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Prep basketball: Small-town South Sevier slays a 5A giant

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  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    Clark is happy at SS. Winning does that for kids. He has new friends and his family situation is much better. It is a little disappointing to see him playing center 100% of the time. This is a kid with point guard skills that will not have the opportunity to show them off with his current team. Unfortunately he is SS best option at center so that is where he'll play. Good thing for Austin is that there is always summer ball, he can play guard there.

  • Me, Myself and I Blanding, UT
    Dec. 13, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    SS

    I'm with you I don't really think Clark will transfer again. I was speaking a little tongue in cheek. I just had to comment because I love giving JD a hard time.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    Clark will stay at SS. I think he understands that he would not be MVP even at another school. Besides, he has made friends at SS and has the supporting cast, and is the support, that the team needs to be a great team. Watch out for SS in the next two seasons!

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 2:30 p.m.

    MM&I..You are funny. I call myself a fan. How about you? Have any kids from any place outside of Blanding ever moved into town and happened to be talented football players? Should Coach Lee tell them to move back to where they came from? It is not Coach Hunt's fault if talented kids come to South Sevier with the blessing of the UHSAA and play hoops. Sounds to me like your beef should be with the folks in SLC not in Monroe.

  • Me, Myself and I Blanding, UT
    Dec. 12, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    JD the only thing that cheapens anything South Sevier does is your comments. And the Clark transfer isn't an anomaly. I'm sure Wayne County would have loved it if the Blackburn kid would have stayed there to play instead of joining Bishoff and company at SS. So if coach Hunt does hang a sign on the north end of town remind him to hang one on the south end too.

    p.s.
    I'm not saying either transfer wasn't upheld or approved by UHSAA, or they weren't done by the rules. I will say this though, Clark's shouldn't have. This will be the third high school he's played for in as many years. Dad's Red Devils wouldn't get him the recognition or wins, Story's Wolves didn't give him the minutes he deserved. Next year it will be he wants a shot at the MVP so he can't play with Race at SS. Next stop ??? Beaver? Parowan? Enterprise? lol

  • coltenjohnson Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2011 11:55 a.m.

    Wow. Thats impressive for a 5a school to have so many of their basketball players play football too. I never accused Fremont of making excuses. It looks like their the only ones not making excuses. Its the other up north big city schools making excuses and for a 5a school I guess Fremonts as country as it gets. If South Sevier beat a good team like Fremont Im sure they would have seen just as much success or more against more than half of the 5a teams up there.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Dec. 10, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    Super Trouper....What can Hunt do if kids want to play hoops for South Sevier, put a sign on the north end of town that says "We don't want anyone else to move to this area, especially if you have kids that want to play basketball? I was commenting on a previous post that alluded to the fact that there are more move in's on the team than homegrown kids.

  • Super Trooper SLC, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 10:37 p.m.

    An anomaly that has happened about three times in the last 6 years.

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Dec. 9, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    The bottom line is that many kids want to play hoops at South Sevier because of their coaching and tradition. Clark transferred in from North Sevier and did it by the rules. This transfer decision was upheld by the UHSAA in SLC. Many seem to think that the team is made up of kids who transfer in from all over. The bottom line is that South Sevier hoops is and has always been made up of kids who grow up in the school boundaries. The Clark situation is an anomoly.

  • cedarpost Washington, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2011 1:49 p.m.

    will someone shed some light on these transfer students or kids from other towns outside of the South Sevier boundary. I haven't heard anything about it and a ton of comments have mentioned it. Im confused. Thanks.

  • lloyd braun ogden, utah
    Dec. 9, 2011 12:03 a.m.

    What's funny about a lot of these comments, is that they come from people who think they know so much about all of these schools. If you've noticed, Fremont isn't making any excuses. As Fremont's coach said in the article, they knew S. Sevier was good when they scheduled them, and wanted to play a great South Sevier team. They told their guys that S. Sevier was a very good team, so what's not to like about high school sports. For the record Colten Johnson, 4 of 5 starters for Fremont started in football, as did the first 3 guys off the bench. Fremont's people aren't using that as an excuse. They got outplayed by a very good team, and that's that. FYI, Brighton and Bingham dropped their games with Fremont in July from what I here, and Fremont had to find some games. They were happy to schedule S. Sevier, knowing what kind of reputation they had. Don't assume you know everything about everything. Good luck to both South Sevier and Fremont this year. Two schools with great basketball tradition.

