MiP,Wonder all you want, James Lark is not one of those players! He is
grateful for all he has but has a burning desire to be on the field running the
team. bball...Wow. Really? I'm sure Jake Heaps is a
good kid, not so sure he's everything he was projected to be. I agree that
people should now let it go, but, you, my friend, need to protect your health
and sanity and let it go the most.
All these wonderful QBs at the Y and still 54-10.
Naval Vet The stats you provided also show Utah QBs attempted 123
more passes to get 32 fewer completions? You sure?Also, your
aggregate years in the system approach is flawed. Since Utah went slim on the QB
depth, of course they'll have fewer aggregate years. By your standard, Larry
Egger (2 years in Utah's system) was a better QB than Alex Smith (3 years) and
Brandon Doman (5 years in BYU's system) because he threw for more yards than
James is a class act. Smart, very fleet of foot and like Riley can extend the
play. The QB position is in extremely capable and courageous hands. Most importantly, BYU will be just fine.
DuckyI'm glad you don't have a problem with me getting on these byu
articles. The last three Utah articles you have been the first to post. I am
not the one that made this a U v Y thing, you are, re-read your post. I read
the article about the kid and was quite pleased how he has approached his
experience. There really wasn't anything for me to say until you made it a U/Y
thing. Where do the feelings of the U that you have come from?
There are people like USAlover, or the guy from So. Cal that just don't know any
better but you I would certainly not want to run into you with my Utah Hoodie
on, something happened to you to have such feelings of Utah and it's athletic
Everybody loves teh backup QB...does teh name Riley Nelson ring a bell?
Lark seems like a good kid. Maybe he'll get his chance vs Tulsa!====Just a thought:I wonder if ALL of these scholarship
back-up QBs really, really want to play as starter OR if some are simply content
being back-up, playing on the practice squads, travelling with the team, going
to college for free, enjoying the college experience---and doing it all without
the stress of being the starter. I'm sure there are those who can't stand being
on the bench, but I'm guessing there are those who are OK with mop-up duty.===="If you were to combine the career performances of Heaps
(So.), Nelson (Jr.), Lark (Jr.), and Munns (So.), they would have completed 493
of 656 passes for 5,293 yds and 34-TDs.If you were to do so
similarly with Wynn (Jr.), Hays (Jr.), Robles (So.), and Shreve (Fr.), they
would have completed 461 OF 779 passes for 5,656 yds and 40-TDs."Shhhh! Naval Vet. BYU "fans" are so fond of thinking of their school
as being the only one to even play the position of QB....
Please take a deep breath and read my post again DH, you were an
afterthought. But now that you brought it up............ sounds like the
Utes own you. You can't even give Lark the kudo's he deserves without bringing
up the Utes. Com'n really, do you need a hug?
@duddmanAnd yet you entire presence on this article is
"trolling" and instead of posting anything at all about the subject at
hand you spent your entire post complainging about another poster. I own you
guys. I can at anytime get an angst filled response out of any of you.LOL!
@BigCougarI think what flatlander was doing was expressing his angst
at BYU getting most of the good qb recruits while utah is left with the dregs. I
understand why this pains him and you perfectly explained it.
Portland Beaver, I was thinking the same thing then read your post. Good
story about a young man who seems to be doing well but as you said the resident
troll has to make it into something it isn't. Almost have to feel sorry
for him; not Lark, sounds like the young man will do just fine, it's that other
poor guy that needs at least an extra hug if not counseling. Second post and
he's already fired up over some perceived slight pounding on his keyboard. LOL
@flatlander"BYU recruits more quarterbacks than they need"The flipside to that is exactly what Kyle did to his QB depth at Utah
this year. He absolutely destroyed Utah's first season in the Pac 12 by holding
such little regard for the most important position on the team and thinking he
could get by with a brittle Jordan Wynn and a DII backup. All of his best
athletes at QB were moved to other positions without adequate recruiting to back
fill for them.It was an absolutely egregious mistake on his part and
is arguably worse than any of the gaffs that Crowton committed during his tenure
at BYU. If Utah had a decent backup QB ready to go, they had a cakewalk to the
Pac12 title game (the Pac12 had already gifted them the easiest conference
schedule by far!) and a chance at playing in a BCS bowl game their first year in
the conference.So, in contrasting the 2 approaches, I'll take
Bronco's approach and have as many quality backups as I can get rather than
Kyles and end up shooting his team's chances in the foot.
