Brooke and Jake deserve a big apology from the Nelson clan. Their action if
true, certainly were classless. I would hope that Reilly's parents do the right
thing and demand those in their family fess up and "Choose the Right"
and say "we're sorry for our crass behavior."I believe
that Jake still has to learn to stand up to the challenges of life. Maybe
sitting out a year will help.
I think that at least two of our coaches don't know how to be coaches. Doman
was all over the place on TV and radio but he seems to have disappeared. Bronco
will mouth some platitudes and pretend to be a leader. Leaders mold men, they
don't turn on their own people. If Jake has only been a walk-on he'd be
starting today. It's rough when you quarterback knows more about football than
your offensive coordinator...get rid of the quarterback.
Riley Nelson is a scrapper, for sure. However, he absolutely positively will
NOT go as far in football as Jake Heaps. He's too small, too susecptable (sp?)
to injuries and has slightly below average throwing accuracy and arm
strength.All in all, BYU is now worse off without Heaps. A terribly
(clarification here)Article quote: "Switch to the night of
Sept. 30, 2011, in LaVell Edwards Stadium. Jake's wife Brooke watched her
husband get benched as BYU trailed late against Utah State. As his replacement
Riley Nelson sparked a Cougar comeback, several rows behind her, members of
Nelson's family (not his mom and dad) were observed yelling down at Brooke,
"Why aren't you cheering now?" (and then the article says
that his wife, Brooke, broke down in tears and never went to another BYU game
again).Ouch. Double and triple ouch.That is NOT how BYU
fans should act. So she wasn't happy about her husband being benched. If you
love your spouse that's a tough pill to swallow with absolute grace and
generousity. The Nelson family member who yelled that at her wasn't exactly
handling the situation of her frustration with grace and generousity either, did
they? That particular Nelson family member owes this young woman a
huge, huge apology.
Here is a question for ya! Why would Jake Heaps transfer before reaping the
benefits of the bowl game?! For example, free five day vacation for him and his
wife, cash, bowl gifts, possibly a ring etc. What were you thinking Jake?
Foolish mistake! You wanted out that bad? That is sad.
Jake just never really worked in games. He only beat very weak teams. He can't
improvise. His accuracy is quite average.I doubt USC would take him
after their long string of future NFL Hall-of-Famers -- Heaps doesn't fit the
mold.I think leaving shows a lack of character, an immaturity, and
Nelson better prove himself again next year when a highly touted quarterback is
brought in. I hope Doman doesn't press the issue with a "mobile"
quarterback as he was himself an option QB. In contrast, Sarkesian
paid his dues before he because an offensive coordinator at USC. He was first a
quarterbacks coach for a junior college, then offensive assistant for two years
at USC. Went to the raiders as a QB coach for one year, then returned back to
USC as assistant head coach. 2007 was in the running for the head coach, when he
stayed as asst head coach, then moved to the off. coordinator. What
does Doman have that qualifies him as the off. coordinator? Does he really know
how to work with quarterbacks? How long has he been a quarterbacks coach?
the visual I'll remember most is Jake ducking for cover against Utah and
fumbling the ball into the end zone, it looked like a little brother flinching
when his big brother pretended he was going to his him, hahahah, thanks for that
UW has Price, Montana and incoming Mercer Island QB, so they are set for years
to come. WSU has a talented freshmen in Holladay, so it won't be easy to be
the starter in either of those schools. Jake is going to find increased
competition in any of the top universities. Wishing him the best, but the
challenge is going to be greater outside than competing in Provo. Tough Road
going forward for Jake.
Sorry BYU Alumni and Fans but this current problem of departure starts with your
Coaching Staff and to be honest Doman isn't exactly what Dick Harmon made him
out to be a year ago.For the Nelson Family, thank you for showing
your maturity level! But nothing surprises me if it's coming out of BYU!! So
many fans claim that they're reverent and respectful, I beg to differ!!Good luck to Heaps and I would be thrilled to see him land somewhere that he
will have to face BYU and under the right Coach, he'll run up the
score.........ohhhh the score!
I heard a fan in section K turned to another fan and said, "Good
afternoon" but I don't know if it is true or not.
Why blame Riley for Jakes lack of team leadership just look at the offensive
production when Jake was the starter how many games were won and lost now
compare that to when Riley was the starter Jake would have been better off
staying with the Y in my opinion but what Jake has to learn is he is not above
any other team member sure he could be a great qb but from what we have seen
here at Byu he is very unwilling to do whats best for the team from what I have
seen is he has two Wide outs that he mainly throws to Hoffman and Apo Riley
spreads the field and uses his whole arsenal I have nothing against Jake but he
needs to realize he will get no where with the attitude that he doesnt have to
earn his spot and there is no reason to blame Doman for this he man'd up and
said he messed up early on and fixed the offense and look how many points and
yards the O has produced so far and he would have tweaked the O to fit Jake just
like he did for Riley
Point 4: For those who think BYU should drop football and concentrate on
academics and other activities consistent with their mission, you truly don't
understand the unbelievable power of successful sports teams and all-star BYU
alums in fulfilling BYU and the sponsoring church's mission. Just like Vocal
Point on The Sing Off, you can't buy positive press like that. Jimmer, Lavell,
Ainge, Dave Rose, and all the others are great stories that allow people around
the world to ask more about BYU and the church. Having a successful football or
basketball team IS fulfilling the mission of the school.
Point 1: Brandon Doman has done a mediocre job at best as offensive coordinator
and did not have his act together from the start this season. He is going to be
schooled by other experienced offensive coordinators for some time to come.
That certainly had an impact on how effective Heaps was this year.Point 2:
Heaps should have red-shirted a full year up front and then should have been
brought on more slowly, but he apparently doesn't have the maturity to
understand that given his decision to bail and start over somewhere else.Point 3: Heaps has the strongest arm I've ever seen at BYU, as evidenced by
how quickly and how high the ball sails over his receiver's head on a regular
basis. If he was completing passes to open receivers when he had the chance, he
would still be the starting quarterback.
#1 SLC fan:Quit inferring that the BYU football program should be
dropped...I think you're just a Ute who doesn't like to see BYU
Good luck to you, young Mr. Heaps. You'll need a dose of it as there will
certainly be no easy road ahead. Regarding the Nelson incident: If
there is any truth to it at all, who amongst any of you have not let slip some
errant comment that, no sooner having crossed your lips, you would not give
anything to gather back. Also, I have read much, much worse and more harsh and
pointed commentary than "why aren't you cheering now?" toward both the
Nelson family and Riley individually from the mission recruiting scene to
present. Bottom line, everyone needs to be a little more forgiving and
compassionate, everyone. This is just a game, after all.
i have always been a fan of harmon even while many on these forums ridicule
him.but i don't understand the motive for including speculative
accusations that do nothing but damage byu, heaps, and nelson. i
thought harmon was above this. anything for ratings?
The truth is ... Riley performed. Heaps did not.I really, really
wanted Heaps to be the guy.But, if you can't hit your receivers,
then you cannot remain as the guy.
I would never advise anyone to play QB at BYU. There is sooo much politics
beyond the normal team politics that goes on there. Kid just chose the wrong
school for his development.
Hi class fanbase we have.
Were parts of this article removed? Stay classy dnews, stay classy.
Mmars01Better being 6th in the PAC-12, then in nothing place of
I'm am sooooooooooo happy Heaps left BYU. He was not a good quaterback. A very
selfish, over-rated individual and thinks he is the best. My hope is that my
Washington Huskies won't take him. That will be a big mistake for coach
Sarkisian. In previous comments I stated that getting rid of Heaps, Doman and
Mendenhall will help the Y become better. I like Nelson and now hope Doman and
Mendenhall will follow Heaps out of the Y.
To: Maryland Cougar,No doubt that luck plays a part in all games. My
point was that Riley Nelson gave life to the cougs but he didn't win the game
for them, that was the luck of the bounce...providence...divine
intervention..whatever you want to call it. My biggest issue is that I believe
a new offensive coordinator, lack of patience, poor qb coaching and play calling
lead to this decision. I saw it happen with the Utes when they did the same
thing to a qb from Montana...can't remember his name, but he became second
string and ended up in the NFL as a backup qb. I think Heaps could have done
very well at the Y if all parties involved had a little more patience. If Heaps
starts during the weak schedule that BYU had the last 2/3's of the season BYU
still wins those games. It didn't matter that it was Nelson. We saw that
Nelson is a fair D1 qb by his performance against the only decent team he played
against, TCU. He was terrible in that game. Patience is the answer, something
cougar fan doesn't have.
It's obvious that it takes two to tango -#1 so let's just all agree that the
coaches miss handled Heaps from the get go, they should have red shirted the kid
from day one, this year would actually be his redshirt freshman year and heaps
wouldn't be leaving the program. #2 Heaps showed that he could beat the weaker
teams but struggled mightily in the big games, but to his credit which this is
on the coaching staff, Doman is a new O' coordinator he didnt know what he was
doing the 1st 5 weeks of course the team struggled, So did he!But this
does not excuse Heaps from being a complete mental migit out there. I remember
Max Hall cheap shotting stephenson sylvester after throwing a pick, what does
heaps do? runs away from the Ol' Miss safety running down the sidelines after
picking him off, his body language looked like he was the one carrying the ball
not wanting to get hit. The fact is Heaps was too young to have expected so much
and Mendenhall should have known better. Heaps should be the QB in 2013 &
2014 when we field our best teams now he's gone.
