"Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred schools. I
doubt there is one."----NevadaCougUh, Cam Newton.====The difference between Nelson and Heaps: Nelson is a
fighter.And while Heaps likely would have won vs those
"lesser" opponents too, Nelson certainly made a difference in the Utah
State game, as Y Dad already mentioned. Of course, the "discovery" of
Michael Alisa helped Nelson in later games, the Utah game probably would have
been closer. Why? Nelson's a fighter.And now Nelson has a chance to
prove it vs decent competition in the AF Bowl.===="Akron
football coach Rob Ianello was fired via cell phone as he was driving to his
mother's funeral."That's pretty bad. And here I had such
respect for the Zips.
Heaps transferring or any other starting QB in Div 1A football transferring is
usually associated with change in Offensive Coordinator or Head coach and that
player losing the starting position. I think this whole Heaps issue is
reflection of BYU Offensive coordinator change from Anae to Doman. Heaps was
recruited for a different offensive scheme (pure drop back passer) and now the
offensive is run and shoot type, putting QB emphasis on mobility and through
pass on the move outside of a pocket protection. The real issue is how BYU
handled a recruit like Heaps effect future blue chip athletes out of high
school. As Y fan, we want wins against the schedule opponents and to have the
team ranked in the top 25 during the season and to play in a bowl game against
a another top 25 ranked team. If BYU 9-3 season was in PAC12, Big10, Big12, SEC,
Big East, or ACC conference instead of being independent; BYU would be ranked in
the top 25 and playing a postseason bowl with more prestige than Armed Forces
Bowl. Isn't ranking all about being noticed besides more money and prestige?
VAggieAlas, many of us BYU fans aren't even that honest. We'll wait
to see if he is successful elsewhere, and THEN we'll brand him a traitor.
Otherwise, we're perfectly content to throw mud at his back as he leaves. I wish we could be more civil about that part.
comparing any of those players (Rodgers or Newton)to Heaps is absurd. Rodgers
transferred up because he was good enough, Newton transferred so his dad would
make money. Heaps is transferring because he is a terrible QB, and couldn't make
the cut at BYU. He'd be a solid FCS starter, but he's a backup. With no NFL
talent. Also to all the BYU fans who think Heaps is a traitor or
disloyal, do you remember how you got Riley?
Wayne RoutOnce again, Wayne, no matter how many times you say it, it
just ain't so. Riley is throwing fairly decent and his receivers
are making him look good. Jake? No matter how many stars, and no
matter why, too many passes ended up on the ground. No coach can find a way to
use a quarterback who doesn't complete passes. He completed them LAST year.
Just not this year. Those in favor of leaving him in until he does
figure out how to complete them, raise your hand? That's what I thought. Now if you want to talk about undeveloped talent, fine! Do it. But
quit sayin Riley can't throw. It just isn't so.
NevadaCougJoe Flaco-BaltimoreCam Newton & Aaron Rogers JC
SchoolsPatriotNo invite to PAC-12 never will be one
@Cougar Nation #1 | 7:00 a.m. Dec. 7, 2011 Provo, UT Actually, Jake
Heaps holds almost all the freshman QB passing records at BYU. That's because there aren't true freshman who play quarterback at BYU.
Now this is the Rock On we're all used to, which is why I've stopped reading his
articles. No thanks.
Didn't Heaps break some freshman records last year?
I read somewhere that of the so-called "Super 11," which included Jake
(where his skills shined), only Jake and one other AFTER TWO YEARS has even had
much playing time. Not much of a QB recruit bunch that year.
Mr. Rock,You have talent as a writer, but it's disappointing you resort to
making fun of others and mocking them. I've used the same type of speech in my
life and am trying to change. Athletes, like Jake Heaps, are still young in
life. They need words of encouragement and truth, not jeering and mockery. As a
member of our community and a professional writer, I invite you to change the
tenor of your "Rock On" articles to be positive in nature. No one
benefits from this type of humor. As I try to improve my speech habits, I hope
the new year will find you thinking over your writing style. Another poison pen
or sharp tongue is not needed in this world. Thank you.
Bronco's dream of a national championship apparently depends on walk-ons. The
Doman offense has made even last year's offense look inspired. Some more house
cleaning is necessary. When a coaching staff cannot find a way to use a four
star QB there's something wrong with the coaching staff. When a coaching staff
elects to use a quaterback who can't throw the ball, there's something wrong
with the coaching staff. Last year Bronco fired some good people...let's hope
this year he will fire Doman and then resign himself.
