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  • Man About Town Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 17, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    to Bleed Crimson:

    Your comments make me laugh! Every single post made by the Ute faithful on the one hand talk about how great the Utes are and how bad BYU is. How important Utah is now that you are in the PAC-12, and how irrelevant BYU is going off into independence and obscurity, etc. You see the theme here.

    And yet, when BYU fans point out that Utah had a mediocre season at best, and lost to the doormat of the PAC-12, your comeback is...

    Utah beat BYU 54-10 and that justifies Whittingham's salary increase!

    You can't have it both ways - either:

    1) BYU isn't relevant as you so loudly proclaim over and over and over ad nauseum, or

    2) BYU is relevant and you define success for your season(s) on beating BYU

    Which is it? If BYU announced a huge salary increase for Bronco Mendenhall and BYU fans loudly trumpeted to the world that Coach Mendenhall deserved the pay raise because we thumped FCS Idaho State 56-3, you would die laughing.

    Summary: No matter how much you pretend BYU doesn't matter, Utah fans can't live without comparing themselves to BYU.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 15, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Eddie:

    "Keep up with your memory of just the past couple of years. Please look at ALL the time u were in the MWC. How many conference championships did u win? How many did u win while in the WAC? U do not have a storied program and yes, u were in the middle most of the time."

    In the 12 yrs Utah was a member of the MWC, we won 4 conference championships. TCU also won 4 MWC championships during THEIR tenure from 2005-2011. Both Utah and TCU had 2 undefeated seasons and 2 BCS bowls. The Y won 4 MWC championships, but they were never dominant enough to bust the BCS. Edge: Utah and TCU.

    As for the WAC...who cares? They Y dominated the WAC once the Arizona schools left, but by the time they advanced to the MWC, their days of glory were long gone. The cougars have become an irrelevant has-been. First Bronco had his players lie down on the field at LES and dream of past glories. Then he played his final 2009 regular season game in the cougars' WAC glory years bright royal blue colors. Then finally, he and Holmoe negotiated for readmission to that lower-tiered mid-majorey league. The WAC is where you belong. The Pac-12 is were WE belong. The Big XII is where TCU belongs. Edge: Utah and TCU.

    Have fun down there in the WAC. I'm sure you win lots of games vs. those cupcake league members.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    @Rock Of The Marne

    "BYU lucked out and was AWARDED (did not win) the NC..."
    *********

    Indeed, Mr. Rock, BYU's awarded national championship was the first step to the establishment of the current BCS system which now excludes them.

    The BCS excludes BYU because it demands victory over quality opposition, an ability for which BYU has routinely proven incapable.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2011 11:12 p.m.

    New flash Eddie, BYU did not win a National Championship in 1984, there was no championship game. All BYU did was beat a lousy 6-5 Michigan team (close game despite that fact) in a third rate bowl and a bunch of unranked WAC teams. Then somehow, via a fluke in the rules where BYU wound up the only undefeated team in the country (not hard when you play such a weak schedule) BYU lucked out and was AWARDED (did not win) the NC which led to many collective moans across the country (i.e. Bo Diddly Tech references); 1984 is not something I would be touting as most people outside of Utah view it as a mistake as BYU beat nobody that made the final top 25; that deserves the NC?. Lets see, beating no final ranked teams and then barely beating a 6-5 barley bowl eligible Michigan team in a third rate bowl nobody watched or beating two top 10 and an a additional two top 25 teams including a beat down of a former #1 (earlier in the season) SEC power Alabama Crimson Tide team in a major bowl; not to mention 2004; enough said.

  • DontMUSSwUtah SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 5:58 p.m.

    Eddie-

    How about this, we as utah fans will acknowledge that BYU was all-dominant and that we would have loved to be in your situation in the 70's and 80's, and you can admit that you are 100% jealous that Utah busted the BCS twice in the last decade, were invited to the Pac 12, and have a good chance of challenging for the Pac-12 south in the future. Face it, you can not honestly say that you would trade MWC and WAC championships for going to (and winning) BCS games.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 3:13 p.m.

    @2BCSWINS
    Keep up with your memory of just the past couple of years. Please look at ALL the time u were in the MWC. How many conference championships did u win? How many did u win while in the WAC? U do not have a storied program and yes, u were in the middle most of the time. As to your "something the Y can never do", Never is a long time and it was in 1984 that we did win a NC. Now that is something that the u will never do!

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    @eddie "The u was a middle of the pack MWC team for so many, many years"

    Wake up, the utes were never a middle of the pack mountain west team. The utes had two BCS wins with two undfeated seasons in the mountain west. Something the Y can never do, take this year for example. Perfect year for the Y to have their shot at a BCS game. They play the bottom half of the wac schedule, and get texas and utah who both have a down year. All that and they still can't make it happen, and get embarrased at home by their rival to boot.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 6:57 a.m.

    Howard S says "Big boy coaches in big boy conferences deserve big boy money."

    Let's see how you feel in a few years after the u finish's at or near the bottom of the PAC 12 south year after year after year. I can just hear the u fans now. Time is so sweet when it bears out the way things really are. The u was a middle of the pack MWC team for so many, many years and now that they are in the "Conference of Champions", they will be at or near the bottom and still boast of their status but go nowhere....real fast.

  • Portland Beavers SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 1:10 a.m.

    @gchris

    Now going back to that Wyoming game is as funning as you thinking he is going to loose to byu next year. Utah right now is far above byu in football you cougar fans just have a very hard time saying so. The coaching at the U and especially the player talent is far superior to the y. The y had a very good season against a very week schedule, they did not play close to a PAC-12 schedule.

    gchris, yes we lost to Colorado but you guys keep throwing that back at our face, we beat you by 44 pts. It's time to be quite about all that now, after watching PAC-12 football for a season, it is a totally different game. Until byu plays week after week of BCS football you will never, ever have an idea what it is all about.

    And yes we do deserve Coach Whit.

  • Long Time Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 14, 2011 12:28 a.m.

    @Cougfan in TX

    No taxes used for Coach Whit, all coaches salaries and player scholarships are paid for by money raised for athletic dept. (Crimson Club, Individual donations, Consessions, Sports property sales, etc. Coach Whit is now right in the middle of pay as far as PAC-12 coaches go. As far as this Ute goes he should be more toward the top.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    gchris -

    "I'm one who hopes he never leaves Utah. He and they deserve each other. "
    ___________

    I agree, it's a match made in heaven! Thanks for the well wishes gchris, and I too hope Bronco and BYU stay together forever. I could really get used to 54-10, in Provo no less.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    I love the PAC 12 envy seething from the Cougar Nation at the news of Coach Whit's raise.