I for one am glad the season is over. There was enough drama and heart-ache
this season to last more than one life-time. The real issue is not Jake, a BCS
bowl game or even the embarrassing loss to Utah. The issue is next November.
If the athletic department at BYU puts together another mushy schedule like they
did this for this season, then the program is in trouble.
@ Menace,Wait, sorry, my bad, tied for 6th place.
@Menace...."This line is strange:"Utah has
never been an option."This isn't about Utah, it's about BYU.
Why the obsession with Utah to bring them up in an article that has zero to do
with them? Very Little Brother of Cougar fan."Seriously? This
point was first mentioned by 1320 KFAN dj's, a Gordon Monson article, and
possibly other media as a possible option if Heaps transferred way back before
he actually notified anyone he was. The reason they brought this up was because
Hayes was starring for the u while beating collegiate giants such as Washington
St. or Oregon St. or powerhouse AZ. It didn't come from a cougar fan. Get off
your fifth place PAC 12 high horse and give it a rest.
Fans with Aggie blood can sometimes be pretty inconsiderate.
To: PaulMax @ 6:56 pmThat was the most ludicrous statement I have
read on any of these posts. To blame Doman and Nelson's for ruining Jake's
career is an absolute joke. Wow, just amazing what goes on in mind of the
typical Ute troll.
Speaking of unforgiving fans I sure heard alot of boo-birds up at RES during the
Colorado debacle. I guess the FUSS er MUSS really are special.
@ Veritas" I have no reason to doubt Mrs. Heap's claim, and have
found no reason not to believe that classless behavior could seep down from
Logan, at least based upon the body of work posted from the "Riley
Fanbase" represented in this column.Personally, I would rather
Riley stayed at USU, than bring the "Classless Crew" with
him."______________Seriously, why all the hate on people
from Logan? I seriously doubt you know the Nelson family at all, but yet you
project your disdain for "Loganites" to the Nelson family. In case you
haven't noticed, there are some classless fans at every university--including
BYU.Riley Nelson competed and won the starting position as QB. Yet
many of the irrational Heaps fans blame Nelson for Jake's decision to leave. Do
you really expect Riley to just lie down and say, " No, Coach, Jake has
aspirations to go to the NFL and I don't want to stand in his way?" Come
on, get real.I really wish Heaps would stay. There is no question he
has potential. But I have to agree with the coaches' decision--right now, Nelson
at QB is what is best for the team.
This line is strange:"Utah has never been an option."This isn't about Utah, it's about BYU. Why the obsession with Utah to
bring them up in an article that has zero to do with them? Very Little Brother
of Cougar fan.
Wow, Dick and I agree for once! He's better off staying in the program! My
thoughts are this, he is throwing a potential NFL career OUT THE WINDOW, by
transferring!!! Chances are you won't hear his name again, except as a back-up!
He is making a HUGE MISTAKE, and Brandon could and would TWEEK things to fit him
in TWO YEARS after a redshirt year. However it is HIS LOSS, not our's, and that
is the sadest thing about it! Going to play at South Carolina would be a huge
mistake, his confidence will be shattered after Mr. Heisman Coach gets through
ripping him, benching him, putting him back in, and playing with his mind! USC,
he'll sit the bench with the deep recruiting they have, however it might be a
good place for him? I'd go to a Run and Shoot program like SMU and there he
could flourish I think? Whatever he does, I wish him well, and pray he keeps his
Testamony, The QB Mill at BYU can be very tough. As for the Nelson Family Fans
who "Taunted" Heap's bride? SHAME ON THEM!!! Riley Is A Class Act,
at orgeon ute how many tds were off of ute helmets 2 I believe and you want to
talk about lucky I support both but it goes both ways
I believe that if Jake would have been patient, and developed in the system and
learned the system he could have become a good quarterback, because he has a
great arm and is technically excellent. But physical talent and technical
superiority are not the only variables that leads to greatness. The competitive
fire that Nelson has is what makes him superior to Heaps, even though Jake is
superior mechanically and physically superior. Some would like to
blame Jake's lack of success on the Brandon Doman. I believe that Brandon
through his conservative play calling has been very careful to not expose Jake
to situations where he might fail. When he set him up to throw long passes,
which would seem to be an obvious strength for Jake, very seldom did he and his
receivers make a connection. But truth be told, time after time,
Jake made bad decisions, overthrew receivers, rifled passes that should have
been finessed in, stared down potential receivers, and generally failed to move
the offense in crucial situations. I don't blame the coaches for benching Jake
for Riley. But just because he was benched, doesn't mean he should have quit.
The alleged incident between Heaps' wife and Nelson's relatives is very telling.
It shows that Heaps was never really about the "team." And most of
us, who watched him play, suspected as much. If any other schools want such a
player and can instill an attitude of team first, more power to them.
Who cares if Jake Heaps leaves, does it really matter?
idabluIdaho Falls, ID"MiP:As Amorphous so eloquently
stated, there are SEVERAL people posting here that can attest that the entire
Nelson family (except Riley) were at a high school game."===Serious, the entire Nelson family?That claim has got to be harder
to document than what Mr. Harmon claimed. So, LoganBlu, you can account for his
cousins, and extended family? I have no reason to doubt Mrs. Heap's claim, and
have found no reason not to believe that classless behavior could seep down from
Logan, at least based upon the body of work posted from the "Riley
Fanbase" represented in this column.Personally, I would rather
Riley stayed at USU, than bring the "Classless Crew" with him.If you feel the need to disrespect a young lady, man up, admit it, and
stop with the spin.
I wonder if Jake would have stayed until the end of the regular season (and then
announce his departure immediately after) if the season finale had been a game
at Wyoming instead of Hawai'i. Curious that he was so certain of his decision
and clearly without the commitment to help the team to the end for the bowl
game. If his heart was no longer in it, he could have foregone that trip to
devote even more attention to his academics. Out of curiosity, I have heard of
immediately family members traveling with the team to games. Are they paid for
cjf | 8:49 a.m. Dec. 6, 2011Salt Lake City, UTNelson's family (not
his mom and dad) were observed yelling down at Brooke...In tears, Brooke
witnessed the victory but never attended another BYU game."-------------BYU fans are ruthless! We were only able to make Max
I'm disappointed, I really hoped to see Jake push himself and the University to
success. I only wish the best for him. That being said, his decision to
transfer is puzzling. Ostensibly he doesn't want to red-shirt, but by
transferring he is doing just that. As I see it there can only be two possible
reasons for leaving: A)He no longer has confidence in the coaches or in his
ability to receive their confidence, or B)He doesn't think he can compete with
the incoming talent. Of those two scenarios it is impossible to believe that a
guy like Heaps doubts his own ability to compete, so I have to assume that he
has lost confidence in the coaches to either develop his talent or give him a
fair shake. IMHO un-true on both counts, but he has a better seat than I do,
I'll defer to his judgement. All that being said, a lot has been made of BYU
blowing this opportunity. Possibly, but it's probably at least equally likely
that another factor is true. An individual's talent quite often doesn't
transfer between levels of play; see Ben Olsen and Ryan Leaf as examples.
I don't see a lot of people mad that jake is leaving. I like most
say, Good Luck Jake.
MiP:As Amorphous so eloquently stated, there are SEVERAL people posting
here that can attest that the entire Nelson family (except Riley) were at a high
school game. Another poster sitting right behind Mrs Heaps the whole game claims
no such thing was said to her. So yeah, there is a lot of reason to doubt Dick's
account.My point is what does Dick accomplish by printing that
snippet, even if he thought it were true? Unless he personally witnessed it, it
is very inflammatory and could land him in serious hot water.
A little inconspicuous comparison has been overlooked amid the tidal wave of
analysis, commentary and discussion that have washed over the newsprint,
airwaves and internet blogs over the past 24 hours. It is this:Riley as a high schooler made, and later as a collegian broke, a commitment of
honor to play for a school (Utah State), just like Jake did to BYU.It's a game people. Just a game. Save your pious judgments of this player or
that player or this parent, or that coach, for matters of consequence, like the
federal debt, world peace or something.
So.....how about that placekicker?
Will Dick Harmon step up to the plate and clear things up, or will he just
continue to be BYU's number one cheerleader?
What makes anyone think Heaps could march right over to Washington and unseat
Joe Montana, Jr.??
Hope he grows up and both he and his wife learn to handle the pressure! If he
does perform in college and makes it to the nfl he better not go to Philly or
someplace where fans have little patience and high expectations or his career
will be short-lived. Blue chip, big ego, average qb at executing, poor leader
and a huge disappointment pretty much sums it up in a nutshell!
"One big part of Heaps' decision is BYU's change in philosophy since he was
recruited. Offensive coordinator Brandon Doman likes a mobile quarterback as
shown by the energy brought by Nelson."Really Dick? Is that
why Heaps was the starter at the start of the season? Maybe Doman and the
coaches just like a qb that produces.Here is a snippet form an
article titled "No qb controversy this year as cougars know who will lead
them into fall camp""A year ago, two completely different
quarterbacks ran an offense that required tailoring to each of their respective
talents, trained by splitting time. Today it is one offense and one set of
skills using all the time to polish BYU's arsenal, timing and execution."
