worfUtah lost to the 105th ranked team in country in a game the Utes
were completely dominated in the first half.It doesn't matter how
close Utah made the score at the end, the fact that U lost to a 10-loss team for
the 2nd time in the last five years is humiliation enough.
Uteanymous utes lost to a bad team.. 17-14
@MiPThose are good points, and of course the records of the 2 teams
are almost exact opposites so it is easy to see how comparisons can be made. Let
me tell you the differences.In utah's 10-3 season last year they
started out 8-0 and then proceeded to get absolutely destroyed in 3 of their
last 5 games, including a lopsided and embarrassing bowl loss. BYU on the
otherhand started out badly and then came back to get to a bowl game, which they
won convincingly. Along the way they lost to utah, barely, and utah was the
beneficiary of some questionable calls to win it. This year BYU once
again improved as the year went along, with 2 of their losses early in the
season and finished up with a bowl win. utah did not start out well and did not
finish well, although they did win their bowl game in improbable fashion. It
isn't all that apparent that utah did improve, there isn't anything that shows
they did. They pretty much seemed to end the way they started. That
said I don't know that any of that means anything for next season.
manaenCorrection: get real!!!Season records are for the
ENTIRE season, including bowls; you can spin it however you want, but the final
record is the only record that counts.BYU 10-3Utah 8-5btw, if you want to play that game, you can add another undefeated
season to BYU's record, because BYU was UNDEFEATED during the regular 1979
Re: SportsfanforlifeI actually prefer to read...So you claim OU is
calling for a coaching change change. I guess that is why the university gave
Bob Stoops a three year contract extension at $5.25 million per year. There is
no coaching change in the wind at OU, nor is one being called for by the fan
base or university.If you reference Bobs' post bowl comments and
interviews he and the university clearly state a 10 win season is great and he
goes on to say there are very few teams in the country that win 10 games a year
consistently. Bob also goes on to say that OU wins a NC about once every ten
years, it has been 11 years since their last NC so they are due. He did not set
the expectation of a NC, that was the media...not Bob, not the university, the
media.At BYU they set high goals, to be the best...that is why they
want their second NC. Goals are good.
Correction: it was a 9-win season + 1 POST-season win = 10-win year but not a
@howard"When you play a WAC schedule even bad teams can win 10
games."BYU played almost as many BCS AQ teams (4) as they
played five WAC teams (5).As we saw versus one of the worst teams in
the country, WAC bottom dweller equivalent Colorado, Utah wouldn't have won 10
games even against BYU's "WAC schedule".btw, no 10-win
Utah team has ever played more power conference teams than BYU played this
Howard S."Beating bad teams does not make you a good team...
and losing... to good teams does not make you a bad team."Can
you explain how losing to a bad team makes U a good team?
Howard S.You're so delusional.Utah's invite to the PAC
12 had NOTHING to do with Utah's supposed superiority in football or any other
sport. BYU's unwillingness to compete on Sunday, PAC 12 religious bigotry, and
BYU undergraduate-focused educational excellence were the main factors in BYU
not being invited to the PAC 12.If the PAC 12 had based its decision
strictly on overall athletic excellence, decades of football excellence, and
much larger national fanbase, BYU would have been chosen over Utah in a
@mussingaround and phoenixWhen you play a PAC 12 schedule even good
teams will have losses.When you play a WAC schedule even bad teams
can win 10 games.Here is wisdom... Beating bad teams
does not make you a good team... and losing (that means loosing for Cougar
readers) to good teams does not make you a bad team.
@phoenix The irrelevance of all those 10 win seasons is reflected by
the fact that every major conference that has looked at BYU has taken a pass.
