I agree Jake has acted like a little kid, but I disagree its all about playing
time. Had Jake redshirted next year, he would almost have been guaranteed the
starting role for 2 years.Wherever he goes, he'll still have to
fight for the starting job after sitting a year. Why would Jake think his
prospects of starting in 2013 would be any better elsewhere as opposed to byu?
I think it has very little due to playing time(for the reasons I state) and a
lot more about ego.
Very insightful article! I couldn't agree with you more. It contained a lot of
the same thoughts I've asked myself. I guess the only question I have about
reading some of the articles coming out of the DN now is why didn't this same
level of article come out before? This article would have been entirely
appropriate when the "transfer" option was initially thrown out there.
Now these "post-decision" articles by the DN just seem to be piling on
before Heaps can even get out of town.
The more I read and think about the last two years, the more I am over Heaps.
He has talent, but has shown no feel for the college game. Did the coaching
staff have to make promises to start him early in order to secure him? If so,
they won't be doing that again. I'm really tired of the fans who
evidently have never played the game and who are blaming everyone but Jake for
his situation. In the broader popular culture, celebrity and entitlement count
more and more. In life and in sports (and especially in football, where if one
guy really blows it, the whole team suffers), entitlement is toxic. If you need
celebrities, go read about the Kardashians.GO Cougars!
Come on. If any of us were in Jake's situation we would do the same thing. #1
BYU's offense is not suited to Jake's abilities. #2 It is obvious the coaching
staff doesn't like him. let him go somewhere where the coaching staff does like
him. He is a kid! The dude is still a teenager. Of course he's not going to
have the same maturity as a grown man who is a returned missionary. I personally
think he acted quite reasonably. I never heard one bad thing said about the
University. I didn't see constant complaining when he got demoted. I do think it is ironic Doug Robinson uses Riley Nelson as his example.....a
guy who himself transferred to find a better situation. BYU fans didn't seem to
mind that Max Hall didn't "tough it out" at Arizona state when he
didn't win their starting job.
So Did Riley "tuck tail and run" by transferring from USU? Now you
praise him for being a warrior when he did the exact same thing Jake is now
doing? Reality is that sometimes the program doesn't fit the player and it is in
everyone's best interest for the kid to move on... You're obviously just trying
to get readers here...
Wish Heaps the best but I have to agree with this article. I
watched one of the best QB's back up McMahon and never play. Royce Bybee. He
was not only a great QB but a good man too. Can't say the same of McMahon who
was a loose cannon. A good QB but not the best example. Royce would have done
as well I am convinced with the program that was in place back then. I agree a year off to mature and start the next 2 would have been a good
choice. Now it is a crap shoot and he may just sit behind another depending on
where he goes. Could have a new QB come up and have a steller year at his next
stop and then what take him out for Heaps. No coach is going to do that. One
earned it the other expects it. Hope it works out for all parties
involved but like a Mr Olson a few years ago we know how that ended up.
Re: Ry Guy "He is a kid! The dude is still a teenager." I couldn't
disagree with you more, my friend. The dude is married, a full-fledged husband.
I'm so tired of reading all the "kids" statements. Now the real
question is whether he's a mature young married. The answer to that is a
resounding no. Dude is going back to his QB "coach" who's doing no
favors to Jake-- simply stroking his ego more and more.
Really Doug? Are you serious? Jake would not have played too much in
this system, that's why he's transferring. Why should he stay in a sytem he
cannot excel at? The kid hopes to go pro, not just learn life lessons. Doug, you're dreaming if you think kids play college football to build
character. they play college ball to hopefully go pro or pay for an education.
The kid can play. He showed it under Anae. He just can't play under Doman's
system. There's nothing wrong with him trying for some other school that will
help him excel.
It is laughable how Cougar fan has magically transformed. They enjoyed Jake's
press conference and told us all how he would win the heisman and lead the
Cougars to the National Championship. Now they say that he overdid things, his
press conference was embarassing and he needed to be humble, he was imature and
too full of himself.WOW.
Doug, your article is spot on!
I personally don't care that he has left but Robinson made some good points. For
one what makes Heaps think he will have a better opportunity elsewhere? He has
to sit out a year whever it is he transfers to, so long as it is D1, so he won't
be playing any sooner than if he stayed at BYU. That reason wouldn't make any
sense. I think this must have much more to do with the rumors we
have heard about him simply not being liked by a portion of the other players. I
don't know him so I can't say what sort of person he is and everything I have
ever seen of him would indicate he is a good, respectful, kid. But if the team
itself simply won't get behind him then he probably realized he would never have
the success he needs to get to the NFL.It's too bad. I never like to
see people fail but this may be the best for him of course it is his decision. I
wish him luck.In the meantime BYU is loaded at qb with more coming
including the #2 ranked HS qb this year. Looking good.
Doug you're wrong. Ry Guy you're right. And Doug you got what you wanted - a
story that will bring plenty of attention and comments. Good job.
Duckhunter they are not loaded with QBs. Even if they were it would not matter.
BD can't coach QBs and the offense. Not anymore than BM can coach defense and
This article, and all of the others like it, have failed to report on the real
story. Playing time is a quick and easy excuse and makes for lazy reporting.
It is easy to say Heaps left because he lost his starting job, and yes, you
would have to agree that if he was still the starter he would not be
transferring, but this obscures the point. There has to be more to the story
than just playing time. Look what has happened with BYU coaches this year. BYU
has three new offensive coaches this year and Heaps bore the brunt of their
learning curve, which seems to still be going. I mean, quick case in point, is
that it took Doman 3-games to figure out that he should be up in the box to be
able to call plays. Heaps started those 3-games and had to deal with that. I'm not making up another excuse, but just saying that there are two
sides to every divorce and none of the articles that I've seen have looked at
the other side.
Well said Doug. Finally an opinion piece on this topic I agree with. I've
thought about McMahon/ Wilson situation throughout this whole soap opera. Heaps
would have had the job his junior and senior years. System, shmystem. Wilson,
McMahon and Young were all very style qbs but they all fit into the
"system." Heaps just needs to mature.
Dumb article. Comparing apples to oranges. Heaps was one of the top freshman in
the country coming out of high school and Nelson ... well I'm still trying to
figure out how he earned a scholarship at a divsion one school. Of course any
top talent isn't going to waste away behind some Tim Tebow look-a-like in Riley
Nelson and all because his offensive coordinator doesn't run a traditional
pro-style passing attack. There is no secret that Doman hasn't spoken to Heaps
for months so why would Jake want to red shirt a year at BYU knowing full well
he can't get along with the offensive coordinator. Heaps got along GREAT with
Brad Anae. Heaps is making the right move and if he were my son I would tell him
to move on ASAP!!! In two years we will most likely see Jake starting for a
team in a BCS conference and setting all sorts of passing records. BYU will be a
long forgotten memory.
I agree with Ted H. (might be a first).There is more to this than
playing time. Even though Doman brought in a new system, Heaps knows the
offense, the nomenclature, the BYU way of doing things such as practice,
preparation, team rules, etc. What's more he knows the coaches, players, the
campus, the area. To boot, he is in a good environment, getting a good
education with a new wife.Why, then, would he leave this situation,
knowing that he will have to sit out a year and re-learn all of these things
with unceratinty as to whether the situation will be any better UNLESS there is
something more to his transfer than playing time?And confirming this
theory, I have a source inside the team that speculates that there is more to it
than playing time. The source said that when Bronco told the team about the
transfer he spent very little time on the topic and very few people on the team
seemed to care. Hmmmm......That being said, I do believe Heaps will
be successful in the right situation.
Best of luck to you Jake, wherever you go. Sometimes things just don't turn out
like they should, or could in one place, but you achieve success somewhere else.
You have a lot of talent and ability, and I wish you the best.
@ patriotWho's Brad Anae? Do you mean Robert Anae? In two years we will
have heard the last of Jake Heaps and his aspirations for the NFL. It was not
Doman that caused Heaps to throw interception after interception. Face it, he
has a great arm and was a fantastic high school quarterback but lacks the
intangibles to be a great Div. I QB. His record speaks for itself. He plays
well against patsies and chokes under pressure. I wish the kid luck but the
reality is this article is spot on.
Thanks, Doug. I wish Jake had the perspective to work through this--I believe it
ultimately would have been to his advantage.
After the Ben Olson debacle (where BYU fans were proclaiming that he would win a
Heisman and lead them to a National Championship), I thought for sure BYU fans
would learn their lesson and give it a rest. Then along comes Jake Heaps and
the rhetoric starts up again, maybe even heavier this time.Now that
the Jake Heaps experiment has ended, I hope BYU fans will finally learn their
lesson and cool it with the proclamations of greatness.Will it
happen? We can hope so, but somehow I doubt it. In February we'll be hearing
about Heismans and National Championships for whoever the next QB coming into
the program is.
Just remember...Nelson has beaten nobody. Zilch. Never been a Nelson fan, and
I want to know if anyone in Nelson's family apologized to Heap's wife. Cause
they should have!
I spent the time and money for two of us to attend the Texas game and I have to
say that for some reason Jake Heaps had a tough time hitting receivers. BYU
should have won the game easily and they should have smashed Ole Miss. I have
observed that Heaps took all day to snap the ball and Nelson was gung-ho and got
the play off immediately. When Jake did well this year is when they used a
hurrry-up offense. There were admitidly some balls dropped by receivers, but
there were numerous plays where receivers were wide open and Heaps over-threw
them on the long ball, through a bullet with no touch on a short ball, or just
plain missed the receiver. I'm convinced he lost his accuracy along with the
support of his teammates. While Doman wasn't the sharpest new OC, Heaps still
had plenty of chances to showcase his skills. Too many turnovers, too few long
completions, too many false starts from taking way too long to snap the ball,
etc.That said, I wish Jake and his bride all the best. And if
people really taunted her during a game, shame on them!!
