re: scenic view | 11:19 p.m. Dec. 6, 2011 Baltimore, MD "You do realize how absolutely meaningless transitive scores are, don't
you?"Yet, byu fans are masters at circular logic."By your line of reasoning, with a 3-point home field advantage, BYU is
44 points better than Utah."You realize the ironY in that
statement, right?"Sagarin only ranks Utah 3 places ahead of
BYU."The key word being Ahead.
@ worf | 8:30 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011 71-26@ ClarkHippo |
10:29 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011 Wasn't this yrs holy war on an ESPN network?
Scenic view. I'm sure if it was byu that won by 44 points it would still be a
fluke win? Think about it!
@scenic viewHow about spinning those numbers the other direction.Despite Utah's embarrassing loss to a bad Colorado team, they are still
ranked ahead of BYU in the Sagarin rankings. Despite Utah's 5
losses, and BYU's 3, Utah is still ranked ahead of BYU.Despite
blowing out the garbage of the WAC, while Utah navigated their Pac-12 schedule
to a 4-5 record, Utah is still ranked ahead of BYU.That's a whole
lot of reasons Utah shouldn't be ranked ahead of BYU.I guess 54-10
actually says a lot. No reasoning or predicting needed. 54-10
happened. That's the only comparative score that matters this year.And to your other point, all 54 points are not equal either. Had Utah turned
their numerous red zone trips into TD's instead of FG's, they would have scored
70 points. Take your 44 point loss and be greatful it wasn't worse.
UteologyYou do realize how absolutely meaningless transitive scores
are, don't you?BYU dominated (41-20) the Hawaii team that dominated
(34-17) the Colorado team that dominated (17-14) Utah for the entire first half
in RES.By your line of reasoning, with a 3-point home field
advantage, BYU is 44 points better than Utah.btw, not all turnovers
are created equal. Fumbling the ball into your own end zone or at your own
3-yard line or where a defender meerly has to pick it up and run it into the end
zone uncontested is far different from giving up a turnover at mid field.Utah fans spout off about Sagarin's SOS rankings, but refuse to accept
Sagarin's bottom line conclusion, that despite Utah's fluke win in September,
Sagarin only ranks Utah 3 places ahead of BYU.#38 Utah 75.99#41 BYU 75.22
skywalker | 11:37 p.m. Dec. 5, 2011Are you really going to try to
argue that two road games against SEC and Big 12 opponents is an adequate sample
size to draw any conclusions whatsoever about BYU's scoring potential against
Utah?--------------Yes, since Utah has a better defense
then both Ole Miss and Texas. Also, a 4-7 D2 team Southern Illinois
scored 24 points on Ole Miss 7 days after BYU's offense managed to score 7.And the sample size includes 2 road games plus 3/4 a home game because
you were down 24-10 by the 3rd quarter with 3-2 TO margin.
Worf - you predicted 42-3. I would be happy to take 39 points a make you a
wager on the outcome of the game.A-1994 regarding Utah's schedule
let me recap for you. Ranked #37 for SOS, played 6 bowl teams + USC but don't
let facts get in the way of the opinions you post. Cougars - Wise
Older Brother - since your team 'as usual' plays higher ranked teams in bowls,
remind me how highly ranked UTEP was last year compared to Boise State; or 2008
when we played #2 Alabama. Then there was 2004 (actually our bowl was 2005) and
2003 when you played nobody. Another post that doesn't let facts get in the way
of an opinion.
To me playing at noon on CBS Dec. 31st. is a great venue and big for the school
as the national exposure and press will be all over the story.. BYU's bowl ? Not so much. Duckhunter --you blew your chance at credibility when you
ducked and covered after the 54-10 victory on Provo.
@Cali CougTranslation...The Cougs carefully navigated
the 94th toughest schedule in the country to a 9-3 record.That SEC
team won 0 SEC games. In the Pac-12, BYU defeated a bowl unelligible
OSU team, and got throttled at by a 4-5 team at home.But I actually
see many BYU fans agreeing with you.
If Duckhunter is really interested...Cheap non-stop flight to
Albuqurque on Delta SkyWest. Drive to ELP for first night for bowl activities
and the game, in Santa Fe for New Years Eve. Jealous?
Cali Coug:"Finished the regular season rated # 26 by the
Coaches."Not according to the Coaches poll. I just looked. In
the Coaches poll, No. Illinois was the first team left out of the Top-25. In
the AP, it was Notre Dame. The fact is, the cougars didn't receive ANY votes in
EITHER poll. But at least you DID finish 9-3, and ARE satisfied playing a bunch
of weak SOS WAC/C-USA/FCS teams. "The model has been
set." -- Bronco Mendenhall, Jan. 2008No wonder you
"successfully" steered clear of scheduling more than 3 AQ schools.