  • coltenjohnson Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    how many of Fremont's starters really even played football? Probably not as many as South Seviers. Up North is gonna make excuses. Thats what they do when they get proven wrong. No reason to be embarrased or make excuses. South Seviers a good team

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    SS is legit! Good for that dominant 2A school! 4 titles since 2000! sweet!

    It is 2A! but a state title lives for ever baby!
    Beating teams up north from Region one dont hold much!

    but good for your five boys! the are good!! whole lot better then me!

  • JD Books Sulphurdale, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Many people have commented that So. Sevier caught Fremont at the wrong time and that they were banged up from football. SS can only play who is on their schedule, don't take this historic win away from these kids who have worked their guts out.

  • SSBball MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 12:42 p.m.

    @binghamalum,
    Wow, get your facts straight please before posting anymore. SS has won 3 State Titles since 2000. 2000, 2001, 2006, and 2011. I don't know where you are reading. Not to mention that since 2006 SS hasn't had a season under 20 wins and they haven't taken anything under 3rd at state. I admit its hard to beat a team that shoots 65 percent throughout a game, but it also takes a dang good team to shoot that well. What people are failing to mention is that Fremont took a lot more shots than SS and only had 35 percent from the field. SS didn't take a lot of shots, they just made the ones they did take. And who said that SS boys only play baketball? Are you kidding me? SS boys usually play three sports a year, sometimes four.

  • WAdad Mt Pleasant, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 12:33 p.m.

    @ binghamalum Your looking at this as a win/lose issue only. Fremont's looking at it as a chance to get better. If you want to get better, you play the best. Where else would they get a chance to play against an 85% night. They'll be better next time against a high percentage shooting team having played that game. Fremonts looking ahead to March, not just the next day's headlines

  • Big Pappy west jordan, utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 12:15 p.m.

    WOW!!! I love it!

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 12:10 p.m.

    Sounds right.. Just another yahoo without the facts

    JD has a bunch of sophs playing.. I don't see a bunch of 6'6" kids on their frontline

    Judge is the same and their coach is solid

    Cedar had the biggest transfer of all this year, your QB
    Without Ursua, you guys dont even make the 2a playoffs in football this past fall!

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:54 a.m.

    Fremot just put it self in a bad situation. you are 5A, and u cant schedule any 5A or 4A teams???

    If you won, you would of been told oh you should of won your 5A there 2A, and but if you lose, this huge article goes up for beating a power 5A, who is not that good at this time, just got out of football 2 weeks ago. SS boys play only basketball! and they only played 5 guys against you, and HIT

    85 PERCENT of there shots in t2nd half and 70 for game. anyone can beat anyone in this worl if you shoot it like that.

    Dynasty are teams who win and win state titles.

    South Sevier, One state title since 2000!

    2002! ha good team though. but will go 24-2 this year losing to wasatchg academy again.

  • JD Books Monroe, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 11:51 a.m.

    Don't worry South Sevier fans, there is enough pledge available to keep shining the gold trophies.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 8, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    @Sounds Right,
    SS would have beat both of the Cedar City teams last year with all homegrown kids. I think they were even tougher last year than they are this year. And if you put all of Sevier County together, where this apparent recruit came from, its still not as big as Cedar City. SS's only loss this year so far came from Wasatch Academy. They have players from all over the globe. You just have to step up and play with them. Don't be throwin mud at SS just because they are good.

  • podunk utah DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 8, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    a lot of talk on small school vs big school here, basketball is a bit different than football (where numbers pay off), in reality, high school bball, you need 5 athletes, ball players, hoopsters, what ever you want to call them... sometimes it comes together in a school with 300 kids... sometimes it never comes together in a school with 1500 kids, go figure.

    second, you need a dedicated coaching staff that knows the game and who get those athletes to show up and believe.

    so good job SS!

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Dec. 8, 2011 6:20 a.m.

    A number of would be 5A players end up private schools for a myriad of reasons. Put good coaching into them and teams like Wasatch Academy and others can bea really good. They can lack depth but there are a lot of good players in these smaller schools. It didn't take long for Juan Diego to pick up the pace because their budget allowed for first rate coaching. A hoosiers type playoff would be excellent in Utah. Unfortunately the larger schools ego's couldn't take the occasional beating by the 1A/2A crowd.

  • Captain Kanab, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    Everyone will try to take something away from what SS did. People go to SS to play basketball because they want to. They have a great program and probably the best coach in the state. These players are not forced to go. If you had an opportunity for your kids to have a better shot at winning wouldnt you want them to take it? Congrats Coach Hunt and the Rams, Im happy to see a small school try to shut these big boys up. To bad it didnt work.