Howard S.PAC 12 affiliation for Utah means being a bottom tier team
in a division that only had two teams with winning records - pathetic!PAC 12 SouthUSC 7-2 10-2UCLA 5-4 6-8ASU 4-5 6-7Utah
4-5 8-5Col 2-7 3-10Ariz 2-7 4-8
Howard S.How sad that Utah's only relevance has been reduced to Utah
fans pounding their chests about bowl revenue.BYU's 10-win season =
Top 25 Final RankingUtah's 7th place PAC 12 finish = ranked below
BYU even in SagarinDo you really think BYU would want a humiliating
loss to a 10-loss team blemishing their record?If the Utes couldn't
win the pathetically weak PAC 12 South this year (every other team besides
ineligible USC finished with a losing record), when will the Utes ever be
relevant, even in their own conference?Face it, Utah is nothing a
punching bag for the big boys of the PAC 12.
10-win seasonsBYU - SIXTEEN (in 87 seasons - 18%)1979 11-1
#13/#121980 12-1 #12/#121981 11-2 #13/#111983 11-1 #7/#71984 13-0 #1/#11985 11-3 #16/#171989 10-3 #22/#181994 10-3
#18/#101996 14-1 #5/#52001 12-2 #25/#242006 11-2 #16/#152007 11-2 #14/#152008 10-3 #25/#212009 11-2 #12/#122011 10-3
?/?Utah - SIX (in 118 seasons - 5%)1994 10-2 #10/#82003
10-2 #21/#212004 12-0 #4/#52008 13-0 #2/#42009 10-3 #18/#182010 10-3 unranked/#23
@PAC man7th place in the PAC = $2 million payout in the Sun Bowl
against an ACC opponent...6-0 against the WAC = $0.6 million payout
in the Armed Forces Bowl against the CUSA...7th place in the PAC 12
>>> 6-0 against the WAC...PAC 12 affiliation >>>
Mid-major, non-AQ, indy, WAC scheduling irrelevance...Spin it anyway
you like, but the Cougar Nation would trade indy for Utah's bowl game experience
and conference affiliation in an instant. btw... Has the BIG XII
called back yet... has any conference called back yet?
"Are there enough WAC games on BYU's 2012 schedule to ensure another 10 win
season?"Nope, but the real question for U, are there enough
Colorado's in Utah's schedule to ensure another 7th place finish in the PAC 12?
Are there enough WAC games on BYU's 2012 schedule to ensure another 10 win
MiPUtah did get to 10 wins last season, but in their last 5 games,
the Utes got destroyed at home by TCU 7-47, at ND, and in their bowl to BSU, and
barely beat that 7-6 BYU team at home with the aid of some very questionable
calls by the officials.It's funny how Utah fans who were thrilled
with Utah's 10-win season are now ragging on BYU's 10-win season. If
double-digit wins is such a meaningless accomplishment, why has Utah only been
able to accomplish it 6 times in their entire 118 seasons of playing
football?btw, as the game in SLC showed, by the end of the season,
BYU was playing better football than Utah, but just like this year, seasons must
be judged in their entirety, not by a single game.
I am not a big BYU football fan, but I enjoyed this bowl game against Tulsa and
was not surprised with the last minute win -- despite how poorly the Cougars
played on offense until that last drive.Nelson is an inspirational
leader. Van Noy and Hoffman were terrific, and I loved the Reynolds block!I may just increase my interest in BYU football next year!
"6 WAC games sure helps with that 10 win season. "Yep, but
they beat them all. They were all the calibur of Colorado, yet still WON them
all. Don't count out beating an SEC and PAC team on the road, and the defending
CUSA team at home. Give BYU some credit. No one can handle the competition,
just beating who is on their schedule. BYU couldn't have had a better schedule
for being such a young team and doing something no one else is trying right now
in the country.
A ten win season is a solid accomplishment.Congrats to the Cougs.====A quick reminder to the Y fans enamored with the double
digits...the Utes got it last year, remember. They finished #23 in the coaches
poll and "just outside the AP (26)and still, many Y fans on these posts
thought the Y, at 7-6, was a better team. Just goes to show,
whatever you think is true, must be true. Same for both sides. Neither is
Utes can't brag. Did they play Oregon or Stanford? No, they struggled against
Washington State and lost to Colorado. Don't harp in the Wac teams.
