Published: Wednesday, Dec. 7 2011 3:00 p.m. MST
I don't know why it is so surprising. I am LDS and I love periodically visiting
other churches and seeing how they worship as well. I also noticed the obvious
omission: no mention on what percent of those baptized in a faith don't attend
church at all in a year. Bet it's higher than 17%.
HA! If religion is so obviously dumb then why waste your kids time taking them
'The chill of the season is being heated up by the bickering talk of the War on
Christmas.' - Article If Christmas was about Christ...
how does the Pine Tree tie in? Did they find it in the desert? And as for the 'war' on Christmas... *Religious lobbying is
changing political focus By Mercedes White Deseret News 11/21/2011 Number of lobbies has grown from 40 to over 200. Seems to
contradict itself when it's published by a paper... that is owned,
by a church. Evidence that even the 'horrible' atheist's scientist's
are tolerant of religion... and religion uses it to try and
'discredit' those who choose not to believe as they do. Great
"study also found some attend services because their spouse or partner is
religious"I would think that'd be a big cause for this stat.
"Many atheist scientists take their kids to church"I'm
going to have to take exception to this headline. A mere 20%, one-fifth of
atheist scientists, hardly seems worthy of an adjective such as
"many". The term "some" would seem to be more appropriate
and accurate since the overwhelming majority..:)..do not appear to participate
in church/religious services.
Pagan, Merry Christmas!I invite you to visit temple square and if
willing, to view the nativity scene. I also extend the invitation to all
atheists, Christians, LDS, non-LDS, and all other groups of people. I personally
and I'm sure many others will be happy to share our message with you.
patriot: "HA! If religion is so obviously dumb then why waste your kids
time taking them to church?"How about...1) As noted in
the article, taking children to church provides them with the knowledge to make
an informed decision regarding their personal faith (or lack thereof), rather
than blindly following their parents' belief system.2) The U.S. is
culturally Christian, even if not necessarily spiritually so or practicing.
Christian memes run through our literature, arts, music, history, vocabulary,
etc. Exposing children to Christian church services gives them the cultural
understanding they need to function in society. They don't have to believe the
content of the service, but they should know what it means.
RE: PaganSo What!So what if the christmas celebration
absorbed some peasant (pagan) celebrations rituals (from trees to santa
clause)Really so what.The most important thing has
always been the celebration of Christ's Birth,The most important
and significant thing has been to take a time of the year and celebrate this
very important event, and so what if other things have been
incorporated to make it more festive or help bring the peasants in in the
past.It seems even athiests can not deny Christs significance in our
Regardless of what many claim, I don't think that anyone KNOWS.So, I
tell my kid the truth. There are many "religious beliefs"
in this country and this world.Some believe in Jesus Christ, some in
Buddha, some in Allah.Others dont believe in any religion.I don't know which if any are correct. These are things that you willhave to learn about and make your own decisions.Now, I know that
many of you think you "KNOW", but, in reality, I think you just
believe strongly. And that is fine.
The Truth: "It seems even athiests can not deny Christs significance in our
world."I believe you're correct, but it isn't the significance
that you imply. Christians are a huge force in the world, as witnessed by the
current political climate, especially among Republicans, in the US. Atheists
certainly cannot deny that. The title of this article is misleading
in a couple of ways. Because Atheists take their families to church does not
confirm a secret worship of Christ or a need for religion. The bulk of the
article does a good job of pointing that out. I attend church weekly with my
family, but it doesn't make me Christian; it makes me the father in a family
that is predominantly Christian, and I support them in their sincere beliefs.I also find the last paragraph misleading. Nothing in the article
suggested that the Atheists in the article believed in any type of God. And of
the 21% of Atheists in the Pew survey that believe in God, three quarters
believed in god as either an "impersonal force" or "other/don't
know." In all, it seems the author tried hard to slant the article to a
pro-religion message that just isn't supported by the facts.
"Teach the children that the pure green color of the stately fir tree
remains green all year round, depicting the everlasting hope of mankind, all the
needles point heavenward, making it a symbol of man's thoughts turning toward
heaven." (Teach the Children the True Meaning of Christmas, author unknown)
It seems so many are very excited to talk about Christ, but very few of them act
Christ like; so what is the real value of Christ. Can the supposed faithful
really bamboozle their way into haven, or is it just one big act of man trying
to tame his fear of death.% A voice of Reason, I totally agree with
you; the Mormon Temple Square is a very beautiful and special place to visit
during the Christmas season.
