Honestly?You see me spin and twist (for illustration purposes only)
the accomplishments of your Utes, and you are certain that I am the biggest
idiot in the world. But you can't see the same thing in yourselves?So how do I honestly feel. U got scoreboard. We got improvement. You got a
better ($) bowl that means less. We got a lower bowl that means more. And I
think we both can't wait to put this year behind us.
UTEGRAD04 You are right - I don't like it. But I can respectfully
(and hopefully logically) disagree.By the same logic, Washington
State, Colorado and Oregon State are also in a better position and we should
want to trade places with them. I don't.But I will admit, about the
time that Utah actually DOES compete for, and win, a game in the Rose Bowl,
well, I'm not gonna lie. I'll be a little jealous.But until then,
you'll get more money and more unrealized opportunity, we'll get more exposure
and more opportunity on the national stage.Just my opinion, but
thanks for the exchange of thoughts!
OK, look, here is the bottom line, and cougar fans aren't going to like it.Fact: Neither team had a good season. Utah blew it at the beginning and
at the very end and BYU played terrible teams all season, so there is no need
for any of us to brag.Fact: Utah is in a premiere conference. BYU
fans can joke about how weak the PAC 12 south is, but the bottom line FACT is
that we are on the map simply because we belong to a major conference. Every
BYU fan I know will admit that, given the choice, they would choose a major
conference over independence.Fact: Utah can lose a few games and
still have the opportunity to play for the PAC12 championship. I know it may be
a long shot against Oregon, Stanford, and USC, but it is STILL a possibility.
Every game counts and the season can be exciting up until the last game. BYU,
on the other hand, must win EVERY GAME to have a chance. If they lose to GA
Tech next season, it's over...Armed Forces Bowl.These are the facts.
Utah is in a better spot - FACT -
Portland BeaversDo you just need a hug? Remember, keep saying to
yourself, "We are superior, we are superior, we ARE superior."We can resume the ranked / not ranked discussion after BYU's game, but
currently in the AP, we're 29th (or if you prefer, the fourth highest other team
recieving votes), 26th in the USA Today and Harris polls.But
brother, if you asked ANY objective observer which team in the state of Utah is
being passed by, they'd say, "Hmmm, USU went to a bowl game for the first
time in many years, and BYU recovered nicely from a terrible start, but Utah
seems to have run out of gas mid-way. Second year in a row, too. At least last
year they could say that was the hardest part of their season. But losing to
Colorado? At home? That is some serious by-passing."ps We
beat Utah State. They went to a bowl. But it's okay, you got the hyperbole
thing down pretty good.
@the beavWho is it you're trying to convince BYU fans or yourself?
@Y Grad Y DadDude, you don't have to tell me a thing about BCS Bowls
or Rankings. We have been to two BCS Bowls with a #4 ranking and a #2 ranking,
so I do know how it goes. I went to both and you cannot believe how much fun
they are.You guys will not be ranked even if you win, coaches and
the media know how you have aquired the 9-3 season. The football world is
passing you buy, 4 independent teams and two of them are Army and Navy, the
other Notre Dame you will never be in the same class. They play a real
schedule, Mich. Mich St. USC Stanford. Look at how many teams that BYU played
this year that are in a bowl game, I think it's 3 all the teams you lost too.
It's just not that impressive this year for the y to me. Until BYU plays in a
BCS conference fans like yourself will never, ever, never, ever know the
difference. I'm sorry buddy it's just not the same as the old WAC or MWC. Love
your team it is what it is. PASSED BY!!!!
@sports"fan"I love you making post after post just to try
and convicne me how much you don't care about my posts. LOL!@naval
lintMaybe you forgot but BYU played at the hc last week. I attended.
Yes that means I will have spent more time in the hc than you this year. Also I
really loved the game by game breakdown you gave me about why you think the utes
didn't quit. They did quit but I'll give you an "a" for the effort to
convince me otherwise. I really do appreciate that you care enough about what I
think of utah to go to all the trouble. LOL!This has really been an
Portland Beavers, et al,Never been to the HC. Been once to RES,
enjoyed it very much except for the last 15 seconds. Don't know about Duckie,
but I'm the bald guy with the mis-matched navy blue Rise and Shout shirt and
royal blue classic cougar hat.Some people consider playing in a BCS
bowl as a measure of achievement, the higher the bowl the better. Some people
consider ranking as a measure of achievement. Utah is not playing in a BCS bowl
and will not end up ranked.When your team had everything to play
for, they failed to show up. How will they show up playing in a nothing bowl
for nothing?Enjoy scoreboard. Utah earned it. But when the high
point of your football season happened in September, and you boast of a superior
team, I think your missing something. Just saying.
@Duckhunter/Y Grad/Y DadGosh-dang-it and I thought you were two
different guys, I think I saw you at the Huntsman Center. Where you the guy
with the fancy all colored shorts and the Blue BYU shirt that didn't match. I
still can't figure out though how the copter bowl means more than the Sun Bowl
does. Your team got better playing a schedule that was very light-a team like
the y should get better against that caliber of competition. I will say it
again your athletes and coaching staff are on the same level as Utah State, you
probably would have been 2nd or 3rd in the WAC and 3rd or 4th in the MWC. That
is where you guys are right now and it isn't even derogatory on my part it's the
truthy basketball is good not great, you did beat the pants off us
and it's been that way for a number of years. But football has changed, Utah is
a much better program with better players, in a league with very good teams and
players. You guys are still nothing of nothing, get use to it (in football).
