The process is driven by the coaches. The coaches nominate, they get their
collegues to vote for their players. The Dnews just compiles the data from the
coaches polls. It is the same in all sports the teams that go the deeper into
the playoffs get more players on the team. The reason is simple there are more
coaches in the stands watching the semi-finals and finals and they vote for who
they see. If the players have done their part the recruiters will know who they
are and where they play. If you have a 5'10 200 lineman on first team compared
to a 6'5 250 lineman, who do you think the recruiters are going to go after.
Congratulate those on the team and good luck to those moving on to the next
The whole all state selection is a joke. There are boys I watched all year long
who did not even make honorable mention. One of the boys who made first team
was almost laughable, if you followed the teams. Wake up, watch the
games, don't go by coaches inputs who thrive on names and politics.
FenderHe did play . Watch the PV video after the PV Cedar game on
you tube, they interview him. He talks about what great experience it was to
play in front of his old school, and how much fun it was. You would have never
guessed they lost.
@ PV long snapper blogger...it might have helped if the team by Costco actually
amanapNormally I don't respond to comments as empty as yours tend to
be, but in this case I must. The nationally ranked PV long snapper in question
didn't play this year, because he broke his leg at a national combine in the
summer. So, no, you didn't see him play and the fact you pretend you did speaks
volumes about you.The fact that he was unable to play is the reason
I would not place him on an all state team. Seems to me a kid has to actually
play to be considered. However, as I pointed out earlier, there was an O
lineman who did play, who is one of the most highly recruited kids in the state,
and his omission from the team is laughable and I would say the same regardless
of what school he played for.
In Pneumon.....'s defense I watched the team by Costco play this year and they
do use their deep snapper ALOT. Now to no defend him, he was no better than any
other deep snapper I saw in region 9. Deep snappers don't go on an all state
@fender Developing? Really? I think that's the wrong word.
SouthsideThe guy didn't say PV coaches are the only ones developing
D1 kids or that they're better than anyone else. you're putting words in his
mouth. I do agree with you that on the whole Region Nine coaches are some of
the best.As a rule it takes much more than raw talent to get a D1-A
scholarship. Just like they don't hand every smart guy with good hands a
license to practice medicine, talent has to be developed. Strength and speed
have to be maximized and D1 technique and mechanics have to be learned, so the
kids can compete in the combines and camps where the D1 coaches see them matched
up against other top talent. As a rule D1-A coaches don't take on projects;
there are just too many talented, well coached kids now to choose from.Based on the numbers I'd say it's indisputable that at least some of the PV
coaches must be doing a pretty good job of developing D1 talent. Why not just
give credit where it's due?
@Pneum... How does only PV get their kids ready for the next level? You are
either d1 talent or not don't give me this bologna about how PV coaches are so
much better than anyone else. The whole region has great coaches.. Well almost
the whole region.
Wow, unbelievable! How often do you use a deep snapper! Apparently Stanford,
ND, Washington, etc find a need for one. Apparently, ESPN and Scout.com look at
it as important enough to name someone to their "teams? Hmmm, maybe you
should ask BYU about their snapper who rolled across the ground to the punter
against TCU? As per a game this year determined by a snapper...I am sure we
could find many. Let's ask Desert Hills how important it was last year when a
bad snap went over the head of their punter and codt them more than the game?
You are clearly an "uneducated" football fan. However, as someone who
also does not have a kid in the game, nor am I a coach...but have played many
years beyond H.S., I do enjoy watching Pine View football because they are truly
being groomed for the next level, win or lose. My advice to
saltsportsfan...stick to traditional H.S. football, sounds like you have a good
would make a great coach.
saltsportsfanDo you actually read the posts before commenting? I
would humbly suggest you try that in the future. I said absolutely nothing
about a long snapper and I'm not a parent of any of the players and I'm not one
of the coaches with a sour taste in his mouth about the past season. I'm just a
fan, who likes high school and college football. Read my posts again and if you
still have an argument, then I'd love to hear it.
Fender/other Pine View Sour losers,The All-State Team that the
DesNews selected looks pretty good. No other PV player should have been
mentioned. How often do you use a deep snapper? Was there a game this year in
the state of Utah that was determined by a snap of a deep-snapper?Congratulations to the boys! It is not about you parents.
Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicov0You may be right. Most of these kids
understand recruitment. Most of them have been through it just to play next to
I am not taking anything away from those on the list. They are great players and
have earned the award, however, I am making the point that one of the highest
recruited young men in the entire state did not get mentioned. Yes, he is a
deep snapper, but he will probably see more time on a D1 field than anyone else
mentioned on the 3A list. As per your PV remarks, the season is over, move on,
this comment had nothing to do with any school other than the that is where the
kid plays. To be quite honest with you, win or lose, PV puts more kids into D1
programs than any other HS in Region 9. Teaching kids to chop block is easy,
teaching them how to really play is a little more difficult. Take all the shots
at PV you would like, the fact of the matter is that there are fewer players at
PV paying for college...including their DS.