What percentage of the "faithful" of any religion go out of their way
to expose their children to other viewpoints and ideas of religious beliefs?I find it admirable that these parents are allowing their children to
form their own opinions on things and wish that more parents would do the same.
There are many groups who do everything they can to keep their kids away from
differing opinions on things and avoid critical thinking. If you are so
confident that what you believe is correct, then why should you worry about your
child hearing someone else's opinion? This has nothing to do with
the atheist parent(s) believing in christ or any other supreme being, only with
letting their kids figure it out on their own.
I don't celebrate the religious aspects of the holiday, but I do insist that my
children treat Santa Claus as one should a diety who can perform miracles (you
know--the miracle of reindeer flight and the ascencion of the chiminey) and who
gives us free stuff. They celebrate his coming by bringing gifts of milk and
nutter butters, much as the wise me brought gold and muhr. I absolutely refuse,
however--to allow them to believe that Mr. Claus is capable of giving them
everlasting life as most religions believe that Jesus does. He can,
however--make their earthly life better with material items.
'Pagan, Merry Christmas! I invite you to visit temple square...' - A
voice of Reason | 5:49 p.m. Dec. 7, 2011 I would VOR...
but I would probably be arrested. *'Crowd turns out for Nationwide
Kiss-In' - By James Thalman - Deseret News - 08/16/10 'The en masse
public display of affection was staged to replicate actual incidents in recent
weeks in which gay couples in three cities, including Salt Lake City, were
detained or arrested by security guards...' So, maybe not. But: Happy Hanukkah, Joyous Kwanzaa, Blessed and Merry Yule,
Solstice Blessings, Io Saturnalia, Salamun 'Alaikum, Merry Christmas, God Jul,
Happy Boxing Day, Las Posadas greetings, St. Nicholas Warm Wishes, Peace and Joy
on Bodhi Day, Protections of the Virgin, Joyous Epiphany Celebration, and Happy
New Year! You are so tolerant! :)
My parents were both non religeous people, they stopped going to church shortly
after marrying 37 years ago. Growing up we had a tree, celebrated christmas,
went to midnight mass, had dinners, etc just like most religeous families. I
asked my parents one time why we celebrate if were not religous? They said we
celebrate for the joy of the season and culture of it, santa, presents,
christmas tree's, cookies, dinners, etc and all for all people, they arent even
found anywhere in the bible. As for mass, they said it was important for us kids
to see why others celebrate christmas. Over the years we went to many services
of other faiths. Its not surprising atheists take their kids to church, Most
atheists are not like what you see in media. Private Prayer in schools, crosses
on the highway, public nativity scenes, 10 commandments in courthouses, etc do
not offend or bother them and they in fact find it as an expression of our
culture. Its only when one's beliefs are used to directly Legislate anothers do
you find an issue.
@VoR;I have a beautiful hand carved wooden Nativity Set. Just
because I don't believe that Christ was the son of god (is there even a god?)
doesn't mean there's no reason to enjoy the season.
'Pagan, Merry Christmas! I invite you to visit temple square...' - A
voice of Reason | 5:49 p.m. Dec. 7, 2011 I apologize.
Let me give you a more specific example. *Survey shows some LGBT
residents dont feel safe By Rosemary Winters SL Tribune 07/12/10
'A kiss between two men on the LDS Churchs Main Street Plaza that resulted in
trespassing charges. Again, I would LOVE to go to Temple. The lights
during winter and flowers during summer are VERY nice. And a pleasant view. But again... I would probably be arrested.
Pagan,Solstice Blessings to you!If you were tolerant of
others' beliefs (notice I didn't even say "respectful") and did not
engage in activities (public kiss-in) intentionally designed to provoke a
reaction, you would be MORE than welcome on Temple Square. Hard to blame the
bees for the stings when you intentionally kick in the beehive.
lol, Pagan you got a real laugh out of that one.I don't worship
Santa or pine trees. I worship our Heavenly Father. I suspect that your family
is/was LDS and you were brought up in the church. You may have even read the
Book of Mormon. I think you know as much as anyone that the LDS Church doctrine
is calculated only to promote happiness and freedom as we have explained it.If you are welcomed into my peaceful home, and provoke contention, then
you either must accept that you willfully chose to conflict in my home. Or if
you still blame my rules, then I am guiltless regardless of my actions in your
own home. You can't provoke conflict because you don't believe what I do, IN MY
home, and call yourself tolerant. It defines intolerance.ToleranceI accept you doing whatever you want in your own home. I
do what I want in mine. But provoking people on temple square is essentially you
violating another persons home. We promote our views in democracy, sure... but
our home, our rules. If you can't even accept that then I am not the intolerant
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