@beavWhen a known ute troll comes onto a BYU article with the
intention of getting a dig in on BYU then he is the one starting the BYU/utah
"thing". Just because he doesn't mention utah by name doesn't mean we
don't know who he is and what he is trying to accomplish based on past
transgressions. Of course you would never even know it occured if you weren't
trolling up a BYU article now would you?For the record I have no
problem with you being in a BYU article whining and complaining, frankly I like
having ute trolls here as it is fun, but don't complain when you or any other
utah troll gets answered and called out for your transparent digs.
USAlover:"I love when Ute fans get jealous of BYU's multiple QB
options. It only reminds them of the hack jobs they have currently."If you were to combine the career performances of Heaps (So.), Nelson
(Jr.), Lark (Jr.), and Munns (So.), they would have completed 493 of 656 passes
for 5,293 yds and 34-TDs.If you were to do so similarly with Wynn
(Jr.), Hays (Jr.), Robles (So.), and Shreve (Fr.), they would have completed 461
OF 779 passes for 5,656 yds and 40-TDs. And OUR signal callers didn't get to
pad our stats with as many WAC teams as YOUR guys did.Heaps and
Munns each have 2-yrs in the cougars' system; Nelson and Lark each have 3.
That's an aggregate of 10-yrs. Conversely, with Wynn's 3-yrs, Robles 2, and
Hays and Shreve's 1, they aggregate to 7. Nevertheless, Utah's QBs have
collectively thrown for over 360 more yards, and 7 more TDs. Admittedly, our QB
situation is far from ideal, but if you're going to go out and label Utah's
field generals as "hack jobs", and they've outperformed yours, please
remind us again of what it is that the Y possesses that we should be so
Y Grad Pumping Gas | 5:59 a.m. Dec. 22, 2011:"Waist of
talent"Juvenile Ute trolls who don't know how to spell will
never be mistaken for BYU alums. They only embarass themselves.I'm
hoping our young coaching staff never has to learn the Heaps lesson again. No
one should come aboard feeling entitled. If some hotshot legend in his own mind
wants some specal deal to sign for BYU, he can go get that deal somewhere else.
Thidder | 12:54 p.m. Dec. 22, 2011 MAPLETON, UT "Any
quarterback needs to decide which is more important:playing a reasonable amount
of time; or getting a quality education in the likelihood of never getting to
play.The risk is selecting the wrong school where both options are
unavailable. Unfortunately this is what occurs at BYU every year."Really? More so than anywhere else?I don't think so.
@ClarkHippo"2. The benefit is also he will receive a college
education, so he doesn't end up spending his whole life pumping gas."Touché
In 2000, when Brandon Doman was a junior at BYU, he started the season third
string. After the first and second string QBs suffered season ending injuries,
he stepped in and played good enough ant the end of 2000 to be named the
starting QB in 2001. After 2001, he was drafted by the 49ers.On the
flip side, in 1988, Sean Covey was the starting QB for BYU, but suffered a late
season injury and in stepped Ty Detmer. Covey spent 1989, his senior
year, as Detmer's backup, and ended up only playing in the fourth quarter of
games in which BYU was already way ahead.Doman was patient, waited
for his chance and when he got it, he made the most of it.Covey lost
his chance, mostly through no fault of his own, but during a speech I heard
LaVell Edwards make several years ago, he said Covey showed tremendous character
in accepting his new position as Detmer's backup and LaVell said he has never
forgotten it.Who know what will happen in 2012, but just from
reading this article, I can see James Lark has tremendous character, just like
Sean Covey. And if he gets a chance to start like Brandon Doman did, who knows?
Any quarterback needs to decide which is more important:playing a reasonable
amount of time; or getting a quality education in the likelihood of never
getting to play.The risk is selecting the wrong school where both
options are unavailable. Unfortunately this is what occurs at BYU every year.
Any player with great potential but coming into a program like BYU needs to
think twice. IF leaving with only a new bride is all to show for four years,
then it is a long cold experience.
For all those who claim that Lark would be starting somewhere else...please see
closed BYU file labelled: "Heaps". Nothing is certain. As
a huge Nelson fan, even I would LOVE to see Lark play. I suspect BYU wouldn't
miss a beat, but would march to a different one. Under Lark's arm strength and
height, the offense could be a bit more conventional. Lark is the strongest BYU
qb, better arm than Nelson (and I think Nelson's arm is just fine-look at
completion percentage), better legs than Heaps. He just hasn't had his shot.Nelson is likely to be injured because of how he plays. Lark will get
his chance. Lark has the physique to consider the next level. If he has been
doing his homework on the bench, BYUs offensive schemes will have prepped him
for a shot at the NFL.