  • yes PROVO, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    speaking of Copper Hills, i believe they scheduled another 1A school this year in Liahona. Not sure if they are as good as last year, but if they are we may be looking at another upset??? Not a smart choice. If youre going to schedule down that many classifications make sure its a team you are sure you can beat. A last in region 5A vs a 2nd in state 1A was a dumb move.

  • Uncle Sam West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 4:40 p.m.

    Well folks, look at the comment board and you will understand WHY larger schools do not play smaller schools. There is everything to lose and nothing to gain. I would say kudos to Fremont for playing the game, but I don't think they thought this through very well when they scheduled the game. This is definitely a lesson for 5A schools that didn't already know it, but scheduling a 2A school is a huge mistake. I don't care who the 5A coach is, you cannot get your kids up for a 2A school no matter how good they are. It's a lose/lose situation. Don't look for too many 5A schools to do this, unless it is Copper Hills. They seem to enjoy getting beat by the smaller schools and they keep scheduling them.

  • Sounds right.. Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 3:02 p.m.

    I guess SS lives by the same rules as Juan Diego and Judge Memorial. Too bad all 2A teams can't take another teams best player by moving just for sports.

  • KRY South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 2:21 p.m.

    Great win for SS. I think we should see more of these games but the only time we hear anything is when the little school wins. SS has a good team this year and can compete with any team in the state except Lone Peak, AF, and West Jordan. Not because they are big schools but because they are good teams.

    If we had a true state championship with all the classifications no 1A, 2A or 3A team would win and if they did it would be 1 in 15years. Then the smaller schools would complain its not fair. Lets keep it how it is, SS can beat some of these teams in pre-season but year in and year no way.

    SS and WA are quality teams who play in 2A. Boise St and Utah were great football teams who played in the WAC and Mountain West its not fair but it is the way it is.

  • wrkhrdhvfn Monroe, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:28 p.m.

    @Hold for the last Shot: My bad... you are right on. I shouldn't have overlooked Waterford. I haven't seen them play yet this year, but I have heard they can hold their own. Honestly, I was a little surprised because of the loss of Eric Mika, but it sounds like they are another contender.

    @POD: I don't know what your definition is of a "superleague team is", but I'm pretty sure South Sevier doesn't fit the term. We do have 1 kid/family that moved to our area to get away from an ugly situation in their own school and town. Something we really had no control over, but given the situation, I don't blame them. Yes, he is a great player, but you forget that we won the state championship last year without him... with kids that have were "home grown".

    I don't see South Sevier destroying everybody on their schedule, but I can almost guarantee they will work hard and compete. As for a banner, it is always the goal, but let's take one game at a time.

  • JD Books Monroe, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:12 p.m.

    I second what another person posted that no matter the year, no matter the talent level, South Sevier will always be a force to be reckoned with in hoops. I think we can say dynasty.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    That's a good win for SS...and not to take anything away from that win, but don't go Ape over a one night performance.

    Anytime a team shoots 85% from the field...you are not going to beat them. These are insurmountable numbers...65% from the field for the game....the nice thing is whoever is playing a team that shoots 85% from the field has to match them basket for basket...otherwise you lose by 15!

    Nice win Rams! It was your night!

  • PG #1 FAN Lindon, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Look, a win is a win. Every year Boise State thumps a big BCS school and the win is somehow discounted because of some excuse. This excuse, that Fremont went to the finals in football and aren't all the way ready to play yet, rings hollow. The Monroe boys took a 3 hr bus ride to play this game and still got it done. South Sevier has 3 really good players and a good supporting cast. The addition of Clark makes this team formidable against anyone. Austin can play all 5 positions well. His versatility creates matchup problems for any school they play. That said, would they be 5A Champs? Probably not... but my guess is that they would make the semi-finals. Once this team completely gels, and the team is well on its way, they will destroy everyone else on their schedule. Hang another banner SS.

  • Frankenberry Saint George, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    Stacked decks don't always turn up the cards you expect. Way to go Rams!

    DesNews: Are you kidding me? No, really.

  • POD Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    SS basically has a superleague team, not actually homegrown.

  • Hold for the last Shot MAPLETON, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:53 a.m.

    @ wrkhrhvfn: You've got to add Waterford to the SS, WA, Manti teams in 2A. They gave Wastach Academy all they could handle last night.