BYU finished their Pac 10.2 schedule with a better record than utah. They went
undefeated in the SEC just like LSU. Lost only one Big 12 game, lost one MWC
game and went undefeated in the WAC. Not a bad year for the Cougars.Finished the regular season rated # 26 by the Coaches. Not a bad year at all.
tcom2011:"I am surprised though wasn't it the sun bowl BYU was
in last year?"No. The cougars were too mid-majorey for that
bowl game. They played in the New Mexico Bowl. The cougar's bowl opponent,
UTEP, was FROM El Paso. You just confused the bowl game with their bowl
opponent.Duckhunter:It makes no difference to me whether
or not there are any direct flights from SLC to El Paso. For starters, I'll be
flying in from Philadelphia. Secondly, I don't require direct flights anyway.
If my flight will be 6 1/2 hrs long, causing me to not check into my hotel until
a little after midnight because I have to do a stopover in Chicago, so be it.
It's not like I need to be at work in the morning. I drove 5 1/2 hrs to the
Pitt game earlier this year, so what's one more hour?How sad for you
to have to watch your mid-majorey cougs playing another mid-majorey also-ran
CUSA opponent in a bush league $600K bowl game that nobody cares about while
your big brother up on the hill gets to play in a meaningful major bowl vs. a
meaningful ACC opponent.
@Swoop"btw, who was it again that the Utes were playing in some
bowl in west Texas that NOBODY will be going to?"Georgia
Tech.The same Georgia Tech BYU fans were so excited to schedule a
series with a few months ago.Georgia Tech who will be the 11th team
from a BCS conference Utah faces this year.While Tulsa will be the
9th mid-major team BYU will face this season.
@lukeskywalker"El Paso or Dallas? hmmm, tough to
choose"Not for BYU.They've proven they will always
choose the path of least resistance.They'll take non-BCS teams on
the schedule over BCS teams anyday of the week.They'll take a WAC
defacto title over scheduling real games anyday of the week.It's
pretty clear what BYU chooses.
@lukeskywalkerBYU and Utah do not play again this year. They
already did, Utah won by more than 6 touchdowns, on BYU's homefield.And yes, if BYU didn't turn the ball over 7 times, the score is different.And if BYU scored more than Utah did, they would have won the game.And if Utah hadn't have failed to turn trips inside the 10 into
touchdowns instead of field goals, they win by 60.And if Jordan Wynn
doesn't get hurt in that game, Utah plays in the first ever Pac-12 title game
with a good shot at the Rose Bowl.And if Coleman Peterson doesn't
miss 3 FG's, Utah still plays in the title game with a terrible QB.And if Bama makes their FG's, they play OSU for the BCS title.And
if BYU doesn't have to settle for their second choice Bronco, perhaps they
accomplish the ellusive "Quest" with Kyle at the helm.Stop
making excuses, nobody cares what could have happened.54-10 did.
@DuckhunterYou're flip flopping again Mitt, I mean Ducky.Facts are as follows:Sun Bowl is clearly higher up on the Bowl
Game heirarchy than the Armed Forces Bowl.Sun Bowl pays out more per
team and it's not even close. Projections are $4M for the Sun, $1.2 for the
AFB.Sun Bowl is seen on CBS, by many more viewers than ESPN or
BYUTV. I thought Exposure equated to more presitge, at least according to your
fanbase?El Paso is a dump, can't imagine anyone not agreeing with
that. It's very difficult to get to, and expensive. Not a lot of Utah fans
will make the trip, for those very reasons. They'll sit at home and watch the
Utes live on CBS, getting the Exposure of the entire nation, not the
Cable-watching nation.Sun Bowl features a good BCS opponent, not
another mid-major opponent as the AFB does.As BYU fans have been
proclaiming for a year, doesn't matter where the game it, when it is, and who
the opponent is, if it gets you Exposure it's a GREAT thing. Right Ducky!
@scottI couldn't agree more. The stadium will be a barren wasteland
perfectly matching the surrounding area.
Checked Stubhub for ticket prices:Sun Bowl - Priced from: $19Armed Forces Bowl - Priced from: $41El Paso or Dallas? hmmm, tough
DuckhunterNothing wrong with watching a game on television, but the
myth that Utah fans travel to support their team will be firmly laid to rest
when the Sun Bowl is a sea of empty chairs on New Years Eve.This may
well be the lowest attended Sun Bowl in the last 50 years.
UoU 1991Please don't tell Howard S!
UteologyAre you really going to try to argue that two road games
against SEC and Big 12 opponents is an adequate sample size to draw any
conclusions whatsoever about BYU's scoring potential against Utah?The truth is, even with a gift TD, Utah still only led 14-10 at halftime. It's
funny how you only use Sagarin when he supports your own biases. After all of your meaningless spin, Sagarin barely rates Utah ahead of BYU.#38 Utah 75.99#41 BYU 75.22With a home field advantage
of 3 points, Sagarin would favor BYU if the two teams were playing tomorrow in
LES.The only thing Utah's 44-point spread back in September proves
is that Utah was better than BYU for one seven-turnover plagued night.
I've talked to lots of friends and not a single one of them is planning to the
game - too far, too expensive, and nothing to do once you get there. The Utes
could easily lose money on this bowl having to eat several thousand tickets.
