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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 14 2011 11:56 p.m. MST

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Wyclif
OREM, UT

I am sorry Mitt Romney has to be the one to help his Church break the Cult stereotype, but it has to be done. It is all in the name of progress. I just hope he can also get elected. We need a president who understands financial matters and can use that to turn our great country around.

Bells42
NEW HAVEN, CT

As a life long member of the LDS church, I have heard the church receive numerous "name calling" slurs...'cult, moonie, polygamist, etc." They would be funny if not for the fact that there are good, sincere people who actually believe the name calling. I remember as a child asking my mother why people made up such outlandish comments about the church when they were obviously not true. I never forgot her answer. She said, "If you have something that will take you closer to returning to your Heavenly Father, than anything else on earth, it will make Satan fighting mad and he will use every trick in the book to distract good people from listening."

If Romney is the best candidate and people are misdirected by the anti-mormon slurs, it would be tragic. I was for Herman Cain. If those charges against him are untrue, that would also be tragic. People actually change history with misguided spoken words.

TripleCrown
Santa Ana, CA

The poorly worded headline of this article gave me the impression that Bergman had resigned after Gingrich had referred to the LDS church as a "cult". I had to carefully reread the first few paragraphs several times to correct my original impression. Why not just say "Gingrich campaign forces Iowa Political Director to resign for "Cult of Mormon" comment"?

deep in thought
Salt Lake, UT

The thing I don't get about these anti Mormon pastors: 1) Have any of them looked into the Mormon religion apart from strange anti-mormon books etc. What is so horrible about a church with unpaid clergy that teaches their members to live Christian lifestyles and donate 10 percent of their money as tithe plus a Fast Offering to the poor. Also a church that has donated millions to poor countries/disaster relief and to education . 2) Do any of these clergy read the Bible (and live by it)? Jesus clearly teaches everyone to love your neighbor and to turn the other cheek. Every time I hear a story like this it makes me cringe.

Convert
Cedar City, UT

I believe the ill will from other churches, especially evangelical protestants, is rooted in the 19th century church. Our records say God told Joseph that the other churches were wrong. Joseph also wrote that other churches were of the devil. And Mormon Doctrine laid much of the Falling Away at the feet of other churches.

These charges have lingered. Several years ago a bishop told me he would keep his distance from a local pastor because they taught things inspired by the devil.

The Church is distancing itself now from that kind of talk. We partner with other churches locally and in larger ways to serve people. The Catholic pope is sometimes quoted in Church publications.

The ill will from evangelicals is likely related to the divisiveness between LDS and protestants since 1830. It will take time to heal and disappear.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Bells42
[I remember as a child asking my mother why people made up such outlandish comments about the church when they were obviously not true. I never forgot her answer. She said, "If you have something that will take you closer to returning to your Heavenly Father, than anything else on earth, it will make Satan fighting mad and he will use every trick in the book to distract good people from listening."]

Personally, I think people make outlandish comments about everything. For instance, we just had a group in Florida protest Lowe's and other companies for advertising for a show about Muslims because they thought the show wrongly portrayed Muslims as not extremists.

Bells42
NEW HAVEN, CT

To "Deep in thought" I might add the 13th Article of Faith of the LDS church.

"We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul-We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. "

We hear that admonishment continually in the church.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

Why would God allow 4 more years of barack? The only reason I can think of, is that our country has become too wicked and God is allowing us to suffer the consequences.

Let's hope the voters are smart enough to not allow 4 more miserable years of barack or with many of these polticians that are focused on destroying us while lining their pockets with money.

It's time to pass a balanced budget amendment. It's time to make it against the law for congress, senate, president and the supreme court to legally do insider trading. It's time to get rid of any leader that thinks borrowing more money is the solution.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

So why do so many LDS people continue their undying support of the republican party?

Haven't heard one of those evil democrats refer to the LDS church as a cult.

Bells42
NEW HAVEN, CT

To "Convert" ...I would add the 11th Article of Faith of the LDS church.

"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may."

These were written by Joseph Smith himself. In the early days of the settlement of Salt Lake Valley, it was the Latter-Day Saints who gave assistance to a church of another faith to build their church.

The way I word it to non-members is that there are many good things and teachings in other churches. Keep the good and then learn more. What we have to offer are the missing pieces of the puzzle that Heavenly Father wants us to know. I always give credit to the Catholic Church for the foundation it gave to my husband to be a good family man and to recognize the need for a church with a strong foundation and priesthood authority. In his words...."I learned many good things in the Catholic Church...then I learned there was more...."

Convert
Cedar City, UT

@Bells42
Your response is right on. The Catholic and protestant churches did retain the foundations of the Gospel. The Bible and teachings of many early protestants preserved many truths that lead to the establishment of our country and eventually to Joseph Smith's revelations.

