Excellent article and spot on! There really is a higher standard of personal
behavior expected at BYU compared with almost any other university as evidenced
by the honor code. Bottom line: BYU is not for everyone! Regardless, there is
always a long line of qualified people who would love to go to BYU that never
get that opportunity!
so, college is a hard transition for incoming freshman, and some of them drop
out.Do not think this is unique to BYU.Some kids go to several
schools before they find the right fit.All of them are not criticized in
national media for it.give the kid a break.There is more to life
These are hard words about it not being about football. Wow BYU was hard in my
way I can't imagine it getting harder...
Via, I don't think they should even admit the 1 1/2%. tithing is the issue, we
pay it according to obedience. Why even let the 1 1/2 % in when their are
thousands of other well deserving LDS kids that miss out because of a non LDS
star athlete?My argument is right in line with your quote you use
from Pres. Hinkley. "the primary purpose of BYU is not football" Come on Via, your a Bishop, you even admit you wouldn't want your
As always, Vai's comments are straight forward. You gotta like this guy's
Well it is certainly hard to get into now days. My daughter was not admitted
despite having a 3.8 gpa, parents that attended, grandparents that attended, a
grandmother who is a 30 year employee, and quite a few very nice extracurricular
acheivements.The reason?She grew up in Utah County. Now fortunately she is at BYU-Idaho getting a similar experience but
still local kids are actually docked points against their applications for being
locals. It is now a disadvantage to live here in Utah, especially Utah County,
for admission to BYU. But for those that are deserving and are not
admitted they can attend BYU-Idaho or BYU-Hawaii and then transfer to BYU-Provo
after a couple of semesters as long as they keep their grades up. It is much
easier to transfer in after attending one of the other two BYU's.But
I am not happy that the Board of Trustee's has decided non local kids should be
given preference over locals. I know some of their justifications for doing it
but I do not agree with them at all on it.
Pretty good article. I'm a student at the U and it's tough as it is. I,
personally, chose Utah over BYU for a few personal reasons. I am happy I did, I
have found a balance of confidence and challenge while still being able to enjoy
my college experience. I chose not to attend an environment so socially
judgmental (I say this as it is, I'm not slamming BYU). I have been to both
campuses, I prefer the environment at the U. Yes, I have considered BYU and
probably would have been accepted, but I am a proud Ute and love my University.
For those that love the environment at BYU and thrive in it, more power to you,
go be the best student you can be. In the end, it probably doesn't matter to
much which university you get a degree from. However- as a Ute, I am not a fan
of the stereotype that "only good/faithful mormons go to BYU, because I'm
as good and as faithful as they come. Good article, good perspective.My name is Juice Box, and I'm a Mormon. I'm also a Ute.
But can Bronco move football up to 2 or 3 at the very least?
Thank goodness for the 1 1/2%. I attended BYU as a nonmember, was baptized,
went on a mission, returned and received a graduate degree, and have since been
married in the Temple. BYU and the Church changed my life. I am not alone.
BYU's library is awesome. I was not impressed, however, with the quality of the
education I received during the summer I spent there a number of years ago.
Perhaps the experience is different during the school year.
I've always heard it said that the BYU campus, part of the Provo Mission, is the
highest baptizing mission in the world....can anyone confirm that? If so, it
shows that the 1 and 1/2% get A LOT of attention...
My wife and I attended BYU. Then I spent 20 years in the U.S. Navy far from
Utah. After retiring from the Navy we moved back to Provo so our kids could
have the BYU experience but that was the time that standards were changing and
although our kids were great students and participated in extra-curricular
activities at Timpview High School they could not get into BYU. Thank goodness
for Utah Valley University. We're disappointed that our kids missed the
experience but they got a good education at UVU and we've all adjusted to the
inevitable. We understand the higher purpose of the Trustees.