Duckhunter:"They quit, at least 3 times. They are
quitters."Tsk, tsk. So desperate. Let's break down our
performances, shall we?UWa.: Washington kicks a FG as time expired
in the 1st-Half to take a 3-pt lead in the game. Injured in the 1st-Half,
Utahâs star QBâs season is over. Making his D-1 debut, our backup
QB throws for 156-yds, and connects with 7 receiversâ¦the last
being to TE Dallin Rogers for a 4-yd TD with 7-sec. remaining in the game,
despite being down 31-7, because we were NOT quitters. Utah lost by 17.ASU: Utah's backup QB, in his 1st start of his career threw for
199-yds, and connected with 8 receivers, and DESPITE having lost our top WR for
the next 2-wks. Utah kept it close until the late in the 3rd Qtr where our lack
of depth finally caught up with us. Utah lost by 21.Pitt: Utah's
backup QB threw for 251-yds and connected with 8 different receivers DESPITE
having lost our top WR the prior week. Down 11-pts to start the 2nd-Qtr, Utah
rallied 23 unanswered pts â because we would NOT quit â to win by
12.Cal: Utah's backup QB threw for 148-yds, and connected with 8
different receivers DESPITE having lost our star TE for the season in the prior
week, and our star WR 2-wks prior. Down 34-0 early in the 4th Qtr, Utah did NOT
quit, but rather persevered to 10 unanswered pts to close the game. Utah lost
by 24.CU: Utah missed 3 FGs, and lost both our star RB and top
O-Lineman. Our backup came in and rushed for 77-yds. Utahâs backup QB
threw for 185-yds, and connected with 9 different receivers. Utahâs
unsuccessful 48-yd FG attempt as time expired â because we would NOT quit
â cost us a 3-pt decision to the Buffs.Meanwhile, a HEALTHY
cougar team scored their final points of the game with over 6-min. to play in
the 2nd-Qtr before inevitably getting steamrolled via 47 unanswered pts on their
Home field, and watched complacently from both the sidelines, the skybox, AND
the field. Your season ended before the 1st-Half of your 3rd game wound down.
Your team quit. Period. Your backups quit too. And you lost by 44.
@y grad/ y dad"But honestly, how pathetic are you if your sense of
well-being in the world depends on trying to decry any accomplishments of your
rival because you somehow think it makes your team look better?" wow talk about hypocrisy from byu fans right there.
and thanks for givin us your other account name duckhunter aka y grad/ y dad.
Duckhunter:"I attended one game..."Nope. I
don't think so. I'm sure you've been attending as many Utah games as you could
frantically afford. It's your fix; it's your obsession.I on the
other hand admittedly have not attended a single Utah basketball game all
season, but then again, we both know that I live back here on the East coast,
and apart from that "Battle 4 Atlantis" played way down south in the
Bahamas last month, the Utes haven't played a single other game East of Salt
Lake City. Only an extremely desperate, frantic and emotional, mid-majored
cougar would think he was making a point by highlighting my absence from the
Huntsman Center. I'm not even that big of a basketball fan in the first place.
I really don't get into it until March. I'm not even sure YOU'RE a basketball
fan either. You're just a fan of any team that plays Utah."As
for the rest of your post is concerned. *yawn*"That's it? You
just got poned, and that's the best you got? You just got caught admitting your
that your obsession with Utah keeps you glued to your Huntsman Center seat on a
thread that Utah fans will likely be referring back to for MONTHS as evidence of
your Utah obsession...and all you can do is yawn? No. I don't think so. I'm
thinking more like *PANIC*...maybe even a new handle to hide behind. You won't
be escaping THIS one.Poor frantic and emotional coug.
@duckhunter"As far as the rest of your post is concerned.
*yawn*"yeah its hard to argue the truth huh duckhunter? oh oops i
forgot you a byu fan you will argue the truth even if its been proven LOL
@duckhunter. like i said before NOONE cares what you think lol.you sound like a
typical clueless byu fan who knows nothing outside of whats goin on in your
little happy valley LOL. everyone just laughs at your ignorant, clueless
comments just like im doing now. ROTFL. your team is the best example of
quitters. just go to youtube type "quitters" and the byu highlight dvd
will pop up."LOL"
sportsfanforlife | 9:02 a.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT@y grad/ y dadSlow down and breath, friend! Punctuation and
spelling are your friends! Now, trash talk about conferences aside, national
ranking is, well, national. Discount all you want, but a number of different
ranking entities have the cougs on the verge of breaking in. That's a long way
from where we all thought we would end up the night of 9/17. williary | 8:31 a.m. Dec. 20, 2011 Kearns, UTLet's
try being honest. The real difference is that by the end of the
season, BYU was beating the teams it was supposed to. Utah wasn't. What you call unlimited ego, we call optimism. And, honestly, I admire Utah
fans that look at this season and are proud of your Utes. You should be, if you
are any kind of fan at all. But honestly, how pathetic are you if
your sense of well-being in the world depends on trying to decry any
accomplishments of your rival because you somehow think it makes your team look
@sportsfan4whateverThen why do you care? They quit, at least 3
times. They are quitters.
@naval lintAll I had to do was attend one game at the hc and that is
more time than you will spend there this year. I attended one game so yes I've
spent more time there than you will this year. As far as the rest of
your post is concerned. *yawn*
@duckhunter oh yeah...."LOL"
@duckhunter thats funny cause youre the only person who has even made tht claim
and we all know how much of an expert about the game you are. noone cares that
you said they quit they averaged a 14 pt loss thats quitting? haha ok buddy keep
tellin yourself that to make your pathetic team better. oh and since byu lost by
10 to tcu (shoulda been more if it wasnt for that bogus p.i. call at the end)
they quit that game as well since they lost. (im going by your reasoning)
Duckhunter:You said:"I wouldn't be shocked if I
spend more time in the hc than you do this year"...and yet you
ALSO claimed..."We'll all know utah is truly 'superior' when we
no longer see you guys posting on BYU articles."So if Ute fans
posting on those WAC-ish cougar articles suggests an unconvincing case of
superiority of the U over the Y, then I guess it stands to reason that cougar
fans who spend more time in the Huntsman Center than Ute fans suggests an even
deeper seeded inferiority complex of Y fans toward the U.Personally,
I thought 54-10, 7 of the last 10, and a 21-yr lead in the overall series pretty
much closed the case over Utah's superiority over your mid-majorey cougs, but I
suppose 2 BCS bowls, a Pac-12 invite, and observing a fanbase who's so obsessed
with their big brother on the Hill, that they actually claim to spend more time
in Utah's athletic arenas than WE do really hammers that home.54-10,
and your boys quit."LOL"
@sportsfan4whatever"@duckhunter just because YOU said they quit
doesnt mean they quit."You're right, just because I said it
doesn't make it so. The fact they did quit is what makes it so. I watched those
games, I saw them quit. They are quitters. They also were 'no shows' against
Colorado and that is just as bad. Pathetic really.