We often say that before someone criticizes the Church, they should join with us and see what is taught. We, on the other hand, tend to take our opinions from leaders and older scriptures in labelling other churches apostate. Maybe we should visit them, get to know more about their beliefs. We would come to love them and recognize they are just like us: pursuing peace and good will.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Liberal Ted
"Why would God allow 4 more years of barack? The only reason I can think of, is that our country has become too wicked and God is allowing us to suffer the consequences."

Because God doesn't intervene in elections so it would mean that the people wanted 4 more years of Barack.

"Let's hope the voters are smart enough to not allow 4 more miserable years of barack or with many of these polticians that are focused on destroying us while lining their pockets with money."

Miserable = 22 straight months of gaining jobs (albeit at a slow rate)? I'm sure you think Obama is doing a terrible job, since he's not even succeeding at the destroying that you think he wants to do.

"It's time to pass a balanced budget amendment."

If they wanted a balanced budget they could just write a balanced budget bill. They don't need the amendment unless they're looking for a symbolic vote that means nothing so they can fool voters into thinking they actually care.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Counter Intelligence,

Not sure I would trust a poll on this topic. This is a poll where you are asking people to admit they are bigoted based on a person's religion. Not sure that this type of poll has any reliability whatsoever. I just don't think that the majority of Americans really want to admit that they are religious bigots.

Just curious what would be your assessment for why republicans would turn to Newt rather than Mitt if it isn't religion. Especially since the republicans are find marital fidelity so important.

Vanka
Provo, UT

I agree with Bergman. It is too bad a man cannot speak the truth in this politically correct atmosphere without getting penalized for it.

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

CI,

I agree that Gallup is about as good as it gets in polling. I still don't believe there is a high degree of validity or reliability in a poll when you are asking someone to admit religious bigotry.

I appreciate your response about Mr. Gingrich, and I believe that many republicans have convinced themselves that he is more of a fighter, not based on the fact that he holds strong to positions (you can find as many morphed or flip flopped positions in the Mr. Gingrich's past as you can in Mr. Romney's past)but the fact that he is more outspoken often times to the point of being pompous and rude.

I think Mr. Gingrich is brilliant and is spot on in many of his positions, but I for one cannot overlook his marital infidelity particularly when he was heading up impeachment proceeding against a sitting president for doing the exact same thing he was doing when he was 2nd in line to the presidency . I don't believe you can separate a persons personal life and professional life. I don't understand how republicans who claim to be the party of the family, can support Mr. Gingrich

Andronicus
Herriman, UT

I have nothing against the LDS church, its members, or a presidential candidate of a particular religion...what bothers me is when members of any denomination (particularly mormons)refer to their religion as "THE" church. I understand your strong beliefs but your church is not "THE" church. Stop referring to your church as the only one in existence and you may open your eyes to others in your community and country. As a non-LDS member of a Utah community I feel the first hand snubbing by neighbors because I don't attend "THE" church, stop judging and ridiculing others...and yes, I would vote for Romney if he gets the nod...even if I'm not in "THE" church.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Gingrich got results as Speaker. People are generally aware of things that were done and he's going to get credit for things like being the Speaker when the budget was last under control. Because Romney's at the state level people are less likely to be aware of what he's done and the only things they know he's done tend to be things like Romneycare.

That could be part of what generates a preference for Gingrich among conservatives.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

There may be a thousand pastors ready to expose LDS as a cult. The LDS have a lot more full time missionaries willing to testify of the truth. I will remain LDS. The world can call mormons whatever they want. I think calling us a cult is just plain juvenile.

hope4ever
Glen Alpine, NSW

It is so tiring to hear ignorant comments like that. Anyone that has ever stepped into a "Mormon" chapel would realise every chapel bears the name of Jesus Christ on it and anyone who has ever sat in any meetings would realise that the whole religion centres around Christ. In fact I can honestly say that Mormons are more Christian than any other Christians I have ever met. Ignorance is not a good trait for any politician so if Gingrich wants to succeed as a politician then he has to do his research before jumping to conclusions about any group of people.

Bells42
NEW HAVEN, CT

Responding to several posts.... My home state was hugely democratic. You can be assured that anti-Mormon can be bi-partisan (smile) . It isn't the "mean old Democrats" as someone mentioned in a post. Many in Congress are Democrats & LDS and also many that are Republican & LDS.

Some members say things that are irritating to others, These are INDIVIDUALS speaking for themselves and they are not perfect. They are NOT speaking on behalf of the church itself. My parents always welcomed the Jehovah Witness missionaries into our home and bought their pamphlets. They said they wanted others to welcome our missionaries so we should be kind to them. A visitor one day made a negative comment about a Jehovah Witness and I thought my mother was going to kick them out the door! Each person needs to learn tolerance and it sometimes is greatly influenced on the way they were raised themselves.....just as the anti-Mormon comments come from GOOD people who are mimicking myths and misinformation they were taught. Even the ministers who preach the "cult" dialog have may have good intent but unfortunately ar misled themselves.

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