  • wrkhrdhvfn Monroe, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    One more thing, I believe South Sevier totally understands that Fremont went late into the football season and aren't at their prime yet. That is a very legitimate. (Just because we are small-town doesn't mean we are stupid). We also get that Fremont was missing one of their best players due to a football injury. Fremont will get much much better throughout the season. That is what preseason is for. That said, South Sevier is still learning and growing and already talking about what they need to do better. They will improve also, just as they have from their previous games. How about giving some credit to Fremont? They didn't get beat by a team that would "take an absolute beating on a night in and night out basis". South Sevier does have some other good wins over bigger schools, (including the Utah Summer Games Gold over Jordan), but it's hard to put too much stock in them as they were during the summer and we all know that summer ball just isn't the same.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    I would like to echo those comments about the class that Fremont showed and the fact that, yes, looked at as a whole, 2A is not as strong as 5A. However, those that are making the excuse of SS "drawing" from other teams, or having an all-star team don't see the whole picture. It is my opinion that the SS team from last year, with the seniors that they lost was an even tougher team than this years team. And that team was made up of kids that had grown up and lived in the Monroe area their whole lives. Yes, Austin Clark is a good player, but he can't replace two great seniors, in Winn and Baker. So you can make that excuse if it helps you justify how good SS is, but the fact of the matter is, SS will have a good team every year, regardless of who is on it, or where they are from.

  • 3-pointer monroe, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:03 a.m.

    I am definitely a South Sevier homer....and my opinion is biased. BUT, to blame Fremont's loss on the idea that they aren't playing well now is nothing more than an excuse. True, they will probably be playing better basketball in January and will be a much improved team by then....BUT, which basketball team won't be?

    The Fremont game is the only SS game I haven't seen them play so far....and, from what I have seen, SS is playing far below their potential. I believe a SS-Fremont game in January if it were to be played would be highly competitive. Fremont might win that game and they might not...who knows? But, one thing is for certain, not only would both teams be better by January, but SS won the game in December.

    I, too, would love a Hoosiers type Utah state tournament at the end of the year...my bet is that the small schools would struggle year in and year out....but, every decade or so, we might just shock the world!

  • wrkhrdhvfn Monroe, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    I want to echo the comments about the classiness shown by Fremont. It says a lot for them that they WERE willing to schedule South Sevier, even more so in the way that they treated our team, coaches and fans. Their hospitality was greatly appreciated. Fremont has some great players and coaches. Yes, there are some awesome 5A teams this year, but I still expect Fremont to win a lot more than they lose and pull some upsets against the 5A top dogs. (The win against 4A SkyView was a great win already.) Good luck Fremont! Our little valley will be pulling for you.

    2A will be a very competitive bracket this year with Wasatch Academy, Manti, and South Sevier. Gunnison has also been impressive at times.

    One thing you can count on with the South Sevier club. They will stay humble and keep things in perspective. We definitely don't have the depth enjoyed by larger schools, and we know we are not a 5A contender, but we have players who are hard working, talented individuals that are starting to pull together as a team, and coaches who will settle for nothing less than best effort any given night.

  • Prep Fan 89 Draper, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:19 a.m.

    Let's not go too crazy here people. Fremont played for the state title in football, and they had to play their first basketball game the following Wed. They then had all of Thanksgiving break off, and last week was their first week of real practice.

    I will give credit to South Sevier, because I know that they are a solid 2A school. But Fremont is hardly at full strength right now. If these two teams played in January, I think it is an entirely different game. I am not trying to discredit SS, but you have to understand the extra insight of this Fremont team. They are not even close to ready for region play, and they have barely had a week of practice.

    A 2A school is obviously capable of playing with the big boys, but if you put any 2A school in either Region 3 or Region 4 they would get destroyed over the course of a season. Of course they would win a game or two, but they would take an absolute beating on a night in and night out basis. Also - SS now has the best player from another 2A, sorta like an all-star team.

  • bookonwomen Beverly Hills, CA
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    More proof that a really good 1A-2A-3A can play with anyone, despite what a 4A-5A homer thinks.

  • roughd Draper, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:09 a.m.

    Sure would be fun to have a true State Tournament between all school regardless of classification, or even have the champs from each class play each other. Hoosiers!!!

  • Central Utah Monroe, utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:54 a.m.

    Looking ahead...2a Wasatch Academy, the team that beat South Sevier, will be playing Weber. Another 2a v 5a showdown, a team that is in the same division as Fremont. Interesting...let's see how that game shakes out. It was fun to watch the high quality basketball played by Fremont. Great Job Rams!!!

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:34 a.m.

    I feel great for coach Hunt after the trial of his faith so to speak that took place over the transfer deal.