@y grad/ y dadgt over yourself. your team is pathetic callin a 9 win
season against the worst conference in the nation (the wac) hahahahaha. nobody
cares about byu hnce no conference. you call utah a bottom dweller of the pac
cause the beat the bad teams like theyre supposed to so obviously that means byu
is a bottom dweller of college football (you would be in the bottomof any decent
conference if you could even get in one)since you only beat the pathetic teams
on your schedule and lost to any half decent team.
@DuckyYou should have waited a few hours before posting. Utah basketball won their 2nd straight game last night.Something
you said would not happen.Once again, another "Truth" from
"My team was destroyed by it's rival, at home, yet is playing for a 10th
win and a spot in the top 25. This illustrates:"Lets be honest.
It illustrates what happens when you go from playing teams in the
basement of a BCS conference (Utah I guess?), to teams from one of the worst
football conferences in the world (WAC), your teams looks a lot better.Here is the real difference between Utah and BYU fans.Utah
finished last year with 10 wins. Beating up bad teams, losing to good teams.
Utah fans were left unsatisfied, questiong how good the team was. Realizing
their team was very flawed, and didn't accomplish near what their record showed.
They feel much better about this year 7-5 mark, than last years artificial 10
win mark.BYU can finish this year with 10 wins. Beating up on even
worse teams, while losing to any decent team they played. And BYU fans will
rejoice. They'll throw out top 25 rankings, 10 wins, etc. Utah has
moved on, BYU still relishes being the big fish in the empty pond.
@ClarkHippoUndefeated? Not a chance. And I truly don't recall
those claims from any Utah fans on these boards. Talk of a Pac-12
Title game appearance, sure, and even with the Wynn injury, it was in reach.Next year, no idea. Can Wynn stay healthy, that will be the difference
between 7-8 wins, and a very good season 9-10. USC will be down a little with
Barkley out, ASU/AU/UCLA going through coaching changes, not sure what to expect
from any of them. I see no reason Utah won't be competing for the Pac-12 south
again next year. Star coming back is huge, solidifies the DLine again. Finding
2 OT's the only replacement issue on offense. How was that?
Portland Beavers Looks like there's only a few of us left who care
in the least what each other said."Just because you said they
quit (are inferior) (are playing in a meaningless bowl) (etc), doesn't make it
so." Get over it. Your logic is flawed.Your team destroyed a
team that is on the verge of breaking into the top 25. Your team is nowhere
near the top 25. This illustrates:a) a downhill slide; and b)
your last game is meaningless to the vast majority of virtually anybodyMy team was destroyed by it's rival, at home, yet is playing for a 10th win
and a spot in the top 25. This illustrates:c) growth from PR
(pre-Riley) (the time when the beat-down occured) to WR (with-Riley, just wanted
to make sure your were following);d) relevance in the football community;
ande) life in a once-prestigous conference basement is NOT necessarily
better than life as an independent.But you are right in one regard -
your bowl is not meaningless. BYU fans will watch to get acquaited with one of
next year's opponents. Georgia Tech.
@Duckhunter and all the restGive me a break, there was a Utah
article the other day (basketball) with 16 comments, 15 by cougar fans don't
give me that stuff about being on a y article. The hypocrisy WOW, try again
boys. Show me one article about Utah cougar fans have not had something to
say.@Y Dad/ Y GradUtah always will be superior, but you
guys play in your inferior bowl and we will play in our meaningless bowl, where
do those two lines intersect. One thing though it's not meaningless to us U
fans, and yes you guys get to play in your inferior bowl.@JayDeeyou are more than welcome I guess, really don't know what you mean. Raw
Raw Raw go Riley! The players at BYU are great, but you fans just make it so
much fun for us Ute fans to misbehave. You guys are so serious, it's that
funny, o and yes LOL!! Duckhunter taught me that. Keep it up boys don't stop
convincing yourselves that the U hasn't passed you by in football, you have seen
the dust.Good luck in your inferior bowl
I'm still wondering why so many Ute trolls are so possessed with BYU football.
You should be on your threads tonight. The mens BB team has won two in a row.
No, no, stay on the BYU thread and remind the Cougar faithful how you've already
won two more games than the Cougars did in 96, or 97, or 94, or, or, whenever.
@duckhunter just because YOU said they quit doesnt mean they quit. they're not
lucky enough to share that same trait with the byu football team. just because
they lost the uw,asu, and cal game doesnt mean they quit, in fact they lost by
about 2 touchdowns (not 44pts). and yes duckhunter we all know how much of an
expert you are about the utes and everything else for that matter.
@ Portland BeaversAll anyone need do is read your post to completely
validate mine. Thanks...I guess.And on topic...I can't wait to see
Riley suit up one more time this year. He brought an energy to LES that just
wasn't there when Jake was in. (Best wishes to Heaps wherever he lands.) The only regret is that Jordan Pendleton is done with. He added speed
and ferocity to the pass rush that was absent when he was out. Here's hoping the
DB's play lights out against a very good Tulsa passing game.Best of
luck Cougars! Beat the Golden 'Canes!
@portland beaversA utah "fan" posting over and over again
on a BYU article claiming superiority just isn't very convincing. Truly superior
programs don't have to try and convince the programs they think they are
superior to they just go about their business being superior. Insecure mediocre
programs are the ones that spend all of their time trying to convince someone,
anyone, of how superior they are.We'll all know utah is truly
"superior" when we no longer see you guys posting on BYU articles. My
guess is that will never happen you will jsut continue to come here day after
day declaring your superiority and we'll continue to mock you and laugh about
Portland Beavers Nice try. Let's try again.Draw two
straight lines, intersecting at 54-10 and ending at the end of the season. The
superior U line goes through an embarassing defeat at the hands of Colorado and
a lovely trip to El Paso to play a meaningless bowl. You were rewarded with a
higher bowl that means nothing when by rights you really should have played TCU
or Boise and at least taken a shot at a ranked team.The inferior BYU
line goes through an opportunity to play in an inferior bowl, but competing for
a 10 win season and breaking in to the top 25.I'm glad you don't
care, that would certainly explain why you won't respond to this comment - you
don't care enough about BYU to read their boards. We'll just let you alone now.