These teams are political in nature every year,It's not supposed to matter if
your team wins or not but it does because instead of doing their homework and
finding out who the best players are it's easier to pick the kids off the
winning teams.It's not going to change, the people in the know who the best kids
are and many of them we left off the first team and have been in the past and
will be in the future,@Fender,the guys your arguing with on here are just ill
informed,I'm sure they will take the comment personally,don't guys.
Not true Cedar Post.look at the 4A selections...players that won
with better team records and had better stats were passed up. Some of the
selected were on sub .500 teams. Sorry.
SirTipsALotOf course it does, and that may be a factor, althugh I
note there are other first teamers, whose schools didn't win the championship or
even make the playoffs. I believe strongly the MVP award goes to
the best player on the team that wins, and that certainly happened. The Scott
kid from Hurricane is totally deserving.That said, placement on the
All State first team is supposed to be based on individual merit, not team
accomplishment...you get a trophy as a team for that. The first team is supposed
to include the best players in a classification at their positions. If there's
any doubt, you give it to the kid whose team finished higher, but in this case
there's no doubt.The kid in question may not care one way or the
other for all I know. I'm just saying that an omission this big hurts the
credibility of the whole process and takes something away from the honor. i
know I wouldn't want to be in front of somebody better and more deserving.
Totally agree with sirtips. you could be the supposed #1 in the country but it
doesn't matter if you lose. you play to win the game and that is where most of
the recognition comes from. no one really cares about sub 500 teams. congrats to
all who made it tho.
RE: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo (seriously?) and fender:You have got
to be kidding! I guess the comment board is here just so you can vent, but it
sure seems like "sour grapes". If all these players are so good why
was their team so bad? The long snapper gets little to no recognition locally
but gets recognized nationally and you complain he's not on the all state team?
And then claim politics and a "diminishment" of the honor for those
who did make it? Get over yourself! You are giving PV a bad name! Congrats to all the players who made it and for those who did not, work
Fender, It really helps to win
Tigermanyes, that may be true, but there's another kid off that same
team who is on the ESPN All Utah team (top eleven regardless of classification),
ESPN Top 150 Watch List (Best 300 juniors in the country), top five O linemen in
the West by Rivals.com, NUC Top Prospect (top fifteen at his position in the
country), Underarmour and Army All American game invite and a recruit of every
major program in the country, and that kid isn't on the first team?Sure all those analysts and highly paid college coaches may be completely
wrong, but I doubt it. If, as the DNEWS says, they make every effort to put the
most deserving individual players on the team, then it doesn't add up.
Omissions of that kind demonstrate how highly political the process is and
diminishes the honor for those who receive it.
Congrats to all these hard working young men, way to go! Glad to see B Scott get
the MVP as he was very deserving this year.As for the deep snapper
from Pineview it sounds like he has the right people looking at him and he will
get his reward for his hard work but to think they are going to put a guy on the
all state team just because he is a great deep snapper is crazy...not gonna
Wonderful season for region 9 to bring home both State Champs and runner up,
tremendous achievement.I feel the future 3A State Champ will be here
again in 2012 !
Interesting, the highest ranked player by position in the entire state is not on
the 3-A all-state team? Kolton Donovan is listed on the All West Team by both
ESPN.com and Scout.com but can't seem to make the Utah 3-A All State Team? I
know this kid and his family. He is probably one of the hardest working and
most respected young men to run in the "specialist" circle in the
country. All of these young men our deserving, however because this kid is not a
quarterback/high profile player he recieves no recognition? As mentioned, I
live near him and know he has been visited by Stanford, ND, Washington and many
others. I understand it doesn't mean much in the big picture, however for a
young man with his talent to go without notice is a shame. Congrats to the
young men on the list, this is a great accomplishment.
Congratulations to all of these hard working young athletes! Be the ambassadores
of football and academics! Be an example out there in the world! Goodluck to all
of the seniors and play football for as long as you can! Enjoy it, live it, and
love it! To the underclassmen who made All State, its your time to be those
examples to the other guys on your team. Lead not only on the field, but lead in
the classromm and in life. It's your opportunity to take it to any levl that you
Interesting... the highest ranked player (by position) in the entire state is
not even selected? The Pine View Deep Snapper (Kolton Donovan) is ranked 4th in
the entire country, listed on ESPN and Scout.com all west teams... but not to an
All-State team? Congrats to all those on the list, well deserved.