Guess who wrote that? Yup, Dick Harmon. Looks to me like according to Dick BYU
changed the offense to tailor to Heaps' skills. The change to Nelson came when
Heaps just wasn't getting the job done. Let's not blame the transfer on a
change of philosophy shall we?
This Heaps-Nelson thing has been way over-analyzed. See-saw battles for the
starting position go on all the time for all 22 offensive and defensive
positions - plus special teams kicking, receiving, kicker, punter, etc., in
football. One guy achieves the starting position the first part of the season;
then another guy overtakes him and becomes the starter. It happens all the
time. Coaches yank poor-pefroming starters and put in the 2nd string guy game
after game all over the country. What is the big deal? Jake earned the starter
spot start of the year: no controversy. Jake plays poorly in Utah State game,
so poorly that it was universally agreed that Nelson had to go in. Nelson
rescued the game. Nelson the former 2nd stringer wins the starter position.
This would not be news for any other position struggle. That's all that
happened here. The rest is speculation. Why Jake could not hack this reality of
college football, is of little consequence. He could not hack it; end of story.
Nelson has the job unless and until he performs poorly enough to warrant
putting the next guy. The rest is over-analysis
See what you did here, Dick?Look at all the silly, blind comments
from people who apparently either can't read or just more comfortable believing
your unsubstantiated rumor than witnesses as to the Nelson family whereabouts
during this game. The Nelsons are now villains because you asserted they
Most of the 126 posts here this morning and yesterday afternoon are F+ work....
Come on people! Surely you are better than your ludicrous rants prove you to
be.... Then, maybe you aren't... Afterall, most of you do cheer for the U and
others may as well since you are as valuable to the Cougars as a hole in a bag
is to the contents trying to be stored within.
I was very sad to hear the news. I really like Jake Heaps both as a person and a
player, and believe he had the potential to be one of the best ever at BYU.BYU's coaching staff has already made it's mind up about what it
"wants to be when it grows up." It wants a mobile quarterback who can
run. It wants an even balance between running and passing. They believe in
running to open up the pass - the opposite of BYU's tradition.This
is not the BYU-of-old, Pass-U, the exciting offense where we passed all the
time, and used the pass to open up the run. The situation is what it is, and
those of us who wish our offense were more like Mike Leach's (and he based his
pass-happy program off of LaVell Edward's scheme) or the BYU-of-old simply need
to get over it.Footnote: We gave Jake "three yards and a cloud
of dust" and "dink and dunk" playcalling in the first half of the
Texas game, and particulary in the red zone, and then who took the blame for the
loss? Not the playcallers.
Veritas Aequitas, Maybe you should look into Nelson a little bit and realize
he's going to be a doctor. Chevron? Really? Is that where you get your
colonoscopies done? He's at least worked his tail off in the classroom without
complaining when he didn't start.
An earlier comment stated that Heaps will be successful wherever he goes and he
will enjoy an NFL career while "Nelson enjoys selling cell phones in
Provo." I thought I should point out that Nelson is in several of my O Chem
and Biology classes and will be applying to medical school at the end of the
school year. Wherever he ends up, he won't be selling cell phones.
MiP,You selectively single out idablu's comment and ask for proof?
The Nelson's, and any family remotely close to them were ALL in Logan that
night, as has been pointed out copiously in many comments that would
substantiate idablu's assertion. Ignoring all the relevant comments
regarding the Nelsons? That's denial!
What I don't understand is why other players wouldn't play for Heaps because he
didn't treat them the way they wanted to be treated. I thought it was the
responsibility of any player on the team, especially those on scholarship, to
play as hard as they can in every circumstance. I would like to know why Bronco
would tolerate such an attitude in the other players? I don't get it. They
should have been playing hard no matter who the quarteback was.
idablu "Dick Harmon:It sounds to me like the accusation
against the Nelson family is not going to hold water." Where's
your proof, idablu? Again, when Brooke Heaps says it, it's a lie, when Max Hall
says it, it needs no substantiation.That's denial.
It matters because if it isn't true it shouldn't be reported. Riley's family
was at the Logan/Sky View game where their other two sons were starters.
Riley wasn't even expected to play in the USU/BYU game. It seems
that there is a history of BYU fans, and in particular BYU spouses, who are a
little too paranoid to what goes on in stadiums.
I actually think Heaps will end up at Eastern Washington in a high flying and
innovative offense. At the lower subdivision he wouldn't have to sit out a year
either. He would also be closer to family.
What does it matter where Riley's parents were?I believe the story
stated "members of Nelson's family (not his mom and dad) were observed
yelling down at Brooke, "Why aren't you cheering now?"The
bottom line, Brooke knows what she knows, and as his wife, is a major part of
his decision making now. Doman not speaking to Jake for 2 months.
The kid is 5 years older than my 15 year old daughter! Sounds like Doman is a
pretty solid mentor.Good luck Jake. I'm sure many of us will be
following you somewhere in the pros if Bronco is right, and Riley's family will
be cheering his progress at Chevron or some wireless provider in a few years.Classless way to treat a kid that committed to BYU.
I think something which was overlooked by Dick Harmon in his article, and which
would have made it much more plausible, is that just possibly Mrs. Heaps was
upset by the chants of the entire crowd--not denigrating her husband, but
excited about what was occurring on the field once Riley Nelson entered the
game. It's easy to place blame, even where it does not belong, in order to
justify hurt feelings. Mr. Harmon should have been more responsible in his
reporting, and remembered a little more accurately the atmosphere in Cougar
Stadium that night in late September. Instead, he chose to try to sully a
respectable family's reputation in order to write a sensational article.
So basically, it's the fault of everyone else BUT Jake Heaps? Jake
Heaps has no responsibility whatsoever.This is a fun game! If he was
a success, it would be because he was so great. But since he's
stunk, it's Bronco's, Doman's, his teammates's, and even the fans's fault.
I don't ever want to pile on someone who is down. The only discouraging thing
for me is when Nelson was playing QB after Heaps was benched. Riley was going
out of bounds and got hit downstairs. He was down on the sideline for a second.
Trainers came over and the look on Heaps face was so happy and giddy to get in
the game. Look I know athletes are 1 play away from going down but to be happy
and giddy when a fellow teammate goes down shows a lot about your character.
Yes he is in the game and yes he can be happy but not at the cost of a teammate.
Bronco ended up calling timeout and Jake never went in anyway. Jake went back
to pouting on the sidelines. No one can say that BYU doesn't play with more
heart or pride than when Riley is in with his team. His leadership is
contagious. Just wish Heaps could have learned that!! Good Luck Jake! as a Utah
fan I wish you and your family well!!
As a true blue fan I read Harmon's column regularly, and usually with pleasure,
but this is troubling to me that he, first of all, reports the accusation
against Nelson's "family (not his parents)" of deriding Brooke Heaps
(are we talking about little brothers, Dick? Uncles? Aunts? Cousins?
Grandparents?) If you're going to report it, better to be sspecific, so the
accused can make their defense. Secondly, the report has been
contradicted multiple times in these boards. Is there no clarification
forthcoming? Was Brooke Heaps brought to tears by teenage boys' taunts? I
realize she's probably still a teenager herself, or just barely out of her
teens, so it's hard for her to have perspective. But if the Heaps family is
BCS/NFL bound, she will need a thicker skin. It's a tough field out there. BYU
fans should be among the best fans, and i wish they were. But no one can accuse
them of being among the worst. When we fail, if we have in this
case, let's be fair and give details, not hints and innuendo.
part 2:Riley Nelson is older and has been through his own controversy and
regardless of whether he was lucky vs USU, the team changed when he went in.
Yes he has faults but all quarterbacks do but he brings enthusiasm and
leadership to the team...you can see he has earned the respect and even with
passing, he has spread the ball around despite having his go to guys. He
reminds me of Tebow, lots of criticism for his mechanics and blah blah blah, but
he loves the game and despite the criticism, leads the team to win...but wait
the Denver defense is winning those games...even if that is true, they changed
the way they played when Tebow became the QB. This is the same for Nelson. Why
blame anyone when a leader steps up and the whole team tries harder. I wish we
could just want the best for all the players and coaches instead of trying to
dwell on what we don't know. Just enjoy the moments and then cheer again the
next year and the next, that is what a fan does. A true fan enjoys and supports
and builds the team!
Not all things work out like we want. Ben Olsen needed to change as many
athletes do. There will be a team that needs Jake's talents and BYU will move
on with their backlog of quarterbacks. No need to rip on either side. It must
have been hard for Jake these past two years and perhaps he was somewhat shell
shocked in earlier games. It seems to me there was a Covey qb that also was
shell shocked that made way for Ty Detmer to move forward. Things happen and
one hopes that the player can continue to grow. As for Bronco, what a good job
he does and why rip on him for comments he makes about how he likes the grit and
determination in Riley Nelson. I think with all the media attention, he was
forced to hand the keys to Jake, ready or not. I think though that when Jake
was benched, he had an opportunity to see how a QB can motivate a team just like
Jake did in High School.