Just keep telling yourself, "Utah is superior, Utah is superior, Utah
is..."But even in that, you are comparing yourself to -BYU.
This rivalry has way too much hate from the U fans. Get a life maybe all the
drubbings in the 70's 80'and 90's are too hard to forget. Maybe it was when
Detmer and the boys put 49 points on the U in the first half? 7 for 7 that day
before half time well whatever. BYU still has a better body of work overall.
Good luck to both teams in their Bowl games.
@JayDeeGo ahead and hang your head, it is the absolute truth that
the U has passed the Y, of course you will not admitt it but it is what it is.
Make sure you do one thing the next time there is a football article about the
football team at the U, look at how many of you cougar fans have to comment,
it's pathetic to see the degradation so many of (you Y fans) wallow in. There
is no question that I will cheer on my Utes, go to El Paso and Go Go Go,
Utes!!!!Why should I care about the Mangum kid? He's not going to
be our QB and I really don't care who wears the blue jerseys. Utah is superior
in football now and until your team plays and wins against the big boys (Utah,
Texas, TCU) you can beat all the Idaho and New Mexico teams you want. Small
ball is all you will get and it's all you will have as long as your nothing
playing for nothing.
@williaryYes that is one of the few games utah didn't quit in. But
of course that can't offset all the quitting in the Washington, ASU and Cal
games, and of course the no show against Colorado. The only real question for
the next several months will be if utah will ever win another basketball game? I
wouldn't be shocked if I spend more time in the hc than you do this year. LOL!
LSU has already been practicing for its Jan 9 game, and the Cougs are just now
going at it again?
@williaryYou said - "Everyone has seen this movie. Roll
credits, enter the Spring football hype contest where BYU never looses, and by
9/16/2012, BYU is locked into the Kraft Fights Helicopters Hunger Macco Bowl,
against another mid-major team."Okay, so where will Utah be on
9/16/12 or 12/19/12?Two years ago, just before the Utah/TCU game,
Ute fans everywhere were saying, "We're going undefeated again and playing
in a BCS bowl game again! Mark it down! Write it down!"Before
the start of this season, Ute fans were saying, "We're going undefeated
this year and will win the National Championship! Mark it down! Write it
down!"You may be correct about the BYU football team in 2012.
To me, their schedule indicates a tougher year than their 9-3 season this year.
But what about Utah? If Ute fans say, "We're going undefeated
in 2012! Mark it down! Write it down!" What do you say?
Y Grad / Y Dad,Thanks for the apology to the Utes, I'm sure everyone
has something to apologize for in these boards, NO team's fanbase will just
admit the other is better, so that's why we all bicker little facts and spin a
little bit...It sure was a tough season for Utah, losing a QB vs
Washington, there wasn't a great plan B so the Utes did buckle a little. I'm
proud of the Utes for bouncing back though to get back into the race. Got to
hand it to them for their first year of week-in and week-out PAC level
competition.I'll hand it to both teams, but let's just face it, Utes
have football this year and BYU has basketball. Let's accept it and get over
it.As for the Cougar's bowl preparations, good luck. Tulsa isn't a
terrible team, so don't overlook them. We'll see what happens.
bobco,Call again. You're opinion is very important to us.
@DuckyBy my tally, 54-10.End of story. We'll see you
next September.This story is getting old. BYU plays good teams to
open the season, losses those games, visions of National Titles and Heismans
that could have been spin through BYU fans heads, then they are built right back
up when BYU beats up on the WAC.Everyone has seen this movie. Roll
credits, enter the Spring football hype contest where BYU never looses, and by
9/16/2012, BYU is locked into the Kraft Fights Helicopters Hunger Macco Bowl,
against another mid-major team.
RE: Elmer Fudd- "We finished 7-5, but I'll take that with a Sun Bowl berth
any day over a quitting team." Ah, no place petter than El Paso in the
winter. Yes. You guys did finish 7-5 and showed "heart and resiliency"
against that difficult Colorado team?
How would I know what to think or feel about BYU football without all the U
"fans" telling me? Thank you. Now I will pass the winter in sadness at
the sorry state of the program. I can hang my head in shame at the idea that the
U of U has passed by my beloved alma mater and left them in the figurative
dust.The day I'll truly be worried is the day when BYU articles have
fewer comments than U do. Then I will know something is wrong because U really
could not care less) Apathy is much more telling that you've moved on than is
any of this hatred that so many of U spew.For all the talk about
stepping up with BCS, Conference of Champion, rolling in the dough, strength of
schedule, higher-caliber of "everything" bluster, it's pathetic to see
the degradation so many of U wallow in. Here's something novel, go
cheer on Ur team. Go to the Huntsman Center. Go to El Paso. (I won't be holding
my breath.)Go! Go! Go! Yes, please go.
@ 54-10Interesting after the Utah/Colorado game in SLC that you'd
ask who needs practice. Look up the word "ironic" and you'll see a
photo of the Utah football team. You are just too
@DuckhunterI have three names one for FB, one for BB, and one when I
want to be serious. Personally I could care less about the Mangum kid I'm sure
he is very good, but if he is really good why would he go to the Y. I have been
watching Utah BYU games for more than 40 years. In the 70's and 80's it wasn't
even close but now with what we have done and the outlook for the future we have
passed you by. BYU will be good and win games but more of the caliber of Utah
State which is where you are now.I know you guys don't buy te PAC-12
thing, but in all seriouness the athletic level of the players in the PAC-12 is
far superior to what you guys or Utah State have.I just love to see
how BYU fans respond, aswell as how Utah fans. Everybody is pretty much the
same. But because I'm a Ute my side will always be right and your side will
always be wrong. The lack of repspect by both is going to kill our rivalry.
@ portland beavers and 54-10...um sorry to break it to you wanna be's but
neither of you know the hansons or the magnums so stop it already...funny how
you guys try to be somebody on an anonymous board...hahahaha, just like ute fans
to try and be something they're not.
