It's done, time to move on!
It is so easy to make judgments without facts: you simply engage your personal
bias and spew. People were sure there was no communication between Jake and the
coaches, that he was going to take his fellow recruits with him, or that BYU
dropped the ball. Even adjusting for political spin, it looks as
though the "rift" between Heaps and Doman was non-existent. Clearly
Apo, Stout and Van Noy are still with the team, and Jake is looking at Kansas. I
guess Charlie Weis is going to have to make him an NFL star. We'll know in three
or four years.
Why are we still dwelling on this very over done story ? Heaps is out, bye-bye,
gone, so long, later, lets get over this old and distracting story.
BYU coaches, please stop the blatant facade. Heaps' transfer is a bad reflection
on BYU and the coaching staff, espcially Bronco and Brandon (B&B? Is that
the origin of the "Band of Brothers"?) Now they are trying to be
diplomatic about the whole thing. Sad!
Mendenhall said he didn't necessarily try to convince Heaps to stay at BYU.Doman wasn't surprised that Heaps ultimately decided to leave...Sounds like coaches really pulled out all the stops to keep Heaps at
Answer: All the time.Question: How often does this type of thing
happen in college football?Spin it all you want. BYU is going to
turn this into a win/win. Heaps wasn't willing to stick around and beat out
Riley Nelson. If he can find a program that will accept that attitude and work
ethic (or lack thereof), then the more power to him.My allegiance
goes to BYU and the men that play for that team.Go Cougs!
Of course they wanted him to stay. Coaches want all the options they can get. If
the quarterbacks that come in over the next couple of years don't work out, they
have one with some game experience. But Heaps wants to play and you can't blame
him for that. He saw that he will probably be a back-up the rest of his career
at BYU and he doesn't want that. I do hope that his impatience and unwillingness
to complete for the job doesn't do him in. It does seem that he thinks he should
be anointed the started (like is was originally) rather than have to win the
job. I think his only chance to play on a regular basis is to move on to a WAC
or MWC school. He will be a backup anywhere else.
Heaps should read the article on "Writing a Failure Resume" in
yesterday's D-News. I think it is sad he couldn't suck it up and learn from the
situation. He played poorly this year and stomped off when it didn't suit him to
sit on the bench. The first thing he needs to improve is his attitude. I don't agree that the coaches should have made a stronger effort to keep him.
It's Heap's decision after all. I hope you that disagree let your kids decide
once in a while on their life's course...
Kouger, there is no diplomacy going on here. If you knew anything at all about
Brandon Doman, you would know that he is as honest as the day is long. He is
merely telling it the way it was.Players all want to play every
minute of every game. Jake Heaps has ambition to play in the NFL, and cannot
see himself getting there if he is not the starting QB in College. He obviously
cares more about himself than he does about the team. When you are that way,
your team-mates see it in you, and you do not get their support. I think it
speaks volumes that Apo, Stout and Van Noy are not going anywhere with him.
They have seen that he is not up to the hype. For me, he was great until put
under pressure. I am sixty years of age, but could QB a team against some of
the teams that he has led the Cougars to beat. (I played a real man's game,
Rugby League, at a high level, in the position equivalent of the QB, and it is
when the going is tough that people look to you to step up.)
Why are we still talking about Jake Heaps???? Apply you principles "Forgive
This is too Funny for words.
As to who to believe according to this article, between the BYU Coaches and the
spinning Pundits, about the why's and wherefore's, I am in the coaches corner.
What you have here is a young man who thought the whole world
revolved around him. When it stopped, he checked out.
BYUfaninWashSt | 11:42 p.m. Dec. 19, 2011 Mendenhall said he didn't
necessarily try to convince Heaps to stay at BYU.Doman wasn't
surprised that Heaps ultimately decided to leave...Sounds like
coaches DID communicate with him regularly, and unlike what others would have
perhaps done, they tried to help him make a decision that was best for JAKE.
They wanted him, they invested a lot of time in him, they loved him (in a manly,
football sort of way), but they didn't try to do what was best for the coaches,
the team or BYU, but what was best for Jake.I don't have a problem
with that, why do you?
It's unfortunate, I wish he'd stay. I think it's a bad decision. It's not often
a quarterback transfers and it ends up working out better for him.
Heaps decision to transfer is not a reflection on BYU coaches at all. It's only
a reflection on Jake. Jake lost the starting QB job to a 2 star rated QB, once
again proving how meaningless the stars are. I'm sure Jake knew he
would not be the starter next year, once Riley got the starting nod against
Hawaii and performed superbly.Jake couldn't handle the rejection or
adversity and decided to seek greener pastures. The coaches didn't push him out
of the program or kick him off the team. He decided to leave, and it was his
decision.That's the story. Let's quit analyzing it over and over.
