Not allowing them to vote for their own players doesn't make much sense since
their own players may be the best in the region. How would that solve the
problem we now experience?
Not sure that makes much sense because each team is allocated a certain number
of players based upon where they finish. So if there is a set amount from each
team, then a coach would know which of his own players are most deserving of the
honor better than an opposing coach would.
Maybe a better approach to letting the coaches vote on the all-region teams,
would be to not allow them to vote for their own players.
re: Eagle and SamI guess thats why many kids are left off. Feel
bad for the kids that are more deserving as High School is only once. Speaking
of your Timpview FiaefuSam...your QB had better stats than both the
First Team All Staters from both papers and way better than the second team All
Staters. He was right behind Chase Hanson and DJ Nelson. And you mention your
kicker. He was good also. How can they not be included? I guess it is your
Coaches decision from what has been said. It seems wierd a Coach wouldnt
nominate his kids that are deserving but like the Coach in Region 5
said-question them I guess.
I only watched Timpview and those teams they played, so I'm very prejudiced
toward them. Good discussion... Thanks
The Daily Herald will do an all-valley team. Not without some controversy, it's
selections though are from an objective source whose staff has seen all the
teams. Usually, they get it pretty close to right.And as I said
before all regions do their own thing, and in Region 8 I'm pretty sure the
coaches chose their own players. In Region 5 they might put more effort into it
but most regions they don't and no other coaches are going to veto another
coach's selections from his own team. Having followed Utah County Region 8
pretty closely I would have selected a lot of different players but so it goes.
Thanks, Coach. That explains the disparity in the whole system. Would that other
regions could see the importance or value of this honor. Maybe there might be a
better way to show equality or just forget it altogether. Maybe leave the
all-region stuff to the local papers like the Standard Examiner, Provo Herald,
Tooele Transcript-Bulletin, Logan Herald Journal and the Washington County
times. Of course, those in the Basin and the smaller schools would get no honor,
but it's probably seldom that they do anyway.
Do people read the comments prior to posting or do they just post whatever comes
to mind?! WoW! All-Region selections are done differently from
region to region, 1A-5A. It's got absolutely nothing to do with 5A talent vs.
4A talent and so on...The fact that Region 5 has a lot of nominees
is up to the coaches in Region 5, as it should be. Who's to say that one region
should have more votes than another? If you don't like how it's done in 'your'
repective region, contact 'your' coach.And yes FaifeauSam, Region 5
coaches do make the time to meet and talk about each and every position...
I thought I read somewhere that the coaches were given a ballot after
nominations and they then selected whoever they thought should be honored. The
nominating process would allow the head coach to chose his own players because
he knows them best and has watched them through weeks of practice and at least
10 games. Why does the first place team get 8 selections as UC Baller suggests?
If an individual player is outstanding on a weak team, that doesn't make him a
less-than outstanding player within the region. Maybe he's one of the few who
made the team shine on occasion. For the record there were 13 Logan players
listed on the Region 5 All-Region team while only 6 Timpview players names
appear on the Region 8 roster and 10 East High players head the Region 6 roster.
In 5A there are only 9 Lone Peak players' names which appear on the Region 4
team. Does that mean 4A is stronger than 5A?
Of course region selections have to be done by coaches, but do we think that
they have the time or make/take the time to concentrate on every position. I'm
beginning to think that all this hype about All-State and All-Region is just a
way to sell more papers; although it does look good on a potential recruit's
resume when he/she is trying to attract the attention of college coaches.
Personally, I like the Trib All-State selections as being more realistic and
more quality based. Let's see if they do an All-Region poll, too.
Again, going on my kick about honoring the kickers in 4A, I'd like to point out
that of the top eight kickers in 4A, only four are listed on their teams as
All-Region, the first, fourth, seventh and eighth place finishers, ignoring the
second, third, fifth and sixth? This may be sound like sour grapes, but if we're
going to honor the players, certainly the kickers deserve some praise and
region selections by coaches makes more sense as they are more familiar with the
players by position. Week to week during region play these are the kids that
make a difference in team play and region standings. Unlike the Trib selections
where it's more a political popularity show and positions are created or
assigned to get kids on by school regardless of performance or stats.
After additional research, this popularity poll is still a mystery. Does the
first place team in the state get to list all of its players as All-Region? Why
does Region 5 have MVPs in every position and other regions have so few? It
appears that some of the coaches havent taken their job very seriously or they
dont worry about how they crush the psyche of some of their players. If its up
to the coaches, you would think they would take this final chance to honor and
build up their players before the rest of the state. There are a number of
quality players (albeit not seniors) who deserve to be on these lists. Do the
coaches have the time or the inclination to delegate one of their assistants to
do the research? I know they are busy teaching classes, but this is important to
these young charges.
Do they print both 2nd Team or Honorable mention at all? Does anyone know?
I agree with Sam, the All State selections have become a joke. I see players
that only played one or two games the ENTIRE season getting all region and all
state honorable mentions?????? Come on....
It's still a total sham and should be done away with if there is not some
consistency and value to the program.
Eagle is right, coaches decide these, not the newspaper. The coaches in each
region decide which format to use, which is why different regions have different
ways that they put these teams together
UC Baller: This is done by the coaches, not the D-News. The first place team
gets 8 selections, 7 selections for the next team, 6 selections for the third
place and so on. I wouldn't be surprised if the head coach of team chooses his
How the DNews has turned into a joke. The Region 8 selections are really off.
Lets not look at stats or performance, but rather a blind draw. Cmon DNews,
you are better than that.
This is more of a joke than the All-State was. There is no consistency among the
regions and that could be the fault of the coaches or of the DesNews sports
staff. Why does Region 5 have numerous positions and honors and the other
regions have only a few? If these players are to be honored, it should be an
honor and not just an honorarium. If it's going to be handled that way, why not
just list every senior on each team and forget about the quality or stats of the
Um... Lawson Toomer is on a Mission in Africa, although his little brother
Lantzen Toomer played for Morgan this year. I think that this is a mistake on
All Region for Region 11 from Morgan.