So let's all try being honest here. I'm generally pleased with BYU's
season so far. First year of independence, playing for a 10 win season and a
shot at the top 25. Not gonna lie, 54-10 will still sting even after BYU beats
Utah two years in a row, which hopefully starts next year. Utah
started their inaugural year in the PAC looking strong, culminating in the
highlight of thrashing your rivals in their house. From there, it has to have
been disappointing. In the conference, did you upset anybody? The chance to
play for a spot in the conference championship was really more of an
embarrassment to your division than a feather in your cap. I can't imagine UCLA
is boasting of how they got into the championship. Seriously, you
have a shot in a more prestigious bowl, we have a shot at finishing better. I
think either team will be bitterly disappointed if they don't win their bowl
Duckhunter:âutah quit against washington, asu and cal in
exactly the same manner BYU quit against utah.âNot remotely.
The cougars quit against Utah because they have no heart. Against UWa, ASU, or
Cal, we played as hard as we could, but were just not prepared to beat those
teams with a backup QB who really had no business playing in the Pac-12. Losing
games does not insinuate quitting. Patching our team together and playing hard,
and rebounding in November, despite possessing the worst offense in the league
demonstrated that we would NOT quit.
54-1017-14 no fluke eitherhahahaa
Portland Beavers"the U has left you in the dust."really? 7-5, no conf. appearance or championship. Offense ranked in the
bottom of the nation Not sure that is better than a team on the verge of
cracking the top 25 and finishing with 10 wins. So Byu didn't get a shot at a
BCS, that joke will be gone in 2 years anyways. Who knows what the bright future
holds for byu. You can keep playing Zona, Ucla, CU and Wazzoo every year and
claim its some powerhouse schedule. I'm not buying it.
@54-10So the Boise 26-3 and the ND 28-3 and the TCU 47-7 and the AS 35-14
and the Wash. 31-14 were not flukes because none of these were 44 point loses
Wally - wont you don't understand is that for some reason Utah fans are fueled
with an indistinguishable hatred of all things BYU. I was an athlete at byu and
grew up in utah, I turned down a many scholarship offers including utah, and
went to byu. Three months after my senior year ended where in high school
everyone was very nice and kind and congratulating. I went to utah for our
first competition, I was yelled at, cursed at etc by the exact same people who
spoke honey flavored words a few months ago. I grew up in logan so I liked both
the Y and the U but once you get into slc watch out there are some very mean
spirited fans, that take almost all of the fun out of the game.
@ jackr-asNo game where one team beats another by 44 points is a
Why are some Ute fans on here so insecure?I didn't grow up in Utah
and so maybe I don't understand it fully, but I have respect for Utah and what
they have done. I am glad they got in the Pac-12. I am glad Hansen
decided to go to Utah. He wants to be a QB and BYU probably would have had him
at LB. He will probably do good as a QB.So why do Utah fans have to
say things like BYU players are quitters or that Utah has left BYU in the
dust?Last time I checked, if you leave somebody in the dust their
fans don't troll on their articles. BYU defense definitely quit a bit during
the end of the Utah game, but the players generally aren't quitters. They
didn't quit in the USU game.Also, BYU's program generally is still
on par with Utah. In fact on some levels such as facilities, BYU is still
superior to Utah.Maybe we can just have some mutual respect.
@54-10, Johnson72, PAC12Fan and all other Utes But here you are commenting
over and over again on a BYU article. I think enough said
@portland beavers"There is no question who got the best
FOOTBALL PLAYER, "UTAH". Hansen is going to be a great PAC-12
QB,"Uh....exactly no one agrees with you. Not one coach, not
one recruiting site, not one single "expert" of any kind. There is a
reason Mangum is rated the #2 overall QB recruit in the country and Hansen isn't
even rated as a qb recruit at all. But like I said I've never seen
Mangum play, other than youtube, so I can't personally comment on him other than
it is obvious that all of the guys that make their livings rating recruits, and
of course all the D1 programs that offered him a scholarship as a qb, think he
is that good.Hansen on the otherhand got exactly 1 D1 qb offer, from
utah, unless USU offered him as a QB. And I am not knocking Hansen in the least,
I've said many, many times the kid is a stud athlete, but I don't think he will
be a D1 qb when it all settles.What's pathetic is using multiple
screen names to try and legitimize yourself. How many do you have now? I've
hahahaha only Utesies would count a loss at HOME to a 2 win team as some kind of
semi bad loss, "hey at least we didn't quit". So what, you still lost
abysmally!! Try and tell us the facts that anyone in the nation wouldn't look at
that game and say"wow how bad are the Utes?" byu with a bowl win moves
to 10-3 and a top #25 ranking. Getting thrashed by GA-Tech will only solidify
what a pathetic season you Utesies had. And yes you'll only cling to one fluke
game. And trying to claim finishing just a shade above teams like Zona and OSU
are major accomplishments. wow, talk about spinning away into la la land.Enjoy El Paso.
OOPS, my bad. I meant to say, "Tulsa is a solid team which matches pretty
'well' with the Cougars."I wonder if the Utah players and/or
coaches will be checking the score of the Armed Forces Bowl, which is played the
day before the Sun Bowl?Probably not, since the Utes will need to
practice and stay focused on their game. But if the Cougars beat
Tulsa (especially if they win quite convincingly) will Utah feel greater
pressure to win the Sun Bowl? The thought of the three Utah schools
finishing 1-2 in bowl games, with the one win coming from BYU should scare the
crap out of a few of you.
@Duckhunter and nunyaI know this is pathetic to say but calling
someone a liar is something you guys are great at. I know 54-10 and he does
know both families, so do I. There is no question who got the best FOOTBALL
PLAYER, "UTAH". Hansen is going to be a great PAC-12 QB, Dh you are
comparing an 18 year old kid, with a 25 year old man (Hansen to Nelson). Don't
talk about quiting Utah did not get beat by 44 the entire year. I loved
watching all your matadors that 2nd half. BYU football was great
at one time, they are not now. They are nothing playing for nothing. Week by
week compare the two schedules, the U has left you in the dust.