Anyone who is just reading this article better hurry and print it out so you can
understand all the changes that have been made by Dick since it was first put
online! Otherwise, you will not understand all the comments on this page.
suzcnoorWow I guess you do not fallow The Logan Grizz very close at
all. You are from Logan, all you need to do to obtain facts about the presents
of the Nelson family is simply ask your fellow Logan High fans if the Nelson
attended the Grizz vs. Bobcat game. Verify before you vilify, advice
Dick needs to heed.
Any good legitimate Newspaper reporter can back up their story with sources and
facts. Dick Harmon has changed his story on line at least 3 times.
Is this a Newspaper or an internet rumor rag.Dick
Harmon, What are Brittney and Paris up to?
Good luck to Jake; and thanks for your efforts to save the 2010 season.It's unfortunate the Cougs did not have a junior or senior QB ready to start
in 2010 and they had to throw Jake to the wolves; but maybe the opportunity to
start early is a factor that attracted him.I've had opportunity to
do a little youth sports coaching in my life, often the most difficult people to
deal with are the parents. I have great respect for BYU sports coaching staffs
acrosss the board and for the administrators who select those coaches.Unfortunately, this situation has a divorce-type flavor. There's blaming
,accusation, hearsay, etc. some of it valid, some of it not valid. It's best to
give it up, move on, and trust that things will work out as they should. Pray
for healing.And good luck to Riley in the bowl game and in leading
the Cougs to a great season in 2012.
@PP"Best line of the article "Utah was never an option".
The Utes should get used to that phrase."----That's
because players who feel they are entitled to respect they don't earn won't make
one day at Utah. Jake probably knows that.
To write about Nelson's family supposedly yelling anything to anyone is
journalistic irresponsibility! Even if such comments were made, how would anyone
know they were directed at Heaps' wife?Nice, Dick!
"Jake's wife Brooke watched her husband get benched as BYU trailed late
against Utah State. As his replacement Riley Nelson sparked a Cougar comeback,
several rows behind her, members of Nelson's family (not his mom and dad) were
observed yelling down at Brooke, "Why aren't you cheering now?"In tears, Brooke witnessed the victory but never attended another BYU
game."-----------Wow. Classless. Simply classless.
If someone heckled Heaps' wife, that's pretty low. Has anyone verified that it
truly happened? If not, it sounds like Max Hall's "claim" about his
family getting beer poured on them at Rice Eccles. Just like Hall claimed the
same thing happened at Arizona when he was a freshman at ASU. Nice sound bites,
but no collaborative proof.
As someone who is familiar with the 'Nelson family'. I have a very difficult
time buying in to the fact that they would yell down at Heaps' wife in such a
derogatory and demeaning fashion.Shame on you for feeling the need to add
in such an inflammatory statement.You sound like a rag mag with that.
For those of you accusing Jake Heaps of being a Prima Donna, I would like to
point out that through this entire episode he has never said a bad word about
anyone in the BYU program and has been supportive of his coaches and team. He
has taken responsibility for his shortcomings and when called upon after being
benched played well. That is not what Prima Donnas do. You cannot blame him for
wanting to get a new start. When things go bad, everyone blames the QB, even
though the type of offense the Cougars started the year out with depended upon a
run game to work. If anyone happened to be paying attention, the blue chip line
and running backs could not get out of their own way. Pretty tough for a play
action passing game to work when there is no threat of the running game. Yet the
coaches gave up on the sophomore QB. I have two daughters attending the Y. I
hope they never have to endure the kind of treatment Jake Heaps and his young
wife have had to endure. If they do, I hope they show as much class. Good Luck
Big time Blue Chip High School recruits fail in big time college football all
the time. Hundreds every year dont make the grade it is very common. Heaps is
just another one. Hes just not that good.Im not being mean. Its just
I bet the very BYU fans that are saying that the alleged classless taunts from
Nelson's family are completely false and unsubstantiated are most likely the
very fans that believe that Max Hall's allegations about Utah fans were 100%
It's sad that anyone would disparage the wife of a player in public at a game,
and if that anecdote is true then it's probably a big reason why Heaps would
transfer. I wouldn't want my wife to be publicly humiliated like that
either.BYU fans can be brutal to their own. This his not something
to be proud of. I hope Heaps finds success somewhere he can be happy.Go Cougs!
I wish Heaps could have blossomed at the Y. Quarterback is a tough
position and he will be questioned wherever he goes unless he is a Heisman
candidate.I hope he can make it somewhere else and hope to see him
in the NFL someday. I also hope Taysom Hill is as good as advertised.Go Cougars!
2 comments:1. Everyone got on the Riley Nelson bandwaggon after the Utah
State game. That game was won by a deflected Nelson pass into the arms of a Y
receiver...luck not Riley.2. Heaps played the tough part of the
schedule with a new offensive coordinator who self admittedly tried to do too
much with the offense when he came on. If Heaps plays the easy part of the
schedule the results for the Y are the same. Nelson showed what he does against
good or decent competition during the TCU game, he was terrible. Heaps ended up
the scapegoat for a new offensive coordinator who didn't know what he was doing
during the tough part of the schedule. Patience from the fans and the coaches
would have served Heaps and BYU better. Heaps will go on to play with an OC who
knows how to handle his abilities. In the end, I believe, this will be a huge
DBits was spot on about the taunting on Brook which was a no no. Love your
neighbor.Jake, don't go to SEC country, it will be a mistake which
they will run you over.I am not a big usc but they will protect you
at the line. Maybe Washington will forgive you and will pick you up.Lastly, don't talk about NC stuff, don't be scare and be a robot. Start
learning to work hard like out at a farm a military boot camp and good luck
along with your young family. Merry Christmas.
I find it interesting that so many in the media view Jake's leaving as a
coaching problem. How quick many are to forget that Jake rarely showed up for
summer work-outs. How quickly we forget that Jake played completely gutless. I
lost all respect for him as a player when he threw the pick-6 at Ole Miss, and
actually ran away from the player who interecepted the errant pass that he
threw. All Jake had to do was make a little contact with that player, and he
would have been tackled. At the Utah game, it was very clear that Jake was
afraid to take a hit--almost curling up in the fetal position when defense
players came towards him. How quickly we forget that Jake never really learned
to be a quarterback. He continually locked into one receiver, and whether in
double or triple coverage, he would try to zing the ball in there no matter
what. How quickly we forget that just because a young man was a stand out in
High School does't mean he will make it in College. Jake doesn't have the work
ethic or moxy to play at this level.
Amazing how few people understand Football.Bottom line. Jake could
not and Did Not perform on the field. Jake, Just like everyone kid
on the field if you don't perform in games you get benched.
I'd like to know how Brooke knows for sure that it was Riley's family who were
taunting her. Riley's parents weren't doing it. Riley has little brothers and
they might have behaved badly. However, I'm not sure if it is possible to know
for sure where it was coming from.I think if Jake had been a little
more mature, he might have decided to stay and work through his problems. Going
somewhere else won't make him any more mature, more experienced or able to take
the pressure. He should have redshirted and worked through it. They would have
helped him through it. I wish him well, but he's not necessarily
going to solve his problems by going somewhere else.
The # 1 quarterback recruit in the nation two years ago and BYU couldn't make it
work. Jake Heaps is no different than the likes of Ty Detmer, Mark Wilson, Jim
McMahon, Gifford Nielsen, on and on and on who couldn't run or move but were
great quarterbacks. UMMMM! Maybe a offensive coordinator needs a little
training. Once a quarterback at BYU does not mean he has enough experience to
be a Offensive coordinator. The system must fit the quarterback not the
quarterback fitting the system. Not all QB's have the same talent. Adjust or
you might get beat by Idaho State.
Anyone that yelled at Heap's wife or any other family member is classless. I
wish Jack well, and hope he has great success.
What blows my mind about the BYU haters that post here, is that they actually
think they play in a good league. The south div of the PAC 12 is no better that
the teams BYU has played this year. The Utes have played in more BCS games
already than they will play in in the naxt 20 years. What has BCS membership
meant to WSU or Colorado. Nothing. So get over yourselves BYU haters. You are
on a downward spiral.Oh, by the way, I hope Jake does well whereever he
ends up. I will be a fan for as long as he plays, on all levels.
Dick, back up your comments. Logan High School had a football game the night
of the USU/BYU game. It would make sense that the majority of the Nelson
family (if not all) were at the Logan game supporting their other son who was
starting in that game. Riley was a back-up in the USU game with little chance
to play. What Nelson's were at the BYU game? Doesn't make sense. Shame on
you for telling that story becase it can't be true.
QB's who found greener pastures with different coaches and schemes:Troy Aikman -- Oklahoma to UCLA -- College HOF, 3 Super Bowl victories, NFL
HOFSteve Young -- Tampa Bay to San Francisco, Super Bowl MVP, 2-Time NFL
MVP, NFL HOFJim Plunkett -- Patriots to 49ers to Raiders, Heisman, 2 Super
Bowl Victories with RaidersAlex Smith -- OC, OC, OC, OC, OC, OC, Harbaugh,
just clinched Division ChampionshipGood luck, Jake Heaps. Good
What's up with Harmon bagging on Riley's family? If it were true, or even
important, it sure wasn't developed at all. A few sentences to create drama.