    The other great thing is that not only was Whit taken care of, but also the assistant coaches.

    Big boy coaches in big boy conferences deserve big boy money.

  • txusmcret1493 Tyler, TX
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    I may be wrong, but it does look like the BYU juggernaut is headed down hill with a coach that cannot win the big games. Indy in the long run will fail. But perhaps the BYU Board knows something that most of us don't know.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Dec. 13, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    Let's see. Whittinghams team finishes 7-5, barely bowl-eligible, finishes somewhere in the middle of the PAC12, loses to the worst team in the conference and barely beats the third worst team and has the BYU game handed to him and he gets a big raise. Question is: If he gets beat by BYU next year does he give back the money? Also, does he get extra pay for calling for an onsides kick when he's up by forty? I'm one who hopes he never leaves Utah. He and they deserve each other.

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 5:18 p.m.

    Bluto

    You mad bro? Take it easy and stop trying to shove down everyone's throat your slanted rhetoric. It's okay that Utah trumps BYU in many things, it's not the end of the world. I do realize that BYU has certain aspects that are 'better' than the U. But I don't base my happiness on being 'better' than someone or something else. Let it go man, you'll feel a lot better.

    I agree that college football coaches are overpaid. But the athletic department is probably much more informed and savvy with the way things are done. Invest a couple hundred thousand a year more, and hope for a successful season that would return more in the end. That's how investments work.

    I believe Coach Whitt is here to stay for quite some time. This is 'his' program and he has a lot of power and authority in how things are run. I don't see him passing this prime situation up for a questionable coaching job.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 4:37 p.m.

    Well deserved raise for an outstanding coach.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 13, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    This is what happens when your program is relevant and your coach is wanted: Penn State, Texas Tech, ASU - just the schools (that we know of) that wanted Whitt this year alone!

    What offers did Roscoe receive this year (besides the free turnovers)?

    Great to be a Ute!! Go Crimson!!

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 2:38 p.m.

    @ Mark321
    Here's a little extra to prove your point.
    FIRST DOWNS 20 20
    NET YARDS RUSHING 242 11
    Rushing Attempts 38 22
    Average Per Rush 6.4 0.5
    Rushing Touchdowns 3 0
    Yards Gained Rushing 256 61
    Yards Lost Rushing 14 50
    NET YARDS PASSING 239 343
    Completions-Attempts-Int 16-31-1 30-56-1
    Average Per Attempt 7.7 6.1
    Average Per Completion 14.9 11.4
    TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 481 354
    Total offense plays 69 78
    Average Gain Per Play 7.0 4.5
    Fumbles: Number-Lost 1-1 6-6
    Penalties: Number-Yards 3-26 8-70
    PUNTS-YARDS 3-146 6-279
    Average Yards Per Punt 48.7 46.5
    Net Yards Per Punt 35.3 36.3
    KICKOFFS-YARDS 10-667 3-203
    Average Per Return 25.0 15.8
    Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-20-0 1-5-0
    Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 1-57-2 0-0-0

    Red-Zone Scores-Chances 2-4 0-2
    Touchdowns 1-4 0-2
    Field goals 1-4 0-2
    Sacks By: Number-Yards 2-21 0-0
    PAT Kicks 6-7 1-1
    Field Goals 2-3 1-1

  • Paul Revere American Fork, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    This raise, like those of many other coaches across the nation are way out of line. The rate of pay for D-1 football and basketball coaches in all the BCS conferences across the country is destroying Olympic sports at those schools. No coach is worth 2.something million dollars a year. Now before you Utes think I am a bitter Cougar, I am not. I am a bitter supporter of all Olympic sports. Major college basketball and football salaries are destroying sports like cross country, track and field, gymnastics and swimming and diving. In many instances, ADs take the monies needed to run these sports and feed their FB and BB programs. BTW most monies from the TV and BCS do not go to the general funds of colleges, they go to athletics. The U will not see tuition fees lower, and the college professors will not get paid anymore simply because you are a member of an AQ conference. College football and basketball are nothing more then highly paid professional athlete development programs. If anyone wants to watch truly dedicated STUDENT-athletes then support your local Olympic sports programs, or a D-2, D-3 school.

  • ClassyUte SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 2:04 p.m.

    BYU fans bashing on Whit's reputation-

    Give Utah coaches some credit. You know as well as i do that Bronco probably couldn't have done a good of job with this season as Whit did. I'm not trying to draw some kind of hostile reaction, but BYU couldn't beat a decent team this year with 3 good quarterbacks. To go 7-5 with a guy like Hays at the helm is an accomplishment, not to mention injuries to many other key players. Also, his past feats more than make this pay raise legitimate.

    BYU fans who feel the extra 200k he's getting a year would be better spent somewhere else-

    Don't worry about where your taxpayer dollars are going. There has been more construction and building renovations going on at the U of U campus lately than you could care to dream about. I would know, I have to find a detour around them to get to class every day. Do some research please.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Ironman -

    Time to wake up. Your tax dollars are not paying Whittingham's salary. If they were, football would've been abandoned long ago.
    ESPN, FoxSports, Under Armour, PAC 12 bowl revenue, merchandise sales, etc, etc.... are what pays Whittingham's salary.
    And by the way, there's a lot of room for growth!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Bluto -

    You need to do your research. Pretty much everything you wrote is incorrect.
    Do you realize that Utah's athletic budget is in better shape than most of the nation? They've been a model for how to financially plan for growth without dipping too far into debt.
    This isn't to say they never finance anything, but most of their facilities have been built almost entirely with Donor dollars...you might take note of the names on the buildings. Those projects are always spec'ed out, road mapped and then fundraising begins. The ground never breaks until a certain percentage of the funds have already been found.
    As for your awesome facilities down south and how BIG they are ... who cares?
    BYU has a theory of making everything look good by being bigger. Meanwhile when Utah builds something they don't mind sacrificing size for quality.
    Marriott Center - Large. Barn like feel. BLEACHERS!!! Seats too close together...my knees are in the people's heads in front of me. You can have it.
    LES - reference Marriott Center above. You can have it.
    Lastly, some of your tax dollars may go to the U... but little to none go to Athletics. Now my tithing...

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    AltaHawkFan
    "Nothing I wrote was wrong...I'm glad you're fine paying kyle $2.2 million/yr for being a middle-of-the-road pac12 coach. I don't care."
    _______________

    Oh you care... you care enough to post about 10 comments about it.