MacNasty might be drinking too much Kool-Aid. Have you seen the quality of the
ESPN writers and analysts? They know practically nothing about football.Most BYU alum living in real football-playing states aren't terribly
impressed with BYU's 10-win season. 10 wins with this scheudle is practically
meaningless. They didn't win a single game against a top-notch opponent.(BYU alum, 1996)
our 10 win season with only 2 wins over teams with winning records shoulda gave
us the nat. championship for sure... oh well the voters never get it right
anyways thats why we're ranked just outside the top 25 which noone cares about
except byu fans cause noone knows who we are and didnt watch our bowl game cause
everyone was stilla sleep and/or at work. oh well.sincerely byu
@17-14 "No more DELUSIONAL than thinking an average team that went second
fiddle to BYU in most years in both the WAC and MWC conferences would ever go
anywhere in a 'big boy' conference."yeah super delusional since
they were what a whole ONE game away? hahahah dude you byu fans are hilarious to
listen to. you spin EVERY single thing you can get your words around hahaha.
second fiddle? really? what exactly did byu accomplish over utah besides never
bein invited to a bcs, game 7 out of the last 10 being losses, the whole series=
utahs favor. second fiddle huh? wow byu fans are so clueless its ridiculous now
not even funny anymore
@SoonerUteMy guess is that the reason why some people might be
calling for a coaches head after a 10-3 season (the same coach that won a
national title in 2000) is because they MIGHT have their priorities WAAAAAY out
of whack. Any team should be proud of a 10-3 season, whether they
are in the WAC or the BIG 12 or the 'Conference of Champions' (which,
incidentally, is only 1-4 in bowl games so far this year...)
@ btrickAnd you'd probably be OK with losing to Colorado, who hadn't
won a road game in 4 years, too, wouldn't you, or a score of 0 - 27 against
UNLV. Did you think Utah'd be playing in the Rose Bowl this year, too? Please
explain how you can prefer to be tied for 6th in a weak conference when the
schedule was greased and all you had to do to win the Southern Division was beat
Colorado at home. Remember that the team that did win the division lost 50 - 0
the week before and fired their head coach. Utah's OC quit after losing to CU.
It's ok; cheer for the Utes and pay their high ticket prices to see
the home games where there are plenty of seats available. I'm sure they
appreciate it.Let's see if the 1 - 4 PAC 12 can win their two
remaining bowl games.
@btrickBut you're not a BYU fan. You're a utah troll.
Season of Irrelevance!!!Cougars have 2 wins against winning teams: Utah
State and Tulsa. Yes our best win is against Utah State.Please get
into a conference and play someone other than Bo Diddly TechPlease get an
O.C. that has more than one year of O.C. experiencePlease pay more
attention to Football than Firesides I am one BYU grad that would
take An 8-5 season in PAC 12 over a 10 win season over a bunch of no name
Great way to end the year Cougars! Another 10 win season and likely a top 25
ranking. Say what you will about Riley but he finds a way to win, gotta love his
toughness and grit.
@ Brave Sir RobinWell, my idea of irrelevance is: 1) Utah being #12
of 12 (behind #11 Colorado)so the PAC 10.2 can actually hold a conference
championship game after the PAC was snubbed by 5 BIG 12 teams; and 2) SDSU
joining the Big East for essentially the same reason(s) when they finally were
in a conference (MWC) that had lost Utah, BYU, and Boise State and so SDSU might
finally win the conference championship. I guess they like the perrenial losses
too much because every time they lose it is because someone else cheated or took
advantage of them, etc. and they can gripe about it ad naseum.While
I might enlighten you further, just to not disappoint Howard S. and other trolls
that have already posted their poison, I'll pass on that and congratulate the
Utes and the Cougars on each winning their bowl games. In this day and age of
college parity (except for the mighty SEC whose ego is larger than life itself)
winning any bowl game is an accomplishment.When was the last time
you played the game? What is your definition of a "dozen?" Careful,
your bias is showing.