Robinson, you're still writing? I could throw up alphabet soup onto a piece of
paper and read more interesting literature.
CWEB,Heaps never beat anyone either. The only win he has on file
against a winning team is against SDSU and that win comes with an asterisk.
"#1 BYU's offense is not suited to Jake's abilities"Ummm... that would be because the offense that WAS tailor made to suit Jake's
abilities bombed with him running it. No question that Doman and the new
offensive staff had a learning curve but Jake's stats worsened with every game.
If he had shown steady improvement he would never have lost the job.
Sorry Doug, but this is not one of your better efforts. This article sounds like
it was written from someone who was just jilted, not a journalist.You call Jake Heap's press conference "audacious" but you fail to
mention that Ross Apo and Zac Stout, both still playing for BYU, joined him. Do
you also level the same criticism at them? You also fail to mention that it was
Jake Heaps' parents who arranged it, and have always said they did it to help
recruiting for BYU. The purpose was to encourage other players like Ross and Zac
to join the team. Give them a call.You suggest the most lofty of
motives for Riley Nelson leaving Utah State. Didn't he abandon his teammates at
USU for a better situation for himself? How is that noble? Sounds selfish to
me.I always find the comparisons to Jim McMahon ironic. Yes he
red-shirted when he was Jake's age. He was also Jake's age when he said the
greatest thing he ever saw was "Provo in the rear view mirror." Are
you sure you want to use the twenty-year old McMahon as a model of maturity?
With an image as a prima donna and a bit of a wuss, Heaps never earned the full
respect of his teammates (the men), and lost what little he had with things like
letting the Ole Miss defender take the ball Heaps threw to him to the endzone
without a chase. I think he finally realized that he wouldn't be likely to get
it back.>I want to know if anyone in Nelson's family apologized
to Heap's wife.Why apologize for something that never actually
Patriot, did Riley beat your kid in a high school football game? You maybe
related to Jake? Invested in his future?I don't know, but you seem
a little too shrill about Riley and too willing to turn a blind eye to Jake's
actual performance on the field.Now I'll admit that this year's Jake
and the Jake from the end of last year are not even close to the same player.Ah, well, we may never really know...
Brave Sir Robin What Ben Olsen debacle?Ben Olsen never
played a single down at BYU.Heaps, on the other hand, was given the
starting job on a silver platter, but failed to produce.It's
laughable that an avowed BYU hater would be giving advice to BYU fans about
proclamations of greatness, when that's exactly what Utah fans have been
spouting ever since Utah was invited to the PAC 12; wasn't Utah supposed to be
playing in the Rose Bowl every year?Now, we have Utah fans spouting
off about what a great QB Chase Hansen is going to be, after 18 months of
bragging about how much better "access" Utah would have to the BCS
championship game.The only reason Utah fans aren't talking about
Heismans and NCs for Hansen is because Hansen isn't nearly as highly regarded as
Jake Heaps or Tanner Mangum.
Brave Sir Robin Kinda like hearing how Utah was going to cake-walk
into the Rose Bowl?Sad thing is, after playing so pathetic, they
were in a position to possibly do just that. Enter Colorado.Me
thinks you doth protest too much.
Wow, Doug. Did you and the Rock Monster collaborate this week? Just another
hack job tearing apart a kid for no good reason. I hope nothing but the best for
Heaps and his family, and its journalists and fans like you that treat players
like this that will drive recruits away. I hope you're proud of yourself.
You make some decent points, but you forgot to mention that McMahon was playing
for some of the greatest coaches in college football--Edwards and Chow, while
Heaps was playing for...well, lesser lights.
Y Grad / Y DadPatriot can't make up his mind what he thinks about
Heaps, because, to him, Heaps is nothing but a foil to be used to besmirch
BYU.Jake was an arrogant, self-entitled, big-mouth, when he chose
BYU.The kid couldn't walk and chew gum at the same time when he was
BYU's starter.He was the greatest thing since sliced bread when
there was talk of him transferring to Utah.Now that he's
transferring to some other school, he's a great talent that was simply
mishandled by BYU.
There are a lot of conclusions here based on assumption, speculation and bias.
Here is my assumption and conclusion: Jake thought through the many
considerations and issues presented in Doug's column and the comments here--and
probably others absent here--and made a decision that he thought best. My job is
to thank Jake for his contributions to BYU and wish him all the best for the
future. God speed.
CWEBAnd why would Riley and his family apologize to Heaps or his wife?
They weren't at the game. Should Riley apologize for playing with more heart? I
have always been a Riley Fan from his High school days. He makes everyone on the
team bette, He never quits if his team loses you know that he gave it
everything.Riley hasn't done anything except everything they have asked of
himHe was even on the kickoff squads cause he wanted to help the team
anyway he could.Now you go apologize to Heaps wife if you think she should
be apologized to I think it was a great move to replace Heaps in the game and
from the reaction of the crowd so did 90% of the crowd. Good luck to Jake in the
future but this wasn't his year and it was his own fault. BYU Football was fun
to watch again with Riley in the game. It wasn't before that.
GREAT ARTICLE!anyone who argues otherwise needs to open their eyes. Jake
needs to understand that a starting qb job is won. Sometimes the greatest talent
needs to mature before seeing the field (steve young, aaron rogers)doug was exactly right by saying heaps and nelson's situations are different.
nelson went from a freshman STARTING at a smaller program to FIGHTING for the
starting job at a bigger one. If heaps was doing the same thing, he would be
transferring from the starting job at BYU to fighting for the starting job at
somewhere like LSU, Oklahoma, USC ect.I dont understand Heaps
reasoning behind the decision, he MAY find a college program that will guarantee
him the starting job, but we all know his goal since the beginning has been to
play in the NFL. He wont find ONE team who will guarantee him a spot on the
roster let alone the starting job. He will most likely regret this decision
Jake's dad likely has a lot to do with his decision to leave BYU. Remember
Bronco talking about players and parents feeling entitled?Jake
should have stayed at BYU as a redshirt next year, but if he still never figured
out how to bring it on the field by then, BYU would be the worse off. As it is,
BYU can move forward now with the incoming and current QB talent and not need to
worry about whether Jake might finally pan out.Of all the
comparisons between Jake and other BYU QBs, I think the best is with McMahon,
who was crappy in practice and all-world in games, just the opposite of Jake.
Finally, an article is written that tells the truth of the situation!! After
thinking about this for 24 hours, I too, am convinced that this is nothing more
than a tantrum from a 20 year old spoiled young man who believed that he
deserved to be the starting quarterback for BYU, period!! And now that he has
been told that someone else has EARNED the starting job, well, he's having his
little fit and he's taking his toys and going somewhere else! Sadly, he will
have learned nothing from this experience that would serve him well in life
either in football or in any other walk of life. You know, character building
traits like perserverance, dedictation, commmitment, and sacrifice.Jake Heaps, nice knowin' ya!! Come back when you've grown up a little.
This is the best article I have read on the whole Heaps situation. As a season
ticket holder, I want the quarterback who can win to be on the field. I know
that Nelson isn't nearly the quarterback in the practice facility that Jake is.
I think that the difference comes when the green jersey is taken off. I will
trust that Jake knew more about the situation than I do and leave it at that.
Joe Flacco ran away from a job he lost, went to a D1AA school, and now starts in
the NFL. Sometimes it's just about the coaching staff.
I recall after the Texas loss reading Jake's quotes in the paper and being
infuriated. Myself, and others in the fanbase, posted that they were so fed up
with Jake's constant talk, but his exasperating lack of execution. I
strongly differ that "BYU's offensive scheme" is the reason Jake was
not successful. Doman knew perfectly Jake's strengths. He was his QB coach his
freshman year. Jake had plays called that were there for the taking. Too many
times, especially on third down, he couldn't produce. The OC can't make the read
or throw for him on the field. Seems Doman is smart enough to now tailor plays
to Riley's strengths.Early on this year, it didn't help that the
running game couldn't get untracked, but the receivers were much better than the
previous year. I believe fans and coaches desperately wanted and waited for Jake
to be "the man." You can only wait on unrealized potential so long.
The mishandling of Jake wasn't benching him, it was giving him the reigns too
early and too often. Maybe they feared if he wasn't "the
man" from the beginning he might have left. Ironic, ain't it!
It's a shame Heaps couldn't just hang on in there. I was never impressed by his
play this year. Not inspiring at all and I don't think the offensive team were
inspired by him either. But when Riley stepped in, they seemed like a completely
different team. Heaps seems to lack some key intangibles possessed by superior
QBs. Hard luck Jake and I wish you all the best wherever you end up. Just make
sure you get a degree in something worthwhile because I will be very surprised
to see you make it to the NFL draft.
The issue is that Jake Heaps thought he would be an instant star. This happens
to kids in high school, but when they move up to the college level there a lot
of high school stars, and some may be better that you! BYU may have promised
him the starting job, but at the Div 1 level you have to earn it. A great high
school record and resume doesn't mean a thing when you then have to play with
the big boys, and Heaps record shows he couldn't do it. Maybe in another year
or two, for him let's hope so. For Mendenhall let's hope he has learned a
Finally a voice of reason from the press, common sense and on target with the
truth. Jake with his entitled, child like perception of the adult real world
will continue to be his stumbling block. To bad that his inner
circle of influence has lead him to this dead end.