Thousands of kids transfer from one college to another for many different
reasons. He transfered, it's over, let's be done with it. The only
other story I want to read about Jake is where he transfers to, and we should
know that within the next week. I don't need to know why he chose the school
over another. I don't need to know where he held the press conference to
announce his new school. I don't need to know when they will win a National
Championship or Heisman.
Imature with a big ego. He has a lot of growing up to do.
Kouger you are a come on man comment. The coaches did not make him go after the
DB on the pick 6 at Ole Miss. I like Jake, but the Junior High move with the bad
snap against Utah did him in. That was stupid! But the decision came down to
his wife she was humiliated at a game. Bronco wants fighters.
Re. ed in atl...It was reported on local media that Jake's wife was not
humililiated by fans at a game, the people who were alledged to have said some
unkind things to her, were not even at the game. This according to recent media,
but it could be incorrect.
Everybody needs to stop criticizing Mendenhall and Doman!! What choice did they
have? Heaps looked terrible and was clearly not producing!! They are measured
by wins and losses, not who is playing quarterback!! Jake Heaps, on the other
hand, saw it completely diffently. He felt he should be the starter no matter
how pathetic the offense was or whether the team won or lost. It wasn't about
wins or losses for Jake, it was about whether he would be drafted in the first
round!! His decision to leave was purely selfish and based on a tantrum after
he was told that he needed to learn and develop more as a D1 quaterback. How
can anyone out there say that Heaps deserved to be the starting q-back after the
way he played this year? I'm sure that the only question JH asked
Charlie Weiss at Kansas or any other coach for that matter is this: I'll be the
starting quarterback, RIGHT?!!
College players don't play football for life lessons. They play for a shot at
the big time. There is nothing wrong with wanting to go to the NFL. All the
players at BYU should want that. They should all strive for that level of play.
The team is not going to win a national championship any time soon, so why not
shoot for the NFL?Unwillingness to compete? He competed for the
starting job and lost. He was never going to win in this offensive scheme. He
recognized that. Since when is it wrong to stop beating your head against a
brick wall? When you realize the wall will win, you should try something else.
You don't stay around until your dead. Do we tell battered women to stay with
thier abusive husbands? "Come on tough it out, take one for the
family!" (I'm totally not calling Heaps a battered woman).
Jake's decision to transfer clearly says as much about Bronco as it does about
Heaps.Bronco likes kids like himself. But, high profile QBs are not
'mudders'.SO now, when do you think BYU will get another
"national" recruit at Quarterback?
Through all the years of watching BYU football, I see that they choke when it
really counts to win. Those losses to Texas, Utah, TCU, etc. were team errors.
The fans are in fantasy world thinkning the Cougars will go to a National
Championship--no chance. National Championships = no choking in clutch
situations. Heaps left because he probably saw a program in a fantasy
I think Jake would have had a shot at starting after a redshirt season and his
best chance at success was at BYU. That being said, he has to do what he thinks
is best for him. Some would do what is best for their team. Sad to see him go
but I hope he reaches his full potential somewhere. I would guess that his
"team" of parents and handlers had a big role in him moving on.
When the coaches didn't start Jake in the Hawaii game, they were saying:
"GOODBYE! Don't let the door hit you on the way out."
Dustman, Do you really believe that Jake would be leaving if he was STILL the
starting q-back? To Jake, how well he played had NOTHING to do with his
decision to leave!!!!!!! The fact the BM and Doman DID care how the team played
IS the reason JH is leaving!!
Two words: "Damage Control"
Kyle Van Noy was not part of Jake's recruiting class. The "Big 3" that
committed together were Heaps, Apo and Zac Stout. Van Noy committed the year
before but then couldn't enroll in school in time because of a run-in with the
It seems that the people of Utah need a reminder that we lost to Texas, almost
lost to Ole Miss, had a humiliating loss to Utah, and then we almost lost to
Utah State. Jake Heaps was not good for BYU and BYU was not a fit for Jake
Heaps. Good Luck Jake! I truly hope you find a program that works
for you. It's time to learn to take a hit and learn how to win football games!
SLCguy,You've probably heard of Mangum and he's about as
"national" as they get, having won the Elite 11 QB competition. Ask
Trent Dilfer what he thinks about Tanner and his potential at the college level.
Re: justmeagain,I agree wholeheartedly with you. And besides
learning to deal with any kind of pocket pressure, he needs to learn to put a
little touch on the ball instead of throwing it 100 mph every time. If he can
learn those two things he'll be an NFL QB and BYU fans will wish he had stayed.
Those two things are a big "if" however.
I hope the young man can land on his feet. A couple more years of fighting to
start would have been great for his development, would have made him better.