Actually, Jake Heaps holds almost all the freshman QB passing records at BYU.
True enough that if Nelson doesn't come into the USU game BYU loses that as
well. As an Aggie, although slightly uncomfortable, I do admire Nelson's grit.
Although BYU beat us I am still not convinced Nelson would have started in Logan
either way, which is probably rare to have a BYU starter that wouldn't start in
Logan but I really like Kennedy and Keeton.Brad you are arrogant,
granted Boise is not close to the tropics but you don't have to be so arrogant,
it's unfortunate Des News supports your below the belt ways. As far
as Heaps goes, good luck wherever you land. In retrospect Jake wasn't up for the
challenge. I do not think Doman and Bronco were the best coaches to support Jake
but truthfully Jake simply seemed to lack heart. A QB has to have heart/desire.
Especially when he is still unproven, which Jake is. So much for Rival's rating.
Here's another QB who transferred:Cam Newton, from Florida (D1A) to
Blinn College (D2?) to Auburn (D1A)
"Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred
schools"Joe Flacco, from Pitt (D1A) to Delaware (D1AA).
Re: Brave Sir RobinThe "it's the opponent" excuse doesn't
fly. Even when Heaps did get in the games against the "weaker"
opponents he didn't look good. He had his chances to win the starting job back,
and he couldn't do it. Now he's tucking tail and running. It didn't work for
Ben Olson. I very much doubt it will work for Heaps. Name me one QB currently
starting in the NFL that transferred schools. I doubt there is one.And I doubt there are many backups in the NFL who transferred schools either.
Brave Sir Robin I'll agree with you to this extent (I'm sure you are
gratified): I don't think the outcome would have been different with Riley in
the Utah game. But I don't think it would have been the humiliation that it
turned out to be. After all, we had nearly the same type of melt-down against
TCU, clearly a superior team to Utah, and yet Riley kept us a lot closer than
Jake did against Utah.And who knows, if Riley had fielded that first
errant snap, instead of Jake missing it, it could have been an entirely
different game. But I digress.To say that Nelson is no better than
Heaps is playing the same foolish game of what ifs, with one exception: you HAVE
to acknowledge that Jake was losing the Utah State game after three quarters and
some change; Riley came in and rallied the troops for a victory. If you can't
acknowledge that, you got no business talking serious football.
@Tom in CA"What would have happened with Nelson as starter in
the Utah game, I wonder."You don't have to wonder - Nelson
played a bunch in that game. His final stats: 3-6 for 38 yards, 1 fumble
returned for a touchdown.This is what I've been trying to tell you
guys all season...it's not the quarterback, it's the opponent! Nelson looked so
much better than Heaps after the Heaps benching because that's when BYU's
schedule went full-on creampuff. Heaps would have won all those games handily,
too. Those opponents were just so far below BYU's level at every position that
my dead grandma could have quarterbacked BYU to a bunch of victories. But
against the good teams on BYU's schedule, neither QB did anything because
neither of them is that good.Yes, that's right - Nelson is no better
of a QB than Heaps. He just got lucky to come in at the right time (when the
schedule went downhill). But to Nelson's credit, at least he attempted to
tackle the ball carrier after he fumbled in the Utah game, unlike Heaps.
Jake Hypes. He wont start at a competitive BCS school. He'd be 3rd string at USU
right now. Because Kennedy is undefeated and Keeton is a stud. As for the Utes,
Heaps would be 4th behind Shreve.
The real Heaps question is where he's headed next with his redshirt, Jr. and Sr.
years. Washington State? Boise State? Maybe Sarkesian would want him at
Washington. I think he'll have a tough road ahead...
@patriot - can't blame this all on the offense, truly great players show they
can adapt to different offensive schemes. Even if it's become run first all
Heaps had to do was fake a handoff then step back and throw the ball. He had
many chances this season to even just show some gumption but he failed and lost
the starting job to someone who could execute. It's just too bad that he's
showing this color and giving up rather than facing his troubles and correcting
them. What a shame.
@patriotByu never received an invite to the PAC 12 or Big 12.
I think Heaps is overrated.
re: whatinitforme, "streaker for target practice", that was
hillarious. Great post, I had forgot about him chucking the ball at the kid.