Best question ever with the Heaps transfer goes to Doug Robinson!"Do you think he would be transferring if he still held the starting
job?" That question cuts to the meat of this whole story and shines a
light on the "entitlement" problem in college sports. Oh, the anwer
is, no!Nice work Robinson.
In the real world, including my job and probably yours too, if I can't perform
or for whatever reason I don't perform, they get someone else who can! I wish
Jake all the best but this is a man's world with harsh realities!
Ouch! Hey Jake, don't let the door hit you on the way out...But seriously,
Jake's departure is just the latest in a string of famous BYU recruits, who
didn't fit in with the BYU culture and system. Just one more sign that BYU will
probably never be able to recruit the calibre of athletes needed to propel the Y
to the top. LaVell, we never knew how good we had it with you!
Good Call!!! Sadly when you are immature, and have always been treated like a
star it's hard to face adversity from this Generation. He has the
"Everybody Get's A Trophy" mentality, and when it got tough he decides
to transfer. Transfer to where? You have to sit a year anyway, and then you have
to EARN the starting job. Here he would have sat a year, learned, and come back
the following Season Heir Apparent with MATURITY and experience under his belt.
Jake Heaps will be a footnote anywhere he plays because of this attitude, and it
is VERY SAD, mostly for him in the long run, I feel for him, he needs to eat
some HUMBLE PIE, and stay at BYU and do the right thing by the school, for
himself, and for his FUTURE! This is going to be a bad choice for his Future,
which if they include the NFL will be JUST THAT, "N.F.L."= NOT FOR
LONG! He is really making a mistake, and he is showing his LACK of LEADERSHIP
skills, something every Quarterback DOES NEED some of! This shows he has ZERO,
ZIP, Notta! Big Mistake!
If Coach Mendenhall didn't like a recruit that was heavily hyped, he could have
told Heaps "No thanks, pick a different program".
Finally, an intelligent article about the Jake Heaps situation. I wish Jake the
best, but believe he would have been better served by sticking it out. He now
has to look for a team that will need a QB in 2013 .... isn't that BYU?
Jake isn't just transferring because he lost the starting job, he is
transferring because he lost the trust of his teamates. Bronco has created a
culture of hard work, playing for the team and earning ones playing time.
Unfortunately Heaps did not give it is all, played for self (goal is NFL, not
National Championship)and really never earned his time. This created a rift
between the older more mature players and Heaps. It is hard for teammates to
give you 110% when they don't think you yourself are fully committed. Heaps
leaving proves he was not fully committed. I wish him and his wife well though.
@Rye GuyJake stopped being a teenager on June 19, 2011 when he turned 20.
I find it interesting that the comments now are that Jake just needs time to
mature. However, the two things frequently mentioned when he began at the Y were
his ability to lead the team and his maturity for a freshman. I
would guess that he did seem more mature than most of the incoming freshman,
afterall he was 19, the same age as many redshirt freshmen when they begin
playing. Unless schools in WA are very different than most of the nation, a
young man with a June 1991 birthday would have graduated in 2009, not 2010. I am only assuming that his parents decided that starting school a year
later and being one of the oldest in his class would have not only academic
advantages, but physical (athletic) ones as well.
Patriot. . . your post is a joke, State you opinion but to say that you are
amazed that Riley got a D1 scholarship. He was a parade all american with
NATIONAL records... and as far as anyone wants to rave about heaps being the
number one recruit in the nation... all that means is that his parents paid
money to send him to camps and he looked good in the 7 on 7's he hasn't done
anything at BYU. If I remember everyone talked about how the offense was
tailored to Jake. Where ever he goes I hope they have the magical solution of
recruiting an O-Line that will give him 15 seconds to throw the ball. Heaps is
the best 7 on 7 player in the nation but as far as QB goes Im so sick of hearing
about how bad Riley Nelson is when all he does is win and make BYU a multi
dimensional offense. Heaps was 3A Riley was 3A and Utah is a better footbal
state than washington...
Cam Newton switched schools and look where that got him.Heaps broke
Detmer's freshman touchdown record and was MVP of the bowl game as a
freshman.In the end, the Cougars wound up this year with nine wins
and a bowl game after a major coaching staff overhaul, QB problems, and an
average at best rushing game. That's pretty decent under the circumstances.
Doug, finally some sanity with your article. Thank you. I've listened to
sports talk show hosts today until I'm sick to my stomach prattling on and
faulting the BYU coaches for not properly handling Heaps like a college football
program supposedly should handle the "number 1 recruit in the
country." Puke; give me a break. No freshman BYU QB in school history
started more games Heaps did. BYU stuck with Heaps as the starter all this year
until he performed so poorly in the Utah State game by all accounts, that he had
to be replaced. Nelson rescued that game, period, exclamation point. The
prattling talk show hosts today insinuated that BYU's coaches should have
ignored Nelson's achievement and give the starting job back to Heaps the next
week, "because, well, you see, Heaps was a blue chip number 1 recruit, and
you have to treat them special, yadda, yadda, yadda. Again, puke; it makes me
ill; such prima-donna pandering talk. In truth, these prattling talk show hosts
were all too eagar to exploit the situation to look for an angle to once again
dump on BYU. Thanks again Doug for restoring sanity to the situation.
all i saw from jake was overthrow, underthrow, no touch, deer in headlights
looking qb. no field leadership. i've played with baseball pitchers who throw
100 mph but can't throw a strike, they don't make the bigs. he was not
inspiring, riley is. remember tim tebow was never going to make it in the pros
he is 6-0. good luck jake.
Poor premise Doug, but good try. Riley QUIT Utah State. no question about it.
your argument therfore does not hold water. He bailed too. Let's talk about Troy
Aikmen. He bailed on Oklahoma for UCLA. worked out nicely for him. Had Bronco
ever truly named Heaps the starter instead of just saying he will be starting
this game or that game then perhaps the team would have rallied around THEIR QB.
instead the team was left to pick who they wanted. of course they would pick the
RM older QB who's "earned his stripes by going on a mission" because
he's "one of them" under the current RM culture that has been created
at BYU football. you can blame this mess on BYU being BYU. independence is a
joke. nothing to play for except an undefeated season cannot fuel a program.
Heaps saw the lack of BCS access as a drawback for sure. We can see that Heaps
is not being considered for WAC, MWC or C-USA teams. he's being considered by
PAC-12 and even SEC teams (per media writings). Hopefully Heaps will get a real
head coach, a real QB coach and be blessed.
BYUHOCKEYRiley didn't quit on anything. He simply took advantage of
a better opportunity. If Jake had half as much competitive fire as Riley, he
would have finished his career as one of the all-time great BYU QBs, right up
there with McMahon, Young and Detmer.If Jake plays at his next
school with the same lack of fire and competitiveness that he showed at BYU,
he'll wind up his career just like he finished at BYU, watching from the
sidelines, while another, probably less talented, QB, is out on the field
getting the job done.
I wonder what the coaches are suppose to do? It seems to me that two coaches
totally mishandled things. Clearly, BYU prefers walk-ons to talented
potential. Jake could see that under Bronco he would never start. I can
imagine Bronco enjoyed pushing the kid aside and would have kept it up for the
remainder of his time at BYU... afterall, Bronco has been a walk-on all his
life. The problem with recruiting stars is that they have to be managed like
stars... walk-ons are just greatful to be there and will put up with anything
just to stay on the team. Were I a 4 star recruit I would think long and hard
before coming to BYU. This hurts as I have been a fan for over 45 years. I
have held season tickets for over 25 years. No more...if the coaches don't want
to win...why attend the games.
Well, what did you expect? First we have Vai Sikahema, David Loche, Brad Rock,
Gordon Monson, etc, etc, ALL telling Heaps that he was tainted and his only real
option was to transfer. There was not one Utah sportswriter that suggested that
Heaps stick it out and redshirt. Now that Heaps is doing exacting what you all
told him to do, you question his character. Sadly, this is what we have come to
expect from Utah Sportwriters.
It's been unfortunate all the way around. I've heard a lot of people saying that
the BYU coaches blew how they handled this. Some feel like Heaps didn't get a
fair shake and some felt like he never should have started so young. I agree
that he never should have started so young, but many of you and the media would
have been in a lather if this top rated kid wasn't started over Riley Nielson,
especially if Riley didn't produce last year. Unfortunately, Heaps didn't have
anyone to watch as a mentor. He would have been well served if he had someone
like Max Hall to observe for a year or two before starting. I don't think ANYONE
should start as a freshman at the QB position. Of course all of this is
hindsight. I'm sure BYU coaches wish there could have had him hold the clipboard
for a yr. or two as well. They were in a tough position. There are a lot of
great backup QB's at BYU who do a great job, but never get the starting nod.
Tough position to play at BYU. GO COUGS!
Even with jake leaving he has done alot for BYU and i need to thank him for
that. He brought Ross Apo and some other players, he stepped up last year when
riley went down, but most of all he raised the bar for Riley. if you look at how
much Riley has improved over the last 2 years it is incredible and i think it is
because he had a great talent to compete against so even though he wont be
playing next year he still created the quarterback who will be winning games for
@Jasper "Heaps was 3A Riley was 3A..."Actually
Skyline High (Heaps) was 4A his junior and senior year.
Great article, Robinson is the Desnews best writer. Heaps had more
opportunities than any QB in BYU's history. He started half the first game his
first season and played in most of the games as a player. No other QB in modern
BYU history has done that. If his main quality is a strong arm and he can't hit
open receivers then how good is he? BYU's offense is much better under Nelson.
