"well-traveled game"??Don't kid yourself.The
Utes will be lucky if they get 2,000 fans to the game, including the band and
PAC Man, I'm happy for you that you feel so pleased in your own arrogance.
However, I tend to disagree with you. I have several friends going to the game,
and there are around 20 players on the team from Texas. I can't speak for the
Southern California Ute fanbase, but I expect it to be a well-traveled game.
Also, I have a friend who played 3 or 4 different bowls while in college, and he
said the Sun Bowl was the most fun of them all, and he's excited to be traveling
there again this year.
StGtoSLC"There is actually no specific designation for any
placing PAC 12 team other than the Rose Bowl. The bowl committees make their
invitations to their affiliated conferences based on who they think the best
remaining affiliated team is."Unfortunately, you have no
concept of what bowl committees consider the "best" team. Here's a
clue, it has NOTHING to do with which football team is the best, but it has
EVERYTHING to do with which team will bring the most fans and which team will
have the most fans tuning in to watch the game.As usual, Utah fans
are so obsessed with money, that it's blinding them to more important factors
for a bowl, like being in an interesting place for fans to visit.Frankly, I'll take Las Vegas, San Diego, Dallas, or San Francisco ANY DAY over
El Paso - and so, obviously, would U.Not one of my many Ute friends
is even considering going to the Sun Bowl and it's highly unlikely that any of
the Utah fans beating their chests on this blog will be going to the bowl
News For UBe honest, which bowl would Utah fans be more likely to
actually attend?Sun BowlorKraft Fight Hunger
Bowl$$$ isn't the end-all-be-all of what makes a bowl game
attractive for fans to attend.You can spin all you want about how
much more "prestigious" the Sun Bowl is, but if it is really so
"prestigious," how come NOBODY is going?Dallas, San Diego,
or San Francisco versus El Paso? - get real!By the time Utah
finishes paying for all of their unsold ticket allotment, the Utes will be lucky
to break even on this year's Sun Bowl.
@ Just the FAX (Your using "Fax" in the wrong context)1.
FAX means to transmit a facsimile (texts or pictures) electronically.2. FACTS means something that actually exists; reality; truth.You
might want to change your username. Now onto the topic:According to BYU's "best friend" ESPN. BYU has contracts with the
Kraft's Macaroni and Cheese Bowl in 2013. YAY! a step up financially from the
Just the OPINIONS,There is actually no specific designation for any
placing PAC 12 team other than the Rose Bowl. The bowl committees make their
invitations to their affiliated conferences based on who they think the best
remaining affiliated team is. Alamo Bowl has a $3.175M payout,
Holiday Bowl has $2.15M, Sun Bowl has $2M, MAACO Bowl has $1.1M and Kraft Fight
Hunger Bowl has $837.5K. Meanwhile, the Armed Forces Bowl pays out $600K. Maybe if YOU'RE really good, the Cougars will get to follow in UCLA's
@sportsfan na whats really pathetic is a horrible team from provo beating their
chest about "getting better against wac teams (best league in bcs just ask
byu fans, oops not in the bcs just like byu but let y fans tell you and the wac
teams they played were all equal to utahs schedule)and lost to EVERY decent team
they played and still talkin trash to a team that beat u on your OWN field by 44
pts and u still claim all the to's were self inflicted (but anyone who actually
watched the game know otherwise.)now thats pathetic.
News For UBYU has contracts with (Helicopter and Macaroni &
Cheese Bowls)Did I miss something, because I could swear that the
"Macaroni & Cheese" bowl is the bowl designated for the PAC 12
South division winner?Yep, here it is:KRAFT FIGHT HUNGER
BOWLIllinois vs UCLAMaybe if you're really good, someday, even
the Utes might get to follow in UCLA's footsteps.
* "wasn't" dominated at home by a 10-loss team
SoonerUte"Not mentioned (but everybody knows) is how weak those
opponents were in those wins."For wins against weak opponents,
see mirror. Unfortunately for U, you weren't even capable of beating all of your
weak opponents.Pitt (6-6)OSU (3-9)Ariz (4-8)UCLA
(6-7)WSU (4-8)Col (3-10) OOPS! you lost that oneTotal
(26-48)At least BYU was dominated at home by a 10-loss team for the
entire first half.
News For U Top 25 rankings are always relevant, except to Utah fans,
who are used to the Utes almost never finishing in the Top 25.What I
find pathetic is a fanbase beating their chests about smelling Roses this year,
and then making excuses for not even being able to win the pathetically weak PAC
Meaningless bowls, except it gives teams more practice time for their
underclassmen to prepare for the following season.The BCS only gives
us a 1-game 2-team playoff from the minds of poll voters.The FBS
needs to take a lesson from the FCS on how its done, but how do you tell the
bowls to take their millions and go home...