Nice.I'm going to start calling Nelson, "California" just
for his hair! He's got the same attitude.
Get over it. Heaps is a practice phenom, not a game phenom. Until he realizes
that himself, he won't be any better anywhere else. Maybe his new coach can help
him to realize it. Apparently, Bronco didn't know how.Bet the other
QBs on BYU's roster are feeling a lot better now. Bronco sacrificed Lark's
chances to keep Jake happy and give Jake every opportunity. Heaps is only
capable against weak defenses--his first option is nearly always open.Can't wait to see what Riley does next (besides win games). For example,
high-fiving a ref, using a streaker for target practice, etc. Kid's a hoot!
Think about it:Without the spectacular play of the Cougar defense,
we lose the Ole Miss game. If Riley had played the second half, BYU would have
the "W" against Texas - my opinion. What would have happened with
Nelson as starter in the Utah game, I wonder. I say Heaps got plenty
to prove himself. It didn't work out.
To bad for Heaps. He was surrounded in a football fraternity. He was getting
advice from Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Robbie Bosco, Doman, etc. I bet even McMahon
called and said, "Dude grow up, take a red-shirt, pay your dues."
PatriotI just don't see it that way. The offense as it now stands
has been tweaked a little to accommodate Riley but what we did at the beginning
of the season should have been right up his alley. But he missed too many
passes, and when he hit his receivers, they missed to many catches. I don't know why they couldn't catch more of his passes. But you have to have
noticed, lately even Apo has been catching more and looking more like the
receiver he was billed to be all along. Now if anybody could help
McKay to catch more of what is thrown his way...
Boise State was ranked # 7 and they didn't get a BCS game or even a good bowl
for their one loss record, so ranklngs don't mean much with the powers that
be.Although they claim to use them for the selction of teams to the bowls unless
of course it involves a non automatic qualifer.Until the system is fixed there
it will continue to be a mess
re:Johnny TriumphJake's problems were with Brandon Doman and his
offense. Jake had no problem with the Anae offense.I doubt John Beck or Max Hall
- both pocket passers would have caught on to the quirky Doman offense which
seems to be a run first pass second style - sort of the same as Brandon himself
when he played. Jake has a big arm and a quick release along with his nearly
6'3" frame. Jake will do great under a better coordinator.
patriot:"Maybe even UCS."UCS? University of
California at Sonoma? "...had BYU beaten Texas , Utah and TCU
they most likely would have been ranking at least in the top 15 and playing in a
decent bowl."And had Utah beaten Colorado, and then beat
Oregon, they would be in the Rose Bowl.And had Oklahoma State beaten
Iowa State, they would playing in the National Championship game.And
had Akron won all their games, they would playing in the National Championship
game.And had Michigan beaten BYU in 1984, Oklahoma would be National
What about Boise State for Heaps?It's a shame that Heaps lost the
starting job and the trust/support of the team like he did. He's showing, by
leaving, that he can't stick it out and turn around a bad situation. Nelson
could have given up on things after he lost a chance to start but he held out,
worked hard, and showed his teammates that he was a team player. I hope Heaps
can turn it around at another school but I seriously doubt it. I wonder how a
redshirt year or mission two years could have helped his leadership abilities...
Dear Rock - other than the temps in Boise in December, Bronco Stadium is a great
place to play. The community is very supportive of national level football. As
for things to do, you must not spend much time in Boise. Coming from Logan,
Boise looks like a New York. If you are looking for warm beach weather, then you
need to be accepting invitations to Hawaii or Florida this time of year.
Jake will land in a BCS conference somewhere. My guess is Washington or
Washington State. Maybe even UCS. Either way Jake will be glad he transferred in
a couple of years looking back. BYU seems to be losing at every turn. They lose
the BIG 12 invite, the Big East invite, the Pac 12 invite, and now they lose
most likely the QB with the most potential they have ever had. I really doubt
John Beck or Max Hall would have caught on to the Doman offense since it seems
to be tailored to a different style of QB.. more like Brandon himself when he
played. A running QB that sometimes threw the ball. It is becoming hard to see
where BYU is headed going forward. This year was a complete bust as far as home
games (Idaho, Idaho st, New Mex St, San Jose St, Utah St) and granted had BYU
beaten Texas , Utah and TCU they most likely would have been ranking at least in
the top 15 and playing in a decent bowl. It appears going forward the forward
pass going to be a thing of the past for BYU football with Doman.