    And by the way, you absolutely were wrong...you were wrong in your insinuation that I was trying to mislead by saying Whittingham coached in two BCS victories when I was most certainly not trying to mislead a single soul.
    One last time for you...see if you can follow this; coached in, does NOT mean Head Coached in. You're simply hypersensitive to anything that could remotely be misinterpreted in an extra pro-Ute way.
    And the fact does still remain that even had I wanted to say he "Head Coached" in two BCS victories, I could say it and it would be true. You should have walked away from that initial comment thinking I had taken the high road by simply saying "coached."
    I'm done with this...you're way too blue to think straight.

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:40 a.m.

    Utah may be in the market for a new offensive coordinator. Chow is apparently interested in becoming Hawaii's new head coach. lol I suppose the new OC won't demand the salary that Chow receives so Whittingham's salary may not be quite the burden it seems.

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:16 a.m.

    I wonder if any mediocre profs up at the U are getting similar gifts from the administration.... doubtful

  • News For U Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:57 a.m.

    @ Mark321

    "Utah ran BYU out of there own stadium? No, BYU ran BYU out of there own stadium. Most of BYU's turnovers were self-inflicted and you know it. It would be a completely different game with Riley Nelson behind center now I hope you guys have a quarterback coming next year because it looks like Wynn may not be around, and with Nelson coming back next year with the toughness he brings to BYU you should be concerned".

    No, Utah ran BYU out of their own stadium. Your team quit because they were losing bad! 2 of BYU's seven turnovers were self-inflicted, (Jake Hypes circus barrel roll and the doink off the kick returner's face mask),the other 5 were caused by the Utah defense. (Hype's fumble, Diluigi fumbles twice, Hypes throws a pick, Riley's fumble) How do you explain those as self-inflicted? Those were all caused by the Utah defense. I'm tired of hearing Y trolls excuses for their loss. Give credit were credit is due. Riley didn't do any better against us than Hypes did. Jordan Wynn will be back and probably starting and he'll pick apart your defense like this year.

  • PAC 12 loves U Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    @ AltaHawkFan

    "I'm glad you're fine paying kyle $2.2 million/yr for being a middle-of-the-road pac12 coach. I don't care".

    If you don't care what we pay our coach, then why are you even commenting on this board?

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    @ Mark321: By your login, Washington, ASU, and Cal did not beat Utah, Utah beat Utah due to self-inflicted turnovers. Also, Colorado did not beat Utah, Coleman Peterson beat Utah with missed field goals. So the only team to really beat us was USC. Wow, this fantasy world of yours is great.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:50 a.m.

    @ Bluto: You said: That is why [byu] would "Never", in a desperate knee jerk reaction, offer a .500 Coach, 2 million dollars per year. Neither would Utah. Wittingham has a 65-25 record here including an undefeated season and has never finished worse than 7-5. And if you had half a brain youd realize that his raise was based on more than this season alone.
    You said: BYU does not need the hard earned Taxpayers dollars to build their facilities either. No, but they do need hard earned tithing. Id rather my tithing didnt pay for byu football, but I can deal with it, so deal with your taxes paying for our football program.

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:22 a.m.

    Kyle's team is 7-5 and he receives a raise to $2 million a year along with an extension because he did a "very good" job? That is over 40 times more than what the average teacher in Utah makes, some of whom are outstanding at their work.

    If the U wants to use private donations to award Kyle for his mediocre performance coaching 12 or 13 games a year, so be it. Let the private donors throw their money away, but stop wasting tax-payer money just because "everyone else" is doing it.

    Meanwhile, Governor Herbert is pleading with the Utah Legislature to give our teachers a well deserved raise and a few more dollars to buy much needed computers for our overcrowded schools.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    @ Bluto:
    You said: A Coach who couldn't get his team focused enough to beat one of the 5 worst teams in America (D-1) on his Home field in the biggest (one time shot) game in the History of Utah Football, deserves a raise? First, Every team has a bad game once in a while. Second, that was in no way our biggest game in school history. Third, Witt has gotten his team up to win many big games including the Sugar Bowl. Fourth, how well did bronco do at getting his team up for a game against a team that would go on to lose to Colorado? Bye the way, bronco will never have to worry about getting his team up to win a game like the Sugar Bowl, because he will never make it to a game like that.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 13, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    Utah ran BYU out of there own stadium? No, BYU ran BYU out of there own stadium. Most of BYU's turnovers were self-inflicted and you know it. It would be a completely different game with Riley Nelson behind center now. I hope you guys have a quarterback coming next year because it looks like Wynn may not be around, and with Nelson coming back next year with the toughness he brings to BYU you should be concerned.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    Bluto, "the U is always in the Red." lol! I get it. Yes, they always will be.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    Dec. 13, 2011 8:11 a.m.

    I guess you get what you pay for.
    How much does Bronco Mendenhall get for a season?

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    BYU boy does well....Congrats coach Whit.

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 13, 2011 6:26 a.m.

    @JP Skillet

    "CougFaninTX - that's like saying that Bronco's salary is paid by tithing...which isn't true. But if it were, I'd rather my taxes go to Kyle than tithing to byu football. now that's a joke."

    Amen

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 6:19 a.m.

    @Who am I sir

    BYU has top 5 Accounting and MBA programs.
    Yes, they understand the Free Market.

    That is why they would "Never", in a desperate knee jerk reaction, offer a .500 Coach, 2 million dollars per year.

    BYU pays for their facilities before they are even started. They also have perpetual Maintenance Endowments in place before construction begins.
    They are Fiscally Responsible. Utah is not.

    BYU does not need the hard earned Taxpayers dollars to build their facilities either.

    So enjoy your new 80k sq. ft. football facility, while BYU enjoys their 125k sq. ft. facility.

    And enjoy the U's 80k sq. ft. Indoor practice facility, while BYU enjoys their 120k sq. ft. indoor facility.

    A Coach who couldn't get his team focused enough to beat one of the 5 worst teams in America (D-1) on his Home field in the biggest (one time shot) game in the History of Utah Football, deserves a raise?

    BYU also would never be caught paying 3 Head Basketball Coaches simultaneously, even after 2 of them had been let go.

    There is a reason why the Y runs things in the Black, and the U is always in the Red.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 6:02 a.m.

    What a twisted sense of priorities.
    Roughly 200k per game.

    This will prove to be a waste of even more Taxpayers money, just as it was when Utah was paying 3 Basketball Head Coaches at the same time. Now it's down to just 2.

    Simply amazing that the 2nd smallest stadium, next to last in attendance and only the 10th ranked Academic institutuion in the Pac 12 can waste taxpayers money like this.

