Jesus and his family were undocumented immigrants to Egypt. Would you throw
Jesus out of the country as well?
Re: "its [sic] funny that people say liberals,bout [sic] this article when
most companies that hire illeagal [sic] people are conservative and pay the sub
par wages."History shows it's primarily the liberals -- like
Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, and most of those
President Clinton nominated to serve as judges and high government officials --
that pay those sub-par wages to the illegals they hire.It's really
entertaining to watch the liberals bob and weave, trying to making cogent
arguments out of emotional outbursts.They really ought'ta rethink
trying to weave religion into their arguments. They're too unfamiliar with both
the language and the concepts, and their ignorance just makes 'em look silly.
DF, punish BOTH the worker and the employer.But it's hard to hold the boss
to account when our politicians refuse to make E-Verify mandatory. Leave them a
gaping loophole and they will take it.In the end the root problem is the
same; special interests getting there way while the laws of the land are
Don't punish the illegals, punish those who hire them.Illegals
wouldn't be here if they couldn't get jobs. If the jobs go away, the
illegals will leave of their own accord. The solution is never as
complicated as those in government would like us to believe.
its funny that people say liberals,bout this article when most companies that
hire illeagal people are conservative and pay the sub par wages. in the day they
will say they want a fence and at night they hire people from mexico. you know
that is the truth. money is the only god in this country.
Rifleman:Why leave Jesus out? He is the Savior of all mankind.
That you might not like it is of zero consequence.
I want to hold a candle light vigil for those that lost jobs due to Swift giving
those jobs to Illegal Immigrants. I would also like to include in that vigil
that American United States, Utah taxpayer for having to pay for the benefit
packages and food stamps that the Illegal Immigrants that worked for Swift, used
while they were working for them.
@BobPOne BIG difference in your point....Christ was not breaking
laws ! ! !So if you think that I would have been one of those who
were yelling to "Crucify Him", you are presuming a lot. I am also
resuming that you really do not even know what a Pharisee is. Please know what
you are talking about before you post.
Re: BobP | 9:20 a.m. Dec. 13, 2011 "They are the same ones who would
have cried out 'Crucify Him, Crucify Him!'"Is this some
reference to the fact that Jesus taught that we should obey the law? We banned
Jesus from our schools and public meetings and some people still want to bring
Him out of the closet, dust Him off, and use Him to make some political
point.For your information Jesus wasn't real big on adultery or
abortions either so I suggest that we leave Him out of this political
There should be immigration enforcement changes since that raid. We learned
from the Tribune that a lot of the workers just claimed to be citizens and
showed fake documents, thus letting them get away. Obviously the law enforcers
should be validating citizenship claims to a higher degree. And, Swift itself
did not get penalized as heavily as it should have. I would have considered
RICCO charges and just seized the business, rather than having it sold. That
kind of enforcement might get employer's attention.
Just a comment about "immigration reform" that is mentioned so many
times in articles like this. I think reform should mainly address employers who
hire illegals and make some severe penalties and strict enforcement and, address
what to do about public officials/politicians who take the oath to uphold our
laws but DO NOT! Tweak the number of LEGAL immigrant visas allowed slightly,
even though the USA does now take in more than any other country (25% of all
countries total immigrants). The country in second place takes in only one
third as many as the USA does. Viva Legal immigration.
procuradorfiscal | 7:47 a.m. Dec. 13, 2011 "Though most are
aelf-proclaimed "egalitarians," liberals are quick to suggest that
some criminals are WAY more equal than others. They'd love to watch
Vice-President Cheney be frog-marched to jail, or President Bush be arrested for
war crimes in Canada, yet they shed great crocodile tears over the family
separation that illegals bring upon themselves.It's funny how unabashed
anti-family liberals quickly become born-again pro family zealots, when it
serves their anti-American political purposes. "@procuradorfiscal, So you are saying that DN, which owned by the LDS Church,
are liberals, anti-family- anti-American, etc., considering their views on
illegals?????? Perhaps you should pay more attention to the labels you are
Jesus also said to "render unto Ceasar the things that be Ceasar's"
In this case, Ceasar said that thou shalt not enter until you pass the
requirements. I doubt the ability to sneek under a fence or wade the Rio Grande
is on the entrance specification sheet.If you are going to invoke
Christianity, please use the whole plan and not just those parts that fit your
argument at the time.
"... and employers whose attempts to verify the documents provided to them
by employees proved to be futile." I'd be very interested to
see this statement developed in this or another article. If employers are
trying to hire only legal residents or workers legally in country but they can't
guarantee that their efforts will uncover the illegal applicants I'd be
interested to know what they're trying and why its not working. The lure of
jobs seems to be the big draw, maybe that's where the efforts should be
targeted, that and making it not so hard for people who want to be come citizens
to do so.