All of the great BYU quarterbacks of the past were second string at one point.
You can learn from it. You don't have to be first string from the get go.Well again I wish him well, and I really hope he doesn't live to regret
Some of you people make me laugh. As if you know what's really going on and
you've never sniffed a football in your life.Good luck to Heaps in
the future. I think if he would have been willing to red shirt next year and
then play two he would have been a really good quarterback for BYU.
The two coaches failed. They took a top talent and could not develop him. They
could not motivate or prepare their team. Be it Jake against Utah or Nelson
against TCU, the BYU team on the field was a very poor representation of the
school. When the head coach can only praise walk-ons and the offensive
cordinator can't prepare a game plan why would someone with Jake's skills want
to just sit around knowing he will never be given a chance. You certainly don't
see any other schools rushing to hire either of these guys. Instead of leading
men, they seem to think they are dealing with boy scouts. BYU apparently wants
only walk-ons. Winning 7 or 8 games a year is apparently the goal beating Idaho
and NMSU. I don't think we will ever be free from Nelson now...he'll move to
graduate assistant to coaching assistant. They guy is just wonderful. Now if
he could just throw the ball and keep his composure some day he might be a
qaurterback. My 4 tickets that I have held for 25 years are not going to be
purchased again as long as we have these coaches.
I think alot of it is just bad luck. Look at Boise State playing a 6-6 weak
Arizona State team because their kicker could not make a 20 yard field goal.
Same thing happened last year to BYU after a stellar game by Heaps at Utah. He
will get better if he applies the lessons he has learned. BYU with Taysom Hill
backing up Nelson next year is well stocked at quarterback. With no running
game this year it hurt also.
Jake, better make sure you get your degree, wherever you end up. You'll need it
after your college eligibility is exhausted. "Toto! We're not in Kansas
anymore." Mark my word, Heaps will be a bust anywhere else. His best
opportunity was to stay & redshirt. The ego on this guy is large enough to
fill a room. Too bad his talent & performance didn't match up.
@SLCguyUh Tanner mangum, the mvp of the elite 11 camp and the #2
rated qb prospect in the country is committed to sign with them this year. So
the answer to your question"SO now, when do you think BYU will
get another "national" recruit at Quarterback?"is....immediately. And of course he just goes along with Taysom Hill a
national recruit transferring from Stanford and all of the other national
recruits already on thier roster.
SLC Guy- The way this turned out, why do we *want* to bring in another
"national" recruit? We have done pretty well over the years with guys
who are willing to work hard instead of those who think they are the greatest
and all should be handed to them. Also, Bronco handled Jake the same way he
handles recruits. He doesn't try to convince his recruits to come here, just
like he didn't try to convince Jake to stay. He lets them decide what they want
to do. I believe the paper is still writing articles on this subject is because
this is the first time the coaches have commented. I think that's worth reading,
since they were involved. In conclusion, the coaches gave Jake more chances than
they should have. He had the chance and he stunk it up.
To everyone who dislikes national recruits:All you have to do is
look at the national recruits the SEC gets...they win national championships
@ Wayne Rout:Your comments are laughable. Do you have some inside
info the rest of us and the media don't have access to? Do you know that neither
coach has had no other offers? 7 or 8 games a year? How many 10 Win seasons has
Mendenhall and BYU had laely? Not sure where you're comeing from, but please
stay there. You provide good humor.@ estreetshuffle: You are likely
a come lately football fan. Those of us who've been around a while have seen
plenty of pressure wins from BYU. Was this season a little light? You bet, but
history will out in the end and BYU will be just fine without Jake Heaps. Wish
him well wherever his next press conference is held and his next claim to the
Heisman is declared.
It is amazing the spin that comes out of this story. Doman and Mendenhall
wanted Heaps to stay, and just like every coach you want your guys to be happy.
This was Jake's decision and he decided to leave. I personally was hoping he
would stay and red shirt next year but he has made the decision and the coaches
respect that and it would be foolish to convince someone to stay when they don't
want to. As for Apo, Stout, & Van Noy I am happy they have decided to stay.
Van Noy is a great LB and he brings speed to the LB position. Stout has been
injured but he does have a lot of talent and Apo had a breakout year and he will
have a great career at B.Y.U.
I understand that Jake is also interested in changing his last name toE-N-T-I-T-L-E-M-E-N-T.
Wayne RoutCan I have your tickets?Seriously, I should
treat you more respectfully, because you sound like you have been around that
long. Just some updates for your file: Riley will not be a graduate assistant.
He will be a med school student. You also may not have a strong
grasp of statistics, but Riley DOES throw, well. Hang in, Wayne.
Two disappointing years in a row does NOT the end of a dynasty signal.
