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Published: Sunday, Dec. 18 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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Esquire
Springville, UT

You think conservatives aren't guilty of "unprincipled governance"? Wake up, buddy. And heaven forbid that the voters should decide who will lead them. Yours is a position of heavy-handedness and imposition of the views of the insiders on the rest of us. You use long-term scare tactics to deceive the voters that the other party is evil and wicked, including a de facto co-opting of the LDS Church, then you control the process so as to crush any views that differ from yours. There is no difference between what you offer and heavy handed pseudo-democracies like Putin's Russia or Iran. And when your party loses an election, you do not support the winning candidate (like Obama) as patriotic Americans have done in the past, but you seek to nullify that election and stop him even at the detriment of the nation. Your views a dangerous ones which will lead to oppression.

JustGordon
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Your use of the term RINO in your letter merely confirms, as ironically, you attempt to defend the caucus system, why in Utah it no longer reflects the values of the community.

RINO suggests some purity test, and if that test is not passed then you are not a real Republican. This means that there then can be little variation in ideological belief in the Republican party. When that happens, the extremists have taken over.

Your letter is admission that such is the case, and is ironically proof of the need to change.

EJM
Herriman, UT

With all due respect to the author who I have no doubt is sincere in his posting but this is one of the funniest letters to the editor I have seen in a long time. The terms "liberal end of the GOP" haven't been put together in I can't remember when.

Now with that said when you make a general statement that infers that those who do not attend their local caucus meetings because they are not as well educated or informed then your statement smacks of an elitist mentality that insults those who can't attend or who are fed up with the railroad tactics employed by many who run the meetings. I would prefer to have the masses vote, even if they occasionally get it "wrong". That is the beauty of our system. Every few years we get the chance to vote in a bunch of new rascals. America: what a concept!

amicus
Ann Arbor, MI

"Delegates selected by the neighborhood meetings are far more informed than the general populace." This comment reeks of political elitism. Ironically, it is you that sounds like a RINO. If you are so sure of your ideas, you would open up the primary process to everyone.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Even Bruce admits that the caucus system can be controlled politically by his statement RINO's were happy with the caucus system when they had control.

The conservative notion that only the well informed should be allowed to vote, takes us back to the times when white people prevented some people from voting using an intelligence test.

The big problem is, how does one become informed. Listen to Fox, talk radio, left and right media, church or the street corner. Im sure that there are some people who have the answer.

I would like to see a personal resume, sort of like when a person applies for a job, prepared by the candidates giving pertinent and verifiable information. And block out all the other propagandizing from the media.

And a state wide election for all state government positions.

@Charles
the greater outdoors, UT

The letter writer was spot on. The 5 posts above are just nice sophistry. The silent majority is awake and made great changes in 2010 and will continue to make changes in 2012.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Thank you Mr. Allen for your excellent article. Re: Esquire I would suppose that those that did not support Mr. Bush and tried to block his policies, legislation, and wars would be considered by you to be "unpatriotic" just like those that you indicate stand in the way of Mr. Obama?

amicus
Ann Arbor, MI

As part of the silent majority, we want to have our voices heard in our own party. Please set aside your elitist ways and give us - the silent majority - the opportunity to be heard. Although you have mislead yourselves with your own pride, you are not better informed. You may view yourselves as "above the fray," but you cannot keep the majority silent forever.

goatesnotes
Kamas, UT

I feel so sorry for people who feel "manipulated" by the "system." Individual freedom, choice and accountability is what American politics is all about. You only make your one vote count if you become informed, actively involved and participate. Circle the caucus date in your neighborhood - it's coming up on March 15th (Thursday). You can do an online search to find out where your precinct meets and when. There are about 3500 Republican precincts in Utah. Everyone has ample opportunity for participation. Only you can avoid being manipulated, and yes, you can make a difference IF you become educated. It's not as difficult as some would have you believe. If you feel isolated it's only because that is what you have chosen.

amicus
Ann Arbor, MI

The sole purpose of the caucus system is to keep the majority of Republicans silent. In spite of your ego telling you otherwise, you are not more well informed than the silent majority. Part of individual freedom is giving individuals the right to vote. Justify it all you want, but your elitist views do not represent the silent majority.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

If you are Republican and are anything other than a far right extremist, go to a caucus ONLY if you are prepared to be subjected to mob action and verbal abuse. My husband and I went. We're mainstream Republicans. At first the mob tried to yell us down. When that didn't work, and we kept expressing our opinions and viewpoints, We were ignored. When we STILL kept trying to express our opinions and viewpoints, we were invited to leave. The mob only wanted people there who would go along with them, and were not willing to debate or even listen to a contrary opinion.

The best way for ALL Republicans to express their views is by primary election. That's the most fair way for candidates to be selected. The caucus system needs to be replaced with a primary election.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

@Charles | 8:23 p.m. Dec. 18, 2011

yeah, the caucus system did a great job in eliminating bob bennett, for mike lee.
So instead of a long term politican, we now have a politican that wants to form "SUPER PACS" a concept that is making even the current politicans shake their heads. And he has only been in for two years, I wonder what else he will do with the remaining four years, Be careful what you wish for comes to mind.
We would have been better to keep Bob Bennett in the senate. In my mind he has more integrity then Lee.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

Listening to Limbaugh, Hannity, or Beck, does not make you a more informed voter. Many of the things on their program; in my opinion are propaganda.
These men are performers; who have become very wealthy, by putting on an act; and presenting an image.
They are no different then Alice Cooper, Ozzy Osborne, or Marilyn Manson.

amicus
Ann Arbor, MI

To Furry1993,

Thanks for sharing your story. In my experience, if you can express the same viewpoints using Fox News buzzwords and phrases, then caucus-goers are more likely to listen to you. Conservative entertainment fosters a rigid us-versus-them mentality, but you can help bridge that gap by using familiar buzzwords and phrases.

As for the comment about partisan news, the latest studies show that people that watch either Fox News or MSNBC are actually less informed than people that don't watch the news at all. In other words, partisan news is directly correlated with less knowledge about actual, real-world events.

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