I remember when Elder Oaks was made the President of BYU and once at a public
meeting he talked about the issue of admissions in the realm of "not
wanting BYU to be solely avilable to the 25,000 brightest kids in the
Church." One thing that is considered is whether or not a person has
available other opportunities such as a good local institute program. That's
one reason students from Utah (the State, not the university) have a tough time
because there are excellent programs at UVU, USU, U of U, SUU, Dixie, etc for
spiritual development. My daughter was one of the few that has attended all 3
BYU schools.Back before electricity when I went to BYU, a returned
missionary was always admitted and I had a few roommates taking remedial classes
as thery barely graduated from high scjhool but they were teriffic missionaries
who finally saw the light regarding personal effort in obtaining an education.
I transferred from Snow College after serving and I think a true freshman at BYU
could easily be intimidated. Student Singles Wards help a great deal with the
transition to college life, especially for freshmen just away from home.
I love BYU football. It is an education in itself.
Being a parent of four kids in the Allentown, Pa area, my wife and I have done
everything we can to get our kids excited about going to BYU. It's not hard to
understand why. First, the education is great. BYU offersthe best education for
the price of any university in the country. Second, our four kids will have an
opportunity to meet other LDS kids and hopefully, find someone of their faith to
marry (yes, that's important for my wife and I). Tithing subsidizes the cost of
attending BYU, and as a full tithe payer, I would be upset if one my kids (who
was qualified) did not get accepted because of a desire to increase
"diversity" by admitting more non-LDS students. The BYU experience is
not just about obtaining an education. It's also about associating with other
students who hopefully, share the same values that my wife and I have spent
teaching our kids. It's about their future, their educations, their families.
And hopefully all of this can be accomplished without causing me to become broke
paying for it all (including the weddings)!!
I am also thankful for the 1.5% that are non-LDS that attend here at BYU. I
have the privilege to learn along side many great students from around the
world. Mostly, in engineering, I have worked with non-LDS people from India,
Nepal, and one from Germany. The one from Germany has become one of my best
friends. At the same time I want to say I am thankful for the other
98.5% of the students. I love all of the friends that I have gained here over
the years. I am about to graduate and when I look back on the experience I am
so glad I have had the opportunity here.I hope this is how everyone
feels about where they go to school. Every place to get an education is a
blessing. The majority of my buddies before college go to the U of U, LDSBC, or
Utah State. Each of them are being able to have great experiences in gaining
their educations. I think it's wonderful that we live in a world that prizes
education.I guess the purpose of my post is just to express an
overall gratitude that their are great educational opportunities in so many
places. I suppose the world, in this way, is getting better.
Duckhunter, I know it doesn't seem fair to you that a student from elsewhere
might have precedence over a Utah county student. If a Utah County student and
a student from Vermont or Bulgaria, or South Africa were equally qualified, I
know which one I would like to see attend BYU. If a student has grown up as one
of just a couple of LDS kids in their high school, or has never been able to
attend General Conference, or did not have a seminary building within hundreds
of miles, doesn't it seem "fair" to give them the BYU experience? No
doubt there are difficult choices for the admissions committee.
Good article. I have three children whove enjoyed the BYU experience. One
graduated and one is a freshman in Provo; and the third child will graduate from
BYU-I in Dec. 2012. My only other comment to your article, Vai, is to include
BYU-I as well in the "BYU Experience" discussion. My wife and I are
very familiar with both schools & campuses. Candidly, we would put the
spiritual experience of Rexburg above Provo, hands down. And I have yet to talk
to other parents whove had children attend both campuses who didn't feel the
same way as my wife and me. In fact, can I be so bold as to even say there's no
comparison. My college experience was at San Diego State and University of
Southern California, so I never personally experience the "BYU
Experience", and I didnt have a desire to. Once our oldest started to
attend Provo, I was quickly won over. I, too, am so grateful our three oldest
children have wanted to and have been accepted to enjoy the BYU experience.