Robinson hit the nail on the head, he could have redshirted next year and had
the job as his own for one or two years. Now it will be up in the air.
And what is wrong with that idea? I came to BYU 1979, I witness Mark Wilson (sr
year), Jimmy Mac (jr/sr), Steve Young (jr/sr) and Bosco (jr/Sr). Why can't you
with your future (jr/sr) with BYU? Good luck which you will need it elsewhere.
Jake's advisors may include some who are themselves looking for instant rewards
as the hang on to his coat-tails...too bad he couldn't listen to someone like
Lavel Edwards, Young, McMahon, Giff Nielsen, et. al.
BYUHOCKEYReally? Riley thought HE would never start again at USU,
so he transferred to BYU? I have my doubts...I think he'll find a
DII school that is competitive for the playoffs and be a big fish in a smaller
pond. Montana or Eastern Washington come to mind.
I think this article is garage out and obviously nothing in. What happened to
the great offense from last year that was all back....was it true as reporting
in the DN that the Nelson clan harrassed Mrs. Heaps...what happened to the dress
code that Nelson was obviously allowed to ignore. Tell me who lost the TCU
game.There is nothing wrong with Heaps leaving...I for one am sorry
to him go....he brought excitement back to BYU football...while he was still in
high school... that I have not seen in a while.I knew writers were
fickle, but I had no idea so many BYU fans were.
The problem isn't just Heaps, also a contributing factor is Bronco's inability
to make the correct decision at the time a decision is required. -Anointing
Heaps the QB while he's still in high school -Naming dual starting QB's last
year -Firing Anae -Making all coaches reapply for their jobs -Promoting Doman to
OC .... what a joke!Make a decision when a decision needs to be made
and not until. Try sounding less like a Sunday School Teacher and more like a
major college football coach Bronco, and please .... a little less of your
philosophy Bronco.To the Cougars credit, I think they've prospered
in spite of their head coach. I don't see how the guy could motivate anybody to
do anything and gimmicks really only work for the short term.
You're spot on with this one Doug! Jake has shown his immaturity with this
decision. But I don't feel sorry for him or for BYU. He'll earn the
consequences for this himself whether they are good or bad. And the cougars
have plenty of talent coming in to replace him.. so much so that he won't even
be missed.I really think he was afraid that he couldn't beat out the
fresh talent coming up behind him and wants to be at a school without a history
of great quarterbacks. Good luck to him.Go Cougars!
Great article, probably sums it up best. Oh and BTW, did anyone catch the press
conference of the Wildcats hiring John L Smith yesterday. He said he was there
to win a national championship. We will talk of winning a national championship
and we will tell the nation of our intentions to win a national championship. We
will also emphasize to our recruits that is our desire. Shame on coach Smith. To
actually set so lofty goals. I guess it's only after you've set so lofty of a
goal and then let's say ..acheived it, that it would seem normal to do that
again. But then again....I guess if you've never won a national championship, or
don't set such high expectations, it's just easier to mock those that do. That
way we can feel good about ourselves. Man....I love my BCS membership.
@Troy06They aren't loaded at qb? They currently have on the roster 3
top 25 HS qb recruits not counting Heaps. They have a top 30 coming in next
season in Taysom Hill and the #2 HS qb recruit in the nation has committed in
Tanner Mangum. Yes they are loaded at that spot with many options to find the
guy they want as a starter for several years.I'm not sure what your
definition of "loaded" would be but when you currently have 5 top 30
hs qb's either on the roster or committed to come I'm not sure how a team could
really have much more to choose from.
The article seems to portray the feelings of a lot fans. It resonates with
me.As I look back on this small snippet of time with Jake as the
leader I'm quickly reminded of one thing, his lack of leadership and
communications skills. Each week we would see his immaturity exposed
in the way he would communicate with the public and his team. It kind of reminds
me of when the President and Vice President speak.I absolutely
cringe whenever any of these two speak and I would often react the same way with
the manner that Jake would take his responsibilities and say something in the
media. Imagine a team doing the same thing to you and then you
finally wake up and realize that your team doesn't really want to work with
you.It would be great if Jake could work through these things and
humble himself and stay. But not being the bigger man it's much easier to go
where the grass is greener and hope that things will work out.An ego
is a hard thing to control.Of course again I could be way off but my
gut feelings say...Good luck Jake.
THANK YOU Doug Robinson! Finally, somebody gets it! Jake is a spioled little
kid and until he humbles himself a little and comes to realize that life isn't
handed to you on a silver platter, he will be disappointed. I really do wish
Jake luck! I think he would have been a great BYU QB in his Jr and Sr seasons.
I think he made the wrong decission! But, I wish him the best.
From my perspective, Doug got right. I have been concerned for Heaps
since he was benched, not so much because he played himself off the field, but
because he has never admitted that he did. He has never voiced any regrets, that
I have read, that he didn't connect with his receivers better, on or off the
field. He has never said he has learned from Riley. He has never refereed to
his time on the bench as a time in which he has learned much of anything. He
just doesn't seem all that concerned or interested in the rest of his team, and
that has really bothered me. I hope the transfer lands him on his feet, but some
lessons in life can only be learned the hard way.As for the program,
it was designed for Heaps. They have had to adapt it for Nelson.As
for love for the kid, BYU coaches went over the top to shower him with love, too
much so. He should never have started.
Part 1For those who insist on comparing this to Riley's departure
from USU, there is no comparison!Riley was on academic scholarship
at USU, not football, and only proceeded with football upon request from coaches
after the #1 QB was no longer eligible to play. Stark contrast with the red
carpet, all star grand entrance Mr. Heaps experienced, not to mention his
constant struggle with academic eligibility. So, Riley was asked to save a ship
at USU vs. Heaps et al declaring he WAS one, regardless where he went. Without
the exact words (but not by much) but with very similar fanfare, Heaps rode into
Provo on a big, fat, white horse with "his talents".Before
Anderson went to USU their program was a mess. At the very least there was no
viable line, in comparison to the quality which BYU consistently recruits and
nurtures, to protect a QB. The easy question is, which line would you rather
have in front of you?
An article yesterday said that South Carolina may be interested in Jake.Being from Utah, I follow both BYU and South Carolina. I know that if Jake
does come to South Carolina he will definitely have to earn the starting
spot.Those who follow college football know that SC signed the #1
national HS recruit last year in Jadaveon Clowney. Clowney was not the starter
this year. Instead, he played behind Melvin Ingram. He could have transferred
and said that he was the #1 recruit and should be starting somewhere. He has
learned from Ingrim and will definitely be the starting D-End next year. The
Head Ball Coach will make Jake earn the spot and not just give it to him. I
suspect that anywhere Jake goes he will have to earn the spot.
Part 2Riley has just wanted to play football. He has no desire to be
the star, king, savior of anything, just play football. Would Heaps have, could
Heaps have accepted or even received for that matter an invitation to play on
defense? Be a member of the punt coverage team? Riley was and will ever be
grateful for his scholarship, contribute to the football team with all his will
and effort then move on to a successful career as a surgeon, with out the
slightest self promotional gesture whatsoever!There is no comparison. I
hope Jake Heaps learns that he is not the team, anywhere, for his own sake and
the sake of the school where he lands. I suspect, however, that anywhere he
could go may offer a tough row to hoe for many reasons including having the
history lesson from this two year fiasco to learn from.
Heaps is borrowing an entire chapter from Nelson - he's transferring just like
Nelson did when he didn't like his situation. Why do you people have such hard
time seeing that?
Spot on Doug. Heaps has to sit a year regardless. The Jim McMahon reference
could have been repeated and Riley could have been a teacher to Jake about doing
what it takes to win.
Byuhockey,Actually this is to all who make statements like "if
Bronco would have named Heaps the starter". What? He was named
the starter before the season began. If anything, it was the worst thing that
could have been done. What little fight he is capable of left him at that
announcement. This departure timing was Heaps plan all along. He
declared to teammates when he arrived then again as he was named the starter
this fall that he would only do 2 seasons here before entering the draft. Plan changed. Timing didn't.
EdGrady,Half correct; Riley did leave for a better situation.Half...huge assumption; Jake's situation may be better, may be much
worse.Byuhockey,Really? The RM card? Do you have any
reasonable clue how many RM's sit game in and game out on that sideline without
a scholarship, let alone a starting gig? No, you obviously don't. In fact, there
are a number of them getting playing time into their junior and senior seasons
without starting and without a penny of their schooling having been paid for by
the Y. Nope. Riley is starting and staying for one simple reason. He
has done a better job AT the job.
As a poster on another board said, he'd rather go into battle with the crazy man
than the one with the shiny sword. Pretty much sums up BYU's two QBs, doesn't
Heaps is leaving because he doesn't want to play for Doman. Raise your hand if
you left a job becaue you didn't like your boss and felt that your boss was
holding you back. Thanks - you can lower your hands now.
Oh what a wonderful environment it must have been for Jake Heaps in Happy Valley
with teammates handing the contents of his locker to the coaches, Nelson's
family taunting his wife at the game, and his own coaches ignoring him! So
thatâs what you call a band of brothers? Well Riley. You're
the man now. Let's see how you handle the pressure. You failed against TCU but
then again that game didn't matter since your season was over by that point
anyway. You will be expected to come out next year and run the table. Good luck.
You'll need it...just like you needed it to beat Utah State.