I turn to an article about Utah's bowl game and all I find is posts like
this:Jenny83 - Utes have won 7 out of the last 10 games at LES! Obsessed much, Utah fans!The thought of Utah fans leaving
BYU in their dust is so absurd, it's beyond comprehension - Utah fans eat,
sleep, and breathe BYU. It's what they do.btw, who was it again that
the Utes were playing in some bowl in west Texas that NOBODY will be going to?
My bad, I BYU did score 14 points on Ole Miss but 7 points were by the defense.
The problem with the "7 turnovers we gave the game away" BYU crowd is
the fact that Utah was up 24-10 with a 3-2 TO margin in the middle of the 3rd.
At that point BYU was averaging less then 7 points per game in the second half.
It wasn't until until 4th game did BYU score more than 7 points in the second
half. So go ahead BYU fans spin it Heaps.
@MiPNothing is wrong with watching it on tv. But for the last couple
of weeks we have read over and over again from the utah "fans" on here
what a prestigious bowl game the sun bowl is and how great the destination is.
So my point is that if the sun bowl is so presitgious and the destination is so
great then why aren't the utah "fans" on here heading down en
masse?You know how things work around here, utah "fans"
figure utah is going to the sun bowl so they tell us all how great it is, BYU
fans point out it's in el paso which is a complete armpit of a destination, utah
"fans" get worked up and ridiculously claim going to el paso is better
than going to Dallas, San Diego, Las Vegas, BYU fans mock and laugh at them over
and over again, utah "fans" keep insisting the sun bowl and el paso
are awsome, the payout is better, and other far fetched claims as to why it is
going to be so great, etc.But when it came down to it utah
"fans" aren't going to this great and prestigious bowl.
Nice match-up.Here's hoping Hays can channel his inner
"Ratliff" for the game.Duckhunter and CougFaninTx,
congrats on being the world's greatest superfans, but what's so wrong about
watching the game on TV?
Utes have won 7 out of the last 10 games at LES! How swwwweeeeeet it is!!!!!!!
This should be a good match up. I am surprised though wasn't it the sun bowl BYU
was in last year? Same bowl but it landed an ACC team, hopefully it will be a
good game, Good luck Utes! Go BYU go UofU
@ 17-14 and Disgruntled:If you are or claim to be BYU fans, your
pathetic negative comments are the embarrassment here, not the Utes bowl
matchup. Raise the bar a bit people.
I'm a BYU fan of many years, graduated from the U. Go figure, not hard.Great Matchup for the TUN. Can't wait to see the game and cheer for the boys
in red. Go Utes.
GOUTES8888"I read a post that claims BYU is ranked higher in
the Sagarin Ratings than Utah"Great example of a Utah
education... no reading comprehension. No posts implied anything of
the sort, but they did state, quite clearly, that Sagarin ranked both BYU AND
BYU's OPPONENT higher than Utah's opponent.
Mark it Down: Utah won't have 3,000 fans at their bowl game.
@ DuckhunterWhy the obsession with all things Utes?
@ Cougars - Foolish Little Brothers 10:34 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011 Anaheim,
CAA perfect example of "Little Brother Syndrome". Here we
have a little brother (byu) who thinks and acts like he is the big brother, he
pounds his chest and talks a lot of smack. Then one day big brother (Utah) comes
down to Provo and beats up on little brother 54-10 in front of a national
audience. Now little brother is having a temper tantrum because big brother has
pushed little brother aside to hang out with his new friends (Pac-12 schools)
and little brother is left at home sitting in the corner by himself
(Independence). Hang in there little brother!
@ DuckhunterWhy the obsession with all things Utah football? As a
Cougar fan I would think you would put your energy behind anyone but the Utes.
@naval lintBut of course with the size of BYU's fanbase the stadium
isn't big enough to even hold 1% of us. And I doubt highly you are
going to el paso, frankly you aren't going and just won't admit it.One of my buddies that is a good Utah fan tells me that there are no direct
flights from SLC to el paso, I knew that already but he confirmed it, that the
cost of a ticket for even an indirect flight (the best he found had 3 stops) was
around $1000 and that the most cost effective way to get there from here is to
fly into Albuqurque then take a bus for the 4 hour drive to el paso, and in
short he won't bother. He goes to quite a few road games and all of the bowl
games for the last several years.He is typical of Utah fans and
almost all of you will simply be watching it on tv. I don't really
care but I do find it funny how you keep hyping it as some prestigious game but
almost none of you are going to go to it.LOL!
@: CougFaninTX | 10:48 a.m. Dec. 5, 2011 Frisco, TX "re:
Utesby3Unlike U, I do support my team and will be going to the bowl game.
I'm glad it's in Dallas, not El Paso."I do support my team, as
I have had season tickets for the past 5 years, and have also been to bowl games
and other road games when I am able. As I said in my post, I CAN'T go this year,
much to my disappointment. Have you been to every bowl game BYU has been to? How
many BYU games have you attended this year? If both answers are 100%, then I
congratulate you for being BYUs number one Superfan. Otherwise you have nothing
to brag about.
Duckhunter:"But of course you aren't going to the sun bowl.