Harmon might just have attention issues. Squirril!!Good luck Riley.
Good luck Jake.
Reading COMPREHENSION -- it is fundamental, folks:"As his
replacement Riley Nelson sparked a Cougar comeback, several rows behind her,
members of Nelson's family (NOT HIS MOM AND DAD) were observed yelling down at
Brooke, "Why aren't you cheering now?"Why do I find this
both troubling and believable. IF this happened, and I think it did, it
would've happened in the same section other player's family/friends were sitting
in. Someone should've shut them up, other should've supported Heap's wife. It
isn't anti-team to be disappointed for your husband.Believable?
Many years ago another Cougar QB was struggling and got sacked pretty hard. A
fan not far from me yelled, "I hope he's hurt." Really? You hope
someone, anyone is hurt? I yelled back, "What if that was your son?"
and the fans around yelled at ME. I, a Cougar fan, am never surprised when a
Cougar fan -- or fan of any other school -- lacks class.
I agree with Harmon's last idea. Heaps has underestimated how hard it's going
to be to get started in a new place. Heaps needs to take some responsibility for
his poor performance this year. He was the one pressing, he's the one who
doesn't know how to relate to teamates, he's the one who couldn't move an
offense, he's the one who would throw to Apo only. I wish him the
best of luck, but he still has a lot of growing up to do.
This debacle was the fault of Bronco, the BYU culture (thank you Mr. Harmon for
admitting that, and Heaps. Truthfully, Heaps should never have played this year.
He should have left after his freshman year. BYU (and especially Bronco) was
never fully invested in Heaps. Nelson has always been Bronco's first choice.
Bronco allowed the locker room to dictate the direction of the program in
absentia of the coach. I wish Heaps well. He needs to be in a place that can
develop his skill set. Personally, I will not root for Nelson. He used his
mission to further his own selfish football legacy and that disgusts me. Heaps
conduct has been far more ethical. I hope Lark is as good as we all think
because with Heaps leaving the team is going to need him. Hopefully Bronco will
not turn on Lark, or allow the locker room to follow his lead as they did with
Heaps. In the end, a clean break was the only solution. I doubt Bronco will even
give it a second thought. He has preferred Nelson for over a year. Now he can
admit it freely, openly. Heaps will be better off.
"Utah was never an option." True statement but classic Harmon spin.
Utah's quarterback prospects for 2012 are very bright. Heaps is damaged goods,
a prima donna - the antithesis of a tough Whitingham/Utah type of football
player. Utah can only hope Heaps ends up at another PAC12 school as he executes
submarine like countermeasures by fumbling the football away from himself in
order to protect his mythical NFL contract. No thanks Jake, Utah's not remotely
interested - best of luck.
My thoughts:1. Jake came into the program with an ego, hence the
press conference. Bronco should have gone with Nelson as starter last season
and told Jake that players have to earn the right to start.2. Has a
first-year OC, I think Doman should have focused solely on learning how to be an
OC and let someone else handle the QB's.3. Despite any mistakes
made by coaches, Jake was given the starting job with an offense built around
him. Bottom line, if you can't hit your open receivers and your afraid to get
hit, then you shouldn't be playing.
i missed it where Heaps just won the national championship. When did this
happen? He guaranteed a national championship while he played for byu....HA HA
HA HA and the fan base actually believed it!
Talk about exposure! Unfortunately for Heap's, his departure is a
combination of assumptions, bad decisions, mismanagement, and arrogance. And
there is enough blame to go around. But as in life, all responsibility
ultimately rises to the top. In this case Mendenhall. Shots can be taken at
Heaps, Doman, other teammates, etc., but the final responsibility for the team
belongs to the head coach. In Heap's case, this has been a well documented
comedy starting with last years two quarterback system. Mendenhall should have
manned up and made a decision prior to last season and stuck with it. I don't
pretend to be a coach, but rarely does a freshman QB have success. I suspect
Mendenhall yielded to the pressure that accompanied the hype. I don't blame
Heaps for quitting, because the cupboard looks well stocked for the future and
he apparently isn't interested in competing for the job. And if Mr. Harmon is
to be believed, a dubious assumption given the rebuttal posts about the Nelson
family, this disconnect between player and coach has been a long term issue. I
am sure there will be new articles that will now sing the praises of the unity
of the program now that the one bad apple is gone. But really, how long can the
facade be maintained? All players and coaches need to be clear on their rolls,
expectations, and accountability. Otherwise this program will continue in its
Hope the Cougs can get themselves pulled together for the Bowl in Texas. Tulsa's Golden Hurricane are already licking their lips. They will love
this distracting QB news.Today's Tulsa newspaper says, "Armed
Forces Bowl Could be Similar to 2007 Slugfest, where the Golden Hurricane
defeated BYU 55-47"
EdGrady | 11:12 p.m. Dec. 5, 2011 Idaho Falls, ID Hey Steve14:"Riley Nelson singel-handedly gave the game to TCU with his ridiculous
turnovers."Sorry, Ed, but you could just as easily say that
Riley single handedly kept BYU as close as it was, because his constantly
pushing the edge produced some pathetic mistakes but also some great
football.Whereas the kicking game, in all aspects, inexplicably had
no redeeming graces that night.
Heaps seems like a class act and I couldn't be more hopeful for him and his
wife. I found it interesting during the Utah State game, Nelson's hair was
clearly out of standards and was permitted to play on national television. It
makes me wonder about the kind of leadership Bronco is looking for? Riley
couldn't lead by example on something as simple as a haircut. If quarterback is
the most visible athletic role at BYU why would Bronco allow such flagrant
disregard for the honor code after such HUGE exposure with Davies. I am not
knocking Riley, I am just confused how Riley is considered the mature one by
Bronco when he showed a shocking amount of immaturity by letting his hair grow
out that much. It's not a big deal, but a guy aspiring to the most visible
position on the team would seem to require enough maturity to at least be ready
to reflect the honor code on TV. Match that with the report that Riley's family
was heckling Heaps wife (not intentionally...of course). Something tells me that
this might have to do more with charisma than maturity. Just a thought, not an
Will the other two players that attributed their selection of BYU leave with
Heaps? I doubt it as this not like when a Coach gets replaced. The questions
comes as to how BYU wasted its opportunity with such a highly valued high school
recruit. Will other recruits view BYU with disdain as they see how Heaps was
treated as Riley was transfer player. There is no question BYU's offensive
coordinator Doman differs from Anae and anyone thinking they were the same was
wrong as their offensive schemes are different starting with role of the
quarterback. Anae had a proven offensive record and was hired by Mendenhall.
Doman was promoted by Mendenhall. Hopefully Mendenhall knows what he is doing as
head coach as recruitment of blue chip high school players is tarnished as well
as hiring of offensive coordinator. What other changes will happen with BYU
football before next season is anyone's guess.
BYU alumThe Nelson family was not there, DJ plays qb for Logan High,
Chase starts at safety and special teams, Mom and Dad and all the in laws are
sitting watching the game in Logan High Stadium. Riley was not starting and the
Logan High Grizzlies are 4A juggernauts carving up the Bobcats from
Smithfield.No Nelson family member other then Riley attends BYU, and
no body planned on going down for the game because Riley was not going to
play.Heaps undermined himself with his inability to improve his
game, no Nelson make believe heckler determined that.This witch hunt
@EdGradyIt's true. Nelson made some bad, costly decisions in the TCU
game, but the special teams were equally culpable. Also you have to take
into consideration that Nelson was able to move the ball up and down the field
against TCU--something a BYU QB has been unable to do against TCU for the past 3
or 4 yrs.As a coach from a purely objective viewpoint, if you take
into consideration his passing and offensive statistics, leadership traits,
heart, toughness, and how well the team performs with him at the helm the choice
is obvious--Nelson.Nelson probably won't be a "great" BYU QB,
but he'll give you more wins than Heaps.
RaininTimeThanks for the insight and bringing reality back to
squabbling anonymous self-proclaimed experts who weren't even there.
I don't know Jake Heaps and neither do the rest of you. I would bet that no one
that has commented here has any first hand knowledge about how this came about
or why. (Same as the regular fools that say BYU is dropping sports - oh how I
wish you would take your dribble and go away).Here is what we do
know:BYU is bigger than any one player. Bigger than any one coach
and as time goes by new players will emerge and rise to the occasion while other
drop passes and miss great opportunities. That's what the game is about. Jake had the job at Ole Miss. Never seen a QB move slower or more
indecisive. He had chances at Texas. A win there and this season would be
entirely different. Lost to Utah and losing to Utah State.It never
appeared he had leadership quality. Maybe he did. Maybe he was an excellent
leader and everyone else around him failed. No idea - but it does not appear
that way.As for getting married at 20 and blowing off the summer it
shows a certain maturity level. I'll let you all decide which way that goes.
Hey Steve14:Riley Nelson singel-handedly gave the game to TCU with his
Dick Harmon:It sounds to me like the accusation against the Nelson
family is not going to hold water. Putting something like that in print, even if
you think your source is reliable is a huge gamble. Now what you have done
constitutes at best poor journalism, and at worst slander that could cost you
your job and/or a major lawsuit. A little advice from a fan of most
of your articles: Print a retraction ASAP and pull that paragraph from the
printed edition. I am sure the Nelsons would be forgiving if you did that.