Vai - this was a very insightful article. I am an advocate for increasing
"diversity" at BYU, including making the extremely difficult decisions
to increase the non-LDS proportion as well as LDS students from overseas. I
also strongly recommend, as someone with first hand knowledge and experience,
other LDS options, including the great work going on at BYU Idaho, BYU Hawaii,
and Southern Virginia University. Graduates of each of these institutions are
consistently achieving outstanding results that parents, students, and yes, even
Bishops and Stake Presidents are hoping to realize. One stat to bear in mind:
when you have 80,000 (or so) kids graduating from high school in the US/Canada
each year and have 5,000 "seats" available in Provo, it creates the
pressures that Vai and others are describing in the admissions process. Throw
the "rest of the world" into that equation and a desire to benefit
those who are not LDS and you see the challenges being faced by students and
Duckhunter, I don't think it's the fact that you live in Utah County but more
that your daughter got a Utah education. My family moved from Illinois (where
teachers have the 6th highest salary) to Utah (where teachers salary is 46th)
while my younger brother was in high school, and he went from needing a full
load of scholastic (meaning not elective) classes to graduate from his HS in IL,
to only needing like a math and english and ceramics class and he could graduate
a trimester early. 3.8 here doesn't equal 3.8 elsewhere.
Please look at the facts, folks. BYU is a good school, but no more difficult to
get into than any other top 100 school. In fact, it's easier--BYU's acceptance
rate is many times higher than any "elite" school and much higher than
most decent public schools. So stop complaining when BYU accepts well over half
the applicants. If anything, BYU should raise its acceptance standards to
exclude all those who are so narrow-minded that they think they can't succeed in
any other environment. Some non-member kids don't have the chance to walk up to
the school administrators and spew their testimonies in order to get
accepted--and let's face it, we all know plenty of academically unqualified
students who get into the school by claiming their lives have been changed
through their mission experiences. In short, there are a lot of great options
out there--no need to brainwash your kids to think the only place they will find
balance is at BYU.
My daughter with a 3.85 GPA with an associates degree, tough major, on
scholarship from Snow College, and tons of extra curricular leadership
activities, got rejected by BYU No wonder I keep seeing more and more Utah
Flags and Less and Less BYU fans.Why can't BYU Provo adapt a model
like BYU Idaho to educate more students? Why have they rejected this concept of
using a three semester system Like BYUI?I love BYU and am a graduate
of BYU but they have become very elitist and hold their noses up in the air at
those who don't get the BYU education.
@duckhunter, so cal readerWow, it's amazing to me to read your
pro-BYU comments on Vai Sikahema's article, touting how great it is that you
guys had your daughters attend there (or want to attend there), etc. to enjoy
the BYU experience with its intrinsic higher standards and values. Yet you come
onto a Utah football article (like this edition of the Utes preparing for the
Sun Bowl) and belittle the Utes and its fans, and act like anything but the fans
of an institution that professes to follow a higher standard.I
think, instead of a higher standard, you follow more of a double standard.
Having worked in BYU's admission office for over two years, this article makes
no sense. Vai implies that the reason the students did not get in was because
they are non-members, yet he also explains how they were transfer students as
well as international students. The requirements are completely different for
international students. If they were struggling to speak English--this is a big
deal! The TOEFL Exam score is weighted pretty heavily in determining if an
international student is accepted. So it completely depends what their score
was. Also, Vai, if you gave them their ecclesiastical endorsement, what did you
say? That is also weighted pretty heavily--especially if they are a non-member.
The fact is BYU Admissions does a holistic review. There are so many factors
here that could have been the reason why they did not get in, and to blame it on
the fact that they are non-members is ridiculous. The amount of members who
apply to BYU is way way more than non-members who apply. Also, there definitely
are non-members all over BYU's campus from students to professors alike. This is
a poorly written and assumptive article.