Neither are 99.999999% of all other utah fans."With a game
falling on a Saturday, I CAN [and WILL] go to El Paso. Not that it should
matter to you; especially since the Sun Bowl has historically had nothing to do
with either you OR your irrelevant mid-majorey program. Incidentally, I'm quite certain that over 99% of YOUR fans won't be going to
Dallas, so it seems awfully hypocritical of you to post such irrelevant nonsense
regarding a program you obviously know nothing about. But then again, as a
cougar fan, that is well within your M.O.And speaking of those
cougar-faithful 99%-ers, what happened LAST postseason? Only 32,424 fans showed
up, and most of them were UTEP fans. New Mexico's University Stadium seats
39,224. And with a 1.8 Nielsen rating, your NM Bowl was the lowest rated game
in that bowl's 5-yr history. How embarrassing for you.
Utes fans are saying "Whew!!!" Thankful they didn't go to the Las
Vegas bowl and get blown out by BSU.
Duckhunter,Thank you for the well-wishes. I won't be attending the
bowl game. I already used my "travel to see the Utes" budget for the
year.I traveled from Spain last year to watch my Utes play poorly at
Notre Dame.This year, I traveled to SLC to see their Pac-12 opener
against Washington.My head tells me that Utah's performance on the
field has nothing to do with whether I attend, but my heart has convinced me
that there must be some connection.I used to think that I was good
luck for my team, but the last two years suggest otherwise.With
financial constraints and crazy superstitions to deal with, I had better stay
Just wanted to point one thing out: Utah only beat two teams with a winning
record this season: BYU and Montana State. At least all of BYU's losses were to
teams with winning records. Can't quite say the same about Utah... Just thought
some of you might want to know.
@duckhunterSo are you going to see the y play in their bowl game?
Or are you going to go to El Paso since you are so jealous and obsessed with the
Utes. OR are you just dog'n on fans that cannot go and telling us we are not
true Ute fans. I will be there but I know a few people who will not because of
expences, work, or family I know it's an excuse but that's what y fans live buy.
Nothing but one great big giant excuse after another, "7 turnovers, we gave
the game to Utah" and they just keep coming.This is to all you
y fans really not just DHjarka-rus 4 in-a-row, little obsessed
buddy. You guys lost to a pair of 7-5 teams and one of them absolutley made not
only the fans, but the coaches and players give up. All of you GAVE UP.
Dang-I'm just making up another excuse for you.
@ bballjunkie"Funny how the sun bowl is now the new rose
bowl..you have to love ute fans..lol"Funny how the Helicopter
Bowl is now the new Vegas Bowl...You have to cougar fans...lol
@jarka-rusSOSGeorgia Tech #71BYU #94If
you want to bag on Georgia Tech's SOS, what does that mean for you Cougars SOS?
@DuckhunterI guess after 54-10, it's back to attendance smack talk
from disgruntled Cougar fans.
@Utah'95Are you going? Either way good luck, as one of the good Utah
fans on here I wish success for you and your team.
@golfrUteThere we go, a true Utah fan. Honest about el paso not
being a great place to go but going to support the utes anyway. Now if you can
convince a few more actual fans to go with you then you guys can represent. Good
Good luck in your bowl game, Cougars.The Utes had better play a lot
better than they did the last time they took the field. Their game against Tech
is winnable, but only if Utah plays well. The matchup of Ga Tech's
ground game against Utah's solid defense will be worth watching.Hays
progressed nicely in the latter part of the season. Hopefully Coach Chow can
add a few wrinkles to the offense to make it more productive.White,
Christopher, Brenner, and Kruger got dinged in the season finale. I hope they
can get back on the field as they are all key to Utah's success.
Reading a few of these comments was certainly entertaining Its clear that some
of these BYU fans were actually educated at BYU, because they cannot think, or
do research for themselves. I read a post that claims BYU is ranked higher in
the Sagarin Ratings than Utah Hmm Well a simple Google search disproves that.BYU 41UTAH 38Also, as a point of interest I took
a quick look at the Sagarin Ratings of the teams that both Utah and BYU beat
this season.UTAH wins:BYU 41UCLA
52PITT 56Arizona 62Washington
State 77Oregon State 82Montana State 86And
now for BYUs Drum roll please:Utah State 73Oregon State82UCF83San Jose State94Hawaii96Ole Miss107New Mexico
St131Idaho139Idaho State205If I did this for TULSA, it
might make people throw up. GO UTES, GO TULSA!!
We'll be at the Utes bowl game. Not too excited about El Paso, but GT should be
a good challenge and 8 of the last 9 years, the game has been a lot of fun.
Hope John White IV is healthy. Go Utes!
I haven't bothered to read the article nor the comments on BYU's bowl bid
because I simply don't care. It's interesting how many zoobies are on here
commenting on Utah's bowl bid.Sad, isn't it?Oh, and in
case you'd forgotten: 54 - 10, boys. It doesn't matter how many WAC teams
you've beaten this year. That score will remain.