Hey Doug - you make any life changing decisions at the age of 20? Were you
mature beyond your years and beyond reproach? Did you take the tough way to
build character with every turn? You just took things as a 17-18-19-20 year old
with poise and a distinguished outlook? Give the kid a break. He thought he
chose a place that would help him utilize his talent. It ended up that the
situation didn't work for any of the parties. His teammates hate him. His
Offensive Coordinator won't speak to him. His head coach is a bit of a head case
and clearly has a man crush on the other QB. The offense has been adapted to
match the OC's desires which don't match his skill set. What part of that would
make you want to stay if you were in his shoes Mr. Robinson? This article seems
more like pot shots from the cheap seats and an opportunity to just get clicks
and comments. Bronco ought to go Oklahoma State on you -- "I'm a man -- I'm
40 -- come after me! I'm a man!" Cheap shots from a guy that has made a
career of it.
The Riley that failed against TCU wasn't Riley Nelson. It was Riley Stephenson.
And let's not forget to give a "worst supporting actor" award to his
deep snapper. Riley Nelson played with his usual fire. Though he
made a couple of mistakes, anybody that watched that game knows he made many
great plays and was not the primary reason the team lost.
D'Anconia: I didn't read about his teammates handing the contents of his locker
to the coaches (did I miss something?) I have read from several different
sources that Nelson's family wasn't even at the USU/BYU game, and just
speculating here (would like to get BD's side) but perhaps the coaches were
ignoring him because of his intentions to transfer. He apparently commented that
he wasn't going to play in the bowl game. That kind of info. would get back to
the coaches pretty quickly.UU32: I think the man crush you speak
about is the fact that Riley is willing to put forth the effort to do his part
for the team, even if that meant playing on special teams, playing with internal
injuries, playing with conviction, etc. etc. Also, the offense was
built around Heaps. Doman was the coach who recruited Heaps. Sounds like just
more sour grapes from a UTroll. What's with the "come after me!" I'm a
man!" line? wow!
Heaps lacked heart. It is that simple. His passion for himself was greater than
his passion for football. As Doug points out, he has been coddled for years by
his parents, qb coaches and a host of other enablers. I think the BYU coaches
gave him every chance to succeed and he did not perform on the field. I think he
would have benefitted from a redshirt year at BYU and would have had a great
career here. I still think he will get to start, probably in the pac, and may
even get a shot with an NFL team. As fans, we should be very grateful for the
recruiting he did for BYU. Stout, Apo and several others might not be here but
for Heaps. Tayson Hill, who is bigger(6-3, 215), faster(4.5 - 40) and has
a better arm than Nelson(coming out of HS) will be on campus for Spring ball. He
should be the next starter. After him is Mangum. If he does not work out, Kuresa
is a Nelson like playmaker who is really turning heads as the Scout team qb. I think Nelson will have a very good season next year.
RE: WaybackCougarMaybe I was watching a different BYU-TCU game than you,
but from where I was sitting in Cowboys Stadium, I saw Riley Nelson throw two
picks and a ridiculous backwards pass for a fumble late in the game that killed
us. High-fiving the ref was cool, but heaving the ball into the air for
turnovers wasn't so cool.
Seems to me that the Cougars fortunes changed not only with the change in QB,
but also a change in the quality of their opponents. I prefer Nelson as QB over
Heaps, but Idaho State, Idaho, and New Mexico State are not Utah State, Utah,
let alone Texas -- correlation (QB change) does not equal causation (softer
sched). At least not entirely. Heaps is only 20, for heaven's sake.
Cut him some slack. Hope he's successful wherever he goes.Awful
So, Ed, you're saying you missed seeing those special teams miscues? I'm not
saying Riley was perfect. But he was clearly not the primary reason we lost the
game. And are you telling me Heaps would have played better? Yes,
the backwards pass was ridiculous, but based on his track record Heaps would
have thrown at least two interceptions and would not have moved the ball.
Interesting points. I would love to know what the locker room dynamics were as
well as Heaps relationship with coaches. Maybe BYU is set to go with a mobile
qb moving forward? I wish Jake the best unless he plays BYU and will be curious
to see if a transfer works out for him. My guess in the end is parents/mentors
who are too involved with Jake and that he has been coddled for too long. Not
fair for me to judge, I don't know him or his family but that is my guess.
Again, hope he makes it somewhere and I hope Nelson can stay healthy and that
Hill is the real deal.
Bronco allegedly sat in the Heaps living room and promised Jake, Mom and Dad
that if Jake came to BYU, he would be the starting quarterback. The
media immediately anointed Heaps as the second coming of Young and Jimbo.Lesson to Bronco: Don't using promising a kid that he will be a starter
as a recruiting tool if you don't intend to keep your promise. (And don't remain
conspicuously silent while Doman takes the heat for your alleged broken
promise.)Lesson to the media: Don't overhype a high school prospect
before he takes his first snap, even if he is foolish enough to call his own
EdGrady, I agree with you. Like you, I see this as Heaps not liking his
coach--Doman, and I get that. Maybe they don't click. Maybe Doman is learning
his job and has made a few mistakes himself. He did move to the booth after the
third game, so he could do his job better. Heaps bore the brunt of Doman's
learning curve as a first year coordinator. Heaps also played the best teams
with the one exception of TCU, and I though Riley was good but not great in that
game. How would Riley have done with Doman's playcalling at the first of the
year against better competitin we will never know, but it didn't hurt him to
play significantly weaker teams the rest of the season (TCU excepted). Riley is now the starter, Jakes doesn't like his positiion coach, so he
is moving on. The fans should also move on. I hope Jake does well wherever he
goes. I can't find fault with anything he's said or done. We certainly had no
problem accepting Max Hall after he quit on Arizona St. We are using Riley as
our starting quarterback after things didn't click for him with Utah State. So
we are people so upset at Jake Heaps. If he did nothing else for the
team, he made a great effort to bring as much talent with him as he could. I
liked Heaps and wish it could have worked out better. Go Cougars!
Ironman: 'allegedly' is a good word here. And if I remember correctly Jake was
the starting QB so, no promise broken if that was indeed true. Bronco also
'allegedly' made promises to the other players that if they worked their tails
off and played better than the person ahead of them, that they would be given a
chance to play as well.
But, socalcougar, don't forget that it was Heaps' performance against one of
those teams you are counting as lesser competition that got him benched. That's
a game where you _can_ compare the two fairly.
IMO, you accurately describe Heaps as running from a fight but you omitted other
reasons he would transfer besides being shown-up by Riley Nelson:* being
shown-up by Taysom Hill,* being shown-up by Tanner Mangum, and*
being shown-up by the gamers already on the roster: Lark and Munns.He was looking at a quick trip south on BYU's depth chart.
>Nelson's family taunting his wife at the gameMyth alert!
D'AnconiaJust a little too shrill to be taken seriously.
Waybackcougar, you've misunderstood my comment and mistaken me for the other
posters who think Heaps should be the starter. Heaps did play stronger
competition. And Riley has played well against weak competition (TCU excepted,
but that wasn't his best game). In the USU game Riley was great and inspiration,
but don't forget that Riley's last pass was tipped and then caught for the
touchdown. Was that a well thrown ball or just good fortune. I personally felt
lucky to win that game. I have nothing against Riley being the
starter, and by his play he deserves to remain the starter. But I
don't find fault with Jake leaving the team nor do I understand our fanbase
being so harsh and judgmental of Heaps leaving. Why the strong emotions from so
many posters? Heaps and Doman don't click, and maybe just don't like each other.
Heaps is no longer the starter, and he's moving on. Why stay for three more
years at a place where you don't like your boss? Sounds like Max Hall leaving
Arizona State to me, and we accepted him without judgement. Let's move on and
hope that Jake does well wherever he goes. Personally, I hope he ends up with
Mike Leach at Washington St. That would be fun to watch. And for
those people who are comparing Heaps to Olsen, you have a short term memory or
you are hoping that Heaps suffers several season ending injuries. Olsen's
injuries are the reason his career was unspectacular, not poor play. And it
certainly wasn't transferring that caused Olsen's career to turn out the way it
Yes, Riley and Jake both transferred to another school, but the reason for their
transfer couldn't be more different. Heaps was touted in a high school by the
recruiting system. Scouts who evaluate talent and do their best to project
success on the next level. Nelson, although an outstanding high school player,
was judged as less of fit for college by the recruiting powers-that-be. Nelson committed to a program that promised him the opportunity to play
QB. He succeeded there and a subsequent coaching change and contact from BYU
while on his mission led him to IMPROVE his situation, based on his
performance.Heaps committed to a program that could be a surprise to
some considering his status as the #1 high school recruiting talent. A big fish
in a small pond, if you will. His performance was not up to par, or at least he
was asked to improve before he would be given the reigns. This was unacceptable
to him and so he transferred. Nelson transferred as a result of his
successes, Heaps is going after being benched. There is no indication of USU
not intending to play Nelson, they would love to have him.
I don't see any benefit that Jake is gonna obtain by doing this silly transfer.
Either way he sits out a year and the following season is a crap shoot no matter
where he ends up. Well, here's hoping him the best in overcoming himself and
becoming the man he was in high school while losing the laughing stock he was in
college in Provo.
I agree 100% with the article. I'm sure that Heaps has a lot of reasons for
wanting to leave, one of which may indeed be the apathy of his team mates
towards him. He needs to realize that if he were to redshirt next year that two
classes will have graduated, and the composition of the team will have changed
dramatically. It would give him plenty of time to develop trust with current
and future team members. John Beck suffered similarly with team unity issues
when he was thrust into the starting position early in his carreer. By his last
two years however, he was the leader of the team. I wish Heaps well at his next
stop, but I'm not betting the farm on his success. He needs to talk less, and
do more to show his team that he really cares. Tackling d-backs that intercept
his passes would be a nice start.
