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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 27 2011 7:00 a.m. MST

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Luv 2 Troll U
Sandy, UT

I think the Helicopter bowl is a step down from the Las Vegas bowl.... bad move to jump in the Indy .500.

Starfarer
Mesa, AZ

Luv 2 Troll U

That's because, by definition of your comment name, you are a troll, and anything BYU does will not be good enough for you.

Max-was-right
springville, UT

I can see the HOH's(haters on the hill)are the first ones here today.

Everyone loves a good hoh...

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Starfarer

"Luv 2 Troll U

That's because, by definition of your comment name, you are a troll"

No way? How in the world did you come to that conclusion? You must be so proud of yourself for putting 2 and 2 together. Good job! I'm proud of you!

Luv 2 Troll U
Sandy, UT

@Starfarer

Nice job. I think you're one of the first that picked that up. Keep up the good work!

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Max-was-right

"I can see the HOH's(haters on the hill)are the first ones here today.

Everyone loves a good hoh".

Congratulations on your new acronym. I got one for you: BYU (Bring 'em Young University). WCC (Wannabe Conference of Champions). See I can do it too!

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Shoulda been U in the Vegas bowl. That would have been delightful.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Starfarer:

"That's because, by definition of your comment name, you are a troll, and anything BYU does will not be good enough for you."

PLUS, there's that glaring fact that the Helicopter Bowl IS a step down from the Las Vegas Bowl. Your postseason destination isn't inferior to the Las Vegas Bowl because Ute fans don't like you. It's inferior because it's worth about $400K less. The more prestigious the bowl game, the higher the payout. Or in your case, the less prestigious the game, the lower the payout.

But fret not. You still have your nanny code, and it looks like you guys were a better fit for the WAC anyway.

cougarNV
Las Vegas, NV

I am Impressed with Mr Call's article. Thank you for it.

The perspective it can give to an honest Y fan is appreciated. A lot of research and interesting correlations.

It appears evident that there are higher goals in effect at BYU than just being National Champions. Though us fans sometimes forget that. (Especially when we trade silly barbs with trolls)

Thank you Jeff for your interesting article in an otherwise slow sports week.

Billy Budd
Saint George, UT

"...In '79, the 11-0 Cougars were unbeaten and ranked No. 9 in the nation their highest ranking ever at the time. Indiana, from the Big Ten, was 8-3. BYU's offense, behind quarterback Marc Wilson, led the nation in scoring. The Cougars put up 37 points on the scoreboard that night, but it wasn't enough. Late in the contest, with BYU trailing by one point, kicker Brent Johnson missed the potential game-winning field goal from 27 yards (Johnson did convert three field goals earlier in the game, including a 40-yarder), leaving the Hoosiers the winners and spoiling BYU's would-be perfect season. The final score was 38-37...".

That FG was a missed chip shot.

Every time I see Lee Corso, I remember that FG.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

The obsession with anything BYU has the trolls in a frenzy again today.

re: navalvet - Sorry, but the bowl's payout does not always equal prestigious. The bowls guarantee a payout in advance hoping it will be a prestigious game. Sometimes a bowl ends up being more prestigious (better teams than the payout), and other times less prestigious (worse teams than the payout).

Prestige is really about exposure (number of eyeballs watching the game), quality of the match-up, etc.

This year - Stanford, Oklahoma St, Oregon and Wisconsin make their respective bowl games more prestigious.

West Virginia and Virginia Tech make their bowls less prestigious since neither of them really deserved to go to one of the Top 5 bowl games.

Look at the ratings when they're done and you'll see what I mean.

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

I would say that the BYU/Tulsa Game will be pretty tight. Tulsa has scored more points and has played some good teams. But BYU has done some good things as well.

My guess is that Y will loose (Sorry Cougs) in a tight game by about 10 points.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

Sorry Tex. The Helicopter bowl IS less prestigious than the Las Vegas Bowl, and that had everything to do with your $600K payout vs. their $1M.

But yes, the Fiesta and Rose bowls will be more prestigious than the Las Vegas and you your 4th-least prestigious bowl game in this year's postseason.

FYI - The Armed Forces Bowl paid $750K to Army and SMU [2010], Air Force and Houston [2008 & 2009], Air Force and California [2007], Utah and Tulsa [2006], Kansas and Houston [2005], Marshall and Cincinnati [2004] and TCU and Boise St. [2003]. So despite it's entire history dating back to 2003 of paying out $750K, the one time its value drops 13-1/3%, it coincided with the cougars contract to play there.

It's less prestigious. Own it.

A1994
Centerville, UT

@Naval Vet

Are you really arguing about how much a bowl game pays? I thought this was about college football.

Personally, I think they should eliminate half these bowl games and award teams who have won at least 8 games.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

A1994:

The argument is about the prestige level of the Armed Forces Bowl as compared to the Las Vegas Bowl. The payout is the supporting documentation. And, since I've notice you're not attempting to argue the Helicopter bowl as more prestigious than the Las Vegas bowl, you must have been suitably convinced.

WeberCatBasketballFan
Midway, UT

@A1994 No, naval vet is not arguing about how much it pays. We all know how much it pays, that is not being debated. Please! Let me put it another way, the opinion is that a bowl featuring: Army v SMU, Air Force v Houston, Air Force v California, Utah v Tulsa and Kansas v Houston in the past 5 years is more prestigious than a bowl featuring: Notre Dame v Miami, Oklahoma v Stanford, Oregon St v Pittsburgh, Oregon v USF and Oregon St v Missouri in the past five years. Oh wait, it must be the other way around. LOL

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval lint

Still trying to convince people that going to el paso is "prestigious" huh?

LOL!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@WeberCatBasketballFan

What A1994, and everyone else not wearing crimson tinted glasses is saying is that no one cares any more about the sun bowl than any other bowl not having anything to do with the National Championship. Claiming the payout somehow makes it more prestigious is simply a desperate justification for it. The proof is in the el paso papers. Here is a direct quote from the el paso times.

"this year's less-glamorous matchup between Utah and Georgia Tech will bring in the fewest out-of-town fans in years, and produce a much smaller economic lift for the city.

Officials are projecting the New Year's Eve game will draw about 5,000 out-of-town visitors.

That's a huge drop from the 16,000 out-of-town fans that came to El Paso for last year's Notre Dame-Miami contest. Georgia Tech sold 2,200 tickets to fans expected to attend. Utah had sold only 1,500 tickets to fans expected to attend the game. Officials at both schools said late last week that they didn't expect to sell more tickets."

If it is so prestigious then what aren't utah "fans" going to the game?

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"The obsession with anything BYU has the trolls in a frenzy again today."

What a laugh--CFIT calls out negative responses, then moments later posts an anti-Ute rant on an article about Utah's bowl game. Isn't it against the y-fan Honor Code to call out "trolls" and then immediately troll?

GoRed
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

@cougfanintx

You write "The obsession with anything BYU has the trolls in a frenzy again today." Yet, you were one of the first to post on the University of Utah article.

Your typical double standard.

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