BYU basketball: Cougars will have hands full with Lillard, Wildcats


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  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:29 p.m.


    I was doing some Christmas errands, so I had to listen to the first half on radio in the car. I heard the technical foul on Bamforth was ticky-tacky, but I didn't see it. Regardless, Weber State flat out got beat--so no it was not a factor. I was kind of disappointed in their second half. They just gave up and went through the motions.

    I said before the game that I thought the height advantage would be a big problem for Weber State--they really haven't had an inside game since Harold Arceneaux. The only check on BYU's height was Bullinger, and when he went down against San Jose State I knew they were in trouble. They needed to play up tempo and have a good shooting night--they did neither.

    I think it shows that USU, WSU, and BYU all have great home floor advantages, and clearly right now, BYU is the best team in state. Weber State will need to strengthen their inside game. If they can't keep their opponent's defense honest, the opponents will play the perimeter and shut down the guard play.

    Hopefully, this spurs Weber State to do better.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:12 p.m.

    Appears it was a handful of blocks!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:57 p.m.

    Well wildcat I'll give you credit for checking the facts and acknowledging them. Now all I want to know is if you think the refs were really a factor in the game tonight?

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:41 p.m.

    "Cougars will have hands full with Lillard, Wildcats..."

    or not!

    Frankly, I was expecting this to be a much closer game and for Lillard to be a whole lot better.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    94-66 yer final... Real test WSU... Real test.... NEXT!

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:03 p.m.

    It looks like it might be Marriott Center II up on the hill again this year. Better start Runnin' Utes, the Cougars are coming!

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    Next Saturday when Baylor rolls into town will be the real test... Not any of the teams mentioned above... They are all destroyable yawnfests as was PROVEN this night in Provo..... The date on the hill will be a walk in the park blindfolded and the Cougs will sit 8-2 waiting for Baylor to come into town.... Sure, the WCC games might be a test on the road.... But not at home and perhaps not with this team.... Beat Baylor and 28-2 is a real possibility

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    BYU lost to USU by 7 in Logan.
    USU lost to WSU by 10 in Ogden.
    BYU is destroying WSU in Provo.

    Yeah, I'm gonna say it. BYU is the best team in the state right now.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    Yawn. This game is boring. I was excited to see this good Wildcat team that was supposed to give the Cougars all they could handle; and some guy named Lillard that is supposed to be the second coming of Jimmer.

    11 points with 4 and a half to go. There's your star.

  • Bluecat82 Minneapolis, MN
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:40 p.m.

    Looks like BYU may be just a teeny bit better than a lot of folks thought...

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:34 p.m.

    Fans represent neither the institution they root for or the religion they claim to participate in.... They represent only themselves... So, for you to base how you revere either BYU or the LDS religion on how fans act is simply absurd and speaks less of your character than anything!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    I'll bet you u-90 that USU BYU rematch would show a much different outcome.... Same venue is fine... Truth is that at the end of the season we will all know that what Cougar fans are saying tonight is still true then... Best team in the state end of discussion.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    A tip of my hat to Ducky,

    I did look it up. Usually tournaments are played in consecutive days at a netural or host court, but this Invitational allowed for Wisconsin and some other teams to host the lower teams for the first two rounds two to three days apart--which is why BYU jumped all over the chance I am sure.

    I can admit when I am wrong. Unlike the BYU fans who will tell you football independence is better than being in the Big 12 or Big East. It's charming individuals like yourself Ducky that make me hold BYU and the LDS religion in such high esteem. Have a blessed day. Your buddy, Wildcat.

  • bluecoug89 Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    Lillard looks like he's pretty good, but I'd agree that there's only one Jimmer

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    So far so great in Provo... To be expected by anyone with a brain and that has watched more than 20 seconds of any of the past 3 games.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:37 p.m.


    how can byu be the best in the state when they lost to utah state? if the y had won that game you might be able to build a case, but they didn't win and it really wasn't that close

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 5:51 p.m.

    Uh wildcat, you are still making a fool of yourself over the Longwood and Prairie View assertion. They were tournament games and since the Dnews doesn't allow links why don't you just google it up and see for yourself. Oh that's right, you aren't going to do that because you know it's true already.

    But let's go ahead and list the participants in the Chicago Invitational Challenge this year.

    Prairie View A&M

    The early round games were played on the home courts of the larger particpants like BYU and Wisconsin then the tournament shifted to Chicago for the final weekend.

    But now you are making even more excuses, the refs, injuries, etc.


  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Dec. 7, 2011 4:25 p.m.

    There is only one Jimmer.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 4:19 p.m.

    Oh my buddy Duckhunter posted, the fan who thought Prairie View and Longwood were tournament games even though they were a week apart (he must be a very dedicated fan). LOL to quote him.

    As a fan, I have seen games at the Marriot Center. I know how the calls go in critical moments of the game. Basketball is like this in general, but nothing compares to the happy valley of BYU. Also, when you are in a smaller conference like Weber State, the refs tend to "scoreboard" officiate even more.

    I said that I was 60/40 sure of a victory last week since it was at the Marriot, but since Bullinger (best rebounder) went down, it is a 50/50 or 40/60 chance now.