BYU was very competitive in the sciences. I was amazed how hard it was to get
good grades there. When I left BYU for medical school I took a step down in
difficulty. All the BYU guys in my med school did very well, easily showing up
students from other well-regarded universities. I think we all finished in at
least the top third. This is what BYU is aiming for, not to educate the masses,
but to compete at the highest levels of education and raise up the leaders of
the future. When they work in that direction it may come across as elitist to
some, but it's the reason that BYU is number one in producing dental students,
number six for law and number 10 for PhD's and MD's. Unfortunately the
statistically proven best predictor for high level academic success is the
ACT/SAT, so kids with good GPA's get frustrated when BYU doesn't pick them up.
My brothers and I all got into BYU from Utah county, but we all smoked the ACT.
I haven't agreed with some of your articles in the past, but I think you did an
excellent job on this one. Thank you!
@melsuperstarMy kids, including that daughter, attend what is rated
the #1 hs in this state. It was not the quality of her school, or even the
quality of Utah schools overall, it was specifically the points against her for
being local. The admissions people told us that was the issue.Keep
in mind one of my daughters friends is the grand daughter of a former president
of BYU, and had very similar credentials as my daughter, and she to was not
admitted to BYU. I don't think they are playing favorites, they have made a
decision to make the admission requirments tougher for local students. If you
want to contact the admissions office and verify it you can and they will tell
@goredOh good grief *facepalm*. Do you need some cheese with that
Great comments on pressure and expectations. I think we need to cut Jake Heaps
and anyone else some slack for personal choices. I had a great time at BYU and
it prepared me well for life and career, but other places will serve others
needs. Also if we think competition is tough at BYU, wait for bigger
competition when you get out!
I have to chuckle every time I read something in the Deseret News about how
academically rigorous BYU is. It is rigorous, but certainly not any more than
other universities around the country. I graduated from BYU and attended two
other universities along the way. There was no discernible difference. As for
the over all quality of education, I always thought it was fine, but in recent
years I have been puzzled about their hiring decisions. I have personally known
a professor who taught at very unremarkable college in an noncompetitive state
university system who was out of nowhere hired on at BYU. I knew another
professor who lost his job. Nobody wanted him, but BYU hired him. The one thing
they had in common was that they were both serving as stake presidents at the
time they were hired. Now, these were not average men, they were great guys with
strong testimonies, but they were very average as professors. I have always been
puzzled by this. Also, in response to Melesuperstar, What Duckhunter
said regarding a handicap for Utah Valley students is not an opinion. It is a
fact. BYU sets a higher admissions standard for Utah Valley kids. The thinking
is that they have already had the "BYU experience" while they were
growing up. East Coast kids get a bit of a break.
Vai thanks for including the word lonely in your description of BYU. I graduated
from both BYU (Bachelors) and Utah (Masters). There was alot of loneliness at
BYU particularly for women. For this reason I did not push any of my
daughters in that direction. Students at Utah and other "gentile"
schools hear the liberal side of most arguments in class and on the campus and
find the LDS institute to be a refuge from the storm. There are two
things that students at BYU miss out on. One is the opportunity to gain greater
tolerance for others. Two is to better understand how to make an impact in the
world without becomming part of the world.My wife and I loved our
time at BYU but it's certainly not the best place to find a spouse and get an
education for everyone and BYU graduates are lacking in some areas that
graduates from others schools are not.
People who wonder how someone with a high GPA can get denied admission to any
college, realize that colleges look at the classes taken.If you took
5 AP classes and have 3.6, that is usually better than taking 0 AP classes and
having a 3.8.Also, comparing GPAs across high schools around the
country is comparing apples to oranges. If you go to a high school with very
intelligent people, you may get a 3.4. Had you gone to another high school with
not as intelligent students, you may have received a 4.0.Standardized test scores should be more of a determining factor than GPA.
This is the one thing that can be compared across all students.