    I don't think anyone has said that 2A is equal to any higher classification but we have felt like our top few teams each year can play with the the rest of the 3A-5A teams in the state. There are some good ball teams in 2A and 1A.

    Thanks to teams like Fremont who are willing to give the little guy a shot and then be nice enough to compliment them. That, in my opinion, shows class and leadership.

    I must say also that having been an Enterprise fan my whole life, it's been nice of all the St.George schools to schedule us for the most part. We haven't won a lot of the games but have won from time to time. Thanks to all of you that have had enough respect for the little guys to schedule them!

  • HTSJCCAFALG SLC, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    This was a GREAT win, however, lets realize that this "small town" basketball that has "drawn" from several small towns over the past 10 years including from the attendance area of 2 or 3 other high schools!

  • Ville Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:54 a.m.

    Great job by SS on their victory. Once in a while you do get a small school team that has a couple of really talented players that have D-1 ability and can make a run at some of the larger schools in the state. But don't get too carried away by thinking they can hang with ANY school in the state. Fremont is a good team but they are not LP, AF, WJ, Bountiful to name a few. Having lost already to another 2A school, doesn't help your argument. While I may differ in opinion from the comment, it still doesn't take away from a really nice victory for the SS team. Good luck to them as they work towards a state championship.

  • binghamalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:46 a.m.

    You just shot 85 percent in the second half on the road!

    Fremont wont compete in 5A this year, because everyone knows there is American Fork, West Jordan, and the best team in the state by far Lone Peak,

    But much appreciation for the win! good for the SS Rams, ha he can coach up his team to play there hearts out against 5A Fremont because if fremont won it would be oh they should of!

    Nothin out of scheduling 2A or 3A, because if 5A wins, the little schools are suppose to lose right??

  • JD Books Monroe, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:19 a.m.

    As I have calmly stated for weeks now, SS Hoops is on par with any school in the state. SS is lucky to have Hunt, Parsons and the rest of the coaches who are on par with ANY coaching staff in the state.

  • SS MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:18 a.m.

    @Fairytale,
    Yes, it was a convincing win over Fremont. Losing to Wasatch Academy only shows that there is more competition in 2A ball than people like to think. WA probably could have beat Fremont too.

  • EagleAlum. OREM, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:38 a.m.

    Good job SS, way to represent 2A you guys made everyone in 2A proud. Plus you guys brought a lot of respect back with you thanks for showing the state even the little schools can compete with the big dogs!

  • 2afan Layton, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    Great game ss. Hope you get wa next time

  • aficionado Sandy, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:03 a.m.

    congrats S.S!!!!!!! but don't get hot in the head. the team you played isn't that good. but still. big accomplishment

  • Bear Laker Laketown, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:02 a.m.

    Nice article James. It's nice to see the ssmall town Utah get acknowledged on some of these wins. It is also nice that Fremont filled their schedule with s tough small school. It's a no win situation for the larger schools but it is not bad for them. Rich has played 4A and 5A schools for years and years and now the larger schools get just as excited when they beat a quality program like Rich is in Volleyball as if they were playing for state. It makes it fun. Nice job to both teams on this event. South Sevier is the real thing for sure. When we covered these same kids with MySportsGuys last year, we knew they would be tough again this year.

  • Fairytale Park City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    Very Convincing, way to beat Fremont and lose to Wasatch Academy? Thats like Boise State going undefeated and then missing a field goal 2 years in a row to take a BCS championship game oppurtunity away from them.

  • creek35 Richfield, utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 6:10 a.m.

    SHOCKED!!! I thought they may loose by ten or so but very nice game good job Boys we are proud of are RAMS you are #1 keep up the wins....

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Dec. 7, 2011 6:05 a.m.

    Well done Coach Hunt!

  • SSBball MiddleofNowhere, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 2:21 a.m.

    Hahaha, I remember there was a lot of talk at the first of the season about 2A basketball not being competitive and that if SS played any 5A school it wouldn't even be a game . . . Well, I guess we have our proof now. And don't make excuses. Fremont is ranked 8th in the state overall. They beat Sky View who is ranked 12th overall and 3rd in 4A. And it wasn't like SS won with a buzzer beater, they beat them by 15 points, pretty convincing victory I think. Anyway, I'm not saying that SS is untouchable obviously, they lost to Wasatch Academy, also a very good 2A team, but I am saying that no high school team, even in 5A is untouchable regardless of what you people up north think. A 2A just beat a 5A by 15 points. If you're good, you're good. It doesn't matter what classification you are in. Classification doesn't equal talent. Talent can be found anywhere. Congratulations South Sevier.