    The Taxpayers bought the U of U Olympic stadium, they (UofU) pay their Engineering Professors 140k per year (for 4 hrs a week in the classroom), and we all wonder why Tution keeps going up and up?

    As Utah settles into a perpetual sub .500 team (see Tom Lovat) this to will prove to be yet another blunder by Chris Hill.

    These wannabee's at Utah has brought us all to this, what a joke.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 2:01 a.m.

    re: motorbike

    Nothing I wrote was wrong. kyle was not the head coach for the 2004 season. urban was the head coach. That is all that I wrote and it's correct. I don't care that kyle had an honorary co-head coach title for the bowl game only. urban was the head coach and kyle was an assistant. period.

    I'm glad you're fine paying kyle $2.2 million/yr for being a middle-of-the-road pac12 coach. I don't care.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 12:07 a.m.

    Ridiculous. NCAA and the U need to put a salary cap on coaches salaries. Like $250k. Put the rest towards dropping student tuition.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    Ducky,

    Credit where credit is due. You're absolutely correct about student fees having to cover shortfalls in facility funding. However, that to will now be softened by the infusion of PAC 12 money.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    So, how much of that $2 million comes from taxpayers?

  • Aggielove Junction city, Oregon
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:19 p.m.

    He lives off of urbans recruits.
    How can they justify keeping him around, let alone a raise?

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:13 p.m.

    All you folks whining about how much he gets paid have to realize how much a great coach is worth to a university. A bad coach will cost his university much more that a good coach who is paid a bit more. They are giving him a raise because he is that valuable to the school. The football team brings in loads of revenue!

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:13 p.m.

    I agree that it's absurd to pay a coach $2 million. But at least Coach Whit puts in the long hours and deals with the stress. Hire/fire assistant coaches, recruiting, game prep, player injuries, player attitudes, off-field incidents, regroup after losses, keep players/team from getting a big head after wins, in-game decisions, halftime adjustments, etc.

    But what is truly disgusting is Albert Pujols getting $25 million A YEAR to hit a baseball. I would add fielding to his job description, but he plays first base, so not really. Perspective.......

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    I cannot imagine what hill will have to pay him when he recruits a quarterback.

    But I am happy to congradulate any successful cougar alumni. Congrats to Whit.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Actually your assertion that donations almost entirely pay for athletic facilities is not true. utah runs a deficit and student fees are given to athletics to make up the shortfall. That means the donation dollars are being taken from day to day operations and then applied to other things. Not that I care, I really don't, but truth is truth.

    Also I don't care what whittingham is paid but if the assertions that he played asu to get a raise out of utah are true then he is an absolute hypocrite. He claimed he does not care at all about the money when he took the job and also last time he got a raise. Now I personally doubt he used asu as leverage for a raise, although I also don't entirely believe him when he said he doesn't care about the money. He cares about it or else he would simply turn it down. But good for him. take it while you can get it. I would. I just wouldn't pretend I didn't care about it.

  • Bisse Hurricane, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:39 p.m.

    Happy to hear that Whit. is getting paid what he's worth! His program brings in A LOT of money into the program. Yes, it's a staggering amount of money he's getting paid, but....it's even more staggering how much Football brings in.
    GO UTES & keep up the GRRRRREAT job Kyle!!!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    realsoothsayer -

    "Any money earned out of the programs comes from the whole investment, and I doubt you factor in the cost of facilities, support staff, etc., etc. It sure is a game, and the students and taxpayers are the ones funding it all."
    ______________

    Actually, Utah athletic facilities are almost entirely paid for by donation dollars.
    Athletic programs (scholarships, coaches salaries, equipment, facility overhead) are paid for by ticket sales, crimson club fees, merchandise sales, endorsements and the biggy - conference affiliated revenue.
    Much of that last one will be TV dollars which is mostly due to football.
    Football got Utah into the Pac 12, Whittingham coaches the football team. Other teams want Whittingham, which means...pay raise.
    Yes the salaries are certainly getting crazy high, but one still has to look at what that position is worth in the entire financial scheme of things when the team is successful. Because of the huge TV contract, Pac 12 schools are now planning the return of several sport programs that never existed or were cancelled years ago, all due to the number one revenue generator in college sports...football.
    This all equals... get, and try to keep, the right coach.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    Dec. 12, 2011 7:16 p.m.

    Yes Whitt is in demand and Utah paid to keep him. He is a good coach.
    Unfortunately BYU not in demand. No conference will take us and that is costing us more potential revenue because of our stubborn ESPN contract.

  • realsoothsayer SANDY, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    Evidence of pure insanity. And then they have the nerve to call it "higher education." In organizations that are basically devoid of competition, politics rules. THAT'S probably the game that old Whit plays the best. Like, "I'm a dead-serious coach who's determined to get the best out of my kids every time, and I'm big-time analytical and civic-minded." Any money earned out of the programs comes from the whole investment, and I doubt you factor in the cost of facilities, support staff, etc., etc. It sure is a game, and the students and taxpayers are the ones funding it all.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:45 p.m.

    Coach Whit has been very loyal to the Utes and was probably underpaid in the past. Great to see him get a raise and an extension.
    For all those comments that he is overpaid, you should look at the market for his job position - he is basically in the middle of the coaches in the conference which is what sets market value. Are coaches over paid? Sure but so are movie stars, pro athletes, and many other positions in life.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:29 p.m.

    You are all geniuses talking about this raise being based on this season.... Coaching is a contract based salaried position. I would have to guess that this raise was more factually based on the first ten percent of his coaching career with victories over Alabama, an undefeated season and to catch up with the joneses conference wide rather than this season.. So please... All you in your little ute or cougar fantasy land wake up to the cold hard truth that this season only factored in slightly or Chris Hill is truly more a madman than a 'genius'. I will say this that I am not at all impressed with the lunacy of the 21st century.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:22 p.m.

    Arguably we got into the PAC-12 in large part due to his coaching so considering the income going into the program it's only fair.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:19 p.m.

    We will never know what Bronco makes and we don't ever need to. Salaries of coaches is something kept well under the vest down in Provo. Secondly, 7 of ten is no where near as great as 6 in a row and 10 of 11...... We are slowly inching our way to 13 in a row.... It will be more impressive than the 12 straight the Utes took by one game and the fact that it spans more time in years. All the whoopty doo 12 means is that BYU didn't beat Utah for 6 straight years at two games a piece.... Yet, ya have to factor in conference tournament appearances which had existed through the years.... You can own us on the football field and we will continue to 128-125 and growing own your tukuses on the hardwood. Basketball means every bit as much to the players as football does to its. Face reality and you will be free... Hide behind the fiction of your red colored glasses and your happiness will only be a facade of inner turmoil.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    Good for coach Whitt! Good man, solid coach. Well deserved.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 5:54 p.m.