That was a nice read for me about this kid. I love how the ducky and USAlover
made it into a Utah BYU thing. The Y has had some great QB's and I got to watch
them all kick my Utes. There has been no one that I have seen that had the
touch of McMaghn, no who could escape like S Young, and no one that had the
control like Dettmier. But guys it's getting old, yes we had a rough go this
year, but in all for the last 10-15 years we have had a good QB (one first
founder, first pick).I have no idea how you two got to make this a U
vs Y thing except I do know that at least one of you is so obsessed with what
Utah does it's funny (here's a clue "LOL"). I read all the comments,
didn't see one Ute fan degrade this kid at all. Heck, I hope he gets a chance
it's sounds like you would be a better team with this guy.Merry
@Y Grad Pumping GasYou said - "Waist of talent, hope he didn't
have aspirations beyond college. The benefit is that he gets some really neat T
shirts with cool slogans on them."1. The success of a college
football player is not always measured by whether or not he makes it to the NFL.
If Lark had a super big ego and thought he was the next Brett Favre, he would
have bolted from BYU a long time ago.2. The benefit is also he will
receive a college education, so he doesn't end up spending his whole life
RE USAlover:You must have forgotten what happened in September when
those "Hack Jobs" beat down our beloved Cougars. I realize the Utes
may not have the best QBs but I can't stand my fellow BYU fans who are
condescending after a thourough thumping.
Golf33He learned a great lesson from Kavengia, Unga, Hall, and many,
many others who left a school they felt they were not developing at or playing
and find one that would be a better fit for him. Y fan needs to back off Heaps
he has every right to bail on the Y and this coaching staff (and fans) to go
find a school that will help him develope and play. Y fan needs to quit being
critical of Heaps for doing what so many have done to other schools and leave
them and go to the Y. But typical Y fan doesn't see it that way.lol
USAlover | 11:26 a.m. Dec. 22, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT"I
love when Ute fans get jealous of BYU's multiple QB options. It only reminds
them of the hack jobs they have currently.Recommend"Well,
it's fine with me considering the fact that my Utes have recruited fairly decent
QB's without a lot of hype and still stick if to little brother 7 out of the
last 10 and the last game 54-10. I'm still a happy camper. Apparently QB's
aren't what make a team great....
I love when Ute fans get jealous of BYU's multiple QB options. It only reminds
them of the hack jobs they have currently.
Hats of to Lark. He sounds like an absolute stud. Maybe jake could have learned
a little from these two vet qb's.. I wish Lark would get a chance and do well,
because it sounds like he deserves it. I know the "best" player plays
and i'm not wishing anything on Riley. I wish them all the best. This article
just makes my heart go out to Lark.
Jake Heaps could have learned a lesson or two from James Lark.
Lark will likely get a shot before his career is over. Nelson is likely to get
hurt at some point. Lark's perseverence will serve him well throughout his
life.Merry Christmas to all of the ankle biting trolls and bitter
BYU-haters. I hope you can find some Christmas joy and something to cheer for
other than others misfortune and pain.
RE: Y Grad Pumping Gas "The benefit is that he gets some really neat T
shirts with cool slogans on them." Love it! Seriously, thanks for putting a
smile on my face. Very funny.
Un-sung heroes of the BYU football team that usually do not get called on to
perform. But if they did they would. Not just the QB position either. Royce Bybee was one that was the same. He was a Jr College All American
at Ricks who came to BYU and ended up backing up McMahon who came in for the
injured Wilson. McMahon was the back up. Then he got a chance and you know
what happened. But Royce? He was a fantastic QB. Who was the better QB?
Guess we will never know as he did not get a chance but I know what I think.
Another was Young behind Montana. Two great QB's but different. Young finally
gets his chance and look what happened. People will argue that Montana was
better but you can't convince me. Both great. Young the better all around QB.
So Lark, Hats off to you. I know you are a great QB just itching for
a chance to show what you have. Be ready as Riley seems to have a history of a
few injuries. With Heaps gone you are the man.
Good job James for stickin it out and not being a baby like Jake Heaps!
Lark is not a walk-on so his so he has a lower status with Bronco. Further,
Nelson will start no matter what he does on the field because fumbles and
interceptions just show how much he tries and how badly he wants to win. Do
you know he actually receives kicks during practice. We have to find a way for
him to stay with the team forever...no one could ever be better than Nelson.
Maybe he can change is name and play 4 more years and then 4 more. Bronco loves
him and will never say anything negative about him. No other quarterback has
ever been as good as Nelson. It does not matter that he can't throw the
ball...just having him on the field matters most.
Definitely the best college quarterback in Utah right now, unless somehow Nelson
"This not how"? Another oversight of the DN Sports Department. Editor
must have started an early Christmas break. With that being said, what's not to
like about Lark?
