JD BrooksI know Race is a real prospect but I was just listing those I
knew about with offers so far. I have not read anything about offers for
Race...do you know if he has any yet?
Brighton Alum: Don't forget Race Parsons from South Sevier in your D1 prospects
list. He very well could be the most complete player in any classification this
year and he is only a junior.
Actually the reason for Dubach's success is the coaching. Just ask him.
Bingham basketball coach, Dubach, is hated on because of the way the
guy coaches, and treats everything! his team with Clifford was very
good, he did not have them ready to play against Fremont at all, he didnt get
them prepared and you could see it,again another reason to me that I feel
is huge you have to consider,They won about 55 plus games and lost
bout 2 and only to WJ, in that horrible region,That is the worst region
set up for a team that is trying to stay competitive when they can play 10-12
guys all game long and be ok with it, then you get to state tourney time, your
big boys play some teams that are good, and they have no idea what is going
on.2006 they won it, because of Brett Sommerville, they dont win it
any other way, they guy played 10 guys all the time because that team was bred
since it was 6 years old, 2-3 grand a year to play on there travel team, With the players he has, and the athletes, he runs horrid offense for
it.Beat LP once Dubach! just once
People seem to be throwing around the phrase "D-1 players" quite a
bit. Getting looks by a division 1 school and getting an offer are two very
different things. I am curious how many of these players actually have D-1
offers and from where. I have read about the following offers...if anyone knows
of any other Utah players who have received offers-as opposed to looks- please
post--I would love to hear. (* idicates they have committed)Loveridge* (WJ) UtahMoore* (Skyview) Utah StateHaws*,Emery*&
Mika* (LP) BYU Ott* (DHills) UC DavisDeng* Long Beach StateBair* & Davis* (AF) Utah StateVan Dyke (East) Utah St, Utah, Weber
St, ASU, StanfordWaddoups (AF) Cornell & ArmyOliverson??
(Skyview) Utah State???
I am a 5A guy.........and I say hose the BCS and hose the 1A thru 5A tourney.Let's do it Hoosier style.Quit letting in the 4th place team
in a Region of 6 members, usually with a 8-14 record into the tourney. Take
top 3 every Region.After about 2 years all the little schools will
cry foul after getting blown out, and want to go back. Once in a while, a
Cinderella will emerge....but 95 percent will go down in flames. Where it would
be good is the 4A and 5A mx at the end. Maybe a Wasatch sneaks in or a 3A or 2A
special group. That would be a true tourney and a true Champion.That would be fun. And the small schools would be happy with a first round
win....as they would be seeded against a 5A power most likely......Thoughts?
Bingham Alum...South Sevier would is happy with their many gold 2A trophies and
I am sure we would be happy with another one this year, assuming we get by
Wasatch Academy, which is not a given. You are right, most years a tournament
like this would be blowout city with the larger schools demolishing the smaller
schools. However, the talent level in 2A in general this year is on par with
what you will find in the larger classifications. Most D1 coaches would agree.
Not just South Sevier but on the Wasatch Academy club as well. Besides the
competition being first rate the UHSAA could put more dollars in their pocket
with a tourney like this.
I'm saying that tournament would take one year and all the little towns like SS
would know they can't hang with the Lp's and Wj's.
why would the top 4-8 teams in each class be in a big tourney??? That
would be a non fun matchup like I compared to little schools wantin shots at Big
schools. Its funny you schools only bring up competition in
basketball, SS where are you in Football??? or baseball???/ can you hang with
all the big boys in them sports??? NO Just becasue you go 26-2 every
year in 2A doesnt mean you can run every game with the Big boys. Is
SS not happy enough being state champions???? Do you people see Lone
Peak on here, saying we need a state wide playoff so we can go have a chance to
beat South Sevier?? NO because they dont need to play them to show anyone
anything. If you had a state wide finale playoff, like what Indiana
and other states do, you need money to support it, would SS and all them little
schools travel to Salt Lake for a tourney? no because of MONEY. Be
happy with 2A state champs. if you win it that is, because SS lost to the other
good 2A team! ha
woodness,Wrestling is in no way Comparision to Basketball buddy.Because all it is One on One, any kid who just works his butt off and is fit
and ripped and knows how to wrestle well can win state. Look at all the wasatch
kids, its must easier to be good in individual sports like that becasue you know
who the BEST is by just watching him, such as in Golf,the best golfer in
state could be playing for 1A waterford because tahts where he goes to school.