    It was just a week ago when Ute fans were upset with the Cougar fans piling it on about basketball. True colors have come out.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 12, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    There isn't a person on this message board that wouldn't want more money for the work they do today. Who cares if Whitt played Utah against ASU, or Tennessee? They called, he listened. He told Hill what they offered, and it was Hill who ultimately made the decision to give him more money. He's now in line with his Pac12 counterparts. No big deal. Good for Whitt, and good luck for the Utes...except when they play BYU.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 4:52 p.m.

    CougFaninTX: "There's something wrong with our system when a college football coach makes $2M, the President of the US makes $400,000 and a high school math teacher makes $40,000 per year. All three are government employees, paid for by our hard earned tax dollars."
    _______________

    While I do understand the point you're trying to make and share your concern, Coach Whittingham will technically be paid by the state but in actuality will be paid by ESPN, FOX Sports, Under Armour, Pac 12 bowl games ... etc, etc.
    If my mother, who was a teacher, could have brought that kind of revenue to the State, I'm sure the state would've been happy to have paid her much more handsomely.

  • JP Skillet Murray, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    CougFaninTX - that's like saying that Bronco's salary is paid by tithing...which isn't true. But if it were, I'd rather my taxes go to Kyle than tithing to byu football. now that's a joke.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 4:39 p.m.

    AltaHawkFan
    re: motorbike

    Yeah right. Then, why feel the need to correct my response ? You should have just let it go. Paranoid ... about what ? Just love the way ute fans try to paint the picture a rosy color sometimes.
    ______________

    I corrected your response because it was you, not me, who tried to paint a different picture. Sticking with that theme of yours, it was not me trying to make a picture more rosy, it was you who tried to deface that picture. Destroying that picture doesn't mean the event(s) never happened.
    I hope you can start coping better soon, I know it's rough ... I was sitting in Rice Stadium in the late 70's and forward ... some rough times back then ... I'm still working through it.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2011 4:24 p.m.

    just saying Hawk what I heard on TV. The Phoenix channels are saying Kyle was just leading ASU on, and was never seriously considering them. ASU is frantic after the AD blew the June Jones negotiations. She pulled their offer last minute, when certain people (big-time donors) didn't want Jones.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    CougFaninTX: "There's something wrong with our system when a college football coach makes $2M, the President of the US makes $400,000 and a high school math teacher makes $40,000 per year. All three are government employees, paid for by our hard earned tax dollars."

    I don't disagree with anything you said, but you and I have nobody to blame but ourselves. I know I take much more interest in who the Utes' football coach is then I do who our local high school math teachers are (I couldn't even tell you their names).

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:28 p.m.

    Congrats to Whitt.

    Trolls are in a twist over Whitt's compensation.

    Added bonus.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:26 p.m.

    re: motorbike

    Yeah right. Then, why feel the need to correct my response ? You should have just let it go. Paranoid ... about what ? Just love the way ute fans try to paint the picture a rosy color sometimes.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    First, congratulations to Coach. Well deserved.

    Second, Urban left Utah 7 years ago for $2 million a year. It is good to see Utah finally up to that level. Of course, Urban just signed with Ohio State for closer to $6 million.

    In the last year in the Mountain West, Utah still took in $21 million for football according to equity in athletics. This year, who knows. The media contract (just for the extra games added to the schedule to accommodate Utah and Colorado) is better than that for the MWC. And Utah's share of the Rose, Fiesta, Alamo, Holiday, Sun, Las Vegas, and Kraft Fight Hunger is going to be a lot better than the share from the bowls last year.

    And the future simply looks greener. Coach has been the factor behind this opportunity and I am sure the university wants to ensure he doesn't leave.

    Yes, losing to Colorado is a fact. But, it hardly defines the program Whitt has built (both with McBride and Meyer or as head coach) on the hill.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:20 p.m.

    so, did a lot of you not read the article? coach whittingham is getting a raise because he's high in demand and chris hill wants to keep him around.

    yeah, utah went 7-5 and lost an embarrassment of a game to colorado, but that doesn't stop a lot of high profile universities from coming after whit.

    gene chizik had something like a 5-19 overall record as the coach at iowa state and auburn hired him. people were furious. guess what? he won a national championship. oops... there goes the nc words.

    and please stop turning this into a byu/utah thing. whittingham got his raise because he's a utah man, born and raised and established here. he's the right guy for the job.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:08 p.m.

    AltaHawkFan -
    "I read what you wrote and understood it. I also think you were trying to deceive in a sense"
    ______________

    You've very wrong and perhaps a little paranoid my friend. I had no intention of deceit in the slightest, resorting to such silliness is not something I feel a need for.
    "Coached in two BCS Bowls" means exactly that, and I believe most readers here would take that to mean exactly what I meant - coached in, not head coached in.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:03 p.m.

    There's something wrong with our system when a college football coach makes $2M, the President of the US makes $400,000 and a high school math teacher makes $40,000 per year. All three are government employees, paid for by our hard earned tax dollars.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    re: factcheck

    You look up the definition of sarcasm. GoUtes comment may have been something, but it wasn't sarcasm.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:49 p.m.

    Good job keeping Whittingham, he is a fairly good coach(7-5). But I agree, sports are just messed up. Explain how he deserves a big raise for one non-conference win in september but no blame for 3 conference blowouts and a complete conference debacle in November? Seems strange. While UCLA fires their coach who took them to the championship game! Why didn't Rick N. get a hefty raise?Just doesn't make sense, since getting to the Rose bowl is the end all and be all of college football at least that's what we've heard all season.

  • che loco Springville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:45 p.m.

    "The Quest for Mediocrity"

    ... and a hefty raise...

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:32 p.m.

    re: Spanish

    That doesn't make sense at all. If kyle was at utah 'for life', then hill didn't need to increase his salary. He wasn't going anywhere.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    AltaHawk fan. Sarcasm look it up and then go read Goutes post.

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:29 p.m.

    re: ClarkHippo

    I believe that those websites are speculating that the series will continue but from what I've read, no contract has been signed for games beyond next year.

    re: motorbike

    I read what you wrote and understood it. I also think you were trying to deceive in a sense. Hence, my clarification. urban was the head coach for the 2004 season despite what honorary title they gave kyle for the bowl game.

    re: JDL

    Haven't you heard ? The BYU/utah rivalry is dead. Only the Colorado/utah rivalry matters now.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:22 p.m.