Living in the Midwest I wish more LDS kids would attend college out here instead
of fleeing West. If everyone stayed, they would be a tremendous influence on the
public universities in the area. There is definitely a stereotype that Mormons
are quite insular and flock together to hide from the world. I went to BYU as an
undergrad, but am glad I came out here for grad school.
So many untruths in the comment section of this article.BYU is tough
to get into period.Last year the AVERAGE gpa was 3.8 and avg. ACT
score was 28. There is no penalty from being from Utah County. The
admissions office looks at 3 things. GPA, ACT, and extracurricular including
service. They work on a points system. You don't get penalized from being from
Utah county in particular but you do get a bonus point if you live east of
Colorado. You talk to people from California and they will tell you
Utah County kids get in easier than they do. Talk to someone from Utah County
and it is just the opposite.If you get in be extremely happy. You
will get a great education and will be able to meet people from all over the
world, literally. If you don't get accepted you can go to BYU-I. Great school
just a lot colder during the winter and you will have to watch your BYU sports
I love Vai's balanced views and appreciate the DNews for recognizing the value
his articles contribute to our reading experience.
Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like the tone of "Via's
View" articles are subtly becoming more and more negative towards BYU. I
wonder what his beef is.
Orem Parent, A bonus point to one group is a penalty to another. It
is the flip side of the same coin. As I stated in my previous comment, East
Coast kids get a break, while Utah County kids have it a little tougher.
Great article Vai!With hard work and persistence, it is possible to
have the BYU experience even without being a 4.0 student.Four of our
children have already graduated from BYU and a fifth is currently a student at
BYU; two started at BYU, the other three started at BYU-Idaho, finished an
Associates degree there, then transferred to BYU. All five served LDS missions,
a little surprising to us since we only have one son.Three of our
daughters have had the unique experience of attending BYU, BYU-Idaho, and
BYU-Hawaii.BYU isn't for everyone and it is much more difficult to
be admitted, but for students who are persistent enough, it isn't as impossible
to be admitted as some have suggested.For those who still fall a
little short, UVU is another avenue for sharing the "BYU experience"
without actually being a BYU student. That's the reason UVU will soon be the
largest university in the State of Utah.
Max,Point taken. My comment was just trying to show that Utah Co.
in particular isn't penalized or rewarded when compared to other Western states.
I mostly hear this from relatives in California who insist that kids in the
Provo area have a much better chance of getting into BYU because they live close
by but you hear the exact opposite from people living in Utah Co. as
demonstrated by the comments.
BlueCougGood points!Sometimes it's worth taking the road
less traveled to get to the same destination.
Vai,You are still the man! Great article.
Thanks for the article. My youngest son was a candidate to play football at
BYU. In head to head contests, he clearly beat out 'the offer' kids. Making a
long story short- he wasn't offered. He recently accepted an 'full ride' offer
to SUU in Cedar City, Utah. BYU offered a walk on status, but for as parents,
we have persisted in having our children work and earn their education after
high school.My oldest son has a full ride and plays football at Utah State
in Logan. He recently got married in the temple, is getting straight A's, and
is playing in his first bowl game. the team highlighted him in an article in
the Hawaii paper about returned missionaries on their team, and that they're
trying to build their returned missionary roster as it creates stability for
their team. BYU is a great shool for many. However, for those who don't
get the chance, they are still blessed. Remember, missionary work is the three
fold mission of the church- how much missionary opportunities are there with 98%
LDS monogamous campus??? Not to diss BYU, but a friend taught me, "There's
no perfect marriage, there's no perfect school, but there is a perfect
Some of parents' worries about admissions are overblown. 30 years ago, when Vai
and I were at BYU, Pres. Packer gave a talk saying, "don't expect to
automatically get into BYU any more. Times are changing." At that time, the
official acceptance rate in Provo was 70%.When my daughter went to
the local Be Smart fireside here last year, we were told by employees of all 3
campuses that Provo's acceptance rate is now 60%, Rexburg's is 97% and Hawaii's
is 100%.So while it's certainly disappointing to not get into Provo
if you really want to go there, 60% is still a far higher percentage than
Harvard, Stanford and other big-name schools take of their first-time freshmen.