@ Truth Machine "BYU 8-1, ranked just outside the Top 25, only
losss to 16th ranked TCU on the road".You do realize that
rankings have no bearing on your football program as an Independent unless your
in the top 2 for a guarantee berth in the BCS. If your not in the top 2 your
playing for the same bowl game byu has contracts with (Helicopter and Macaroni
and Cheese Bowls). "Utah 5-4, nowhere near the Top 25, with a
home loss to one of the worst teams in the country".I find it
pathetic that Y trolls parade behind other schools that have success in beating
the Utes, when BYU has failed to get the job done against them.
Truth Machine spins into overdrive:"Since that
"season-crippling" loss: BYU 8-1"Not mentioned (but
everybody knows) is how weak those opponents were in those wins.Before the season, The Utes were predicted to finish in the middle of the Pac
12, and might even have a shot at getting into the conference championship game.
Despite losing their quarterback, Utah adjusted and accomplished what was
predicted.Before the season, The Cougars were going to bust the BCS,
and Jake Heaps was going to win the Heisman. After the Utah game, the Cougars
were in a tailspin with demands that Doman get in the booth, their post-season
goals crippled to the Armed Forces Bowl, and Heaps no longer called the Jimmer
of Football.The loss to TCU is most telling. Against a quality
opponent, all the Cougar magic pieces were in place... Doman in the booth, Heaps
holding a clipboard... and a quality win eluded them.The TCU loss
makes it easy to predict a fantasy rematch. The score would be closer, but the
Utes Defense would still dominate. The Cougars might not quit until the 4th
quarter, but the Utes would still win.
Already circled the Bowl games that I want to see, came up to 19. As Bart Scott
said, "Can't WAIT!"
UteologyIt's amazing how someone who spends so much time studying
numbers could constantly ignore the most glaring blemish on Utah's schedule:Utah's home LOSS to 96th-ranked Colorado.How does BYU
playing Utah's schedule go from 9-3 to 10-2?Even you should be able
to figure that one out.Because Texas and TCU, two of the three teams
BYU lost to, on the road, are both ranked higher than any team on Utah's
schedule except USC.Trade road games at #16 Texas and #18 TCU for
road games against #11 USC and #30 California and you can easily see how BYU
could have traded an 0-2 record for a 1-1 record against their two
SoonerUte"They've spun the season-crippling loss to their
arch-rival as if it never happened."Since that
"season-crippling" loss:BYU 8-1, ranked just outside the
Top 25, only losss to 16th ranked TCU on the roadUtah 5-4, nowhere
near the Top 25, with a home loss to one of the worst teams in the countryNow tell me, which team pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and
went on to have a very good season, and which team imploded time after time
after time?Who's really spinning here?
Last Stand:The MWC champion was never contractually tied to the Las
Vegas Bowl like the Pac-12 champion is automatically awarded the Rose Bowl
[short of an NC appearance]. The agreement between the MWC and the LVB was that
the LVB gets 1st choice of bowl participants. First choice TYPICALLY suggests
the conference champion, but it is not automatic. In this case, the Las Vegas
Bowl selection committee preferred the higher ranked team...which in this case
was Boise State. However, that has not always been the case. The LVB has in
the past demonstrated a lack of objectivity in their bowl selections. Think
back to 2008 for example. When the MWC champion [Utah] went to the Sugar Bowl,
the LVB committee passed over the MWC runner up [TCU] for the conference's #3
team, and DESPITE the fact that the Frogs blew out that team head-to-head
earlier in the season.So no, the LVB is not obligated to take the
conference champion. Never was.
@ Last Stand"Am I missing something? I thought the Las Vegas
Bowl took the MWC champ unless that team was going to a BCS bowl? How, then, is
TCU relegated to the Poinsettia Bowl?"That's what I thought
too! Boise State is having a temper tantrum because they were't selected to go
to a BCS bowl game with one loss and a second place conference finish. Boise
State has been spoiled brats the past several years by ESPN and other media
sources. TCU is more deserving of a Vegas Bowl berth than Boise State since they
did beat them head to head in Boise. TCU fans should be ecstatic
they're leaving the Mountain West for the Big-12 next year. You will be treated
better by the Big-12 than the Mountain West.
Am I missing something? I thought the Las Vegas Bowl took the MWC champ unless
that team was going to a BCS bowl? How, then, is TCU relegated to the Poinsettia
A national college football playoff would never be accepted in Utah county.