    A Phoenix TV sportscaster said that Whitt is at Utah for life, and that he was just playing ASU to up his salary...

    So C.Hill was right to make the offer to keep Whitt from leaving.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:20 p.m.

    Sorry Pete in Texas, I called you "Pet" above - hahaha. Not deliberate I assure you.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Who Am I Sir -

    "Given the opportunity would you "invest" two dollars for a return of twenty-five to thirty? If you "only" got ten to fifteen the first time and fifteen to twenty-five the second and then twenty-five to thirty every time thereafter would that change you mind?"
    ____________________

    Perfectly said.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:16 p.m.

    AltaHawkFan
    re: motorbike
    "Let's not forget that kyle was not the HC during the 2004 season in which you went to your first BCS game."
    ________________

    Read more carefully...I said "coached in" two BCS victories.
    By the way, since you're looking for technicalities, Whittingham actually was a Head Coach in the Fiesta Bowl. He was officially Co-Head coach with Urban Meyer.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:12 p.m.

    How is it that this comment board has turned into a red and blue rivalry?

    Good for coach Whittingham. Good for Utah.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:09 p.m.

    Pet In Texas -

    "Nobody was going to come beating down his door to get him to coach their team. Not sure why he needed a raise with that kind of record."
    ______________

    I understand what you're saying but it's the above statement where you're going wrong - teams ARE "beating down his door to get him to coach their team" and that's exactly why he got the raise.
    With that being the case, what would you have done differently if you were Dr. Hill? Hasn't Whittingham been a humongous part of a serious infusion of money that will now be coming into the Utah athletic program? And don't you believe he is probably the best coach for the Utah program?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:58 p.m.

    @AltaHawkFan 1:30

    I have read at least two college football websites which say the BYU/Utah game is still a go up to at least 2015. If I'm wrong, please tell me your source.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    Question:

    Given the opportunity would you "invest" two dollars for a return of twenty-five to thirty? If you "only" got ten to fifteen the first time and fifteen to twenty-five the second and then twenty-five to thirty every time thereafter would that change you mind?

    Well, that is what the University of Utah just did only they did it a million times.

    Does that help your understanding?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:50 p.m.

    patriot -

    So Whittingham has his hand in 2 BCS wins (a lot of money), helps get them invited to the Pac 12 (a lot of money), leads them to a winning record and a $2Mil bowl game with a DIII QB in their inaugural Pac 12 season, and yet you act as though the U used their entire academic budget and are also having to steal from the poor to give him a raise?
    Please! Whittingham's accomplishments this year and in previous years have helped lighten the load financially for the entire athletic department. I know you're still bitter about the U being invited to the Pac 12 but it's time you start dealing with the reality of it instead of trying to spin things in directions that have no merit.
    Congrats Kyle.
    And memo to Dr. Hill; keep matching any serious offer that comes Kyle's way.
    Go Utes!

  • AltaHawkFan Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:30 p.m.

    re: ClarkHippo

    utah won't be able to hang their successes on beating BYU in the future. They refuse to schedule BYU after the 2012 season and instead prefer to hide behind their 'difficult' pac12 schedule.

    re: motorbike

    Let's not forget that kyle was not the HC during the 2004 season in which you went to your first BCS game.

    re: GoUtes

    You're right ... Colorado did win a National Championship, but um .. it was only 21 yrs ago. Sorry but they haven't had a winning record since 2005 (7-6). They really are a terrible team. Hadn't won a game on the road in 4 yrs until they beat your utes. Thanks for sending their senior players off with a road win for the first time in their careers. hahahaha

  • 4BS St George, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    With Whittingham's handling of the QB situation and the team's debacle against Colorado, he should have been fired.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    Motorbike, you seem a sensible fellow, so I'll keep it civil with you:

    Truth be told, I like Whittingham. He seems a good man and I gotta respect what he's done for the program. In truth, I like what Ron McBride started way-back-when and I'm satisified that Whittingham will keep the ball rolling. I'm 40, so I remember football back into the 70's. It's nice to seem Utah getting national respect because that legitimizes who BYU's been playing all these years. Utah has stepped their game up immensely from back then and I congratulate them for it. However, due to the fact that I can show some respect for the Utes as a gentleman, I gotta tell you that them giving him a raise after this year's record seriously shocked me. I mean, could you see that coming? A couple of posts said it correctly, the extra money could have gone to other areas of the school. Whit didn't need extra rewards after going 4-5 in his own conference. Nobody was going to come beating down his door to get him to coach their team. Not sure why he needed a raise with that kind of record.

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    @AZnewser

    The program is (or will be) bringing in about 15 times as much as Whitingham is getting paid. That's not a bad investment, is it? Whitingham makes that University money. Learn the facts. People who make a lot of money are generally well worth it.

    @Y Grad Pumping Gas

    "Now I know who Coach Bronco wears a grey T shirt!"

    And soon you will be able to learn how to write a sentence that makes total sense!

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    Ha Ha Ha Ha ...no comment!!!

    Go Trojans!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:07 p.m.

    @motorbike 12:32

    Thanks for the compliment. I admit I've thrown a little mud in my day as well, but from now on, when it comes to comments on message boards such as these, my philosophy is, I'll just pretend I'm sitting down to dinner with my older sister and her husband and we're talking sports.

    My older sister is currently a student at the U of U and she and her husband are die hard Ute fans. After the 54-10 game, she called me on the phone and asked if she could buy me an apple, cherry or blueberry turnover.

    What a sweetheart!

    I love BYU football but my sister and I are super close so we don't take the rivalry too seriously. After the BYU/Utah basketball game this past weekend, I thought about texting her some funny message, but I thought better of it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    seems like s weird time to give a coach a 500k raise - economy is on life support and 9% unemployment and university tuition continuing to rise so give the coach a big HUGE raise? 2.2 mil per year! Really? I am think what U students think when they see their tuition going up and up to support Coaches salary.

  • Sentinel Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:00 p.m.

    Yes, let's give raises to coaches who have a winning record, like Kyle had... a few years ago, but not this year. $300,000 raise for doing what?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    The "free market"! (Does the Y business school teach this - or the "united order"?) That is why coach Whit got the raise. Both the U and others understand how good of a coach Whit is. Therefore, schools such as Tennessee, Penn State, Arizona State, and others (?) want coach Whit! Utah felt it necessary to reward coach Whit for his achievements and to keep him here. Plain and simple - the free market.