Otherwise you're toast.
@ Ed Grady that was a stupid comment!
I love what Riley Nelson has done for BYU football. The kid is amazingly tough
-- as exhibited by his outstanding performance in Hawaii three weeks after
suffering cracked ribs and a partially collapsed lung. He is a winner as shown
with his unbelievable performance in leading the Cougars to a come from behind
victory against a good Aggie team. He is a great passer with the 7th highest
quarterback rating (163.6) in the entire country (Heaps quarterback rating is
106th nationally). He is a great runner -- Nelson was BYU's third leading
rusher for the season (only one yard behind Michael Alisa's season total). He
is fun, how about that high five to the ref in the TCU game? Yet he is
unassuming and self deprecating. Oh, and Riley has the best haircut on the
Jake has handled himself extremely well through what has doubtless been a
difficult situation. While I am sad to see him leave, I certainly wish him well.
Good luck, Jake!And as to Dick Harmon, I am disappointed he chose an
anecdote which casts a negative light on the Nelson family, and to a lesser
degree, Jake's wife. The episode, if indeed accurate, added nothing to the story
and is hurtful to both parties. I expect a higher standard and more sensitivity
from the Deseret News.At the end of the day, these are young men
trying their very best to compete in a fish bowl with suffocating scrutiny and
an army of critics waiting to pounce. Dick Harmon should not add to the
challenges they face.
ChumpleySLC Sports Fan has been spamming the same mistruths for
months. She doesn't have any sources other than her own unmitigated hatred of
all things BYU.
>For at least a month, Heaps has told some team members it didn't look like
he'd be at the bowl game Dec. 30 in Dallas.That's a deal-breaker
right there. Giving up before the season's even over. If Bronco knew, it's
surprising that he didn't boot him from the team at that point.
Is there anyway Doman can transfer and Heaps stay?
I blame a lot of this on ongoing media hype: Vai gave his two bits worth on Jake
leaving, Then came Rock with his blather. Dick Harmon, you told him to go and
now you are telling him he won't succeed wherever he goes. Blah, blah, blah.I watched him play every home game last year and some of this. Excellent
throwing arm, but didn't exhibit any real leadership and/or passion on the
field. He forfeited his summer of working and developing with teammates as a 20
year old to get married. I also think it is unfortunate for this
reporter to tell a story in third person about a family putting down his wife
without any concrete evidence. The Nelson family seem like nice people. How do
you know it wasn't just somebody sitting by them? Good luck, Jake.
We wish you well. I hope your find your perfect team. Sorry to hear that you
have been planning this for so long. We were planning to have you stay and
A few things:Is it possible that Nelson has other family members besides
those who were in Logan on that Friday night?Is it possible that Jake and
Brooke Heaps, and most of the S.L. media forgot to think in terms of the
"team" concept instead of themselves? (I remind everyone that the
media has agendas too, regardless of what they say to others).That said,
I'm having a hard time believing that anyone said, "Why aren't you cheering
now?" to Brooke Heaps. I was there that night and I know Brooke Heaps as I
sit behind her, and I mean right behind her, and I didn't hear anything like
that. Of course, I always buy items from the snack shack and could have missed
it, though I was there during all game-time play. On a personal note, my
mission felt like a mess, though I had several great experiences. I still think
my first mission president did more harm than good. He believed in a Ninja God
and I didn't. Hence, I have no problem with others choosing another path---and I
have had six sons serve missions, with one waiting in the wings.Utah fans
seem more miffed that Heaps has never considered the Utes, than the fact he is
transferring.The Jake Heaps' story is one that preaches the need for
success to come at a price. Success without a personal grueling price, isn't
really success at all, rather its a shell waiting to be cracked, and it will
easily be shattered.I am tired of all the Bronco Mendenhall hate, and now
Brandon Doman. Mendenhall has been right about his team, especially a BYU team,
all along....Pay a price, then you will win.I also think Brandon Doman
learned something about Brandon Doman, mainly that he hates recruiting high
school kids to BYU, rather than take the more mature approach of, "So, why
should we give you a D-1 scholarship to play for BYU and what price are you
willing to pay to be successful?"
With regard to the supposed-disparaging remarks from the Nelson family at the
BYU/USU game, Dick Harmon needs to do publicly apologize to them. I also
remember reading that they were in Cache Valley that night watching their
younger sons (#12 and #19 - notice Riley's wrist band) play rather than in
Provo. Dick Harmon needs to do better vetting of his sources. With
regard to Jake's wife, too bad she couldn't enjoy the win. Maybe she doesn't
know football is a team sport, either. Hopefully they will both enjoy some new
How does Doman's offensive scheme favor a running option? BYU's #1
and #2 QB's had different talents. When Jake failed to move the offense, Nelson
was brought in. He had the ability to be mobile, and the offense incorporated
that skill. If Heaps would have moved the offense, Nelson would
have never saw the light of day. Nelson was not moved up because he was mobile.
Nelson was moved up because he was able to move the offense.Munns
and Lark must be thrilled with this news. Lark is one play away from being the
starter in the next 14 games, and given how Nelson plays the probability of him
seeing action is very high. And Munns has a shot at being the starter his Sr
year. 2013 will be an interesting battle between Sr Munns vs Redshirt Freshmen
Hill and Olsen.If the comment about the Nelson family is not true,
Harmon owes the entire Nelson family a personal and public apology. And if
Brooke attached the Nelson name to a comment made by a random person, she owes
the Nelson family an apology also.I can't imagine Heaps succeeding
at USC or SCarolina. Go for Wazzuu or BSU.
Well Mr Harmon I hope you apologize to Riley Nelson and his family as fast as
you threw them under the bus. Just because fans in the stands can see better
results and then cheer for the results and Jake's wife gets her feelings hurt it
must be Riley's family. From what I saw it was the whole stadium.You start
out trying to build sympathy for Jake and make people feel bad about his
transfer. He got his chance and he didn't show up. Riley got his chance and ran
One more thing...Roger French was the long time offensive coordinator who led
the offense during the 'pass happy days.'In today's college football, the
successful teams have a good balance of run and pass, aks LSU, Alabama, and
South Carolina (had to throw them in there).
@patriot: Wow, take it easy. Take a step back and breath....there now. No one is
saying that BYU is going to go to the option. Pretty sure that they are saying
that they like QB's that can throw and are mobile. Many programs have success
with QB's that can get out of a tight spot and pick up a first down when needed
with their feet. Last year's Heisman trophy winner comes to mind. Mike Vick,
Steve Young, etc. Nothing against drop back passers at all. So you are saying
that BYU doesn't have a chance to be in the top 20 with a QB of this style? Wow,
doom and gloom! Heaps didn't take the program to a top 20. Perhaps if he'd have
stayed but now we wont know. BYU has other players in the pipeline. The program
is not built on 1 player. Guess what happened the year after Steve Young left
for the pros? National Championship. This is a team game and those that play
together as a team will be successful. That is what Bronco is trying to do with
'Band of Brothers.' Not band of Heaps.
Note to PaulMax: Five minutes no talking.Patriot: I actually have to
disagree with Dick, and thus you, on this one. The games that I watched (and I
watched every one of them, thanks!) the offense looked perfectly tailored to a
drop-back, pocket passer, ie Heaps. And you might say that an under-developed
run game certainly put more pressure on the quarterback, but I think too many
bad passes and dropped passes meant that defenses could put more pressure on our
running game.You might recall the announcers discussing a couple of
times in the Hawaii game that Riley was good in the short passes and down field
passes, but not so much on the intermediate stuff. Indeed, I saw no problem
with his arm. I think Riley HAS improved this season at QB (no upside?) and
that the offense was tweaked to accomodate him, not designed and built around
him.Just my observations.
bballjunkie"...enjoy Riley and your below average wins against
some of the poorest teams in college football."And this is
opposed to losing to some of the poorest teams in college football... like
Colorado?1-6 for a basketball junkie's team 'hurts don't it?'Back atcha!
Regarding the taunts to Jake's wife...BYU has some pathetic
fans...so does Utah, so does Utah State, so does San Diego State, so does
Wyoming, so does Weber state, so does USC, so does Alabama, so does Oregon, so
does......BYU also has some classy fans...so does Utah, so does Utah
State, so does San Diego State, so does Wyoming, so does Weber State, so does
USC, so does Alabama, so does Oregon, so does......The wife of any
player, especially those pro bound, must learn to love the classy fans and laugh
at the pathetic fans.
What I find interesting is the Cougar fans turning on each other, almost as fun
to watch as the Utah BYU reruns this year.
To the #1 SLC Sports Fan?Where did you get your info about the LDS
Church leaders wanting to drop football? Is that something you made
up or something you hope happens. BYU's Football program is a bit more relevant
than say the U's if you look at the body of work the past 40 years. Utah has
been very good for say 10 years but have no way accomplished the things BYU
has.The offense that BYU created with Lavell and his staff, and all the All
American QB's cannot be taken lightly. BYU football is known coast to coast.
You must be old enough to remember most of the beat downs the U took during the
70's 80's 90's until Ronny Mac put some teams together that won some games.