Maybe he read Vai's column telling him to leave.Thanks Vai! It's all
Too bad it's not Doman and Bronco that are transfering!!
I know Jake and his family and I have spoken to them many times about this
situation. Jake just felt that it would be better for all involved to leave.
He didn't really like the direction of the program and felt that his talents
were more suited to a pro style offense rather than the spread where the
quarterback is going to run 50% of the time.
This article and the one written by a pot stirer in Salt Lake's alternative
newspaper are just lame attempts to create a story where none exists. There is
no connection between Heaps' transfer and BYU coaches just as there is no truth
to these newsboy-generated rumors about a rift between any player and a
coach.Nothing to see here folks. Just move along. Keep moving.
Why are we all discussing a player who isn't even on our team? Best wishes to
him. Go Cougs!
54-10, are you saying then that Jake would have transferred if he was still the
starting quarterback? C'mon, this is sooo stupid!! Jake failed at
BYU of all places, the worst football program in your eyes, I'm sure. If he
couldn't make it at BYU with his unbelievable arm and football talents how in
the world is he going to make it at a 'real' football program?Next
time you talk to his family, ask them why Jake feels entitled to be a starting
quarterback without actually having to produce on the field?
RE: 54-10 "I know Jake and his family and I have spoken to them many times
about this situation." Thanks soooo much. I feel so better informed of
Jake's decision, knowing that you know Jake & have actually spoken to his
family. I happen to know Jordan's family down here in my neck of the woods. We
all, too, have questions about the direction your troll offense is going. Feliz
Navidad! in El Paso.
Great. Now we're all excited about Tanner Magnum coming in, but a nagging
question remains "can this coaching staff develop future-NFL
talent?"The hopes surrounding Magnum match the hopes we had for
Heaps.What will this coaching staff do differently? Talent comes with
ego. Can the staff handle it?
Jake transferred because he saw no future at BYU going forward. You don't leave
a job you like. I think personally Jake didn't like the Doman offense - sort of
a run and shoot style offense that wasn't conducive to Jake's skills as a drop
back pocket passer. Also I think Jake wanted a shot at playing on a bigger stage
- a BCS conference. I'm sure Doman wanted Jake back but I doubt Jake would have
ever come to BYU in the first place without Anae. Any way you slice it, BYU is
losing a really good QB and I think the run first offense of Doman isn't going
to sit too well with long time Cougar fans.
So. Cal Reader,El Paso to watch Georgia Tech or.....Dallas to watch TULSA....Tough choice.Just kidding,
I'll go to El Paso. It's not about the location, it's about the football game. Y
fans, really? You only support your team if they play in vacation spots??
The one good thing about Heaps transferring to Kansas (if that is where he goes)
is that noone cares about Kansas football - even KU fans. Heaps will be able to
fly under the radar screen rather well there. BYU fans will care more about how
Heaps does than Kansas fans. Heck, Utah fans will care more about how Heaps does
than Kansas fans.
Re: GoGetter "El Paso to watch Georgia Tech or..... Dallas to watch
TULSA....Tough choice." Ummm. I'd take Dallas/Forth Worth any time!
Good, bad or indifferent, we were locked into our bowl. But, from what I read
before the season started, you guys were already punching your tickets to
Pasadena. That's what I find so humorous. El Paso is a tad different than
Pasadena. And with USC back in the mix next year and the way you're offense was
going, perhaps you can get a "repeat" to El Paso again, since,
apparently, you like it so much."You only support your team if
they play in vacation spots??" Actually, Cougs fans support our team
wherever they play. There seems to be a pretty strong nat'l following to our
team. Don't know if you've noticed that yet.
Re: Band of Roscoes,I'm going to call Troll on you but seriously?
It's the coaches fault that Heaps failed? I'm sorry but I watched every game
Jake played at BYU and Jake has no one to blame but himself for losing his
starting job. He had series after series to prove that he was good enough and
the plethora of over-thrown or of-the-mark passes, going 100 mph, were proof
that he just wasn't ready to play at that level. I would've loved to see him
stay on and try to win the job in 2013 but I can't really say I'm disappointed
he left. From Nelson to Hill to Mangum BYU football will be just fine for the
next 6 years +.
Amen, Giantfan!! Right on the mark!!
@ loveless:If jake was still the starting QB, it would mean BYU was
not running this current offense. For Jake to be successful, he needs to be in
a prostyle offense. This is not a pro style offense. As long as BYU continues
to run this offense, Jake will not be successful. Jake thinks he can be
successful in a program that runs an offense suitable to his skill set, ie. not
requireing the QB to run with the ball.You don't have to rip apart a
guy for wanting to be successful according to the tools he has. He knows he
can't run the ball. I hope Lark is as good as everyone says. If
Riley is getting his shoulders numbed up before every game, it makes you wonder
how much longer he'll last. Even if Heaps stayed and Riley got hurt, this
doesn't mean BYU would change their offense to a pro style system.
