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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 6 2011 10:35 a.m. MST

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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Jake will land in a BCS conference somewhere. My guess is Washington or Washington State. Maybe even UCS. Either way Jake will be glad he transferred in a couple of years looking back. BYU seems to be losing at every turn. They lose the BIG 12 invite, the Big East invite, the Pac 12 invite, and now they lose most likely the QB with the most potential they have ever had. I really doubt John Beck or Max Hall would have caught on to the Doman offense since it seems to be tailored to a different style of QB.. more like Brandon himself when he played. A running QB that sometimes threw the ball. It is becoming hard to see where BYU is headed going forward. This year was a complete bust as far as home games (Idaho, Idaho st, New Mex St, San Jose St, Utah St) and granted had BYU beaten Texas , Utah and TCU they most likely would have been ranking at least in the top 15 and playing in a decent bowl. It appears going forward the forward pass going to be a thing of the past for BYU football with Doman.

The Deuce
Livermore, CA

Dear Rock - other than the temps in Boise in December, Bronco Stadium is a great place to play. The community is very supportive of national level football. As for things to do, you must not spend much time in Boise. Coming from Logan, Boise looks like a New York. If you are looking for warm beach weather, then you need to be accepting invitations to Hawaii or Florida this time of year.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

What about Boise State for Heaps?

It's a shame that Heaps lost the starting job and the trust/support of the team like he did. He's showing, by leaving, that he can't stick it out and turn around a bad situation. Nelson could have given up on things after he lost a chance to start but he held out, worked hard, and showed his teammates that he was a team player. I hope Heaps can turn it around at another school but I seriously doubt it. I wonder how a redshirt year or mission two years could have helped his leadership abilities...

carabaoU
Moab, UT

patriot:

"Maybe even UCS."

UCS? University of California at Sonoma?

"...had BYU beaten Texas , Utah and TCU they most likely would have been ranking at least in the top 15 and playing in a decent bowl."

And had Utah beaten Colorado, and then beat Oregon, they would be in the Rose Bowl.

And had Oklahoma State beaten Iowa State, they would playing in the National Championship game.

And had Akron won all their games, they would playing in the National Championship game.

And had Michigan beaten BYU in 1984, Oklahoma would be National Champions.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:Johnny Triumph

Jake's problems were with Brandon Doman and his offense. Jake had no problem with the Anae offense.I doubt John Beck or Max Hall - both pocket passers would have caught on to the quirky Doman offense which seems to be a run first pass second style - sort of the same as Brandon himself when he played. Jake has a big arm and a quick release along with his nearly 6'3" frame. Jake will do great under a better coordinator.

deseret pete
robertson, Wy

Boise State was ranked # 7 and they didn't get a BCS game or even a good bowl for their one loss record, so ranklngs don't mean much with the powers that be.Although they claim to use them for the selction of teams to the bowls unless of course it involves a non automatic qualifer.Until the system is fixed there it will continue to be a mess

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Patriot

I just don't see it that way. The offense as it now stands has been tweaked a little to accommodate Riley but what we did at the beginning of the season should have been right up his alley. But he missed too many passes, and when he hit his receivers, they missed to many catches.

I don't know why they couldn't catch more of his passes. But you have to have noticed, lately even Apo has been catching more and looking more like the receiver he was billed to be all along.

Now if anybody could help McKay to catch more of what is thrown his way...

JD Tractor
Iowa City, IA

To bad for Heaps. He was surrounded in a football fraternity. He was getting advice from Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Robbie Bosco, Doman, etc. I bet even McMahon called and said, "Dude grow up, take a red-shirt, pay your dues."

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Think about it:

Without the spectacular play of the Cougar defense, we lose the Ole Miss game. If Riley had played the second half, BYU would have the "W" against Texas - my opinion. What would have happened with Nelson as starter in the Utah game, I wonder.

I say Heaps got plenty to prove himself. It didn't work out.