Thank goodness for Cody Hoffman. What would BYU's record be this year without
the stellar performances from Hoffman and the human highlight reel, a.k.a.KVN?
Uncle RicoPlaying Colorado the day after Thanksgiving meant the Utes
had over a month to rest, and they still almost lost to #50 Georgia Tech.
indycrimsonYour bowl game payout comparisons are meaningless.The real comparison:#42 BYU beat #29 Tulsa by 3 in
regulation#36 Utah beat #50 Georgia Tech by 3 in OTnet
result#34 BYU#37 Utah#39 Tulsa#53 Ga TechBYU finished with their 16th 10+ win season and a certain Final Top 25
rankingUtah won't even be mentioned in the others receiving votesEnjoy spending your share of that $2 million; btw, how much are you
Great year for BYU, but winning against Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State,
means we had 3 weeks to recover and rest.
AF Bowl pay out 600kSun pay out 2 millionIf BYU didn't go to
the AF Bowl they would have taken #5 from the MWC? Wyoming? Air Force?
Relevance is beautiful!!
indycrimsonThe difference between BYU and Utah is BYU doesn't LOSE
to the Colorado's on BYU's schedule. Utah is one of only a handful of teams that
have lost to two or more 10+ loss teams in the last 5 years.Grow up
with your make-believe schedules; BYU plays a schedule next year that the Utes
wouldn't have a prayer of going undefeated against.
Were probably the best 10 win team in years. We should be undefeated for shore.
Still second fiddle in the polls, just like old times in the WAC and MWC.Being in a 'big boy' conference hasn't changed a thing and BYU still
gets the publicity and recognition.Hurts about as much as driving
off a cliff against TCU last season, the Las Vegas Bowl against BSU and losing
to Colorado weeks ago.
@Brave Sir Robin,Read the comments from the professional sports
writers my friend. Look up the sources. They know worlds more about sports
than you it appears.Want to know what I think is irrelevant?For the most part, your comments and those of other trolls.Finally, my moniker is MacNasty, not ImNasty. I'll give you a benefit of a
doubt and assume that it was a simple mistake instead of an immature and failed
attempt at absurd levity.Shall we talk basketball now?
Congratulations BYU. Sounds good, looks good as long as one does not dig too
deep. One win against a team with a winning record, beating up on a lot of low
quality teams is more cause for concern than celebration.
@ImNasty"The professional sports writers know that BYU is
relevant and will be for years to come."That's an ironic
statement considering BYU just played a bowl game against a WAC and/or CUSA team
(sorry, can't remember which conference Tulsa is in) at 9 a.m. on a work day
that roughly a dozen people watched.If that's your idea of
relevance, I'd hate to know what you think irrelevance is.
BYU should go for an undefeated season next year...Idaho, Idaho State,
SVU, Dixie State, UVU, Weber State, UNLV, New Mexico, Prarie View and Colorado
School of Mines, U of Denver, U of Phoenix and LDS Business College should get
you 13-0...That would be awesome! Then you could vote Riley Nelson
into the BYU Hall of Fame and maybe give him the Byiesman Trophy? It could be a
Utah county mardigra of sorts...
SportsfanforlifeIt will always be BYU's goal to attain the highest
achievement in any sport. So what, the Cougars didn't make it this year but they
have in the past and that is what your team doesn't have.No more
DELUSIONAL than thinking an average team that went second fiddle to BYU in most
years in both the WAC and MWC conferences would ever go anywhere in a 'big boy'
conference.Like U guys ever had a chance?AP will be out
soon enough. Here's the headline for you...BYU AP Top 25, Utes...
not so much
Will you children just grow up? Congrats BYU!
@byu fans "in contrast, utah fans were talking before the season about
winning the south division title, challenging for the P12 title, winning 10+
games and dominating the P12 in their first season. instead they had a losing
record in the conference in spite of being gifted with the easiest
schedule."hahahaha yall are so annoying its crazy, you say all
that about utah when before the season even started yall were claiming to have
the best team ever and going to the nat championship HOW DELUSIONAL are you?