54-10 and patriot:Neither one of you know what your talking
about.Doman pretty much single handedly recruited Heaps. And Heaps
himself said Doman was a major reason he came to BYU. He said nothing about
Anae. Secondly, the spread offense was Anae's offense of last year.
Doman switched to a Pro style offense this year to fit Heaps' style and skills,
then modified it when Riley became the starter. So please, have some type of
grasp of offenses before spouting mistruths.And 54-10-- I, too,
"know Jake and his family" probably as well as you do, and even though
Utah was interested, they tell me Jake would sooner quit football altogether
than transfer to Utah. ;-)
Heaps chose poorly when he picked BYU. Doman's highly touted new offense was a
bust, and the players around Heaps were caught in a world of confusion. Heaps
did not have the support he needed because Doman was in the process of revamping
everything.It is a tragedy that Heaps did not go to Stanford with
someone like Harbaugh or to Cal with Tedford.He wasted two good
years with wannabees. Fortunate for him that he is leaving. He may be able to
salvage his career. The coaching talent at BYU is not commensurate with his
talent and potential.
"Doman invested a lot of time recruiting Heaps, building a relationship
with him, and developing him as a quarterback." -- Jeff CallNo
he didn't. Heaps' parents are both Y grads, and Jake was born with a road map
to Provo. Doman just happened to be the QB coach at the time Heaps committed.
Looks like Doman is just trying to take credit for the perception of a
"major recruiting coup" when he SHOULD be taking credit for not
developing that player. The only "recruiting coup" Doman MIGHT be
able to take credit for was committing Nelson while he was on his mission.Heaps leaving isn't really going to hurt the cougars, but his COMPLETE
arrested development should be shining a major spotlight on Doman's coaching
failure.Next Doman might start trying to take credit for Nelson's
"gritty" and "instinctive" play. Nelson has talent, but he
had those skills all along. He didn't get them from Doman.
@ USALover"Maybe he read Vai's column telling him to leave.Thanks Vai! It's all your fault."Nice one! Now THAT was
Dustman, I can't ever recall hearing Doman or Mendenhall suggest that Jake
needed to run the ball. I have never seen a quarterback miss as many throws to
open receivers as Jake did this year. Doman ran the offense that gave JH the
best chance of succeeding on the fied. It was Jake who missed receivers, failed
to throw to the correct receiver, failed to read the defenses, and who failed to
garner the trust of his fellow teammates. Heap's failure has nothing to do with
the style of offense run, it has to do with his inability to perform on the
field, period. I'm very disappointed in the man, not the player! Jake has great
potential, but he should also be man enough to recognize that he might be able
to learn from others. What is he going to do when he has the same problems at
Kansas, Washington State, or wherever he goes? Probably quit!! Enough said.
loveless, jake overthrew 3 or 4 deep balls but was actually very accurate most
of the time. I remember a few timely drops by Mckay but his last two games he
was over 75% on his completions. In the early season Apo really struggled and
the running game was pathetic. He played really well his last 5 games last
year. Give the guy a break mister perfect he is very young.
Ok since you didn't put the last one in, I'll fix it. Heaps lets his eyes water
when he doesn't get his way. His mental toughness is in question.
I still wish he would consider the U....
Ballfan6, no one in their right mind would consider the school down south. come
on get real.
ya see, ballfan6, I just lost my mind!! How one can choose the school up NORTH
is beyond comprehension!!
giantfan, I think its a valid question. You say Jake has no one to blame but
himself as if coaching plays no part in college football. Even as Heaps is
throwing a "plethora of over-thrown or of-the-mark passes, going 100
mph", his head coach describes him as "NFL talent".Maybe "NFL talent" is Bronco's secret code for "has an
uncontrolled ego". I don't know. But for the average fan who was excited
to see Heaps join the program, now there is a bit of doubt as to how Magnum will
do. Hopefully the coaching staff learned a little about handling a
highly-talented player, and the next one won't get away too.