Thanks to the PAC-12 sending two teams to BCS bowls. That moved everyone up a
re: Utesby3Unlike U, I do support my team and will be going to the bowl
game. I'm glad it's in Dallas, not El Paso.Unfortunately, there are
many more Ute fans like you who do not support your team and will not be
traveling to El Paso (or to the Huntsman Center). When the Bowl committees see
how Utah fans do not travel or support your teams, that will affect future bowl
offerings. I'm sure there will be more Yellow Jackets than Red Jackets in the
stadium, even though they have further to travel.
Wow, I think jarka-rus has just given us a new definition of obsessed.
Love the utah "fan" responses LOL!That said playing GT in
this bowl is definately a better thing for the utah program than getting the
living snot kicked out of them by Boise in the Vegas Bowl would have been. utah
might actually have a chance to win this game. Of course no utah
"fans" will be at the game, and I don't blame them, but the program
itself at least has a slight chance for a victory whereas they had zero chance
if they had to play either Boise or TCU in those schools bowl games. But if utah "fans" are going to claim this is somehow a "great
and presitigious" bowl game then they better buy some tickets and go
because that is what actual fans do when their team is going to a "great
and prestigious" bowl game. If they do not attend in anything resembling
decent numbers then it proves the game itself is in a lame location and isn't
all that prestigious. Well either that or it proves utah "fans" really
aren't fans at all, they simply latch on when the going is good.Which is it?
Congrats to all three Utah D-1 football programs for their bowl games. Proud of
all three for recovering from early-season oblivion and painful unexpected
losses. Mediocre seasons (or at least less than anticipated) for all three
teams. Hope all three win their bowl games for the good of the entire
state.Mediocre seasons (or at least less than anticipated) for all
three teams.At least we have basketball season to look forward to,
where three or four of the six (counting Weber State/UVU/SUU) should go dancing
truthsandwichhahah nice spin. So how is the Sun bowl soooo
superior?? Money? whoop dee doo. all that previous BCS money the utes received
sure has put them on top. Is it the venue? El Paso? Really?? Is it the teams?
Not a chance. Not sure how the Sun bowl just became one of the top 5 bowls in
the nation all of a sudden. More people will tune in the Byu bowl than this one.
johmmyjacklebunglehamperschmittt17-14 to a 2 win team at home!!!!
even Colorado fans feel bad for your team.
johnjaconbunglerhammershmertso how does that 17-14 look on that
mighty Ute resume for the BCS game they are going to? what? they aren't going to
a BCS game? how can this be?
johningle jinglehampersmittter17-14 hahaha the best ending to a
Look at G-techs rambling wreck schedule, they aren't some juggernaut as Utesies
will now be pumping up all month. And now the Sun bowl is the most prestigious
bowl ever. Uh huh the nation will be sitting on pins and needles tuning in this
game, just waiting to see if Hays will actually throw and complete a pass.
Little Sisters will lose big. Also please start spouting about how El Paso is
now the next best thing to the Caribbean.
9th straight bowl game for the Utes and they've only lost one of the past 8.
That's impressive!Georgia Tech will be a tough game for Utah. As a
fan though, that's what you want to see. Go Utes!
My bad . . . just realized BSU is in Vegas bowl, not TCU. How did that happen?
I thought TCU was the MWC Champion and MWC Champ went to Vegas.Also,
how did Virginia Tech end up in a BCS bowl? There were four or five better
options available for an at large bid.
Quacky,Were you the guy that got shot by your dog while hunting?The Sun Bowl is a better bowl than the Armed Forces Bowl in terms of
prestige, payout, level of competition, and exposure and we all know it. Own up
to it! I know you won't because Y fans never own up to anything.
Any shortcoming in the BYU sports program is always explained away with excuses
and "what ifs" rather than accountability and giving credit to other
programs. Maybe that is one of the reasons that the ship has sailed away and
U're still standing on the dock.
Haha so Quackhunter, now you're coming on our articles to tell us we're not
allowed to be happy about our team's superior bowl game unless we're actually
able to attend in person right? Jealousy is an ugly thing.You are
completely obsessed with Utah football.
@ Duckhunter: Regardless of what bowl Utah ended up in this year, I wasn't going
to be able to go. But then again, I'm also not going to your little brother
bowl, so I guess I don't care which city is more exciting. I'm stuck comparing
"meaningless" things like how much more prestigious and lucrative the
Sun Bowl is. Have fun at your little brother bowl.
Why are fans possessed with how much money the bowl pays? I've been cheering
for BYU for 20+ years and I have yet to get a single penny of any bowl payout.
And I am guessing that none of you have gotten any of the money either.As a fan I care about two things. I care about the oppenent and the
destination. BYU vs Tulsa and Utah vs GTech should be good
match-ups this year. At least they look like good match-ups on paper. BYU is
ranked 29th and Tulsa is ranked 34th in AP. Utah is ranked 51st and GTech is
ranked 37th according to CBSSports. Last year was awful. I think
everyone knew that BYU would clobber UTEP, and Boise State would clobber the
Utes. Both were mis-matches. If the Utes would have slipped to the Vegas Bowl
this year, that would not have been a good match-up with TCU. I feel sorry for
the Sun Devils.As for destination, Dallas is a great place to go for
the Armed Force Bowl. But if I was a Utah fan, I would not be looking forward
to spending New Years Eve in El Paso.