    This is something the Y's program does not have to worry about.

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    @Oregonian

    I know, isn't football beautiful?

    Utah by 44

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    @Oregonian 12:28

    Don't forget however, this was Utah's first year in the PAC 12.

    If the Utes had finished with say a 4-8 or 3-9 record, I don't think Coach Whittingham would be getting a raise. But I also don't think he would have gotten fired either.

    Even though many die hard Ute fans were predicting an undefeated season, with a win in the BCS Championship game:

    "Mark It Down!"

    "Write It Down!"

    Dr. Hill and Coach Whitt were more realistic and knew this would be a season of adjustments.

    I may be a BYU fan, but my hope is the Ute athletic program doesn't invest everything in its football team and ignore men's basketball, thinking somehow it will fix itself.

    An honest perspective tells me Utah's football team is stronger and going in better direction than BYU's football team. (BYU's 2012 season is going to be tougher than 2011. Fewer cupcake games for sure)

    But as for men's basketball ... well ... congrats to Coach Whitt for getting a raise.

  • GoUTES Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    Hey Orgonian. The Utes went to a BCS game this year. I mean last year. Well, maybe 4 years ago, but who cares. So the Utes lost to the mighty Colorado Buffalos. WHO CARES? Didn't Colorado win a National Championship last year or the year before? Whit is the best coach in the country. Pay him like 20 million and it would still be a bargain.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    ClarkHippo -

    Nice post, props for rising above the garbage that gets thrown around ... and that's me admitting I get caught up in it at times as well, which I always regret. You're a classy BYU fan.

    Go Utes.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:30 p.m.

    @ Pete in Texas

    The reality is you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today. Chill out! You sound like a jealous little brother.

    "You want to talk reality, but you shrug off the number of conference championships that you've won compared to your "little brother".

    Reality is you need to get your facts straight. Utah has won more conference titles than BYU 24-23, Look it up! Football was played prior to 1972.

    "You want to talk reality beating your own chest saying you beat BYU this year, but you shrug off losing to the worst team in your own conference".

    Again, refer back to my last comment. You Y fans parade behind other teams that beat us when you failed to get the job done. Yes we lost to Colorado and I do recognize that.

    Yes BYU will make more money this year, but next year our 50 percent share will be about equal to your ESPN deal. 2014 and beyond Utah will be making up to 30 million a year including the Pac-12 networks, Conference title game, and bowl money.

    No need to call you until reality of your facts are correct.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:28 p.m.

    So here is how the PAC-12 South worked out:

    ASU goes 4-5 in conference, takes 3rd in the South (tie-breaker over Utah), and embarasses itself at the end of the year. Result: FIRE THE COACH!!!

    UCLA goes 5-4 in conference, takes 2nd to represent the South in the conference championship, and embarasses itself at the end of the year. Result: FIRE THE COACH!!

    Utah goes 4-5 in conference with the easiest of all PAC12 schedules, takes 4th in the South, and embarrasses itself with a home lose to Colorado to end the season. Result: WE BEAT BYU!!! Give Whitt a raise!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:27 p.m.

    Rise and Shout -
    "Blueprint for getting a raise at the U: Go 7-5 and make sure one of your wins is the BYU game."
    ________________________

    Actually, blueprint for getting a raise at the U: Coach in 2 BCS games in a 4 year span, have programs such as Tennessee and Penn State after you (among many others) AND ... beat your rival at their place 54-10.

    Does that clear it up for you?

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    As a die hard BYU fan, I congratulate Coach Whittingham on getting a raise.

    Perhaps the 2011 regular season didn't finish the way Ute fans would have liked, but a 7-5 season with a trip to the Sun Bowl to play Georgia Tech on CBS is pretty good for your debut in the PAC 12.

    But with a bigger salary comes greater pressure to perform.

    I believe Coach Whittingham is still in his honeymoon period as the Utes head coach moving to the PAC 12, but let's say by 2015 the Utes still haven't reached the Rose Bowl or even the PAC 12 Championship game. Let's say they lose one or two games against my BYU Cougars and maybe a few bowl games too.

    In a nutshell Ute fans, where do you expect to see the Ute football team in three, maybe four years?

    As for the Ute comments ending with the phrase, "Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!" I want to personally thank those who have posted this.

    We may be rivals, but we are still brothers. We come from the same state, and breath the same mountain air.

    Ute fans, I love you, brothers!

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:25 p.m.

    Rise and Shout - didn't Bronco get a new contract last year after a poor season and a loss to Utah?

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:23 p.m.

    First, BYU will pay decent wages to its coaches, but doubt they will ever be part if the wage escalation going on. Whit does 2 things very well - (1) he gets his teams very prepared against BYU as he understands every Ute fans dream and (2) he gets into a discussion every year with some school seeking a coach enough to go get another pay increase. We should expect a number of these in the coming years.

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    @ AZnewser
    Kindly remember that some of those wages are paid through endorsements, TV appearances,endorsementas and the fact that the Utes get a big cut of the 2 million + from the Sun Bowl.
    Not all are state funds are financing this raise, as better than 40 % are from outside sources such as the contract/ endorsement from Under Armor.
    Also the bonus was included in the contract to include bowl appearances.
    Again not all is generated from state funds.
    Now Bronco does not have to reveal his income, but I imagine Holmo will try and keep up with the Whitt on the hill,

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    Pete in Texas -
    You wrote; "Your beloved Utes lost to Colorado. Colorado? And he's getting a raise?"
    _________________________

    I won't question your own right to question whether Whitt deserved a raise, but keep this in mind; though Colorado had a terrible record this year, they had the 18th rated strength of schedule. Add to that a TON of injuries to their starters this year.
    That loss was a bad one for the Utes no question, but they never should have overlooked them in the first place...they weren't near as bad as their record. Same could be said for the rest of the bottom half of the Pac 12 and other strong conferences ... tough schedules usually = misleading records.
    A 3-10 PAC 12 team is probably about equal to a 7-6 WAC team.

  • Rise and Shout Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:05 p.m.

    Blueprint for getting a raise at the U: Go 7-5 and make sure one of your wins is the BYU game.

    The 12 pac south is down, way down this year. Dr. Hill will likely regret this decision when USC is no longer banned from postseason play and ASU, Arizona and UCLA improve just enough to work the utes every year.