Lighten up on the hate just a bit being the #1 SLC Sports Fan you must know
about sportsmanship right?
"Switch to the night of Sept. 30, 2011, in LaVell Edwards Stadium. Jake's
wife Brooke watched her husband get benched as BYU trailed late against Utah
State. As his replacement Riley Nelson sparked a Cougar comeback, several rows
back members of Nelson's family were observed yelling down at Brooke, "Why
aren't you cheering now?" In tears, Brooke witnessed the victory but never
attended another BYU game."If this incident is not true, and
the Nelson family truly has been slandered, Dick Harmon should be contacted by
the Nelson family's lawyer, and Harmon should be at least reprimanded, and at
"BYU likes its more mobile QB pipeline"What in the name of
sense is this supposed to mean Dick??? So BYU now goes for the 5'10"
scrambler that can't throw the ball down field? So much for the "past
QB's" of Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Marc Wilson, Gifford Nielsen, Robbie
Bosco, Ty Detmer, John Beck, Max Hall , etc... all drop back pocket passers.
Young was the only exception. So now BYU wants to go to the Doman option attack
huh?? So long top 20 - hellooooo bottom 20. BYU football is headed for the
dumpster. No decent QB is going to even take a second look at BYU anymore. I wonder if Bronco wouldn't mind cutting his 3 year contract to two...
or even one?? Geez, Lavell and Chow have got to be shaking their heads to see
the dynamic passing attack they built over 30 years be reduced to a watered down
Air Force option offense on the same level as Conference USA .
Paulmax: How did Doman fail miserably? How did Nelson ruin anyone's career?
Nelson puts it all on the field every time he steps out there. Don't blame
Heaps' departure on the fact that Nelson did what was expected of him...going
out and giving it your all. Sounds like very sour grapes to me.Those of you that think this is bad for BYU, I ask why? It's true that they
wont have Heaps anymore but even though they built the last couple of season's
on the hope that Heaps would deliver and gave him every opportunity, they have
been recruiting some very capable QB's and even have a few on the team.BYU will be just fine and I hope that Mr. Heaps can succeed at his new school.
@54-10Your comment is as relevant as "4th and 18," except
that one was reality and was converted for a first down.
DMNHarmon needs to be reprimanded if, indeed, his comments about
Nelson's family are inaccurate, and you need to take a hard look at you
There are 3 things that should be noted:1-If Heaps thought he could
be a better missionary being a college and eventual NFL player then why play at
BYU? Wouldn't such a mission be more effective in a BCS league school? A
program that BYU will NEVER become?2-Heaps recruitedited by the
offense put in place by then-coordinator Robert Anae, how could he expect to
work with Brandon Doman's scheme that is more centered around a mobile QB?3-The BYU athletic department is a sinking ship with respects to major
relevance, ESPN or not. The future is very much up in the air with some LDS
Church leaders wishing to at the very least drop the football program and scale
back athletics to the WCC participating sports. Even others wish to go the
route of BYU-Idaho and eliminatdepartmentrtment entirely.BYU isn't a
big research school with few PhD programs, perhaps it's time to drop football
and truly be the school it should be.
BYU Texas is right on the money. Harmon said something to the effect
that "someone is said to have heard" Nelson's family make comments to
Brooke heaps. What utter hearsay, but it won't stop the grist mill from grinding
on all Y fans over unsubstantiated comments. Harmon and the DNews ought to be
embarrassed by the inclusion of such rumor.That said, Harmon also
gives a pretty balanced view of a disappointing situation.It has
always been so and will always be that potential is not performance. If it were
not so, I would have beat Tiger by 6 shots yesterday, and Johnny Harline would
not still be open in the end zone.
The false story about the Nelson family hazing Mrs. Heaps is a complete lie. The
Nelson's were in attendance at the Cache Valley rivalry football game between
Skyview & Logan High over 100 hundred miles to the north. The Nelson's were
kept informed of Riley's heroics as family and friends listened to the BYU
highlights.I find this disturbing that a falsehood this vile has
been given the light of day.It is sad that Heaps young bride may
have been heckled at all, that is low class and cowardice. I hope who ever may
have done this returns to the rock they crawled out from under.
Bronco is taking this program right to the bottom.
Note to Doman: you have failed miserably! Note to Nelson: who else's
career are you going to ruin next?
What happened to Jakes wife is absolutely dispicable but typical of the Provo
mentality. He will be much happier and more successful somewhere else.
Heaps final BYU career stats:363 of 635 (57.2%), 3,768 yards (5.93
avg), 24 TDs, 17 ints, 114.13 ratingA 114.13 rating would rank Jake
95th in the country this year.You can talk about Jake's great talent
and potential all you want, but bottom line, he didn't produce on the field
anywhere close to his hype. Most disappointing, however, was his lack of
leadership and competitiveness.It's sad to see Jake's career at BYU
end this way, but I hope he finds a new school where he can be successful.I'm reminded of a BYU QB who once split time with another QB, before
having to redshirt a season while awaiting his turn to be BYU's starter.Two years later, he had one of the greatest seasons in NCAA history and
led BYU to a miraculous finish in the Holiday Bowl.Jake could have
been one of BYU's all-time greats, IF he'd had the kind of competitive fire that
McMahon, Young, Bosco, and Detmer had.If only...
Steve Young, and Jimmer didn't go on missions either and look how unsuccessful
their careers w....oh wait...My mission was the greatest thing I'VE
ever done, but it isn't my place to tell people what to do with their lives.
Shame on you Harman for failing as a journalist and not doing your research. You
just ended up slandering a good family name. Since I can't post the URL just
look up in the archives the story about Riley Nelson's family being at their
son's game in Logan the same night as Riley's heroics. What was even the point
of putting that in there?
Chicken chaserNow there's a thought... especially if the Boise State-BYU
long term Home and Home remains viable. That's a twist I never thought about.
I bet Peterson just might give Jake a call. That would be interesting...
Two scenes? Two words - Riley Nelson.
I'm sad to see him moving on. It's frustrating to see that kind of talent go
elsewhere. I wish Jake and his family the best and hopefully BYU is making good
decisions at the quarterback position to replace him.
Justice13,I hope you are correct. I seem to recall hearing
(reading) that indeed his family was attending the high school game.I just feel bad for Jake. Tough thing to shoulder as an 18 (then) year old,
Jake's troubles began with his press conference at Iggys. Imagine the resentment
he created in his future, seasoned team mates. I'm convinced that if he came in
with the right attitude he would have developed just fine. Now he has a short
time to prove that he has changed and can grow. Personally, I think his father
and his guru did a huge disservice to this kid. Hope it works out somewhere
else. What a valuable lesson to young players: Let your performance on the field
do the talking. Be willing to wait your turn. Make the most of opportunities
rather than expect the opportunities to make the most of you. Jake just may
become a great parable for little league coaches everywhere.
Man... I hate to see him go...but if he's going to leave I hope he considers the
Huskies of Washington...which was his other preference before he finally made
the decision to go with BYU...or possibly with USC...although comparatively I
think Sarkesian would be the better coach over Kiffen. I would like to see Heaps
succeed in a program that is strongly on it's way up...which is the direction
that Sakesian has Washington going. Plus it would be interesting to see the
competition between Heaps and Montana. Doesn't matter where he goes he's going
to have to compete for the starting position with someone.
The comparison to Ben Olsen is appropriate. Where is he now? What of
significance did he ever accomplish?I hold no ill will for Jake
Heaps. I'm not rooting against the prospects of his success at a different
school. But from what I've seen with other players who transfer, I don't think
the odds are in his favor.
Unfortunatly there is a glaring and inexcusable error in the article that needs
to be addressed and corrected. The Nelson family was NOT in attendance the night
of game of the USU game. Riley's parents, grandparents and brothers were in
Cache Valley watching Riley's younger brother play quarterback for Logan High.
They were recieved their updates via radio while they watched Riley's younger
brother DJ dismantle Sky View.It is very unfortunate that anybody
would mock the wife of one of the student athletes and this is unacceptable
behavior of any BYU fan. However, it is equally inappropraite that the Deseret
News would allow an unsubstantiated accusation such as this to be levied against
the Nelson family. This error casts doiubt on every idea,
assertation and conclusion that is made in the article. I wish Jake Heaps the
best in his future endevors-- BYU may not have been an ideal fit for him. But
blaming the Nelson family for any falling out that Heaps had with the school,
coaches or fans is silly.
Its really too bad that it didn't work out, but I have confidence that things
usually work out for the best for everyone. The part about the Nelson family
harassing Brooke Heaps is very troubling. I sincerely hope that it isn't true,
but if it is true that they have apologized. If it is true and they have not
apologized, its pretty hard to believe Jake could be "friends" and
support Riley as he has stated many times. There's something about that that
just doesn't ring true. However, if it is somehow true and there was never any
apology, it puts a stain on Riley and his family. It needs to be clarified in
the minds of BYU fans everywhere!
Special thanks to Vai Sikahema, Brad Rock, Gordon Monson, David Loche who all
took turns stirring the pot and making life even harder for a 19 year old kid
dealing with a tough situation. What irks me is that after the sportswriters
basically told Heaps he was tainted goods and that transferring was his only
option they then turn around and act surprised that its happening. At least Dick
Harmon had enough class not to kick the kid in the teeth while he was down
unlike the rest of the Utah sports writers.