It is so great to see the attitude of this young man. Very positive. This is
one good thing that has come from Heaps transferring. I wish them all well, but
wouldn't it be great to see Lark in action, in crunch time, on the field.
Another Mark Wilson in the making. And what a compliment to BYU
itself, that he should think his time there was priceless, even without playing.
Most understand the "politics" of playing at almost any level from
grade school to D-1. Coaches also don't always pick the best players, i.e.
check games won and stats for Nelson v Heaps. I remember when Randall
Cunningham was third-string at UNLV until a couple of injuries to others. Matt
Cassel never started a game at USC while behind Matt Leinert, but MC has started
more games in the NFL than ML. Coach Dave Rice, now back at UNLV is doing
nicely as a coach well but never started as he had five all-americans ahead of
him while playing at UNLV. Tough lessons all arond, but those who persever will
come out on top one way or the other.
He's got a great attitude. He has decided to stick around and compete. People
are acting like his career is over. Let's think about it for a moment. Next
season let's say something happens to Nelson like it did this year where he had
to sit out a game (not wishing it on him). Lark gets in and blows up for 400
yds and 4 td's. Get's the next start and does the same. Has a brilliant Sr
season then gets drafted. It could happen. Anything could happen. The point
is, he stuck it out, worked hard, and is now the backup with a great chance to
play next year. Even if it's just in the 3rd and 4th qtr. Now he's got a great
education (paid for) and has earned a lot of respect from his team, coaches, and
fans. Good luck James!
And don't forget about Jason Munns. He too was a highly recruited QB and he's
mired in the 3rd slot behind Lark. He too could have transferred elsewhere. I
admire these young men who make a commitment and a decision and stick with it.
That has a lasting character impact far beyond scoring TDs.
There are what 90+ scholarshipsdozens of walk-onsseverl QB'sThe game only allows 11 of them the field at the same time. A 12th is 15
yards.Every athlete knows 24/7 he is competing with and in many
cases his new best friend for the glory of being on the turf during those 60
minutes when 60K+ fans are looking down on them. James just happens
to be the 2nd best QB on the roster right now, if the coaching staff thought he
would get them a better performance than the other he would be No.1James seems to have a great attitude, that he is getting an education in
learning and life, that will assist him greatly in the years to come. I too wish him well here at BYU and in life especially.
Coming in second is something that no one plans for. Lark is a winner and at
least he can "fall back" on this quality education, something not all
athletes have available.
He could have started anywhere else, he also had the rights to transfer. he
didnt do it, and its his choice. Id love to see a great QB competition this
spring with Lark and Nelson.
It sounds like flatlander needs to read the article again. How does Lark really
feel about being at BYU? Is is so sad that he has not been the starting QB for
the last three years? I am glad that he has something to fall back on since he
did not win the starting position. Life is more than football and Lark has
received a great education at on of the finest Universities in the country along
with some valuable lesssons in life and values that he would not have received
Waist of talent, hope he didn't have aspirations beyond college.The
benefit is that he gets some really neat T shirts with cool slogans on them.
I think that if Lark was only at BYU to be the starter, he would be making
recruiting trips to the ....... Midwest shall we say?.... over the break, not
preparing to go to Texas for a bowl game. Some quarterbacks come to BYU to get a
chance to start, but never get it. Some quarterbacks demand that they start or
they will leave. Let's just note that right now Lark has a full ride scholarship
waiting for him this coming Winter semester....some former BYU QBs don't have
such a guarantee it seems right now.
I thought from the title that this was about Lark's reflections. Why so many
quotes from the ever present Nelson?
@flatlander: Every school recruits more QB's than they need.I wish
no ill will to Riley, but I would love to see Lark get some legitimate playing
He would be a 4 times all american at any other school
@flatlanderQB's choose to go to BYU, no one forces them to. They do
it because of the great qb history BYU has and the desire and opportunity to
compete to be the next great BYU QB. But of course not all of them can. Do you feel it is equally as sad for all the great rb's that never start
for USC or all of the great whatevers that never start either? That is just the
way it is, not everyone will start and play. I give Lark credit for
wanting to compete and sticking with it all the way through. As far as BYU
"recruiting more than they need" well that is the definition of depth.
Get all the great players you can. That is what everyone tries to do. In BYU's
case they can, and do, get a lot of great QB's. In utah's case they can't, and
don't, get many of them at all.
It is really a sad story. BYU recruits more quarterbacks than they need and
praise them all hoping they can keep them all just in case they need them and
guys like Lark could play at many other schools.