Jake lacked the confidence of his players as their quarterback. Plain and
simple. His work ethic was far below the team's expectations, especially when
they experienced Riley Nelson's leadership and interpersonal skills over the
summer as they worked out together. Where was Jake? No where to be found. If anything, the coaches coddled the boy too long, and he couldn't stand
up on his own two feet if his life depended on it. We all saw it unravel before
I'm tired of reading over and over again a false premise. The BYU offense at the
beginning of this year was tailor-made for Jake's skills. Go back and read some
preseason press (or watch a few games again). In no way did it rely on Jake's
speed (or lack thereof). With Riley as the starter, the offense has changed to
utilize his strengths. Doman knows enough to play off the strengths of the QB. I
assume Doman will play to QB strengths going forward.What did hamper
the team...and Heaps to an extent...was the lack of a consistent and effective
running game, as well as some indecision and growing pains with Doman adding OC
duties to his QB coach chores.Three things happened simultaneously
that showed improvement: 1) a better running game; 2) an OC upstairs gaining
experience; and 3) a generally softer schedule.Jake couldn't/didn't
get it done on the field, under fire, for whatever reason. He was given a great
shot. It didn't work. And he chose to leave. Best of luck to him as he goes
elsewhere and pursues his dream of NFL glory.Beat Tulsa!
Well, I know that Naval Vet is a U fan just trolling but Heaps' parents are UW
alumus and Jake even stated that he grew up a Husky fan. Doman was recruiting
head to head with Sarkisian when he was a new head coach up there. As a matter
of fact Sark was not too happy with Heaps turning him down and coming down to
Provo. He ended up doing a lot of behind the scenes stuff that negatively
affected Brother Heaps custom home building business. The Heaps' family took a
lot of heat locally for Jake's decision to play at BYU. Jake stated quite a few
times that Doman is why he came to Provo.
@vespariderYou'll find that naval lint seldom, if ever, knows what
he is talking about and even less seldom is he very truthful. His posts are
actually great comedy.As far as Heaps is concerned you are correct,
Heaps stated many times, including in his leaving interview, that Doman was the
biggest reason for him coming to BYU. Unfortunately Heaps just didn't pan out
here. Oh well. I wish he would have, I really do. I wish all the goals he had
set for himself and BYU had happened as they were lofty and grand. But they
didn't. I also wish he would have stuck it out and staid. So I wish him best of
luck at wherever he winds up and look forward to BYU being better next season
than they were this season.
Oh, and one other thing - isn't it an interesting coincidence how the Cougar
offense miraculously started to click at the very moment Riley entered the
second half of the Utah State game. Amazing, isn't it. You'll never
convince me that JH didn't have his chances. I was beginning to wonder if BYU
was ever going to win another football game before Nelson came in.
Band Of Roscoes | 2:29 p.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "Hopefully the coaching staff learned a little about handling a
highly-talented player, and the next one won't get away too."Jake's situation wasn't because he was highly talented. I suspect Mangum will
do just fine at BYU and won't need handling.
Both parties appear to be Ok with Jake's decision. Obviously BYU will be OK
because one player doesn't make a team. Time wil tell if Jake made the right
Roscoe,There's no doubt Jake has talent and even "NFL
talent". And what we also learned by watching Jake is that you need more
than just talent to be a successful QB--at any level. And coaching has a lot to
do with the success of a player, I know that. Where is it obvious, though, from
our 30,000 ft view of the situation that it was a coaching problem? We're not
privy to the conversations and practices that happen behind closed doors. What I
was privy to, in the multiple games I viewed with my own eyes, is that Jake
struggled when there was pressure, when the pocket collapsed. He seems to have
only one speed in throwing the ball and really struggles in putting some touch
on a throw to get it over a defender but have it land nicely in the arms of an
open receiver. Whenever he sensed any kind of pressure, his accuracy decreased
significantly. He may have all the talent in the world but if he can't solve the
issues between his ears, I don't care who his coaches are, he will not be a
giantfan / Duckhunter,Mangum is a fine QB no doubt. However, he was
not the state of Idaho's top HS QB this year. The ID HS POY went to the QB
who's team beat Mangum's team in the state championship game. That QB gave his
verbal commit to the University of Idaho. Just keeping things in perspective.
*sigh* I wonder what he's doing right now...
"Where is it obvious, though, from our 30,000 ft view of the situation that
it was a coaching problem?"We don't know, but the article gives
a strong hint:Mendenhall said he didn't necessarily try to convince Heaps
to stay at BYU."I just made sure he knew what he was
choosing," Mendenhall said. "That's all I ever do.So you
have a kid in a sophomore slump, trying to figure out if he fits in, trying to
figure out why he is struggling, and he got a "meh - go if you want"
attitude from the coaches. That's too bad.
Y coaches also wanted into the Pac 10, the Big 12 and the Big East and got NONE
of the above. Seems like 2011 will be the year of being left out for the Y.