And at 60% acceptance, they're guaranteed to be letting in some kids who are not
4.0 and all-everything.And it looks like the advice of others is
correct; if you really want to go to Provo and don't get in as a first-semester
freshman, just go to Rexburg or Hawaii, get high grades in classes that Provo
will accept (checking on that in great detail beforehand), and transfer in after
a semester or two.
Vai's article is detailed and correct that per the LDS Church
ownership,"The primary purpose of BYU is to provide a first-class education
in the disciplines and skills that will qualify you for productive lives while
at the same time inculcating within you a solid foundation of spiritual
values." BYU football and basketball is fun to watch as an Y alumni and
Cougar Club member, but I am more grateful for my education, my wife and my
kid's education at the Y. As a fan I desire that BYU be able to play the best
teams in the respective sports and hopefully win and in turn earn the respect of
opposing teams, sports media and college pollsters.Vai and his dear
wife are class individuals as I knew him as as Home Teaching companion in
Wymount Terrace days (Quad 5). BYU is always espousal than any other university,
because of its unique mission is different than any other University as church
owned institution of higher learning. Thanks again for the reminder on BYU's
true mission and purpose.
Vai, as an international student and LDS graduated from BYU, I can tell you that
BYU won't miss too much by not admitting these 2 Chinese students. There are
simply just too many Chinese students in this country, as well as at BYU. When
you talk about diveristy, there are enough students from all over the world at
BYU is more than a university. As mentioned, students attend for more than
just education. My youngest son was not admitted to BYU. I fought hard to get
him into the school, but without success. He wound up attending a school in the
midwest. Attending that school basically ruined his life. Had he attended BYU
he probably would have an LDS family now and be well into his career. Instead,
he was influenced by the secular environment at the school, failed to get his
degree (until he was 37) and married outside the Church. His situation is heart
breaking to my wife and I. I would like to see the school increase it's
inrollment levels. I know BYU says it is not so, but I believe they give
preference to those from Utah or those related to "good families" what
ever that means. Let's hope that a solution can be found.
It was hard to tell what point he was trying to make. He needs an editor.As for the difficulty of enrollment - I always question the "I got
a 3.x GPA" story. How was that GPA calculated? You realize that BYU
removes the weighting from honors classes, right? You realize that GPA is only
a tiny thing in BYU's calculation? You realize that there is no Provo penalty,
right? You realize there is no legacy weighting, right? BYU does look at GPA,
but it's only about 20% of their criteria -- you're better off with a 3.5 in
Calculus, Physics, and the like, than a 3.8 in easier classes. I think the
problem in Utah is too many kids are taking release-time seminary, which puts
them at a disadvantage against LDS students in other states who take it
early-morning but then have the advantage of taking 4 harder classes...
For those of you Utah folks worried that your kids are being "dinged"
in the admissions process, I would like you to think about what exactly it's
like to be an LDS high school student in the Midwest. In my area, the kids from
two wards meet at the church building for seminary. BEFORE SCHOOL. SIX am. And
no, the church building is not just down the street. Most families drive about
20 minutes or so to get their kids there. Nobody lives close enough to each
other to carpool, and the parents must usually just wait while the kids have
seminary. This class of ten or twelve kids (combined from two wards) then go
thier separate ways to the five or six highschools they attend. The
kids want to be involved in extra-curricular activities so that they can be
competitive in thier college applications, however they also want to keep the
sabbath holy. Almost EVERY activity, school related and otherwise REQUIRE Sunday
participation. School Musical- performance on Sunday. Cheer- competitions on
Sunday. Band, orchestra, choir- Sunday practice and rehearsal. Sports- Same
thing.These kids DESERVE a (small) break when applying to BYU!!!
It's amazing what they sacrifice.
