@ blutoBluto says---I agree. Honor Majerus and Judkins.No, to Rick.Well now, that's going to be a little difficult,
My comment is addressed to "Duckhunter." I am still searching
frantically for the National Championship in basketball won by Army in 1944.
Army has never played in the NCAA tournament, one of only 5 original schools
never to do so. They have only played in the NIT 8 times, and those appearances
were from 1961 to 1978, so they do not have any national championships. Where
are you getting your information? You were quite critical of me in one of your
previous posts. I am not sure why. If you don't care about whether or not Utah
honors Rick Majerus, why did you read and then comment more than once on this
article? Although Army did not win a National Championship in 1944, or ever, for
that matter, I do appreciate greatly what most of the cadets were doing in 1944,
defending our country so that we could continue to enjoy the freedoms that we
have, such as expressing our opinions on this board. I'm curious to hear your
response to this post.
Duckhunter:What's MY point? You're the one disputing the Majerus
took the Utes to a National Championship. MY point was that in this
article and comment thread debating whether or not Majerus [and/or McBride]
deserve to be honored by the U, that I believe they both SHOULD! Additionally,
I've pointed out that there exist a vast number of frantic and emotional cougar
fans who think otherwise. Thus, I've made a 2nd point that cougar fans opinions
in this matter is irrelevant on account of them knowing nothing of appreciating
such heights such as "Elite Eights", "Final Fours", and/or
"National Championships". My points were really quite
elementary to be honest. I'm not sure why you're having such difficulty
following along. Is it because you're so WAC-ish and mid-majorey?
@naval lintSure I'm aware that last century utah had a good
basketball team that accomplished a bunch of stuff. I'm also aware that they now
suck and have for quite a long time. What's your point?
To Mr. Duckhunter, Army did not win a national championship in 1944.
Utah won the NCAA tournament, St. John's won the NIT, and following the 2
tournaments Utah defeated St. John's head to head in New York. The NIT was often
considered the more prestigious tournament at the time, but again, Utah won that
in 1947. I'm curious to know why you put the term "Utah" in quotes. I
believe it is because you think that none of us really are fans, just that we
hate BYU. Not true. I am an active Mormon, and they are still letting me keep my
temple recommend for being a Ute fan. I'm married to a BYU alum, and some of my
best friends are BYU alumni as well. And yes, BYU does have the trophies for
1984, but I'm just saying the system was (and still is) very flawed. I think
many fans would agree that a "National Championship" in football is a
lot more like winning an Oscar or something else based on opinion rather than a
true championship in any other sport.
Duckhunter:Perhaps you weren't aware that Majerus' Utes played in 2
"Elite Eights", 1 "Final Four", and a "National
Championship" game. His Utes ALSO played in 4 "Sweet Sixteens";
a peak your cougs finally crested last year after a 30-yr hiatus. But still no
"Elite Eight", "Final Four", or "National
Championship" game appearances for you. Those have been more of a
"Utah thing"; something I reaffirm cougar fans know nothing about.
Poor little mid-majored school that nobody wants. Except the
WAC.And the WCC[*snicker*]
@ute66I don't think BYU fans care one way or the other about utah
honoring majerus. I certainly don't. As far as utah's ncaa tournament
championship and their NIT championship are concerned, well they are great
accomplishments but neither of them is a National Championship. Army won the
National Championship in 1944 and has the trophies to prove it. utah won the
ncaa tournmaent, which was the secondary tourney in those days. BYU's football National Championship really is one. they have all the
trophies, just like Army's 1944 basketball team, to prove it.So
silly utah "fans" like yourself can make all the declarations you want
to make aon both subjects but unfortunately for you no one in the entire world
agree's with you. In fact you are mocked over those declarations because they
are false and if you spent even 1 minute researching both subjects you would
find out you are false. But the truth is you already know that, but in typical
utah "fan" fashion you think declaring it makes it so.LOL!