WAdad,We are talking about High school sports, Not D1 college
teams. where talent level is far from 2A schools in Utah. thats why numbers mean
so much,You know if SS would of lost to Fremont, no one would of cared,
but SS wins on Fremonts first game and everyone says little guy upsets big
guy,When there is no good coming from this. Why do you think Bingham
doesnt go play anyone under 4A? people would kill to play Bingham, and if you
lose, oh well they should of won, if you win, BIG UPSET! ha no possible good out
come for bigger schools.
HS Sports Dude: Pretty hard on the Bingham coaches, time for a change, years of
under achieving. Really! In 2009 with Ben Clifford they were suppose to win the
whole thing and didn't but other than that they have been very competitive every
year, won it in 2006. This year's team is missing their best player who is out
until January. Take the best player off any team the first 10 games and they
would struggle.The problem with Bingham Basketball is they don't
produce D-1 players or potiental D-1 players don't go to Bingham(Which isn't the
case in football). Other schools every few years have a D-1 player come through
their program. Clifford and Roberts since 1989 are the only players I can think
of. This is not Hossier, you will not win State anymore without D-1 level
basketball players. West Jordan-(3) D-1 players, Lone Peak-(2) D-1
players, AF-(2) D-1 players, your state Champion is one of these teams. If
South Sevier really has (3) D-1 players they would be up there with these teams
doesn't wrestling have a tournament of champions at the end of the year all
class champs invited? Sure its one on one but couldnt you argue that a 5A has so
many more 145 pound kids to choose from. does that make it a lose lose situation
for the 5A kid. Nobody says at the end of the year that "sure he took state
but he lost in that tournament for fun against the other bests in the
state" no. any state champion would welcome the chance to prove they are
the VERY best. thats why they are champs in the first place.
If I remember right, back in 1976 the UHSAA or someone put together a four
classifications state champions tournament. I know for sure that Milford was in
it as the 1A champion. It finished 4A 3A 2A 1A after four games. Can anyone fill
us in on all the details?
I think they should have the top 4-8 teams from each class go to a big
tournament and see how that ends up.
@binghamalumBased on your argument, weber st, butler, and all small
schools shouldn't be invited to March Madness, because it would be a lose/lose
situation for the Dukes, the Mich Sts and the Standfords. The only thing that
should determine their participation is the number of students attending the
school??? I would like to see a state-wise playoff. 16 schools going at it
with all they got for a week. What are you afraid of????????
All the little town people dreaming of there team getting a chance at the big
boys..............What a waste of time! Why would you want to have
the champs all play each other??? Do you actually think SS would hang with LP,
WJ, Orem,?? and It would only be good for small town teams, because
guess what, if a school like Alta were to beat SS, oh you little town people
instantly say.... You should beat us you have 2400 students to our 200,Big schools if they win all you small town people would say then is, YOU
were predicted to win so who cares...Then you have if South Sevier
win, or anyone else small, its the biggest upset ever,so its a lose
lose for the big schools to play small schools, even if there is a team that
comes along and wins 26 games in a year, you play 2A all year, if you play up
even one more division its maybe 18 wins, 4A all year 13 wins, 5A all year long
10 wins! Stop trying to compare this! Be good with a 2A state title.
is that not good enough?
JD books, I love that idea. How do we get that idea to become reality?
@HS Sport Dude - I don't think Bingham has bad coaching. They are there late in
the tournament every year it seems like. I think he gets a lot out of his boys.
@aficionado - I agree, that is a little messed up. I really wish LP
would have beat orem so we could have seen WJ and LP.@eagle - I
wouldn't be so sure LP is the best team in the state. They haven't really looked
good in the last 3 games with the execption of skyline. I think WJ would beat
them, and i think AF would even give them a really good game.
It is too bad that the UHSAA would not sanction a two day tournament on the
first weekend in March that featured the best 2A-5A teams in the state to settle
LP will take state in the end, let's quit fooling ourselves they are really the
best team in state.
If South Sevier keeps winning they will move up. Losing to another 2A school to
start the season doesn't help their ranking. If they run the table they will be
deserving of a top 10 spot for sure. Right now #18 is fair. Go Rams
so west jordan is in first? Even though they lost to riverton. when lp's only
loss was #3 orem?
Funny to see how Bingham is when they have just better than average talent. In
past years they have had by far the most talent and depth and wasted it with bad
coaching. They really need a change in that program.Years and Years
of under achieving is enough.
Fremont is below mediocre this year, and not representative of top 4 or 5a
It seems to me that South Sevier should be ranked higher as they beat Fremont
who beat Sky View. Odds are they could take most schools in the state with their
three headed monster of Parsons, King & Clark.