WhatsInItForMe
Orem, Utah

Get over it. Heaps is a practice phenom, not a game phenom. Until he realizes that himself, he won't be any better anywhere else. Maybe his new coach can help him to realize it. Apparently, Bronco didn't know how.

Bet the other QBs on BYU's roster are feeling a lot better now. Bronco sacrificed Lark's chances to keep Jake happy and give Jake every opportunity. Heaps is only capable against weak defenses--his first option is nearly always open.

Can't wait to see what Riley does next (besides win games). For example, high-fiving a ref, using a streaker for target practice, etc. Kid's a hoot!

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

re: whatinitforme, "streaker for target practice", that was hillarious. Great post, I had forgot about him chucking the ball at the kid. Nice.

I'm going to start calling Nelson, "California" just for his hair! He's got the same attitude.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Maybe "sunshine"

Woodyff
Mapleton, UT

I think Heaps is overrated.

golfrUte
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@patriot

Byu never received an invite to the PAC 12 or Big 12.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

@patriot - can't blame this all on the offense, truly great players show they can adapt to different offensive schemes. Even if it's become run first all Heaps had to do was fake a handoff then step back and throw the ball. He had many chances this season to even just show some gumption but he failed and lost the starting job to someone who could execute. It's just too bad that he's showing this color and giving up rather than facing his troubles and correcting them. What a shame.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

The real Heaps question is where he's headed next with his redshirt, Jr. and Sr. years. Washington State? Boise State? Maybe Sarkesian would want him at Washington. I think he'll have a tough road ahead...

VAggie
Bristow, United States

Jake Hypes. He wont start at a competitive BCS school. He'd be 3rd string at USU right now. Because Kennedy is undefeated and Keeton is a stud. As for the Utes, Heaps would be 4th behind Shreve.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@Tom in CA

"What would have happened with Nelson as starter in the Utah game, I wonder."

You don't have to wonder - Nelson played a bunch in that game. His final stats: 3-6 for 38 yards, 1 fumble returned for a touchdown.

This is what I've been trying to tell you guys all season...it's not the quarterback, it's the opponent! Nelson looked so much better than Heaps after the Heaps benching because that's when BYU's schedule went full-on creampuff. Heaps would have won all those games handily, too. Those opponents were just so far below BYU's level at every position that my dead grandma could have quarterbacked BYU to a bunch of victories. But against the good teams on BYU's schedule, neither QB did anything because neither of them is that good.

Yes, that's right - Nelson is no better of a QB than Heaps. He just got lucky to come in at the right time (when the schedule went downhill). But to Nelson's credit, at least he attempted to tackle the ball carrier after he fumbled in the Utah game, unlike Heaps.

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Brave Sir Robin

I'll agree with you to this extent (I'm sure you are gratified): I don't think the outcome would have been different with Riley in the Utah game. But I don't think it would have been the humiliation that it turned out to be. After all, we had nearly the same type of melt-down against TCU, clearly a superior team to Utah, and yet Riley kept us a lot closer than Jake did against Utah.

And who knows, if Riley had fielded that first errant snap, instead of Jake missing it, it could have been an entirely different game. But I digress.

To say that Nelson is no better than Heaps is playing the same foolish game of what ifs, with one exception: you HAVE to acknowledge that Jake was losing the Utah State game after three quarters and some change; Riley came in and rallied the troops for a victory. If you can't acknowledge that, you got no business talking serious football.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

Re: Brave Sir Robin

The "it's the opponent" excuse doesn't fly. Even when Heaps did get in the games against the "weaker" opponents he didn't look good. He had his chances to win the starting job back, and he couldn't do it. Now he's tucking tail and running. It didn't work for Ben Olson. I very much doubt it will work for Heaps. Name me one QB currently starting in the NFL that transferred schools. I doubt there is one.

And I doubt there are many backups in the NFL who transferred schools either.

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