So i guess byu will finish their Powder Puff doll cream schuedle, Who do they
play again?... Oh well there was always 1984 huh!
@PAC12FanToo much overconfidence my friend. I'm a Cougar fan but a
realistic Cougar fan. If Riley stays healthy the whole 2012 season,
the Cougars should do well, but the 2012 schedule is going to be much tougher
than 2011. Games scheduled at Utah, at Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech and at Boise
State will be very good indicators of what direction the BYU team will be headed
come 2013, 2014 and beyond. That's why I want to see how Riley plays
against Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowl. Tulsa is a solid team which matches
pretty will with the Cougars. If Riley can have a game like he did against
Hawaii, it will give him and the rest of the Cougars a lot of confidence going
Hmmmmmmm, some selective thinking going on here.By my count, Utah
finished tied for, um, 6th. Three way tie. That would encompass 6th, 7th and,
um, 8th. And how did we fare against the other two in the threesome? Lost to
Arizon State and lost to Cal. If the roles were reversed, I think all loyal
Utah fans would agree that a BYU team that finished tied with a team that they
lost to, finished behind that team.And that faster, stronger, far
superior team that did indeed lay a beat-down of epic proportions on their rival
on their rival's home turf... wait for it, lost. At home. To the absolute
worst road team in college football.I apologize. Calling them
quitters may not be very accurate. But they certainly did not finish well.
Again. Sometimes we call that quitting.Cougars have been known to
spin, and I'm usually there waving the flag, but I got nuthin' on some of you
Ute fans posting above. Beating Washington State in overtime, then losing to
Colorado is NOT battling back.
@54-10"and the boys in blue quit."Not as many
times as the boys in red 3 - 1 by my count with a no show as well. LOL!
Speaking as a Cougar fan, I would have to say "YES" BYU did quit in
the Utah game. The fact they were only down four at the half and lost by 44
tells you all you need to know there. The ironic thing is, Ute fans
piled on Jake Heaps like crazy after that game, but when Heaps announced he was
transferring from the Y, some of these same Ute fans showered him with praise,
hoping he would play for a "real team" in a "real
conference."If Heaps was a quitter at BYU, blowing it badly
against teams like Utah, what makes you think he'll do any better playing for a
PAC 12 or Big 10 school? I listened to the Utah/Colorado game, and I
wouldn't say the Utes were quitters, they just went into the game with way too
much overconfidence, while Colorado played like they were in the Rose Bowl.
and the boys in blue quit.
@ 54-10. you don't know the magnums or the hansens so stop coming on here
acting as if you're somebody special with all the connections. Sounds like
you're just a wanna be.
resilience....hahahaha, funny little utes. all of a sudden it's good to be 7-5
when at one time you were suppose to win the weak pac10.2 south. pathetic fans
always have pathetic things to say.
Riley Nelson will be the next Steve McMahon. I smell national championship next
year along with Heisman votes. It's going to be great.
re:Elmer Fuddthis 40 point thumping of the Cougars was no fluke. The
game was played at Provo and it was clear that there was a big speed and
athleticism difference between the two programs. BYU fans are content beating
and competing with the 2nd tier teams of college football going forward and I
think reality has finally set in. The Y of today is not the Y of the past and I
think the two programs have sort of passed each other going in opposite
directions. The LaVell Edwards teams were simply better - top to bottom - by far
than what Bronco has produced and you see it every time BYU plays a top 20 team.
Other than the Oklahoma game 2 years ago BYU has gotten destroyed by every top
20 team they have played and that NEVER happened under LaVell.
@unluckyWhat BYU fans "expect" has no bearing on how the
player will play. He'll either be good or he won't, fans have nothing to do with
it. As far as you choosing to quit being a fan of a team, well that is on you
and pretty much confirms you never were what you claim to be in the first place.
So you've watched film on both qb's huh? Great. I watched Mangum's
clips on youtube as well but that is hardly the same as watching him play hense
my comment that I've never seen him play and neither have you. It doesn't sound
like you have ever seen either of them play really. Congrats on being able to
fully deduce two college recruits based on youtube clips, especially when all of
the people that spend their lives doing it by watching them live don't agree
with you. Someone ought to hire you pronto before they make a mistake on another
#1 qb recruit.
@elmer fuddutah quit against washington, asu and cal in exactly the
same manner BYU quit against utah. They turned the ball over a bunch of times on
offense so the defense quit in the 2nd half of each game. They then played a
bunch of weak teams down the stretch and managed to beat all of them other than
the very worst team they played, colorado, in which the entire team seemed to
quit before the game even started.So by my tally utah quit at least
3 times, washington, asu, cal, and just plain didn't even bother trying against
colorado. BYU quit once, against utah. And for all that quitting utah gets to go
to el paso, texas which might be the worst hole in America and none of its fans,
including you, are even going to go with them.Hmmmm....I'll take
quittting once, instead of 3-4 times, never losing to a crappy team like utah
did against the worst team in D1 in Colorado, and going to Dallas instead of not
even bothering to go to el paso any day. Quit on 4 games and your
"fans" quit on your bowl game.LOL!
And the beat goes on. In summary, both BYU and Utah had disappointing seasons,
though the record will show that BYU was 9-3 and Utah was 7-5. BYU lost a game
to Utah by a score that no one would have predicted or which could never be
duplicated. Jake Heaps, the guy with the golden arm but with happy feet melted
in the face of mental and physical pressure. Only he knows if he has what it
takes to play the college game against tough opposition. Wearing a "don't
hit the quarterback" jersey in practice is a little different than facing a
wicked pass rush in a game. He just couldn't seem to read defenses and look off
his primary receivers and find open secondaries. He may or may not find success
somewhere else. I hope he does. BTW, Mangum and Hansen will both have to prove
themselves on the field, not on comment boards.