The division in the locker room started last year when the coaches didn't take
control on the quarterback quandry. That is why the players played their hearts
out for Riley and not for Jake. It was totally a different team in the second
half of the Utah State game. It showed that the players had a different heart
when Riley went in. Jake should've never played last year. The coaching staff
screwed up by not redshirting him last year, which should have been their first
order of business. Being a Jake Heaps fan myself, I'll admit it. He was no where
ready to play at the division 1 collegiate level as a freshman. Lavell and Norm
would've never let this happen. Brandon Doman openly admitted to this fact in an
interview following a game this year. He finally took some blame for Heaps' lack
of production and also said that they blew it for not redshirting him and
letting him learn as a true freshman. I take my hat off to Doman for finally
admitting this, but as for Bronco? You will never hear him say these things to
the press. Jake will succeed, and BYU loses out.
Actually, there's credit due to both the coaches and Jake for how they've
handled this. They've really given the local Utah media nothing to cover, no
story to write, just a lot of blatantly obvious conjecture and rumor
mongering.I don't blame Jake for wanting to transfer. This shows
he's a competitive kid, I just wish his competitive spirit would've led him to
continue to try and improve so he could beat out Riley or take over after a R/S
year when Riley graduates. I'm sure part of his consideration in this decision
is the huge amount of fan expectation placed on BYU QB's and maybe he felt that
the damage was already done and that he'd never be able to win them back.As for Doman, he seemed to be pretty forthright about things from his
end and did a nice job of not speculating about Heaps' thoughts or feelings on
the matter. Maybe there were some hard feelings on Jake's part and Doman seemed
to be open to that fact but did a nice job staying out of the weeds.Both parties are behaving very classy in this split. Nice work to both sides.
Jake should head to Hawaii to learn from Norm.
Band Of Roscoes | 5:43 p.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT""I just made sure he knew what he was choosing," Mendenhall
said. "That's all I ever do."So you have a kid in a
sophomore slump, trying to figure out if he fits in, trying to figure out why he
is struggling, and he got a "meh - go if you want" attitude from the
coaches. That's too bad."Couldn't have said it better myself.
Heaps would have had to redshirt whether he transferred or not. He was pretty
much guaranteed the starting spot for his Jr. and Sr. year and he wouldn't have
to learn a new system with new players. Why would he do that? This had to be a
coaching issue. Doman blamed his losses on Heaps, how could he ever trust him
I continue to be amazed at how many Ute trolls thought Heaps was the worst QB in
FBS since the season began, and now they act like we have lost the best QB in
the history of BYU.
@utahbronco - top state quarterbacks don't commit to the University of Idaho.
Just keeping it in perspective.
I don't think that this is a good decision for BYU or Jake Heaps (as far as
Football goes).... BYU more than likely will not have has good of QB in 2013 and
2014 as they would have had if Heaps was willing to show some patience and
maturity and stay.... But BYU does have some good recruits in the pipeline and I
am hopeful that they will recover... 2013 will be a wide open year for the
position...I don't think that Heaps will do as well somewhere else
as he would have done had he stayed... In 2015, I think that he would have been
a First or Second Ronder, now I am afraid that he might be blowing his
opportunity for NFL preparation and he is doing it for a stupid reason.... There
are some pretty good NFL Qbs who came out of BYU and excelled because they Red
Shirted a year.In many ways this reminds me of the Michael Loyd
Decision.... BYU would be a much better team today had he stayed and he would
have a much better shot at the NBA had he stayed....
@PatriotTruth alert!The Pac 12 was never an option for
BYU, they've known that for 25 years.The Big 12 and BYU had talks, there
"Was" interest from the Big 12 toward BYU.The Big East
"Did" invite BYU, BYU said no thanks.And 2011 will be the
Year a declining Utah team, could have actually backed into the Pac-12
Championship game, "If", they had only been able to beat one of the 5
worst teams in America, a team which had not won a road game in 5 years, even,
the Colorado Buffalos. Colorado thanks you, for ending their
infamous streak.Talk about Wananbees!
When the going gets tough,Heaps gets gone.
Jake Heaps will do just fine at Kansas under Charlie Weiss. Weis is brining in
both Dayne Crist and Jake Heaps to run his offense. Crist has 1 year of
elegibilty left and he will play nex year. Heaps will then play the following
two years. There is good talent at Kansas with the receiving corps,and with the
addition of Charlie Weiss, will do pretty well with these two quarterbacks. BYU
will get to see just what Jake Heaps was capable of. Way to waste a 5 star
athlete for Riley Nelson.
@prep fanatic"way to waste a 5 star athlete for Riley
Nelson"I'd rather have a 1 star athlete that gets his team
mates to play hard for a whole game than a 5 star athlete that can't even get a
receiver to finish a route for him.Heaps was in it for himself and
his teammates could all sense it. Riley doesn't care about the NFL he wants BYU
to win the game next week.
Prep Fanatic, it will be interesting to see if your predictions come true.