@naval lintBut of course you aren't going to the sun bowl. Neither
are 99.999999% of all other utah fans. I'll be shocked if utah has 3000 fans at
the game. But keep telling us how great it is to be going to el paso and how
prestigious and lucrative it is, blah, blah, blah. The truth is almost none of
you will go to it so any trumpeting of it's greatness is pure hyperbole. But of
course we expect nothing less from utah "fans".LOL!
alternate:"Everyone also knew that Utah would not get any bowl
revenue from the PAC. They will get 750K expense money for this game only. It is
their PAC buy in."Nope. That wasn't the deal. The Pac-12
"buy-in" was no "TV" revenue in 2011; not no
"Bowl" revenue. Utah's conference buy-in included a graduated stream
of TV money over the next 3 [50% in 2012, 75% in 2013, and a full share
thereafter], but we will be getting collecting a FULL share of bowl revenues
[nearly $2.7M], plus ANOTHER full share of CCG money [over #2M] immediately.
For 2011, Utah hauls in greater than $4.77 million from the Pac-12.While Boise St. may be the best team in the MWC, TCU was that conference's
champion, and thus should have earned the Las Vegas Bowl bid. Even from a
marketing standpoint, BSU played there last year, whereas TCU never had.
Nevertheless, the Las Vegas Bowl hasn't been known for showing a lot objectivity
in who they invite. I'm glad we're out of that league. Sun > Las Vegas >
Armed Forces.GO UTES!!!
Excited for this matchup. It will be a great challenge, but I have faith in our
coaches. GO UTES!
Best of luck to my Utes brethren. Enjoy El Paso in the winter! Don't worry that
you could have competed in the Pac 12 Championship with a chance to play in the
Rose Bowl but for a little loss against ... Colorado? No worries though. El Paso
and the Sun Bowl offers a lot of holiday pageantry.
Well those 1st 2 posts were hilarious but then this thread got even better.
LOL!A very special thanks to pebbles for coming along and really
making my day!
@ TJ" Talk about a little brother mentality."Thump!That was the sound of Big Brother thumping, Band of Lil
Brothers on the head 54 -10.Nice try Band of Lil Brothers
At least the focus won't be fully on their basketball team for another few
weeks.All the good things that are happening for the Utes and they still
have a major inferiority complex. Just can't help but bring BYU into it even on
a Ute article. Talk about a little brother mentality.
Enough trash!!Both Utah and BYU played very similar season. They
won expected games and lost the expected ones. Both had major disappointments
they would love to replay.Both had a major QB change that, for
better or worse, greatly impacted their season.To start the year,
everyone knew that Utah would have a much harder schedule than BYU simply
because BYU had to patchwork a schedule together at the last minute.Everyone is somewhat disappointed with both seasons. Both could have done
better. Both should have done better. Utah did not want to end up in El Paso
they wanted a Rose, Alamo or Holiday Bowl.BYU knew going in exactly
where they would be playing, Fiesta if undefeated or AFB if not.Everyone also knew that Utah would not get any bowl revenue from the PAC.
They will get 750K expense money for this game only. It is their PAC buy in.Everyone also knew that this year would be different for BYU because of
the strange schedule but it would be a bountiful revenue year. Far better than
any in the past.Both teams had good and bad this year. All Enjoy!
Cougar fans seem obsessed with Utah' s conference, TV deal, bowl game, etc while
conveniently forgetting that their team got drilled on their home field by the
Utes. No doubt the Utes had a difficult first year in the PAC-12, and BYU has a
good record against their Indy schedule but let's not forget the result of the
rivalry game. Also, BYU went 1-3 against against the decent teams on their
schedule (Texas, Utah, Utah State, TCU).
to 17-14 hurts you are saying that byu is not an important game to utah wow
Congratulations to the Utah football team. You guys worked hard and, even though
you lost your last game to Colorado, you still turned your season around and
became bowl eligible. Now go get Georgia Tech at the Sun Bowl!
Utah has had a very solid year under trying circumstances. I'm excited to watch
this game and will root for Utah. It's fun to both hate and love Utah. I'm the
youngest in the family with my Dad and half of the family going to Utah, me and
the other half BYU. Classic "Holy War"Best of luck! See
how much you can build on this for another run at the PAC12 next year.
Congrats on the bowl bid. Looking forward to this game with a tough opponent.
@ indycrimsonSo you haven't really moved on; you've just moved over.
pebblesYour obsession about other people's obsession is hilarious.
Glad it's annoying.In what world will the Utes win against GaTech
after losing to powerhouse Colorado? A Ute fan's mind, a funny thing
to play with.
@indycrimson"But while you are reading, can you let us k ow is Tulsa
is D1 or D1-AA?"That's silly. Tulsa is a good team that is only
8-4 because it faced Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Boise State, and Houston. @Rational"Utah: 38BYU: 41"Yeah, it's
pretty obvious that the two teams have similar skill levels... well, pretty
obvious to those that look beyond an overall record and realize that Utah beat
BYU as much as they did in part because Wynn and Heaps played rather than Hays
@Rock Of The Marne 9:37The first part of your comment is laughable
since there are just as many Ute fans trolling the Cougar Armed Forces bowl
article as there are Cougar fans trolling this one. Just be honest with the fact
that, no matter what, you and most other Ute fans are still obsessed with BYU.