I don't know about Majerus being honored. While a student at the U of U, I
noticed a U b-ball practice with Majerus one time (I had to hide behind a door
and peaked in to watch for 15 minutes or so.) I was appalled at the verbal abuse
and complete lack of respect he gave to his players. That was a good 17 years
ago, and it was so bad I remember it today.Personally, a coach needs
to have respect to be honored, not just wins. McBride on the other hand, totally
Let me put in my 2 cents here. First of all, this article talks about honoring
Rick Majerus for what he did as a coach, not as a person. I have yet to hear one
BYU fan ever say that the school should not honor Jim McMahon, who was a living,
breathing honor code violation and didn't exactly have nice things to say about
Cougar Nation when he left. If he ever finishes his degree, there is no doubt
that BYU will probably honor him for his accomplishments on the field, honor
code and DUI notwithstanding. What I find interesting as an active Mormon and a
true Ute fan and Utah graduate is that Cougar fans are often on the moral high
horse, looking down their noses at our "bad guys", but forgetting
about their own. And as far as National Championships go, Utah's 1944 NCAA
tournament title, or if you will, their 1947 NIT is every bit as legitimate as
BYU's 1984 National Championship in football. The 2008 Ute football team did
exactly what that 1984 BYU team did, finishing as the only undefeated team in
the country, and beating a much better opponent in their bowl game. The
difference was simply that the system had changed. Back in the day they used to
call football titles the "mythical" national championship, as there
never has been a playoff involved, so yes they have a National Championship, but
it's more like winning a beauty pageant than an actual tournament.
@uncle rico"How about honoring Majerus by re-hiring
him."Now that I would loooooooove to see happen. Oh yes please
How about honoring Majerus by re-hiring him.
Didn't UofU loose scholarships because of players not graduating due to Majerus?
Wouldn't that cause problems for future coaches recruiting? If I were a Ute
fan, and I am not, I would blame Majerus for the current problems.
@naval lintNo you said "Elite Eights",
"Final Fours", "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS"...these are
"Utah" things; things cougars wouldn't know anything about."I'm just wondering how a utah "fan" like you claim to be,
would know anything at all about "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS" since utah
has never won one in the big 2 sports. You did manage to blow a double digit
lead in the last few minutes of a "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP" game and
lose it so if you're saying utah "fans" know about losing them then
yes I suppose you do. BYU fans on the otherhand only know how it feels to win a
"NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP". It feels good.But then I
remembered, you used to be a BYU fan and were actually a BYU fan back when they
won the "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP". So despite your desperate
bandwagoneering that has now changed you into a utah "fan" you
probably do know how it feels since back in those days you were bandwagoning
@don't feed yourselfBut ncaa championships in basketball in 1944 are
not the same thing as national championships. As far as NIT championhips are
concerend, well you have never seen me claim that as a National Championship,
although the foundation that voted for such things in those days did declare BYU
the national champs. No I was refering to the fact BYU won the Football National
Championship in 1984. They actually won it. They have all of the trophies to
prove it. It is pretty well known even to utah "fans".
Naval Vet, when discussion, facts, and logic fail, resort to name calling, a
juvenile approach. The topic was Majerus and McBride to which I agree with
"alternate", McBribe - absolutely yes, Majerus - maybe posthumously if
Didn't Rick Majerus once call one of his players who was deaf a "disgrace
Duckhunter:"What 'national championships' are you referecning
[sic]?"I was actually referring to only the games played amid
the Majerus era. In 1998, Utah played in the National Championship. Sure we
didn't win, but I never said we did either. Why are you such a
desperate little man? Is it because you're so mid-majorey and WAC-ish?
As I've said before...and today it appears that I was right...this is a great
year for the Utes...to reminisce :)
Oh, Duckhunter. A simple google search will show the Utes were NCAA Basketball
Champions in 1944 and NIT champs in 1947. You have to acknowledge theirs to get
them to acknowledge yours.