And I agree with what others have said about Utah schools. They are SO much
easier than schools in other parts of the country. This should be taken into
account as well.
Vai,I enjoy your "openness" in your writing; it's probably akin
to the mindset of a good punt returner-grab the ball and go for it. I've always
enjoyed your articles, but I disagree on your giving advice to Jake Heaps to
transfer before he had made his decision. I wish your advice had included the
counsel to also consider that "enduring" a difficult time would also
give this young man experiences that would strengthen himself and his marriage.
You were right to say that his wife and marriage should come first, but would
transferring really be the best thing? I don't know the ins and outs of college
football for the players, what they actually experience, but does he really have
a better chance of improving his skills by transferring? Each person' situation
is different, as you have mentioned, but maybe there were still valuable lessons
to be learned in Provo. Thank you for your fine articles.
From BYU's own website:Admission rate 2011: 62.7%Percentage from US: 93%Percentage from outside US: 6%Average GPA of accepted applicants: 3.82I list these stats to
make sure that any further discussions on this string (I know that I am late to
the table) are based in fact rather than myth.My take on things:I wouldn't call a school that offers admittance to nearly two-thirds of
its applicants "hard to get into."I attended BYU on an
academic scholarship before attending medical school at Utah. I enjoyed
attending BYU, but didn't like all of "the BYU experience." I grew up in the Intermountain West, in a LDS-dominated community. My time in
Provo was just more of the same. But for my wife, who grew up on the East
Coast, the BYU experience was more satisfying.I believe the success
of BYU's graduates is due more to the quality of the applicants that they admit
than to what happens during the student's time on campus. Those 3.8 GPA
students would have excelled no matter where they attended college.I'm not pushing my kids toward BYU. If they choose BYU, I'm OK with that.
@junkgeekYou realize that all of your "you realize"
statements are just your opinion don't you? Have you had a child go through the
admissions process at BYU recently? If not then how is it that you 'know' so
much about it? But just for your info, and it has been stated
multiple times on here so I'm not sure how you missed it, but kids from utah
county do have a disadvantage in the admissions process. Whether that is called
a point against them for being from Utah county or else a point is added to kids
from outside it is still the same, they have a disadvantage because of it. BYU's admissions people readily admit this and will tell you that if you
simply ask. Now as I said before my Daughter is at BYU-Idaho having
a great experience and getting a great education so the only drawback for us is
that it costs more to send her out of state rather than have her just live at
home and we also don't get to see her and miss her. We aren't bitter about it.
But it is a reality so why pretend otherwise?
Interesting debate.I grew up outside of Utah, attended undergrad at
BYU and am now in graduate school in Texas. Currently I teach seminary in my
stake here and have the opportunity to fill out recommendations for those
students applying to BYU. I echo the point above about how much these kids have
to sacrifice and how hard it is to stand out from the crowd. I think you
appreciate that BYU experience a little more when it is different than what you
grew up with-I know I did.That being said, this past year my
sister-in-law (from southern Utah) went through the application process... She
was a valedictorian, 4.0 GPA, honors and AP classes all the way, incredibly hard
worker, active in clubs and sports teams, etc but was very disappointed to not
receive any scholarship offer from BYU despite several full-ride offers from
other institutions. Is that a Utah bias? I don't know. I do know that she
struggled on her ACT, which was probably the determining factor. In
my opinion they can't let enough kids in. The more the merrier. Or perhaps the
more the marry-er :)
"melsuperstar" Salary of the educators has nothing to do with the
quality of education. I live in the far northwest suburbs of Chicago. The
school system is a mess fiscally. The teachers unions are wreakin havoc on
school budgets. I know from first hand experience that your son's situation had
more to do with how class credit is awarded in each state, rather than the
quality of the system.That being said, it is a good thing that
Utahns don't get preferential admissions to the Y. The church would be
ultimately stronger if more Utahns left the state for a decade or so.