@m.g. scott:"A border state, such as Arizone cannot legally do
anything to prevent non-US people from coming in."Arizona can
do something. It can get and agreement to partnership with the Fed for
immigration law enforcement as per following:Immigration and
Nationality Act (INA) Section 287(g) [codified at 8 U.S.C. Â§
1357(g)] authorizes the Federal Government to enter into agreements with state
and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform
immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement,
provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training
and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs
Enforcement (ICE) officers."Does that make any sense? Anyone?
What am I missing?"See above.
Consider the ramifications if the Supreme Court upholds Obama and Holders'
nonsensical position! Wouldn't that mean that if a state is invaded
by illegal aliens with the purpose of taking over a state and doing harm to the
citizens (already happening)then the state is powerless to do anything?At what point will a state be able to protect its citizens from foreign
invaders?The federal police forces (ICE, ATF, border patrol)have
been politicized. What do the states do when those federal agencies we hire
(and expect)to protect us are given orders to "look the other way"?
@sportsfan21:"I meant to say something along the lines of 'When
federal legislation allows officers to arrest anyone suspected of being illegal,
then Arizona state troopers can do the same.'"State troopers
can't make arrests as relates to immigration, which, according to AG Eric
Holder, is a federal task and responsibility... although, so far, Holder has
made little or no effort in that direction."It's not that the
state can't help the feds enforce laws, they just can't make them."States don't need immigration laws. There's sufficient federal
immigration laws. The puzzling thing about this whole issue is, federal and
state governments could get together and draw up agreements where states can
pitch in and held the fed enforcement. There are states with such agreements.
These agreements would save much consternation. And SCOTUS wouldn't need to get
involved. Easy solution.
@wrzI was a little unclear. I meant to say something along the lines
of "When federal legislation allows officers to arrest anyone suspected of
being illegal, then Arizona state troopers can do the same." It's not that
the state can't help the feds enforce laws, they just can't make them. I agree
with you that state and local officers are needed to enforce federal laws.
However, Arizona can't give their officers more power than the feds are. As an
example, the federal government has control over trade between countries and
they allow local authorities to uphold the laws. The state of Washington can't
make laws about imports even though they have the power to uphold laws already
in place.@MG ScottArizona can use laws in place to
arrest illegal immigrants (not just someone they suspect to be illegal). It's no
different than Florida not being able to suspend the need for search warrants in
an attempt to battle drugs.
Does this make sense to any of you. A border state, such as Arizone cannot
legally do anything to prevent non-US people from coming in. Only the Federal
Government can do that. Then when the Feds fail to do it, the same state still
cannot do anything to stop it. Then if the illegal makes it into the state,
the state has an obligation to feed, house, educate, and provide medical care to
the person(s) who should not be there at all. Then when the state asks the Feds
to at least pay for this expense, they say "it's your problem". Does
that make any sense? Anyone? What am I missing.
@worf realy worf? five of the nine justices where appointed by
republicans only two of the nine are Obama appointees. it would really help if
you knew some basic facts before posting.
If they uphold it, Arizona can go bankrupt as try to enforce it.
correction (justice dept)NOT sue California:: was what was meant!
Here's some info related. The California Assembly is moving a law through to
give illegal aliens citizenship! Figure that one out. If the Federal Government
is sueing states from stopping illegal immigration or in providing benefits then
why does the Federal Government and the Administration(Justice Dept) sue
California for usurping its authority like it claims Arizona is doing? Why?
Because the Obama administration supports not enforcing the Constitution! By the way Governor Jerry Brown and the Assembly passed another law in
the last few weeks to provide at least 65 million dollars in higher education
grants to illegal aliens! Paid for by all the citizen tax payers in California
even if they can't afford to send their own kids to school! The Administration
is not sueing California for failing to provide equal protection to its citizens
or legal minors? Why? Because the Obama Administration supports bigotry,
discrimination and racial profiling as long as it promotes his desired bigotry,
discrimination and racial profiling against American Citizens!
@sportsfan21:"Unless Federal officers are given the right to
arrest any suspected illegal immigrant, an Arizona State Trooper can't."Federal law permits working relationships between federal and state law
enforcement. For example, the federal ATF (Alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and
explosives) cite contains the following mission statement:'A unique
law enforcement agency in the United States Department of Justice that protects
our communities from violent criminals, criminal organizations, the illegal use
and trafficking of firearms, the illegal use and storage of explosives, acts of
arson and bombings, acts of terrorism, and the illegal diversion of alcohol and
tobacco products. We partner with communities, industries, law enforcement, and
public safety agencies to safeguard the public we serve through information
sharing, training, research, and use of technology.'
Anyone who has read the constitution knows that laws pertaining to
naturalization must be passed by federal legislation. Unless Federal officers
are given the right to arrest any suspected illegal immigrant, an Arizona State
Supreme court filled with Obama cronies? Umm? I wonder what they're findings
are going to be?