@naval lintWhat "national championships" are you
referecning? You realize in the big 2 sports, football and basketball, utah has
exactly 0 of them don't you? BYU on the otherhand, well we all know they have a
national championship in one of them. Seems like when it comes to "national
championships" that those are a BYU thing and utah "fans" like
yourself just wouldn't know anything about them. Nice try at another naval lint
There sure seems to be a lot of cougar fans on here hating on Majerus. Not sure
why though. It isn't as if Sorensen is promoting the idea of the school down
south honoring him. "Elite Eights", "Final Fours",
"National Championships"...these are "Utah" things; things
cougars wouldn't know anything about. As an alumnus whose tenure at the U was
amid the McBride/Majerus era, I concur with the writer. The University of Utah
SHOULD take time to honor both legendary coaches.Congratulations on
your 500th win Coach Majerus! And thank you for what you did with the Utes
during your time spent on the Hill.Go SLU.Go Majerus!Go McBride!GO UTES!!!
@TJI'm pretty sure Josh Grant was drafted by the Golden State Warriors and
played at least one year and Hanno Mottola was drafted and played for the
Atlanta Hawks for two years. They both ended up in europe. I forgot that Majerus
was the one who brought Andrew Bogut to Utah also.
Oh and ernie...in those last 7 years the totals are BYU 167 wins and 48 losses
and utah 96 wins and 102 losses with this season still to complete. Your
definition of "every bit as good" probably won't get much agreement,
even from other utah "fans". LOL!
@ernie bassYea those losing seasons 5 of the last 7 years an one
ncaa tourney appearance by the utes is pretty impressive. Let's look at the
numbers.BYU20-9 2nd in conference NIT25-9
conference champs NCAA 1st round27-8 conference champs NCAA 1st round25-8 conference champs NCAA 1st round30-6 2nd conference NCAA 2nd
round32-5 NCAA conference champs NCAA sweet 168-3 and on their way
to the NCAAUtah 14-15 I'll spare you the conference
finish and of course no NCAA11-19 ditto18-15 ditto24-10
conference champs NCAA 1st round14-17 ditto13-18 ditto2-8 well
we all know how this season is goingThen of course there is the
small fact BYU has beaten utah 11 out of the last 12 meetings so yea I can see
your point about "in the last 7 years, utah has been every bit as
successful as BYU"LOL!
@MESOUTENo question you know what you are talking about. Majerus
was the one that got Bogut and after he left it has all been down hill. IMO Dr
Hill is the biggest one to blame for the demisse, in fact I'm very suprised
Tommy Connar is up on the hill. With Coach K and Tommy around we will get some
players in here. It really is a matter of two or three good players and we will
turn the corner. Utah basketball will shine again.
A couple of thoughts here:Majerus did not put Utah basketball on the map.
He did, however, make it a consistent winner and raised the expectations and
level of success.Judkins was a good assistant who was mainly in
charge of landing in-state talent, which he did, and none of which were the
catalysts for Utah's dominance in the 90s. Donny Daniels was the guy getting the
big time players out of California. His impact to Utah basketball is far greater
than Judkins'.I love the Fat Man and what he did for Utah
basketball, but he abandoned the team, abandoned his post, and lost his fire in
the recruiting game -along with losing Daniels, our top recruiter- and I for one
see the current state of basketball at Utah stemming from the negativity which
he spawned and the conundrum in which he left the program. No it is not all his
fault, but he initiated the downward spiral. Posthumous honor for Maji is
deserving. But I wouldn't hold my breath as long as Chris Hill is calling the
@Duckhunter, in the last 7 years, Utah has been every bit as successful as byu.
Giac and Boylen each won championships and made it as far as byu has in the
tournament.Of course a lot of "fans" in Utah County have a
selective memory when it comes to success.
After reading about Majerus on the Internet, I would never honor him if it were
my decision. Sports columnists know how to push our buttons.