Fans there don't accept on-the-field results. They've spun the season-crippling
loss to their arch-rival as if it never happened. The same would happen in a
playoff. "Here is an obscure statistic which proves our team is better.
Toss out the score at the end of the game, and obviously our team should advance
to the next round."If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny.
Riddles in the Dark | 4:45 p.m. Dec. 11, 2011"If BYU had played
Utah's schedule, the Cougars might very well have been 10-2."Thump! that was me picking myself up off the ground from laughter!You need to change your user name from The "Riddler" to the
"Joker!" that was hilarious.Hang in there Band of Lil
Riddles in the Dark | 4:45 p.m. Dec. 11, 2011If BYU had played
Utah's schedule, the Cougars might very well have been 10-2.------------How so?BYU with a #96 SOS is 9-3, how to
they go 10-2 with a #37 SOS?
Duckhunter, we also won at Pitt, who is playing in a bowl. Our record against
bowl-eligible opponents is 3-3. Not saying we're hot stuff on the national
market, but are you guys really anything worth bragging about? It's so silly to
me when I see people bragging about being listed in the "also received
votes" section of the Top 25 polls, yet I've seen it extensively this year.
54-10 and the team in blue quit.LOL
An article giving us the schedule for the bowl games and the trolls come out to
argue about which team is best. Face it trolls, Utah,BYU nor USU had banner
years. Yes there was some drama on the field for USU and the U, and off the
field for BYU, but the seasons were less than outstanding. To the
folks who feel there are too many bowl games and a 6 and 6 team shouldn't play
in one, remember last year when a team from Utah went 6-6 and was invited to a
bowl in New Mexico. My neighbors in Utah County were thrilled they were going
bowling. Until there is a play off system (not going to happen
soon) sit back and enjoy the games. The bowls give 64 teams a chance to
practice more, get better recruits, and maybe even make some money. If you
don't like the game, don't watch them. Chill out, listen to Christmas music,
enjoy the end of the College football season. And most of all try to stay on
the topic of the article.
4 games were against the Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC..... The record was 2-2 in those
games...... 61-42 later and 54-10 was still a going away present from Jake
Heaps. Riley Nelson would not have seen a 54-10 beat down..... Riley Nelson
would not have seen 17-16 against Texas..... Bottom line I'm in fantasy land but
truth is BYU still didn't lose one game all year against a team with a losing
record.... Enough said!
@uncle ricoutah beat two bowl teams (BYU and ucla which actually has
a LOSING record) and they beat only one team (BYU) with a winning record.utah has record inflation. 2-3 vs bowl opponents (they beat BYU and the
pitiful ucla).Not all football teams are arizona and colorado, oops
utah lost to colorado, at home.LOL!
Re:Riddles in the DarkBYU beat one team in a bowl (USU). BYU has record inflation. 1-3 vs Bowl opponents (they beat USU).Not all football team are Idaho or Idaho State.
@portland beavers1st of all noblepromise is one of your fellow utah
trolls. He has about 50 other screen names including kosta fesenko, articuno
BYU, duckhunter hunter, officer coolguy, slcBYUfan, and a whole bunch more I
won't bother listing.He uses the supposed BYU fan screen names to
say idiotic things in hopes that utah trolls like yourself will then answer him.
Obviously he is accomplishing his goal with you. With his
noblepromise screen name he posts basicly the same thing every time in halting
and broken english. His topics with that screen name are always about BYU
playing a weak schedule, how much better off they would be in a bcs conference,
how the teams they play suck, how they will never be ranked because they play
these weak opponenents from these weak conferences, etc.
Riddles in the Dark,Where's your proof?The only proof I
see is a big "L" next to every team that has a winning record on the
As BYU alumni and Cougar club member, I recognize this season, Utah football is
better than BYU as it was clearly shown in BYU loss at home against Utah.
Likewise playing in a PAC12 caliber conference, instead of being an independent,
gets more recognition from sports media and college coaches who do the weekly
rankings.Y fans kid themselves if they think playing a schedule where the
majority of teams that are primarily from MWC/WAC is weighted the same as
playing the teams from the PAC12 conference. The weekly pollster rankings show
otherwise that difference regardless if BYU wins against the MWC/WAC opponent
and had a 9-3 season prior to a bowl game. Didn't BYU go independent of MWC
because it wanted to be eligible for a BCS bowl and BCS caliber conference which
in turn would mean more sports revenue and recognition for Y sports? Texas has
ESPN contract and is still in the Big12. I would think ESPN wants BYU in a BCS
caliber conference instead of being independent and playing a schedule like this
Portland Beavers"First off if byu would have played a PAC-12,
Big-12 scedule they would not have been 9-3."If BYU had played
Utah's schedule, the Cougars might very well have been 10-2. With the exception
of USC, there's not a team on Utah's schedule that the Cougars wouldn't have had
a very good chance of beating.