@ Y Grad / Y DadUtah didn't quit in the Colorado game. Obviously you
don't know what quitting is. Utah was trailing the whole game and they responded
by fighting back and getting themselves back in the game. They had 3 missed
field goals which is unfortunate but it's part of football. BYU has no excuse in
the Utah game. Utah started building a commanding lead and BYU showed no
resilience and no heart, but instead they let Utah score at will. Quitters!Actually Utah finished 6th in the Pac-12 with overall record. That is
right there in the middle of the PAC. Not bad for their first year. I'll take
beating up the bottom feeders of the PAC over playing a bunch of mid-major
nobody's with nothing to play for any day. Good luck against
another mid-major nobody "Golden Hurricane" team. You may need it! The
Utes are looking better for next year. We'll have a few back up QB's for Wynn
which will help us. Utah is looking at beating the Y 3 years in a row, 8 of the
last 11 years. Good luck with that, you will definitely need it!
Tebow == NelsonThe Bronco's finally played a good team and they got
thumped. Tebow is adequate to defeat the lesser NFL teams but he simply can't
produce enough offense to keep up with the Patriots, Packers, Saints, etc....
Nelson is adequate to defeat the Idaho's and New Mex States, etc...
but when BYU plays a real team - top 30 college team - they will hit the same
wall that the Bronco's hit yesterday. Nelson is pretty much one dimensional -
75% run and 25% pass and good defenses will simply play tight man defense and
force him to throw into tight coverage. If BYU can't run the ball they are dead
against superior competition with Nelson running the show. In the past, BYU
could be overmatched physically but they always had a QB that could stretch the
field and equalize things offensively. Time to face reality BYU fans!!
@DuckhunterSorry I'm not a Utah fan or BYU fan, I like college
football and follow all state teams. I was actually a strong BYU fan for years
but fans like you turned me into just a fan. I want all state teams to win, but
haven't watched a BYU vs Utah game for over 5 years. The rivallry is just
ridiculous with hatred on both sides, so I choose to not get involved at all. I
have watched film of both and it is only my opinion of who I would prefer based
on what quaerterbacks are successful in college now. Hanse fits that more than
Mangum. Mangum is good but BYU fans expect so much.
Y Grad / Y DadThe Colorado game didn't have any quitters. The team
lost due to 3 missed field goals. Sure, the team could have played better, but
the team showed up enough to win.When I say quitters, I mean the
following:1) Jake Heaps throws an INT and heads to the sideline
without trying to tackle.2) The team lets John White score 3 TD's up the
middle for over 30 yards each. Just plain gave up against Utah.Why
does everybody think the Utes are bottomdwellers of the PAC? You know, the Utes
finished in the MIDDLE, last place belongs to the likes of Arizona and Oregon
St. Check it!Spin all you want, these are the FACTS.
Luv 2 Troll UThanks for feeding my ego by commenting! But I don't
think I'd play the "quitters" card quite yet. Colorado ring any
bells?And taking the WAC by storm? As opposed to taking the
basement of the PAC by default??? Because I think finishing 8th in a twelve
team race pretty much means you are the best of the worst. But it IS in a
formerly prestigious conference.Good luck against the "Ramblin'
Wreck." Their defeat of U will help build their relevance in time for the
Y to play them next year.
I know the Hansens and Mangums and have discussed each of their sons' potential
with them. BYU "fans" will love Mangums and will/do now hate Hansen.
Hansen's fall from greatness in BYU "fans" eyes is similar to the fall
of Heaps. 6 months ago Cougar fan was telling us how great Jake was/is. Now
they tell us he is no good. Following BYU "fan" is like
riding Mr Toad's wild ride.
I'm a die-hard Cougar fan, CougarClub member, and have enjoyed college football
for years. But I just find something wrong with this comment, "But when it comes game day, you get that adrenalin and then you get
those shots that numb you up so you don't feel much when you go out and
play."I know football players get numbed up before games and
BYU is no different, but I was hoping that they would be different and adopt a
policy of not using pain-killing drugs to enable players to play. If they have
pain that cannot be tolerated, they should be able to heal properly and not risk
further injury or potential pain-killing addiction.I find this
disturbing and would hope that BYU would manage this dark side of college
football in a different more ethical manner.
@ Y Grad/Y DadBYU played with heart? Didn't the Cougies quit when
they played the Mighty Utes during the beat down? Utah was 0-4 in
conference play when Jordan Wynn went down. You would think the team would quit
like a certain team down south did. But Utah showed resiliency and got
themselves back in the Pac-12 south race and were a field goal kick away from
playing in the conference championship game. A team not giving up on their
season and fighting as hard as they can to get back in the conference race. That
shows a lot of heart! We can thank coach Whitt and Chow for a fantastic job they
have done with the circumstances they were in. Utah a team of ego?
look at Jake Hypes, all your silly slogans every year, and all your celebration
tackles after each play. It's like BYU won the Super Bowl or something. I'm proud of my Utes this year. They showed a lot of heart and
resiliency. We finished 7-5, but I'll take that with a Sun Bowl berth any day
over a quitting team.
So,- Bronco once complained about entitled parents/players (probably
referring to Jake)- Jake couldn't perform against top defenses
because they take away your first/second options, and Jake's skitterishness
required him to throw quickly to his first option, which is why he did well
versus lesser defenses (first option mostly open)- Jake's a practice
phenom; Riley's a game phenom; and, it's pretty apparent by his own comments
that Jake has yet to realize that- Jake still thinks he's "all
that" (knows he can throw a bullet), so he can't understand why he's not
the starterIMO, this is why Jake is transferring.Riley
would NEVER espouse these thoughts. He won't throw a teammate under the bus.
@unluckySounds like you know all there is to know about Hansen and
Mangum? I've never seen Mangum play, and doubt you have either, but I have seen
Hansen play almost weekly for the last 10 years and in just about every sport
you can imagine, football, baseball, basketball, and he is a fantastic athlete.
Really he is simply a great athlete. But he does not have a D1
quality arm, no better than Riley Nelsons to be quite honest with you, and he is
not very accurate. I went to his "signature" win this last season
against Bingham, it was the game that pretty much 'made' him. He had a great
game and Lone Peak pounded Bingham. But lost in all the hype of that game is the
fact he had a stretch where he had 9 straight incompletions, many of them to
wide open wr's, and that was pretty common for him in all his games. I've seen you post before so I know you are a utah "fan" but just
making a definitive claim that utah's recruit is superior to BYU's is laughable
considering you're a utah homer and have never seen Mangum play. LOL!