@calicoug if you actually watched tv then you would know soonerute is right they
are calling for the head coaches job watch espn first take skip bayless die hard
ou fan even said it. "Not sure where your getting your info on
OU" not sure where your getting yours, and they definitely didnt call
that season a succes seeing as how they thiught by years end they would be in
nat. championship but unlike byu that goal for them is realistic
Entertaining season, thanks for the effort.
Yeah Howard, good thing the Cougars didn't have to play Colorado.
@fan29" with that schedule they should win 10 games"and they did win 10 games, anytime you reach 1 of your goals its something to
get excited about. most detractors said byu would be lucky to win 8 games.in contrast, utah fans were talking before the season about winning the
south division title, challenging for the P12 title, winning 10+ games and
dominating the P12 in their first season. instead they had a losing record in
the conference in spite of being gifted with the easiest schedule.meanwhile, byu lost by 1 on the road to a ranked team, lost on the road to
another ranked team mainly because of 2 mishandled punts, and lost a head
scratcher/ brain fart-type game to utah. there's a lot of positives to
build on for next year.
I don't understand all the excitement. With that schedule they should win 10
Re: SoonerUteNot sure where your getting your info on OU, no
coaching change being called for, school wants QB back for senior season. OU is
calling the season a success...the contrast is your creation as both
universities are calling their football season a success. Join in the love, and
remember 10-3 is alway better than 8-5.
And 10-3 is much, much, much better than 8-5. Cougs rule!
Such an interesting contrast. In Oklahoma, a BCS program finishes with a 10-3
record and fans are calling for coaching and quarterback changes. Here, a 10-3
record against weaksauce is called "continued relevance".Strength of schedule for 2012 looks like this year's schedule, so the
relevance should continue even further. Woo-hoo!
Here is what the professional sports news services are saying about BYU's 10 win
season:"WHAT BYU WON: Their first bowl game as an independent,
a final 10-3 record that cements the program's continued relevance without a
conference affiliation, and a bundle of optimism entering Nelson's senior
year." CBS Sports, 12/30/2011"The Cougars won 10 games --
their fifth 10-win season in the past six years. That has to be considered a
major success in Year 1 as an independent." ESPN, 12/30/2011Professional sports writers recognize BYU's 10 win season as significant and
also BYU's "continued relevance" as a nationally recognized football
program.Those are the facts. No amount of spinning by the trolls
and haters will change them.Happy New Year!
bigsamoan: let 'em spew the hate and venom. Just means they are keeping us in
mind. This was a fun team to watch and looking forward to next year for even
more! Go Cougs!
I believe the term underclassman means a freshman or sophmore. That would make
Nelson an upperclassman. It is a little thing, but I like reporters to know what
they are talking about.
Great win and an unbelievable display of gut,grit and determination on both ends
of the ball. How I wished they were able to do that against Texas, Utah, and
TCU. It would've silenced the haters and spared us diehard fans a lot of angst
and pain from all the ridicule and hateful venom.Go Cougs!
6 WAC games sure helps with that 10 win season.
Happy New Years, Cougars! There is indeed a lot to look forward to, and a lot
to accomplish. Let the ride continue~!
FOR ALL TROLLS AND BYU HATERS:"WHAT BYU WON: Their first bowl
game as an independent, a final 10-3 record that cements the program's continued
relevance without a conference affiliation, and a bundle of optimism entering
Nelson's senior year." CBS Sports, 12/30/2011"The Cougars
won 10 games -- their fifth 10-win season in the past six years. That has to be
considered a major success in Year 1 as an independent." ESPN, 12/30/11If you wish to be more foolish than you already are, go ahead and post
your pathetic, inane, and ridiculous diatribes about how BYU and/or its 10 win
season are irrelevant.The professional sports writers know that BYU
is relevant and will be for years to come. Sorry trolls and haters,
the BYU football team will be ranked higher in the final polls than any other
Utah based team.