Here are some new rules I would like to see in regards to the college football
post-season. - Get rid of one-third of the bowl games. The only
people interested in bowl games between two teams with 6-6 records are the fans
and students from those schools. - No college team can be bowl
eligible unless they have a winning season. (i.e. UCLA) - Include a
four team playoff with the two semi-final games played the week after the
conference championship games. That way the semi-final losers can still play in
a bowl game.
NoblepromiseFirst off if byu would have played a PAC-12, Big-12
scedule they would not have been 9-3. The play in those two conferences is so
superior to what the y played. You guys had your chance to get into a better
conference didn't get an invite though. True you have a better schedule next
year but that is about as good as it gets. Nobody can play you after Sept.
As a fan I desire that BYU be able to play the best teams in the respective
sports and hopefully win and in turn earn the respect of opposing teams, sports
media and college pollsters. This 9-3 season in a PAC12, Big12, Big10, SEC, Big
East, or ACC conference would have had a top 25 ranking by the different
pollster rankings and playing in a better (payout and competition) postseason
bowl than this one. Playing an independent schedule that had a majority of the
schedule of teams from MWC/WAC conference didn't get BYU any respect this year
beyond playing on ESPN network. Hopefully BYU scheduler upgrades the future
schedules so a majority of the games in the year are from teams in those PAC12,
Big12, Big10, SEC, Big East, or ACC conferences. BYU should win against is CUSA
opponent, but being ranked in the final postseason rankings probably won't
happen regardless of game outcome.
"Is byu really playing at 10am on a friday?"rickski13 -
they really are.
Scrap these no-nothing bowls and the teams that play in them. Nothing more than
the greeds trying to jerk the last dollars out of fans pockets. What a sham.
It's December and basketball time, enough of football!
It's time to put a lot of these bowls to bed. Get rid of them. When teams with 6
& 6 records get invites to bowls we have to many bowls. Even the teams with
7 & 5 records shouldn't qualify. Oh, and then you let a bowl invite UCLA
with a losing record. It's time for a playoff system!!!
kokua:LSU hasn't lost a game. Bama has the same record as Okie State
and Stanford, not that either isn't more deserving per se but just stating a
fact. Further, Houston and Boise State also have one-loss or basically identical
11-1 records. One could further argue at Boise has much more of a consistent
winning record in this decade than all of those progams, even Bama.
UCLA really ? With a 6-7 losing record in a bowl game that is all jacked up.Stanford & Oklahoma State should be playing for the national crown,
they are the schools with the best records in the Nation.
Boise lost two games by a combined four points (one of those in OT) but have
been relegated to the Vegas Bowl twice while VA Tech goes to the Sugar Bowl, the
same VA Tech team that lost to Clemson twice this season, the same VA Tech team
that Boise beat two seasons ago. What is funny about all these BCS conferences
is that when they do play Boise they can't actually beat Boise including Oregon
twice, Oregon State, OU, VA Tech and Georgia this season.I agree
that's it is a time for a 16- team tournament which invites the champion from
all conferences that play the highest division of football. That would be 11
conference teams and five at-large programs. Heck, you could keep some of the
bowls, like the NIT in basketball, for other deserving programs that didn't
quite make the tournament but as also suggested above, end the conference
tie-ins and use common sense and logic to create interesting bowl match-ups.
Sorry that's Louisiana Tech...
Boy TCU...Boise State...and Southern Miss really got left out in the cold this
year. Someone should have seen the discrepancies and at least replaced (7-5)
Nevada with either (10-2)TCU or (11-1) Boise State up against (11-2) Southern
Miss. This is a real good example how conference alliances with Bowls really
interferes with logic and sensibility. Instead we wind up with 3 badly
misaligned bowls instead of probably only one...depending on how Louisiana comes
out in the wash. If they were to match L.Tech. with AZ State they would of at
least brought some of the logic back. Hope some day we end these conference
bowl alliances. They're the biggest problem in College football.
How did I miss 6-7 UCLA in a bowl. One more indictement of the ridiculous bowl
system. A bowl game should be earned. A reward for an excellent season.
Three bowl games matching 6 and six teams. What a joke. Counted 11 six win
teams in bowls. Unbelievable. ASU in a bowl with six wins. It's time to scrap
this antiquated bowl system and invite the top 16 teams to play for a national
championship. The Beef O' Brady bowl. Can't wait for that one. Not.Go Aggies. If anyone deserves a bowl invite USU does.
Is byu really playing at 10am on a friday?