@ TJ"Although I think Majerus was a jerk to his players and
assistants and he left Utah in the Lurch, he did put Ute basketball on the map
so I guess it would be a classy move to honor him"Uh, he was
fired.While we are being classy, I think we should also give Wilt
Chamberlain the "Gentleman Dater" award, Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant
the "Fidelity" award, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire the "Success
Through Clean Play" award, Barry Bonds the "Ambassador for
Sportsmanship" award, and Bill Belichick an award for "Sports
"The most successful college basketball coach the state of Utah has ever
seen."Hold on there, Mike. Just because you never saw them,
doesn't mean they didn't exist.Vadal Peterson's teams won both an
NCAA title in 1944 AND an NIT title in 1947, back when that tournament was
significant enough the 1944 team originally turned down an NCAA invite to play
in the NIT.Jack Gardner had two Final Fours, an eight, three 16's
and two NITs. Gardner's teams might have done even better in the late 60's and
early 70's except for three barriers: The NCAA wasn't 64 teams; Stan Watts' BYU
teams dominated the WAC during that time period; John Wooden's UCLA teams
dominated the West during an era when brackets were strictly geographical.Rick was great, but he benefitted from facilities and tradition that
grew out of the success of others like Peterson and Gardner.And,
like others have said, Rick was a GREAT strategist with a great record, but
there was more to Rick than his record. His methods weren't always exemplary.
We should ask Lance Allred if Rick should be honored.I think the quote
could go like this. "No amount of success on the court can compensate for
failure off the court".
@ernie bassYea I'm sure utah "fans" are really enjoying
the last 7 years. This year being the high point?
@ Alternate: I couldn't disagree more. I'm a big fan of Judkins, but who did
more for the Ute b-ball program? I would have to say Majerus did far more than
Judkins. Everyone knows that he was no saint in the way he dealt with players
and assistant coaches, so let's not nominate him as man of the year. Instead
let's honor him as the excellent coach he was.
As long as Chris Hill is at the U it will never happen to either one.
@Bluto: the "curse of Juddy"?You do realize Utah has been to the
NCAA tournament, won conference titles and had a #1 pick all since Juddy left,
right? Most programs would love to be cursed like that.
Real Deal;I remember that Miller and Van Horn had good NBA careers and
Doleac had a decent one. I am not familiar with Mottola or Grants NBA careers
though. I thought both of them failed to make an NBA roster. As far
as the coaches go, I think it would be great to honor McBride. He was a class
act.Although I think Majerus was a jerk to his players and assistants and
he left Utah in the Lurch, he did put Ute basketball on the map so I guess it
would be a classy move to honor him. I would wait until he ritires again.
Otherwise he probably wouldn't come unless it was done out of season.
I definitely agree that they really have to wait until they are done coaching
somewhere else before they honor them. It would seem a little awkward to try to
do it while they are a sitting coach. I am not sure of "Big Rick's"
health but that could make his iffy in the future. I think now is
the time for Ron.
@alternateI agree. Honor Majerus and Judkins.No, to
Rick.The "Curse of the Juddy" will continue to plague
the Utah Basketball Program for generations to come.
Posthumous for Majerus would be soon enough.
it was actually 4 sweet 16's, 2 elite 8's, 1 final 4 and 1 final. As well as 9
conference title's. His teams lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament
only once in ten tries. NBA players from his years were Josh Grant, Keith
Vanhorn, Andre Miller, Michael Doleac and Hanno Mottola. Utah was a dominant
program in the west when he coached there. He definitely needs to be recognized.
Yea for Ron, nay for Rick. Perhaps Rick should be honored because he may have
saved the U millions in discrimination lawsuits by leaving. I was personally
disgusted by some of his conduct at practice and with other people. I also
really like Jeff Judkins. I would honor him for his playing accomplishments
before Rick for his coaching. I believe Rick drove off Jeff and with it a solid
base for in-state recruiting. Things were never the same after Jeff was run out
of town.No Mike, yea for Ron, nay for Rick.
McBride put Utah football on the path it is now on. Majerus made Utah a
basketball force again during his reign as coach. Both men deserve to honored
for what they brought to the U.
"The University of Utah should take time to honor Rick Majerus, Ron