Note to the Author, Dick Harmon: Stop making up information. You
state that Heaps had trouble fitting in to Doman's offense. If you had bothered
to pay attention, It was pretty clear that the whole offense was built and
designed around Heaps. He was the heir apparent and was going to lead the
Cougar offense forward to greater things and dominate opposing offenses for the
next 3 years. Of course the offense was built around Heaps. He was arguably
the most talented QB recruit ever to play for the CougarsThe switch
only occured when it became clear that Heaps simply could not get the job done.
In the first 5 games under Heaps, the offense only scored 6 TDs. He had 3
passing Tds and 5 INTs, 2 of which were returned for tds. Doman had to adjust
hi offense for Nelson.
@ Tom in CAI couldn't agree with you more. Like Mike Loyd, and also Ben
Olson...the grass will not be greener for Jake Heaps. This is bad for both BYU
and Heaps. Heaps should just redshirt at BYU next year, since he is going to
have to sit-out next season anyway!
Awful article Harmon... Jake Heaps should leave, if he doesn't have the
competitive attitude to go and get the starting job he will never make it at any
University or NEVER in the NFL. I love how people say that Riley can do no wrong
and thats why Jake is justified leaving the team. Jake since the day he showed
up at BYU was the golden boy and himself alone lost the job because of lack of
work ethic and time working on his craft. He has a great arm but that does
nothing if you can't make a read or lift a weight in the gym. And the fact that
Harmon you would even bring up a "rumor" that someone from Nelsons
family treated Brooke badly is a joke. I don't condone Jake leaving, he left
because he doesn't have his food on a silver platter, I hope he goes to
Washington because they are the only school that will feed him his food. And for
all the Nelson haters he is 7th in the Nation currently for QB passer rating,
can rush better than any QB in the nation, and keeps the offense on the field.
He is the X factor and has what jake heaps hasn't.
Dick! insightful article, Im impressedBronco, should have never
allowed a high school boy to have a press conference!If Jake's
father or his QB guru orchestrated that they are to blame for this mess but
still Bronco should have stopped it!Makes you wonder why Washington
pulled their scholarship from Jake.It sounds like Jakes dad is a
wannabe living his life through his son. Big mistake!Bronco, buck up
from now on and Coach! Good luck to Jake, odds are against you.Good Luck to the Y program now, They will need it!
I would like to clarify something that Dick Harmon included in his article. The
Nelson family was not in attendance at the BYU/Utah State game, as they were in
Cache Valley watching Riley's younger brothers playing in a high school game
that evening. They only learned of Riley's participation in the game through
radio updates given to them by other parents who were attending the high school
game. I'm so sorry if someone was unkind to Jake Heaps' wife that evening, that
sort of thing should never happen. But please, don't blame the Nelson family
for that type of behavior.
This will be damaging to Doman's career if Heaps shines somewhere else.
"It makes me sick that supposedly adults would pick on a young players
young wife."My sentiments exactly. What an embarassment.
You are all right, Jake is a little bit of a drama queen. But to say he has no
talent is asenine. He has incredible potential. It comes down to horrible
coaching. Good coaches take drama queens and teach them discipline. Good
coaches don't make the huge mistakes that have been made dealing with the
quarterback situation. This was aweful. I hope that BYU and Jake can both
rebound from this.
Captain L and BYU fans.I hope you love crow.. and enjoy Riley and
your below average wins against some of the poorest teams in college
football.Go Tulsa and whoever plays BYU football. What a joke.Oh and if you think Tanners not thinking twice now, your kidding
yourself cougar fans, and coaching staff. And I hope he bails soon!
This was a fantastic article that puts a good viewpoint on the situation. I am
convinced that this will be good for both BYU and for Jake Heaps. Next year's
team with Nelson, Hill, and Tanner Magnum will be too deep for Heaps, yet he
still is a talented player who could do better in a different system. Mobile quarterbacks will always have a huge edge on non-mobile QBs unless they
are 6'4"+ with a super quick release (Payton Manning for example).
It seems that Mr Harmon knew a few things that he kept under his vest. I am
disgusted with the Nelson clan if they really did that to Heaps wife. They can
all go cheer for the red JC school up on the hill if that is the
"quality" that they bring with them from Logan. Also, if
Doman really did not talk to Heaps since the Utah game I am even more disgusted
with him.. Heaps bore the brunt of his lousy play calling early in the year, but
that is only part of it. Struggling to be a good coach in year one is a problem
but understandable. Not communicating with a player under your watch is
inexcusable. I am beginning to think that Anai(?) was the wrong coach to
fire.I like Riley but Jake had potential that Riley will never have
and that should have been considered before giving Riley all the guaranteed wins
on the schedule. For all the problems in the punting game, Riley's turnovers
were just as costly in the loss to TCU.Best line of the article
"Utah was never an option". The Utes should get used to that phrase.
As much as many of us wanted him to succeed due to his skill level, it appears
he might have just been a practice phenom, but not a playing phenom, like
Riley.Good luck wherever you end up, Jake.
Kellen Moore must move on and, . . . ..
A sad day for this long-time BYU supporter, but a long time coming. None of
know all the details but this is an indictment of the current coaching staff and
culture at the football program. At his best, Heaps can and probably will be
one of the premier QB's in the country. At his best, Nelson is an average QB
with no arm strength, a big heart, bad (but lucky) decision maker with a decent
record against subpar programs. No matter how they spin it, this will only
breed more mediocrity until the school and boosters finally make the decision to
get rid of a really good man and a very poor football coach. You need only look
to the basketball program to see how an excellent coach who knows how to work
with talent can create a superior product. One more thought (assuming it is
true) ... shame on Riley Nelson's family for their despicable conduct with Heaps
wife. If Nelson had any class, he would apologize to Heaps and his family.
But, the best revenge will be Heaps' successful collegiate and probable NFL
career while Nelson is selling cell phone contracts in Provo for a living.
Out on the field... During the games... When it countedHe missed open recievers... way to oftenWhen it counted he simply
could not do it. It's OK Jake ... Most people can't. You will be OK.
Dick: I'm pretty sure Jake's press conference was held at "Iggy's" and
not "Ziggy's". Iggy's is a sports grill, "Ziggy's" is a
smoke shop. There is some humor in your mistake, but you might want to change
it.Sorry to see Jake go. He had the potential to be a great
quarterback, but I don't think the BYU community had the patience to wait for
him to develop. He'll do well elsewhere. I think this will have some serious
repercussions down the line, however. Maybe future five star quarterbacks will
think twice before entrusting their football career to this program.
I wanna know more about the supposed taunting of Heaps' wife. As it is right now
it just sounds like a bunch of unsubstantiated hearsay, that's going to turn
into something much bigger and more false.
Anybody else notice this article has changed? Just delete the whole thing!
Pac 12 or SEC- Heaps had trouble with speed and locking in on a receiver- do
that in either one of those conferences and he will be in a world of trouble-
just because he has nice mechanics and can throw hard does not mean he is a
quaterback- I hope he succeeds beyond all expectations but my two cents says I
strongly I doubt it if it is a cnference a step or two up from the competition I
saw him play against- good luck though
Here it is. Dick's rallying the troops.Typical.
Like Michael Loyd - Heaps will find out the grass is not greener. I wish him
I hope Jake has a fulfilling career wherever he ends up. BYU has now been
relegated to a feeder program for a BCS school. Jake's new program will benefit
from two years of experience and a needed transition red shirt year. He should
be ready to go for the 2013 season. For whatever reason, It's too bad BYU's
recruiting process put Jake into the unearned QB position. I believe the
"mature" team members must have been less-than-excited about all the
hype and less-than-stellar performances against good teams the past two
years...with a teenager pulling the trigger. The BYU "system" has
produced many QB's who weren't highly regarded, but they paid their dues and
were ready to play after a few years of learning. There have been exceptions,
but ultimately Heaps wasn't ready for prime-time as a true freshman or
sophomore. He will, however, be ready as a junior and senior. The trigger men
have been truly invested in Jake, and now that investment is gone. Perhaps a
walk-on will now get his scholarship...and that's the state of the program. OBTW
Dick, nice work with the Nelson family mud sling. Forget about being a BYU
family, we've got Tradition, Honor & Spirit to think about.
Funny how the great Riley Nelson's family harrassing Brooke Heaps did not come
out until now. It makes me sick that supposedly adults would pick on a young
players young wife.
Bottom line. Hit the open reciever. Jake did not and could not do it. Blah blah
blah... If he made the passes he would still be in Provo.
Jake was given plenty of opportunity and just didn't perform, the problems now
being talked about wouldn't be problems if Jake had performed like he should
have and has the talent to do. To me it is more Heaps fault than the coaches.
Good luck to Jake and his family. I hope he finds what he's looking for. Moving forward, I anxious to learn more about James Lark, Taysam Hill,
and Ammon Olsen.
Why hasn't Doman spoken to Heaps in nearly 2 months? I would think the
communication would increase after the Ute blowout and getting benched for Utah
State. If this is true, then Doman is extremely immature and I feel bad for
Heaps. Something seems off about this claim though Harmon.