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Bleed Crimson,

    You want to talk reality, but you shrug off the number of conference championships that you've won compared to your "little brother". You want to talk reality beating your own chest saying you beat BYU this year, but you shrug off losing to the worst team in your own conference. You want to talk reality by saying Utah is in the Pac 12, but you aren't full partners this year so you shrug off that BYU made more money than your college this year while being independent and having "nothing to play for". You want to talk reality and justify Coach Whit's raise by producing a record worse this year than last.

    Call me when your idea of reality actually resembles what reality is.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    @ Pete in Texas

    "Sheesh.... and ya'll refer to BYU as the little brother? I hate to say it, but this goes back to the Lavell era when all Utah fans cared about was beating BYU."

    Lavell who?

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:35 a.m.

    @ Pete in Texas

    "Bleed Crimson, your narrow minded comments don't even address the facts with your football program. Your beloved Utes lost to Colorado. Colorado? And he's getting a raise?"

    Actually I am addressing the facts. My beloved Utes thumped your Cougies pretty bad, in fact it was 54-10 bad? Yes we lost to the Buffs, but I find it interesting that Y fans have to parade behind Colorado's team because BYU couldn't get the job done.

    "What in the world are ya'll putting in your Gatorade water buckets?

    To answer your question: On the Utah sidelines we drink normal Gatorade, what do they put in the Cougar's drink buckets on the sidelines pickle juice or something? lol!

    "I wish my reality was as oblivious to facts as the Utes are"

    Pete in Texas the reality is the Utes are in the Pac-12, Coach Whitt gets raise, Utah runs BYU out of their own stadium. Delusion is BYU going Independent thinking it's the best move a team can make, when reality is they have nothing to play for.

    I drink Gatorade and that's Reality!

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    To Mr. Obvious,

    Again, I state the question, Whit's getting a raise based SOLELY on beating BYU this year 54-10? The rest of the season isn't even factored in especially losing to the last placed team in your own conference?

    Sheesh.... and ya'll refer to BYU as the little brother? I hate to say it, but this goes back to the Lavell era when all Utah fans cared about was beating BYU. It didn't matter if every other game was a loss, they simply wanted to beat the rival. So BYU went on to win how many conference championships and be rated in the Top 25 how many years, and all Utah fans would say was, "Well, we beat BYU!"

    Talk about an inferiority complex. I hate to say it, but spiked Gatorade and Crimson-colored glasses may not be all ya'll need to stay happy. It sounds like you need some counseling from someone with the letters "PhD" listed after their name......

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:27 a.m.

    I heard thru the grapevine that Whitt is getting the money from a deduction from coach K's salary. Pretty soon the one sport u will funnel all the money from all the coaches salaries into one pot for coach W. A food drive will then be the price of admission for all other sports to feed the coaches and their families since being in the conference of chumpions is pay enough for them.

  • utahutefan3213 Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    Money well spent!

  • Barney Google Beaver, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    @61Cougar

    I actually agree with you

    Great comment.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:18 a.m.

    Congrats, Coach Whitt, on a mediocre season and a $300k pay raise! Glad to see a U employee make good on mediocrity.

    College Football is a joke anymore and needs to be restrained.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    AZnewser is right. We are in the worst economy since the Great Depression and we are giving football coaches a raise to $2,000,000??? Heck, if most people made $2M in ONE year they would be set for life. And he gets it for multiple years. This just shows how screwed up sports really is.

  • 61Cougar Seattle, Wa
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:10 a.m.

    This is a well-deserved increase for Coach W. It also marks an escalation of the divide between BYU and Utah that began when Utah accepted the invite to join the Pac-12.

    BYU's subsequent move to independence and TV deal with ESPN actually gave BYU a $$ edge over Utah for this season (BYU doesn't have to split its TV/Bowl revenue with anyone else)--but only because Utah does not get a fully vested share of TV monies this season. Going forward, it will be a different story.

    The Pac-12's new TV package--shared among member schools--promises the sort of revenue that is allowing these universities to bring in new coaches and staffs at salaries that rival the SEC. Utah is now able to up its budget for facilities and staff to help attract and keep the best it can (keeping Witt is a good call, Dr. Hill).

    I do not believe that BYU will ever try to compete with the $$ being thrown around by the major conferences now and will continue to rely on loyalty, atmosphere, church affiliation, and exposure as an independent to attract coaches and recruits.

    Which is where they should be.

  • Y Grad Pumping Gas Beaver, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:08 a.m.

    Now I know who Coach Bronco wears a grey T shirt!

    He can't afford a decent one.

    I say give Bronco a raise, he has to put up with the Holmoe's "Indy Folly"

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2011 11:04 a.m.

    Smart Ute fans.
    And just in case anyone grumbles that Whit is over paid, try looking around the country right now to find a proven quality coach. And one who has:
    Proven he can win for several years, which means he's coaching his own recruits.
    Remember, Urban's been gone for several years.
    Continues to run a clean and reputable program with little or no drama.
    Has a fan base that loves him AND an administration that does too, and wisely so.
    Count your blessings people.

  • Mr. Obvious Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:54 a.m.

    @Pete in Texas

    "Your beloved Utes lost to Colorado. Colorado? And he's getting a raise?"

    We did lose to Colorado, but I believe the $200K raise was a result of the 54 - 10 beat down down in LES!

    Let see, thats about $4K per point!

    Try and reconstruct that score!

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • AZnewser Snowflake, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:47 a.m.

    This is further evidence that college athletics is out of control. $2 million to pay a coach at a public school? Ridiculous. Put that money into the library! The majority of athletic programs lost money last year, and they continue to inflate salaries. Stop the madness!

  • Ute's R Gr8 Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Whitt rules!

    What program is that in the rearview mirror?

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • Pete in Texas Copperas Cove, TX
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:39 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson, your narrow minded comments don't even address the facts with your football program. Your beloved Utes lost to Colorado. Colorado? And he's getting a raise? What in the world are ya'll putting in your Gatorade water buckets? Because I'd like to make sure my boss is drinking the same mind-numbing fluid. (Wouldn't that be nice..... "Pete, you took a step backward in your job and our company got beat by the worst team in the construction world, so how about we talk about getting you a raise.....?) I wish my reality was as oblivious to facts as the Utes are.....

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:31 a.m.

    This will stifle all those Y trolls who were desperately hoping Whitt took the Arizona State job. So BYU can start beating the Utes again! Sorry Cougies, it must be very frustrating losing 2 years in a row, 7 of 10, and losing the series 55-34-4.

  • UtahBy44 Beaver, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:28 a.m.

    Worth every penny!

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:22 a.m.

    Whitt is one of the best in the business. Well earned. Good job Dr. Hill.

  • Cougar Alumni Beaver, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    What does Bronco make?