Personally I feel that making predictions of outcomes over which I have no
control is a good way to look foolish, but if that's your style, so be it. I
never saw anything out of Jake Heaps that indicated that Charlie Weiss, Steve
Sarkesian, Norm Chow or anyone else would have helped him more over the past two
seasons. You don't need a great coach to notice from film that every single time
you throw a long ball you overthrow, or that on short slant patterns if you burn
it in there the receiver can't handle it. Isn't the definition of insanity still
doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. Besides, we don't even know if Jake (or Dayne Crist) will end up in
Kansas. As for wasting a 5-star athlete for Riley Nelson, Riley won
games, Jake lost them. I don't know how it could be rendered any simpler for
you. Jake wasted his own 5 stars.
Jake never had the respect of his own team. He has an NFL arm, whethere we like
to admit it or not, he does. But He is not a leader. He fears taking a hit. He
cannot run a team. It amazes me that he can end up somewhere like CAL, USC, or
even Kansas. I'm interested and seeing what will happen, i wish him the best,
but for him to be the best a lot has to change.
Irt is funny how last year the Nelson v. Heaps situation was in reverse. BYU
got destroyed by my Air Force Falcons. Nelson was terrible in that game. Heaps
is smart to leave BYU. A new change will be positive for him. By
the way, the teams with four and five stars are in BCS games. I know since I
graduated from USAFA and we got one and two stars with a three star once in a
great while. Ask Troy Calhoun if he would like a few four and five stars!
Prep Fanatic | 10:20 a.m. Dec. 21, 2011 Los Angeles, CA "Way to waste a 5 star athlete for Riley Nelson."If you
insist on following that line of logic, then it was rather a choice between a
five star athlete and for sure one, probably two and maybe three more wins.If you had to choose between a five star athlete and the difference
between 9 and 3 versus 6 and 6, you tell me. What is your choice?
Jake is no dummy. He got his free trip to Hawaii, then decided to tell the
coaches what he had known for a long time. Yes, some will say he wanted to wait
until the season was over. No. He wanted his free trip to Hawaii. and he wanted
all the press about his leaving.
@Osgrath...You are not being fair to PrepFanatic.... I also was very
critical of Heaps.... He did not perform well or consistently (especially the
first part of this season).... And I agree that the team didn't work as hard for
Heaps as they did for Riley.... BUT, and there are lots of them...1)
It's up to the Coaches to demand performance of the Players... Heaps should
actually have gotten into their faces a little more when they dropped the ball
or when protection broke down and he didn't... But he was young and the BYU
players were older... So at BYU that becomes more of a Coach Problem in my
opinion.2) Heaps would have had a stellar record for the latter part of
the season as well... He QBd against much tougher teams.3) Doman is a
Rookie OC that had trouble diagraming the Offense towards Heap's strengths...
Doman himself was more of a Riley type of QB and his scheme was slanted towars
more of an option QB.Truth is Heap's has better NFL oriented QB
skills than Riley and will be a better NFL Prospect... He just needed to be sold
on Red Shirting and preparation.
After Heaps junior year in high school, and heading into his senior year when he
decided to go to the Y, everyone but Y fans said that it was a bad idea for Jake
to go to BYU if he wanted to become a NFL QB. The Y was quarterback U back in
the 80's and early 90's, but they do not run that type of offense anymore.
Bronco is a defensive guy, and Doman has no idea what he is doing. Collin
Cowherd, Scott Van Pelt, Dan Patrick all thought that it was a bad idea for him
to choose the Y over other schools. I guess they were right, and now the hype
that was Heaps is gone. I think that is best for both parties that Jake
transferred. However, if I were Mangum or Hill, I would be watching what goes on
here in the bowl game, and the future with how the coaches run things down there
in Provo. They may be better off not going to the Y to play QB.
@Papa Smurf UtePretty sad attempt at spin.Of course U
would like to see Mangum and Hill move on. Mangum won the Elite 11 camp, just
like Heaps did. Hill was good enough for Stanford and then changed his mind.Mangum will be 21 years old before he takes a snap in a BYU spring drill
and Hill already is a 21 year old Man. Like Nelson, they both will have maturity
and toughness, unlike Jake, who took all this on as a WeeLad. In way over his
head.Blaming BYU for Jakes ineptitude at BYU is so typical of a
Liberal-Ute's way of thinking.Heaps problems were Heaps, not BYU's.
He was given every opportunity to succeed. They were running a Pro-set for him
this year. However, if you cannot complete passes in games and cannot
demonstrate that you are a "Tough-Minded Football Player" then
you won't succeed either.College Football has been littered with
athletes who looked great in High School or in practice wearing the green
jersey. See Todd Marinovich.No, Jake needs to adjust many thngs, and
perhaps he can reach his full potential, but running, is usually not the answer.