Even though you're in the PAC-12, the Cougars are still the team you love to
hate. In fairness, the second part of your comment is surprisingly
insightful. The Utes better not go into the Sun Bowl as arrogant as 90% of their
Classic little brother behavior from the kids on the hill; more concerned with
where their big brother is playing, than with who the Utes are playing.(You're not fooling anybody indycrimson; you didn't just randomly happen to
mention the bowl game BYU is playing in in your comparison.)It's
nice to see our little brothers so giddy with excitement over the prospect of
spending New Years Eve in El Paso.btw, BYU's
"non-BCS" opponent, Tulsa(8-4), is ranked 31st by SagarinUtah's
"BCS" opponent, Ga Tech(8-4), is ranked 45th by SagarinAs
is usually the case, the Cougars will be playing the higher-ranked bowl
@ Tom in CA | 10:26 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011 Vallejo, CA Well if
someone gets hurt, maybe you can show your enthusiasm just like last time.
Okay U of U. Congrats on getting in the Sun Bowl.Remember, this game
will be on CBS. Let's hope you play better than you did last season against
Notre Dame on NBC.
@Uteology 7:45You said, "1st year in the PAC-12 and we make the
Sun Bowl. Not a bad year."Okay, if that what makes you and your
fellow Ute fans feel better. At the beginning of the year when Ute fan after Ute
fan said:"Mark it Down!""Write it
Down!" I know they weren't talking about playing in the Sun
Bowl.At least you're looking on the bright side, Ute fans. And hey,
you can always watch the Rose Bowl from the comfort of your own home.I know, I know, BYU fans have no business commenting on a Utah article since
we're only playing in the puny little Armed Forces Bowl, right? But
BYU fans weren't the ones spending months and months waving PAC-12 flags in
people's faces yelling, "I'll be first in line to get tickets to the Rose
54-10:That will be the score next Saturday at halftime. Awesome!
Sagarin RatingsTulsa: 31Utah: 38BYU: 41Georgia
Classic match-up. Number 3 rushing offense in the nation against the number 7
rushing defense. Something will give. Georgia Tech, a great
opponent. Fifteen straight bowl appearances. A team that defeated the number
5* team in the nation by 14 points. And losing to the number 10* team by 11 and
losting to gthe number 13* team. (*ranking at the time their game was
played)This year has truly been big-time football the the Utes.
Vegas has the over/under at just over 3,000 ute fans showing up for this bowl.
Anyone want to take the under with me? Outside of SLC the utes travel no one.
Bet the Y outsells them 5 to 1. Enjoy el paso
re: bballjunkieI'll take the sun bowl any day with a quality
opponent like Ga. Tech vs. the Armed Forces Bowl and Tulsa. That independence
thing seems to really be working out well so far doesn't it?
Funny how the sun bowl is now the new rose bowl..you have to love ute fans..lol
This should be a good match-up. One of the nation's best running offenses
(Georgia Tech) vs. one of the nation's best running defenses (Utah). Utah's past
experience against Air Force should contribute to their preparation and give
them the edge, in my opinion. Still, the Utes never beat Air Force easily. But,
having nearly a month to prepare will help a lot. Still, a tough game this will
be. If Hays and the Utes can avoid turning the ball over, they will be tough to
beat. Go Utes!
Obsessed BYU fans like Ducky, Notsmartenough et. al. are out in droves once
again drawn like I moth to a flame to anything doing with their BCS big brother
on the hill in SLC. Your obsession would by funny if it werent so annoying.
I know it hurts that Utah is going to a bowl game that actually has some
tradition as well as against fellow BCS team. Your team is playing in a low
level bowl against Conference USA middling team; seems about right; too funny
that you set yourselves up for it every time.Utes better be ready for the
Yellow Jackets as theyll want revenge for last time when they came in ranked and
Utah smacked them around in San Francisco.
I can think of two words that kind of sums up the Utes performance in important
games this past year... Choke and embarrassment.We shall
Great bowl opponent? Really? Number 45 Georgia Tech? Just FYI Tulsa is ranked
higher than both Utah and your opponent. Being in a BCS conference does not
make you a good team, just look at Colorado! Oh wait, maybe a bad example for
y'all. I do think this is a good matchup for you though. It there's one BCS
conference weaker after the top two or three than the PAC 12 it's the ACC.
What a great year to be a football fan in Utah. Three teams in bowls. Two had
exciting seasons overcoming big problems but they never gave up. I don't know
about anyone else, but I'm excited for all the games. Good luck to the Cougs
and Aggies and especially to my UTES.
@Uteology Did Utah play a 'real schedule' this year. I recall
reading about the embarrassment of the Pac 12 commissioner about the 'title'
game. The Pac 12 South is an exceptionally weak division.
worf | 8:30 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011Newsflash your team got
"waxed" by Utah.Just be happy that your team played a SOS
of 97 and went 9-3. If you played a real schedule you get "waxed" to
a 5-7 season.