To Dustman and others who feel the same. The reason Heaps was not
playing is because he missed receivers left and right and couldn't move the team
and score--that's it. It's not because the system is not built for him. They
run an offense like any other BYU offense in the past mostly through the air
supplementing with 100+ yards rushing per game. Sure, when Nelson took over
they have been able to take advantage of his running ability but that was not
part of the original offensive plan.As nice a guy as Heaps is, he
just doesn't have the tenacity, toughness and determination to do what it takes
to help the team win. He was afraid to take a hit and looked like he needed to
hit the weight room a lot more. I would prefer that he stay and redshirt a yr
then he could start two years at BYU. BUT...he would need to get more accurate
on his passing, get tougher and develop a greater will to win at any cost.
@SCCougarO'Neill Chambers packed up the contents of Jake Heap's
locker and delivered them to the coach. I don't think he would have done that
prank if he didn't feel like it would play well with his other teammates. It's
pretty obvious that the team didn't like him, even resented him (fragile egos?).
No one was sad to see him go and they wouldn't even play hard when he was in the
game. Just look at all the dropped balls in the USU game prior to Nelson coming
into the game.The taunt from Nelson's family seems very plausible.
It had to have come from someone that knew her or at least knew who she was and
was sitting close to her. That would have to be someone close to the team. An
average fan wouldn't know who she was nor would they care about her reaction to
her hubby being yanked. Only Nelson's family and friends would be tuned into
that drama. Also, if it came from a random fan and not from the 'team', why
would she refuse to go to anymore games? As soon as Riley Nelson
threw up that weak "bomb" that fluttered to the wide-open receiver to
keep the miracle drive alive, the coaches had their man and Heaps was cooked.
The lucky tipped catch to win the game was just the icing on the cake.
@Y Grad / Y DadJust a little too smug to be taken seriouslyStay classy
Transfer or not, to me the bottom line is he didn't get the job done during the
ample time he had on the field. Frankly, he was in over his head this year. So
he got replaced, and rightly so. So why all the concern about a non-performer
nelson and his family are classy....um no, way to ruin the future an run of a
great talent. Doug you are in left field with this article.
I think this is a little over the top. A little harsh. Jake can do what he
wants. In the end it will himself he can be proud of or ashamed of, not anyone
else. Let him make the choice and live with the consequence. He'll
write his own story.
I think this is slanted unfairly, Robinson. The fact is, Heaps was made to cover
a variety of sins. Bronco has apologized (sort of) for his executive struggles
at the beginning of last year and for the two-quarterback system. Doman has
apologized (sort of) for his growing pains (ineptitude?) as OC early this year.
But the ugly fact remains that it was Heaps who stood in the breach in both
situations. The harm Bronco did in dividing the team last year was incalculable,
and the divided loyalties clearly extended into this year with players including
Ogletree and the Reynolds brothers bald-facedly telling the media they play
harder for Nelson. (They should have been benched for that attitude). The
problem was exacerbated when even Bronco obliquely and repeatedly disclosed that
his preference was for maturity and grit, and that playing a freshman went
against his instincts. Was that fair to Heaps, viz. a head coach willing to use
him to save a season while publicly questioning his maturity?
2/4 Heaps's brashness and enabled attitude make it easier to see him
scapegoated. Perhaps. But to do due diligence on this story you should at least
consider whether his transfer might be about more than fear of Nelson. (C'mon,
fear of Nelson? He's beaten Nelson out for the job at least twice in
head-to-head competition...) It seems reasonable that he sees the writing on the
wall in terms of Mendenhall's love of Nelson and a soured relationship with
Doman. Remember the early season when Doman couldn't even decide whether to sit
in the box or stand on the sidelines to look into Heaps's eyes (Doman's quote,
3/4 You claim Nelson's transfer wasn't about PT, but had to do with the
uncertain opportunity to play for a program with a national profile. I submit
Heaps's transfer could be about the same thing. As even you concede, Heaps's
likeliest route to significant playing time is to redshirt, and then have two
years to shine. Instead he is launching himself into an unknown situation where
he will be forced to sit a year and to learn an entirely new system. Is that
running from a fight, as you suggest, or running to one? Couldn't it be that he
understands (with that vaunted increased maturity) that his goals are
incompatible with Mendenhall's? Couldn't it be that he feels ill-used, and to
add insult to injury, ill-used in a setting that matters to him for religious
reasons? The same competition, jealousy, cliquishness exist at BYU as exist
elsewhere, but at BYU players are increasingly expected to put a happy face on
things. Perhaps Heaps felt better competing at a place where a coach doesn't
have an explicit preference for RMs, where a significant portion of the team
hasn't disclosed that they play better for another QB.
4/4 Finally, I have no problem with Nelson's transfer. But you hold it up as
implicitly moral, as a personal quest for greater challenges. On your account,
Heaps's transfer suffers by comparison. In reality, of course, Nelson's decision
was every bit as fraught as Heaps's. Wasn't Nelson running from a fight? Hadn't
he been recruited by the home-town school in the (explicit and expressed) hope
that he would help return Utah State to national prominence? Hopes in Logan were
high that he would do just that, especially after his freshman season. He chose
to run from that challenge to a school that already had a national profile (in
your phrase). In other words, he decided to be disloyal (without putting too
fine a point on it) in order to pursue his own best interests. Sounds exactly
like Heaps, doesn't it? Heaps is an easy fall guy, especially after his various
faits accompli (the one at Iggy's and the recent decision to transfer). But the
instinct to lionize Nelson and to demonize Heaps by contrast is an unworthy one,
and is beneath your generally fine reporting.
We wish Jake and his family the very best as they make the decision of which
school to transfer to in 2012. I would suggest UCLA as a possible fit.
Academic are comparable to BYU, no QB on their roster, new coach coming in to
turn things around, might be a good fit. Hate to see him leave the Y, he could
have been great.
So BYU coaches can't make a winner out of top-ranked QB (Heaps). But somehow
they've been able to make a winner out of lesser talent (Riley)?
You really shouldn't judge the situation when you know so few details.
To all of you who say the Nelson family owes the Heaps family an apology:Why do you ignore the several eye witnesses who have said on this very
blog, they saw the Nelson family in Logan the night of the alleged incident??
And as far as the "incident" - it is total hearsay. Too
bad Riley wasn't inserted into the second half of the TX game - this whole
season would have been a lot different.
This is from Heaps's interview with NEI from December 5th: "I really
respect and like Coach Mendenhall, hes a great man. Ive learned a lot about
football from Coach Doman." Compare the comments about the two
coaches. It certainly sounds as though there has been a significant falling out.
I wonder when the whole story will emerge...
Okay everyone, first off a transfer is a transfer. There are multiple reasons
athletes do so. Health, family, or they just plain want to get out of there.
None of us know exactly what drove Heaps away. It could be he lost the starting
position or it could be that he doesn't like the coaching of Doman and they had
the falling out as has been a speculation. Regardless it is his decision and
right. You don't think he didn't realize that even if he transferred schools he
would have to sit out? Of course he knew that. College athletes transfer all
of the time. What is the big deal? As I originally said, a transfer is a
transfer. Everyone just needs to get over it and move one. Jake Heaps is still
young and may make mistakes but he will learn from them. Since when has any 20
year old person been perfect and for that matter any one on here ragging on him?
So why are so many people throwing a fit? People just need to move on, BYU
still has a quarterback who fans are pleased with so why all the hype about a
Well said Doug. As the old saying goes: "quitters never win and winners
never quit." I don't think BYU failed Heaps, I think Heaps failed when he
had to face adversity and he didn't know how to handle it. Instead of growing
and learning from the experience he decided to tuck his tail and run. He really
could have learned from the situation and grown and become a better person
because of it. What does this teach others? If you don't get your way stomp your
feet and throw a fit until you get your way. Life doesn't always work that way.
He could have learned a lot of leadership qualities from Riley and how to work
hard for what you want, what you want doesn't always get handed to you on a
I find it interesting that people are more worried about this, than the debt
being racked up by barack.
His game was exposed and none of his team mates cried about his benching,
because they didn't like him. He was completely ignored on the sidelines and it
was too much for a guy used to being the center of the universe. Of course he
transferred. The coaches were happy to see him go.
I think everybody is forgetting about Lark and his cohorts coming up in the
ranks. It is by no means assured Heaps would be the starter against Lark after
red-shirting. If Heaps had opted to serve a mission, instead of marrying, then
he would have three more years and no Riley to compete with and would also have
that much bally-hooed maturity. Again even then he would be competing against
good competition because BYU continues to recruit good athletes.Bottom line is Heaps needs to feel confident he is making the right choices
and I sincerely hope he has that. I know his wife and other advisers will have
his best wishes in mind as they consult with him. The rest of us are simply
re:PipesA.. did you watch Jake at the end of last year under ROBERT
Anae? Jake had all sorts of confidence and didn't seem to have much trouble with
accuracy either. Imagine what Jake would have been like under Anae as a senior!
You say that the coordinator or the system has no baring on how a QB plays huh?
Notice how Alex Smith is now having a BANNER year this year for the 49ers after
suffering through several years of mediocrity. Many said Alex couldn't pick up
the NFL game and then came along Jim Harbaugh as the new head coach of the
49ers. Suddenly Alex is ACCURATE!! Suddenly Alex sees the field and picks up his
receivers just fine... in fact he is doing GREAT and has lead the 49ers to first
place in the division. Coincidence? I think not. Alex was a good QB all along
but the 49ers had stinky coaches ... until this year. You could probably ask
Steve Young the same question after he left Tampa Bay to play in San Francisco.