American business could not make a profit unless they used illegal help. A
Brazilian company stepped in, raised wages (up to $18 an hour) and has made a
profit with legal workers. Those that break the law, break the
do they hold scandle light vigils for those that broke our other laws?
@BobP"And the Pharisees go on and on.They are the
same ones who would have cried out 'Crucify Him, Crucify Him!'"Overly generalized and simplified comparisons do not a point make.Being a Christian I'm sure you are familiar with Christ telling the Sinner to
"Go and sin no more." This article is a shining example
of how illegals care little for our laws. It is readily admitted that most that
were deported are back in the U.S. working. In other words they are back to
violating our sovereignty, stealing identities and falsifying documents. Are they following Christs edict to "Go and sin no more"? I think
the answer is obvious.
The only thing I think needs to be reformed about the law is this: when you are
caught the first time, you are sent back to your home country. When you are
caught the second time, you go to federal prison and spend your days building a
wall along our border.
And the Pharisees go on and on.They are the same ones who would have
cried out "Crucify Him, Crucify Him!"
Seven comments and all seven support our laws. Obviously the illegal aliens do
not support or respect our laws. And I agree with BO, about the DMN biased
reporting. How about an article on the citizens (and their families) that were
able to find employment at this and other plants.
And if they, the illegal immigrants, had decided to enter our country legally,
there would not have been a raid five years ago. And if Swift had not exploited
these illegals for monetary gain, there would not have been a raid five years
ago. Do not attempt to lay a guilt trip on law abiding citizens when criminals
are punished for their illegal actions. When are we going to start laying the
blame for this illegal immigration problem where it rightfully belongs, on the
corrupt Mexican government and certain U.S. elected officials who attract
illegals with veiled promises of amnesty, strictly for political gain. Make no
mistake, if the huge number of illegals in this country suddenly become
legal...with the right to vote...this country will cease to exist as we know it.
It will become a one party system and things will get very ugly.
While many of the undocumented workers returned to the United States, What a
joke! This just shows the respect these people have for our laws. Oh but they
are just working at jobs americans won't do. Most will break any of our laws if
they think they can get away with. As far as Swift is concernced they also were
thumbing their nose at the law thinking thay also could get away with it. I have
no sympathy for any of them.
Re: ". . . the raid . . . scared people, disrupted the business community
and split up families."Isn't that what normally happens when
criminals are arrested?Though most are aelf-proclaimed
"egalitarians," liberals are quick to suggest that some criminals are
WAY more equal than others. They'd love to watch Vice-President Cheney be
frog-marched to jail, or President Bush be arrested for war crimes in Canada,
yet they shed great crocodile tears over the family separation that illegals
bring upon themselves.Apparently some families are more equal than
others, too.It's funny how unabashed anti-family liberals quickly
become born-again pro family zealots, when it serves their anti-American
>spread fearWhen you're guilty of a crime--especially a crime as
serious as intentionally breaching the borders of a sovereign nation without
authorization--you'll have fear. ("Wickedness never was
happiness.")There's one reason why I'm never afraid of being
arrested for committing a crime.I. Don't. Commit. Crimes.Illegal entrants into the United States may want to try that policy to
alleviate their fear...Integrity. What a concept!
Let's get one thing straight. They are illegal, not "undocumented".
Enough of the P.C. garbage.
Wow, they talk about how much it cost to re-hire and advertise for new jobs but
says nothing about how much it cost the taxpayers to pay for these
"undocumented" famiies education, welfare and health care! How about
some figures on this DN! Let's follow many of these people to see just how much
we the tax payers have to fork out to support these people. And then lets go to
all the local businesses and see just the cost of all those spanish language
signs they have to put up along with all the labels on every product. Let's look
at all the costs. Sure, I hate to break up families, but are you going to tell
me that they didn't think about that when they broke the law by entering this
country in the first place? DN, your very liberal side is showing and it is not
good. Where is your common sense.
Swift was engeaged in illegal activity by employing illegal aliens so I don't
feel sorry for the owners and managers for any ill effects of getting caught.
Now the plants employ legal US residents.All things considered, the
raids were a resounding success story.As for the families broken up
- when ANYONE breaking the law in ANY manner goes to prison, aren't their
families broken up? You don't see sob stories published about them.
Is this journalism? This article is so biased. Families need not be split.
The entire family may join the illegal in their home state.