    The Cats will need a big game from Bamforth and need Otis and Mahoney to step up the "D". They will need to run to minimize the height advantage. I think it will be a competitive game and the Wildcats still have one of their best chances to escape Utah County with a win.

    I bet Ducky can't even name two players on the BYU team. Quack on buddy.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:41 p.m.


    I see you have your excuses already in place after the loss. LOL! Just like "wildcat' tried to tell us last week that if weber loses it will be because of the refs. Pathetic.

    @weber state graduate

    And Collinsworth is out for BYU, sounds like a wash to me. Are you just preparing excuses like your fellow "weberwildcat"? Also I didn't see anything claiming the BYU players are overconfident, did you? Overconfidence by fans has no bearing at all on the outcome of a game. But based on the postings from you, weber wildcat, and wildcat last week it would seem that overconfidence, or confidence of any kind, isn't the problem for weber fans. You all seem to be coming up with excuses for the loss before the game is even played.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:19 p.m.

    Marriott Center is a tough place to play. Most PAC-12 teams won't agree to play there. Weber St will need to bring their "A" game to steal one there...but it is possible. Should be a great game if BYU shows up.

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Dec. 7, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Really like being able to watch the Cougs play on TV. Happy the school didn't give in to the Big East and Big 12.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 12:00 p.m.

    regular digital TV without cable and satelite, it is in HD

  • Utah Jazz fan Chris Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:47 a.m.

    Best Case Scenario for Weber State: win by 1-5, with Lillard scoring 20-30 points and Bamforth scoring 15-25 points

    Worst Case Scenario for Weber State: Lose by 5-10 pts, with Lillard still scoring 20-30 points but Bamforth only scoring less than 10 points

    Bamforth needs to step it up and stop being inconsistent!!! Its driving Weber State fans crazy!!! Lillard can't do it alone!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:46 a.m.


    There are standard and HD signals for BYUtv - 647 for HD on Comcast.

  • weberwildcat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:09 a.m.

    Why is BYUTV out of date? It is not HD. Oh well, still better than BigSkyTV...but barely.

  • weberwildcat Ogden, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 11:07 a.m.

    Go Weber!!!!!!

    Battle that 5 on 8 matchup anyway!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:20 a.m.

    Davies has been very inconsistent in his ability to finish from 4-6'. He needs to man up and get more of a killer instinct from that position with the ball in his hands. At least draw the foul, and then MAKE the free throw.

    I'd like to see Rogers playing a few more minutes - that guy can flat out score from the outside.

    BYU - 84
    Weber - 76

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Dec. 7, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    Weber sounds like they have a solid team. Hopefully BYU can play a good game and limit Lillard. The DVR is set and ready to go. I love BYUtv. I guess I can always watch on my phone as well.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:36 a.m.


    If you have antenna and your built in hdtv tuner, you can get HD directly to your tv. Don't use Satalite for BYUtv, from antenna which is on channel 11-3 which ever it is.

    Austin was great on his last game and I am sure Dave Rose will insert him depending how the game goes.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:15 a.m.

    @Weber State Graduate
    There is no doubt Weber State has a great team this year. My opinion is that USU, WSU, and BYU are comparable this year - any one of them is capable of beating the other on any given night.

    Against WSU, BYU probably has the front court edge. Weber State probably has an edge in the back court.

    No overconfidence here. It should be a great game.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2011 9:14 a.m.

    BYU's strength and identity so far this year is defense. I think they're still trying to find a personality for their offense. No go-to scorer as yet, although Hartsock is steady game-to-game.

    So, to me, the key to tonight's game is how well they defend Lillard. But, with one of their bigs down, Weber State might have a tough time defending BYU's bigs, especially if Austin gets playing time and performs as well as he has.

    This'll be a fun game to watch. Wish it was in HD on my satellite.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:28 a.m.

    I wonder who Roger Reid will root for?

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:24 a.m.

    Overconfidence that your team "are the best in the state in this game" can be a dangerous thing...be carefull with that kind of "mark it down" talk. Weber State is very good. Without Bullinger, the Wildcats may not win. But then again, overconfidence by the Cougars is certainly not smart.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 7, 2011 7:21 a.m.

    The Cougs seem to have a good team this year, but not great (yet). They are better than I expected for as young as they are and having to replace two of the best guards to ever play BYU basketball. Regular season wins will likely be 22 - 24.

    Our ability to win games against other good teams like Weber St, St Marys and Santa Clara will be tested.

    I think the singular key to improving our prospects is the play of Brandon Davies. Especially now that we know Collinsworth will not be back until late in the season, if at all, we need to get 30 minutes of solid play from Davies in these matchups. He needs to stay out of foul trouble. He needs to score 15+ points per game and average close to double digit rebounds. He's had some outstanding performances this year, but he has not been consistent. If we get wins against Weber State, and other key matchups, it will be because of the play of Davies.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    Dec. 7, 2011 5:48 a.m.

    Home, sweet home! BYU would have beaten USU at home, just as Weber did. I look for BYU to show they are the best in the state in this game.