The coach - the system - the coordinator makes ALL the difference!! Jake will be
great again - just like he was under Anae.
Maybe I missed something, but is this your same opinion for Riley when he left
USU for BYU.
re:fenderYes everyone was so happy to see him go and know that
little Riley Nelson is the future at QB. Right. Dream on.
Every starting QB at BYU has enormous to impossible expectations placed on him.
Just because he fell short of them, BYU fans were ready with pitchforks and
torches waiting. It's the only University I know that the entire four to five
QB depth chart is known by the second week.Heaps played in the
tougher games. He showed he could lead the Cougars against the inferior
opponents like NMSU. What happened when Riley played up against good
competition? TCU made him look terrible in the passing game. The word is out
and defenses are going to play and 8 box contain and make him beat them through
passing. I bet Tulsa beats BYU and makes Riley look bad.I never
thought I would see myself coming to the defense of a BYU QB, but he has
definitely been the red-headed step child for BYU fans. Doman didn't know how
to utilize a passing QB.Best of luck for Heaps. Life is so much
better outside of Provo. The worst is behind you and the wind is at your back
This is just a preemptive piece by a BYU supporter who wants to make sure he
gets his digs in on Heaps while he still can; before Heaps goes to a big-time
school and takes them to a big time bowl game. Nothing more. I think the
pro-BYU press should be ashamed of themselves how they have handled this story
by continuing to bash Heaps and his decision. Just goes to show that
selfishness & narcissism continues to run amok here in the valley.
I agree with this article:Exhibit 1: Where was Riley Nelson while Jake
Heaps was losing to Utah State?The Punt team. Heart.
Very very well said Doug. That is exacly what I would have written. Heaps is a
cry baby and very conceded. All his interviews were always about him and he
never gave credit to his teammates. Good ridance. You will never see him be a
great player now. He blew it big time. No other team wants a quiter. He has a
lot of growing up to do.
Riley Nelson is no different than Jake. Riley backed out on a commitment to
Utah State. And thats O.K. to tell kids that if things aren't going well, Bail??
You can sugar coat Riley's leaving Utah State as it being O.K. because he was
going to your perceived better program. But he still backed out on a
Things just don't add up. There is more to this story that will ultimately come
out. Based on results and wins, he simply didn't perform. Even when Heaps had
completions, the receiver had to reach back, up or down causing him to fall down
rather than being able to catch in stride for more yards. For being touted as
potentially the most accurate QB ever, he was less than mediocre at game
time.That all being said, good luck Jake wherever you end up
@d'anconiaThe rantings of a confirmed utah troll are not in the
least bit believable. Undoubtedly you cannot back up any of your claims about
Chambers, Heaps wife, or any of the other drivel you have claimed.Frankly utah trolls like yourself have been callling Heaps "Hypes",
claiming he was terrible, claiming he was a prima donna, and about a million
other things for the last 3 years.Your born again Heaps defense is
nothing more than your hate for BYU now causing you to change to a completely
different line of attack simply to try and take advantage of the situation. It
is pathetic but not in the least bit surprising.I personally wish
Heaps and beome all that we Cugar fans had hoped he would be. He didn't. Now
it's time to move on. I have no doubt you'll find a new avenue to express your
hate for BYU soon enough.
There are a lot of issues to this fiasco. I have absolutely NO confidence in
Bronco as a coach or in anything that he says. His "Bronco Speak"
usually tells us nothing. His worn out "Band of Brothers" T-shirts is
junior high stuff. Can anyone imagine LaVell dressing like that. But most of
all, is his lack of truthfulness, telling the press that Riley was a game time
decision and Riley saying later that he knew on Tues that he was the starter, a
full five days before the game.Also Riley played against the JVs with the
exception of TCU and we know how that turned out. Heaps certainly didn't
perform up to par this year but why would he stay when there has been NO
communication with Doman.It is my opinion that BYU will see other players
leave and more commits decommit, one already has. I think the coaching staff is
a good example of the "Peter Principle" and this staff will never do
any better than they have the last two years.
Finally!!! A really great article on this whole Jake Heaps thing! Doug's last paragraph summed up my feelings perfectly. This is what ails many
young people today--a feeling of "entitlement!" They don't think they
have to pay the price, so to speak for anything anymore. I wish Jake well, and I
hope he grows up and matures. This exit may come to haunt him.
Amen. This article hit it on the head! Leaders are born through opportunity.
Jake had an opportunity to learn and personally I think he lost out. If Heaps was honest with himself and his performance over the last year I
think he would even agree he was awful. I think a year off as a redshirt would
have done wonders for him and made him more hungry.Seeing him in HS
the kid had the mechanics, but many times that does not matriculate to college.
Many 5 star athletes have learned this the hard way.I hope Heaps can
take a step back and change his mind.
The mark of a good QB is the ability to adjust your game to the current
situation. Jake Heaps has been told how good he is from day 1 by his
"personal Quarterback coach" and his close male relative. He's never
had to adjust either his game or is attitude. Heaps doesn't have the mental
toughness to handle a major college program let alone the pros. I wouldn't
blame Doman too much. His original offense was built around Heaps and his
style. It didn't work because Heaps couldn't run it. I wish him well but when
I think of him, I'll compare him to the vaunted Ben Olsen.
Bye Jake. With respect. You did what you could while you were here. But BYU
has to move on. Ben Olsen did it, you can as well.Hopefully BYU learns
from this as we have a highly recruited kid coming on next year. Have patience
with your current quarterback (Nelson). No more two QB controversy. Nelson is
the man. Magnum, after a mission, if he goes and some additional maturity, BYU
can mold him into a supahstah. If Nelson gets hurt, THEN and only then can
Magnum come in and do his thing. No accusations, no controversy, if there are
miscues as they will be easily forgiven. Young, Bosco, McMahon, Wilson, and
even Detmer came in as backups to the current QB and were immediately successful
because mistakes were overlooked. Doman, please take initiative to communicate
with your players even if they don't like you. Don't hold grudges.
A great no-nonsense article. Those who don't see it this way apparently weren't
watching the same games I watched...in total frustration when Heaps played and
total respect and amazement when Nelson played. I hope Jake lands on his feet.
143 comments.Tearing a student-athelete and/or his family apart and
mocking him/them day after day because he no longer wants to be at BYU.I'm sure this is not what the Board of Trustee's nor BYU had in mind when they
talked about gaining exposure.More like being exposed.BYU and BYU fans are better than this.
D'Anconia | 9:07 a.m. Dec. 7, 2011 Providence, UT Your
original comment:"Well Riley. You're the man now. Let's see how
you handle the pressure. You failed against TCU but then again that game didn't
matter since your season was over by that point anyway. You will be expected to
come out next year and run the table. Good luck. You'll need it...just like you
needed it to beat Utah State."My comment - seems a little
shrill to me, especially for someone from Providence.Your comment -
seems a little smug to you. "Keep it classy."My comment -
still seems shrill. And somewhat less than classy. Just my opinion.
I stayed on the sidelines until the anti-BYU talking heads in the media tried to
spin it as BYU's fault that Jake left. I don't take up a sword in the
anti-Jake crusade. But I do take up a shield to fend off the anti-BYU crusade
of the blabber-mouths on talk radio. Their theories are ridiculous. Didn't
treat Jake in a way becoming of a 5 star recruit?? Give me a break. JAKE
STARTED MORE GAMES AS A TRUE FRESHMAN THAN ANY QB IN BYU HISTORY. Deal with
it.Show me a person who claims Jake should have played out the
entire Utah State game, and I'll show you somebody who's clueless about
football. It was obvious, Nelson had to come in for Jake. Nelson rescued the
game. Mendenhall and Doman rightly decided that Nelson would be the starter in
the remaining games, thanks to his heroics. There is nothing wrong with that.
BYU is not at fault. Again, is this a knock on Jake? No. Nothing
said above is a knock on Jake. It's merely fending off the anti-hyenas who take
every opportunity to circle and howl whenever they think they smell blood.
I think heaps could have been fine in the BYU system, but I think the media made
him out to be more than he is. He's too small to be the pocket passer, and the
kid moves like he's got rocks in his shoes. A true pocket passer is taller than
6'2" and weighs more than 210. Heaps is probably overstated in both height
and weight. He probably comes in at about 5'11" 190 and his 40 time is
probably 4.9. He doesn't seem to have much backbone. I wish him the best but I
really do prefer the scrappy fearless leader type. I honestly thought we had a
solid qb after the Utah game in 2010 and I stuck with him till Nelson came in
and gave us that wild ride against USU, but that same kid from the Utah game
2010 never showed up to the field ever again.