Too smart for you...I find these boards funny, entertaining and festive!!
If we just congratulated and hugged each other virtually, I probably wouldn't
tune in...Don'tet it bother you... It's free... It's silent and you
have to go find it...it doesn't come knocking on your door or ringing your cell
phone!!!Note to you...if you dial in...you will see fans jawing with
other fans...I love it!!! I don't come here for warm fizzles...sorry you do...
Just because a car is waxed, doesn't mean it's reliable. The Pac-12 and Sun Bowl
are mild wax jobs, but the utes are still a clunker. Colorado and Washington
State proves this.Georgia Tech 42Utah 3
Mark it down!
6 straight years for the SEC.... It is them and then EVERYBODY else!
@GoRed"It would be nice if both fan bases could tell each other
congratulations and move on." I agree;Great jobs
Utes on a awesome Bowl! with GeTechAnd to the Y and their Tulsa Bowl
match up.Congratulations all you Band of Lil Brothers on your
El paso? Huh. Fun? Really.
Good bowl opponent. Sun Bowl matches 2 teams from BCS conferences
while Armed Services Bowl matches 2 non BCS conference teams.Looks
like things are working out as they should.
Winning the MWC gets you...S.D. County Credit Union PoinsettiaTCU vs. Louisiana Tech (8-4 WAC Champ)I bet TCU is counting the
days when they join the Big 12... while BYU counts the number of days between
@ Quackhunter "I love how the 1st 2 posts are utah
"fans" referencing BYU. Little bros forever." I love
how Ducky always has been and always will be obsessed with the Utes. Your envy
and jealousy shows through time and time again. Every time you post on a Utah
board it proves my point. Go Tulsa!!
Duckhunter | 6:56 p.m. Dec. 4, 2011Highland, UTI love how the 1st 2
posts are utah "fans" referencing BYU. Little bros forever.--------------Says a BYU fan who cares so much for Utah football
that he posted on a Utah bowl article yet hasn't congratulated his own team on
its bowl article.
Come on, both fan bases, move on! Yes, the first 2 posts took a jab at BYU.
Yet, several more BYU fans were busy making comments on this article on the
Utes, making predictions how they'll fail, making references to the Colorado
loss, still not coming to terms with the 54-10 blow out loss to the Utes, etc.
It gets tiresome. It would be nice if both fan bases could tell
each other congratulations and move on.
Duckhunter...I didn't mention the team down south in my post...referenced
two bowls...and my opinion of Utah's bowl invite compared to them.But while you are reading, can you let us k ow is Tulsa is D1 or D1-AA?Good luck
1st year in the PAC-12 and we make the Sun Bowl. Not a bad year.Go
I understand the enthusiasm for going to El Paso for the Sun Bowl instead of Las
Vegas, but why all the agnst against the Armed Forces Bowl?BYU is
always and forever your number one priority, as expressed in these blogs; not
nearly so much from Cougar fans against the U as Y haters in both threads.Get a life, Utes! If you're truly moved on, then MOVE ON. (But after
the CU loss we know differently, don't we?) The only reason no one has
mentioned '54 - 10' is because we'd throw "we're going to the Rose Bowl
this year" back in your face.Here's a suggestion: Enjoy YOUR
bowl and we'll enjoy OURS. And to show I'm serious, I'll pass on making a
prediction about the Utah/Ga Tech score.
The Band of Lil Brothers kept touting Vegas Bowl for the Utes, a Bowl the Cougs
can't even make now days!Its all Sun Bowl as expected!PAC 12 you gotta love it!This is just the beginning!Great job Utes!
Jenny83Still December and already Utah fans can't wait for this year
to end so they can look forward to next season.If finishing the
regular season 7-5 with an embarrassing home loss to one of the worst teams in
the country is what U consider "looking up in Ute land", the bar on
the hill has really been set low.
things are looking up? going 4-5 and losing to the worst team in the Pac 10.2
sure shows that things are looking up....Georgia Tech 35Utah
I was hoping for Vegas because it was closer but this is a pretty decent
match-up for both schools. Tech's old-school option attack vs. the U's stingy
run defense makes a compelling match-up. The U. will need to find some offense
to have a chance.
I love how the 1st 2 posts are utah "fans" referencing BYU. Little
Utes are going to play a respectable team from the ACC! Sweet! We have Chase
Hansen and Travis Wilson to look forward to next year! Things are looking up in
Ute land! :)
Utah vs. Georgia Tech in the Sun. That was what the pundits thought this past
week, but it is gratifying to see it happen.
Congrats on the bowl bid, Utes. Even if John White does play, though, the Utes
must take this game very very seriously--Ga Tech's option offense is much
tougher than Air Force's, to say the least.
A season of growing pains but the Utes showed heart and took on some tougher
teams than the band of little bunglers who got fat on WAC team combining only to
win over one team with a winning record.
PAC 12...playing ACC...Utes v ramblin' Wreck...Beats Vegas...or
Armed Forces... My opinionGo Utes