Y Grad / Y Dad,Last I checked, BYU was the team with a ton of ego
(and not to mention quitters).Good luck this bowl game to the team
that entered and took the WAC by storm!
By the way, Tanner Mangum is the real deal. He's not a runner, but that kid can
worf | 11:32 p.m. Dec. 18, 2011 Mcallen, TXAnyone can think on
this board, it's made for people like us to voice opinions and comments. I think
the same as he does. Heaps wants a better shot at getting the most out of
him.Let's see how the Cougies do against their next decent team of
the year. Don't over look them, they are just like the Cougies too, can beat all
the cupcakes on the schedule, but lose to decent teams. They are a perfect fit
for this bowl game.
YgradYdadYes pointing the blame game finger at any one issue is
small minded and extremely narrow in scope and focus.Heaps has
chosen to move on I wish him good luck and gods speed in is next life adventure.
Fortunately, life does close doors and new ones will open and it is up to the
individual to exercise courage and faith or crumble at the prospect. I think Jake will choose the latter, good luck son.
I'm glad Riley's comments were cool. He's handled this well. All anyone can do
is "guess" why Jake Heaps left. If Nelson doesn't know why Heaps left,
then there is no way I'm going to know why. And Nelson was with Heaps day after
day. All of us just watch games and read the paper. Then its all
trash talk about how horrible Heaps is and how prideful he is and how he only
wants to go to the NFL and how he doesn't care about the team. Really? That's
crazy how you can form that opinion without ever talking to the guy, and just
watching games. What's wrong with a guy having big expectations?
What's wrong with a guy wanting his team to win a national championship? What's
wrong with a college player wanting to go pro? Shouldn't all the players on
BYU's team want those things? But Heaps actually said it outloud and all of the
sudden he's cocky, or failing expectations.
Practice? Who needs practice?
UnluckySo much to agree with, so much to disagree. I
agree with "just wait and see."I disagree with your
predicted outcome. I agree with your assessment of Bronco, perhaps a
little more favorable. I disagree with never reaching the heights of
BCS contender. bobco, et al,We may never know, which
makes respectful opinions fun to discuss, but I think Jake spiraled out of
reality. He went from small bowl MVP to can't complete simple passes in the
space of nine months. I believe that he lost his confidence, maybe his focus.
Maybe it was getting married at 19, maybe it was just the inability to earn/win
the complete allegiance of the team, hard to know. But his mistakes
weren't coaching mistakes. Perhaps their inability to help him pull out of his
death spiral were at least partially coaching errors. But you
choose: you want players who think things like "girlsee state" with
talent, or qb's who work on the punt team because it helps the team. I'll take
heart over ego every time, and yes, I'd rather BYU lose with heart to the
pampered brats if those are my only choices.
@bobcoWho do you or, any other BYU fans who think the coaches are so
bad, suggest they get to coach. It's easy to say you need better coaches without
ever saying who's better out there that would come to BYU. The fact is because
of BYU'S standards this is what they will always be no matter who the coach is.
They are never going to reach the height of BCS contender, they will be good not
great. Bronco is not an elite coach but he is very good for BYU. he inspires
lesser talent to overachieve which means they win 9 games this year instead of
7. Just because recruiting analysts say some one is better than some one else
doesn't make it so. Chase Hansen is better than Tanner Mangum but isn't rated as
high, just wait and see. Kyle will be lauded as a better coach than Bronco
because Hansen will be better than expected and Mangum just won't measure up to
Oregonian,I am a big BYU fan, and an even bigger Riley Nelson fan.
However, it is clear that Coach Doman wasn't able to develop Heaps into a
successful college QB, and he was clearly not preparing Heaps for the next
level, i.e., the NFL. (Sure, much of the blame falls on Heaps's own shoulders,
but that's not the way Beaps thinks about it when deciding to transfer.)In the coming year, Coach Doman may help coach BYU to a lot of
victories, but he will never develop great QB talent that can succeed in the
NFL. He is not Norm Chow.That said, I am really glad to see Nelson
starting, and I hope he has a huge bowl game and senior season.
bobco - adios. We don't need you.
@amicus I concur.@worfWho said anyone needs
facts to back an opinion. "I think" sounds to me like an opinion
based comment rather than fact.On that note my opinion is that BYU
coaches are not great. Good at getting players to work hard, but I am sick of
having players that are gritty hard workers. I want to see talent. BYU coaches
just can't get enough of it and when they do get the talent they don't know what
to do with it.I am not fully invested at this point and perhaps the
first time I can ever remember in my life. I hope BYU gets beat by Tulsa and
everyone else until Bronco is gone b/c I think he is no good. I would write my
true feelings of the entire BYU football program if I thought the Desnews
wouldn't block it.
amicus | 10:37 p.m. Dec. 18, 2011Ann Arbor, MI"I
think?"What facts do you have for your thinking?
Re: amicus"By coaches, I mean a QB coach and offensive
coordinator that can get the most out of him and prepare him for the next
level"Yeah, those coaches weren't good enough to take a top QB
talent and make him a winner. Yet somehow those same coaches were able to take a
"less" talented Riley and make him into a winner. Go figure. Maybe
heart, work ethic, and toughness count in football afterall.
I think Heaps wants to end up in a situation with better coaches. By coaches, I
mean a QB coach and offensive coordinator that can get the most out of him and
prepare him for the next level.
re: srh83I agree with your comments about Riley. If he can stay healthy,
I think he's going to surprise a lot of people his senior year. I'm
very excited about the match-up with Tulsa. Last year, the game was a mis-match
against UTEP. This year, I think we have two solid football teams going against
each other. The winner likely finishes the season in the Top 25. I hope to see
a lot of Cougar fans yelling with me at the Armed Forces Bowl.I'm
surprised Jake is looking at programs like Kansas. I don't see how a program
like that does anything for his future. I still think his best option was to
redshirt next year and come back strong for his junior and senior seasons at
BYU. But I think he let his pride get in the way of making a good decision for
him and BYU.
Loved the comments by Riley! What a class act! He's a good leader and will do
well in the bowl game and next year. The future is bright for the Cougs!