Have some of you forgotten that Heaps mopped up the patsy schedule last year and
had a good game against powerhouse UTEP in a bowl game? Look at the schedule
again if you forgot----Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, etc. Heaps had a chance to
succeed on the big stage as a sophomore and looked pathetic. There
shouldn't be any excuses about coaching. If you want to use that excuse then
those who like watching a leader play would have to say the coaching staff has
done an excellent job with Nelson. I think it would be interesting
to find out which QB worked hardest in the off season with things like weight
room attendance and 7 on 7 workouts with the offense. Maybe a reporter could
dive into that and find out who worked the hardest in the off season. It looks
like to me the offensive players have gravitated towards Nelson. Usually that
bonding takes place in the off-season and outside of football meetings and
official practices. I'm not sure Heaps is to blame in all of this
and I won't go there. I think his advisors and parents should shoulder some of
Duckhunter I wished I had your user name. Maybe Ill become Deerhunter. I
recognize BYU has several people on the roster who are QBs. But after Heaps
2011 season what makes us believe they will perform better? He was the top dawg
recruit at any position in his class. Right now we do not have a roster loaded
with guys who can start at QB and win every game. Riley is not a QB, hes a heck
of an athlete - hes a football player. Would you rather have a QB or a
Football player taking snaps? Bronco and Brandon will always start the football
player. So unless one of your top recruits qualifies in Broncos eyes as a
Football player who can pass also, we dont have a roster loaded with QBs. My opinion is we need to put this entire debacle behind us. We need to move
forward. Im not a Riley fan. Ive watched him practice more than once I dont
like how he horses around on the sidelines when hes not playing. He should be
focused every practice/game whether hes playing or not.
But it doesn't matter that I don't like Riley. He's tough, he's improving, and
hes winning. He has a ton of pressure on his shoulders going into the bowl game
against Tulsa who is better than alotta people think. He needs Cougar Nation to
rally him more now than everIt's time to move on and pray for our
athletic Football player taking snaps. Congrats again to Doug for driving
comments like Dick H! Someone give him a raise. I was being
@patriotFirst off I am a life long Ute fan. Some of the comments
that you come up with about this subject have just made me laugh. BYU started
winning as soon as that "Tim Tebow look-a-like" was made the starting
QB. A traditional pro-style offence is exactlly what he (Doman) was running
with Heaps, but why would he run the same thing with Nelson. Personally I could care less about Heaps or Nelson, but when you start
comparing Nelson to Tebow all I know is you have two QB's that might not look
like an NFL QB but they sure and the heck WIN. That kid that earned a
scholarship to a D1 school is BYU's QB. I watched about ten plays the other
night and he was moving the team pretty good against another D1 school. The
only thing bad I would have to say about him is that he needs to get a helmet
that fits just cutting his hair isn't going to make that thing fit any better.
As always GO UTES Not Brad rather Robert he is now the
OC at Arizona
I agree with Doug! Well put. Heaps is running from an opportunity to face
adversity which any world class athlete knows he MUST go through to become the
absolute best. I'm sick of hearing about Heaps' potential...it was so obvious
that the offense couldn't move the ball with Heaps at the helm and then the
defense got so tired from being on the field, it was frustrating to watch. So long, Heaps. You could've been great. But now, you'll fade just like
the other QBs that left for greener pastures and were never heard from again.
Enough. Do we have any "writers" who have not taken a shot at Jake
Heaps. But this is old news now. Jake and his wife have made their choice. It
may or may not be a good one. But it is time to let them have some peace and
respect. Enough bridge burning. Good luck to the young couple. I
for one hope they do well in their new home, be it wherever. Something like
this could strain a marriage so I hope they can rise above this media circus,
settle in and be happy.For Jake, individually, I hope his career
plans are successful.Good Luck!
Come on, Robinson, "he was giving up a sure starting job and stepping into
the unknown for a chance to play for a nationally renowned program". Are
you serious? I think you meant to say nationally KNOWN program, not nationally
renowned, right.How is byu a nationally renowned program; just
because you root for them and espn puts them on television each week, despite
their weak sister schedule? I think you, like most byu fans, confuse being on
television with being relevent in the national college football scene.
I continue to be very disappointed in BYU fans and their behavior over this. I
always thought they were better than this. If it is true that Doman was not
even speaking to Heaps...what trash is that...what type of a program would have
coaches like that. Jake left on his own...BYU's offense is much worse than last
year with most back. I will bet that Mr. Doman will not leave on his own.
Jake should have borrowed more than just a page from Riley's playbook...
He should have checked out the whole book!
I agree with some of the points and think Jake could have gained a lot. I mean
for crying out loud it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Riley Nelson
is literally only ever one play away from an injury. Even in the small sample
size of half a season Jake played two games as the main quarterback and in
another two as the clean-up.But on the other hand, I think there are
some legitimate reasons for a transfer. Obviously Riley has the team behind him
while Jake may not. That isn't likely to change. Also the play calling seems
to facilitate Riley's style a lot more than Jake's. Doman spent half of his
first year as OC (and will spend his first full offseason as OC) scheming for
Riley's talents, which means that Jake would be forced to play in a system that
doesn't work well with his skill set. I would have liked to see him stay and
fight, but I can't entirely blame him for leaving.
D'Anconia news flash. Nelson didn't lose the TCU game. BYU's special teams
lost the game. Nelson put up more than enough points to win and the Y's defense
did a good job in a lousy circumstance cause by the special teams.
Have to agree... other schools can only be looking at Heaps as a real good
backup anyway. I wouldn't waste my time on a quiter anyway. We may not like
Nelson all that much, but at least he fought the fight... Heaps ran when things
didn't go his way. What he really should have done was serve a
mission. Aside from the fact that its what God wants, those two years of growth
go a long way. the NCAA wouldn't let you just sit for two years so the Mission
exepmtion works out great...
PatriotLet me hand you a hanky, so you don't embarrass yourself. No
need to fret. You can follow Heaps at Backwater Tech or wherever he finally
reaches his level of play.
Flashback--No, Nelson lost the TCU game...chucking the ball up in the air for
multiple picks. As soon as Nelson plays any team that puts pressure on him,
which most of the schedule does not, he freaks out and chucks the ball. Oh,
yeah, he's a hero for the last chuck up in the air, because "luckily"
somebody caught the ball. And it was luck. That pass could just as easily been
picked off. I'm so excited that BYU gets to beat the New Mexico States and the
Idaho states of college football. But the stadium will eventually start to have
many tickets available, if things don't change. And I can't wait
for some new meat to come into the quarterback battle. The hotdogs we've been
having to choke down don't compare to the steak of the past!
@FlashbackI will give you that he didn't lose that game for BYU. He
didn't win it either. All I'm hearing about Nelson is that he wins games. He
didn't win that one. And by the way, the next big game he wins will
be his first.
You've given the embarrassing truth. I wish Jake the best and hope that he does
well both as a person and as a QB. I'm certain that he and BYU look back and
wish they could undo a few things. Competing with BYU's new QB recruits would
have been difficult and it may not be easier at another school.
I hope Jake finds a school that has to play BYU every year. It will be fun to
watch him beat the Cougars down every time they play him and his team!!!
@DuckHunterYou write:"The rantings of a confirmed
utah troll are not in the least bit believable. Undoubtedly you cannot back up
any of your claims about Chambers, Heaps wife, or any of the other drivel you
have claimed."The OâNeill Chambers story was written in
BYUâs own Universe publication. Not hard to find. Do you know how to use
popular internet search engines?The Brooke Heaps story was very
recent article written by the BYU homer Dick Harmon So you are
saying that these sources are not to be trusted?
Nelson against TCU had a QB rating of 111.6. Heap's ratings against Texas 98.5,
Utah 107.5, UCF 74, USU 80. Average rating for 2011 is Heaps at 111
and Nelson at 163. Last year's ratings were Nelson at 104 and Heaps at 116.
Heaps's average rating for 2010 against the patsies was less than Nelson's
ratings for the TCU game in 2011. BYU moved the ball just fine against TCU. Stats courtesy of the internet. Anyone is able to check on it.
Some guys work out, some don't. If recruiting hype were to win titles every
year, Notre Dame would be undefeated every year.. I'm fairly confident that
Taysom Hill will make us all forget about Heaps.. And yes, I am a biased
friend.. Go Cougs!
This whole Riley/Heaps debate is really moreover which quarterback meets
Offensive Coordinator needs as Doman is that person and not Anae. Doman is
starting to leave his imprint on BYU as the offensive coordinator, as that
coaching position determines offensive game plan that the QB executes in the
offensive play. Will Doman be like other Offensive coordinator greats at BYU
(Chow, Scovil, Tollner, those that even coached at the NFL level) only time will
tell. We will see what QBs BYU is able to recruit that reflect Doman's style and
that is apparent from how Doman played at BYU a non drop back passing
quarterback. Doman's elected to retain two coaching positions like Mendenhall
and is that wise, again only time will tell? BYU fans want BYU to win its games
and have a schedule that reflects if BYU wins its games it will be ranked in top
25 poll and playing an a major bowl against the highest ranked team possible.
BYU 9-3 season would be far more impressive if BYU had done this while in
conference like PAC12, Big12, Big Ten, SEC, or Big East.
I'm truly amazed reading some of these responses. Using Riley and Max Hall as
examples. Those are completely different just like Ben Olsen was different they
transfered coming off missions realizing they wanted to be somewhere else
without playing, except for Riley, and as he pointed out he went from a sure
starter to the unknown. Jake is leaving because his ego is bruised, he lost his
job and instead of doing what he can to get it back he looks for greener
pastures. We all learn more from adversity and those quarterbacks that go
through adversity seem to have better careers. He could have become stronger
through an experience like that. I get sick of everyone saying the coaches
didn't give him a chance, that makes me laugh there's a couple of really good
quarterbacks on the bench who haven't had any chance at all. From the beginning
you could see that the job was Jake's to lose, and guess what he lost it.
To claim Heaps is somehow to be looked down on for transferring, when Riley
Nelson also transferred (because daddy was offended) from USU to BYU. Isn't that
a little inconsistent of someone to then build up Riley? When he transferred for
an arguably worse reason?