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Published: Thursday, Dec. 1 2011 8:47 p.m. MST

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Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo
St. George, UT

Interesting... the highest ranked player (by position) in the entire state is not even selected? The Pine View Deep Snapper (Kolton Donovan) is ranked 4th in the entire country, listed on ESPN and Scout.com all west teams... but not to an All-State team? Congrats to all those on the list, well deserved.

ohiostatefan
DRAPER, UT

Congratulations to all of these hard working young athletes! Be the ambassadores of football and academics! Be an example out there in the world! Goodluck to all of the seniors and play football for as long as you can! Enjoy it, live it, and love it! To the underclassmen who made All State, its your time to be those examples to the other guys on your team. Lead not only on the field, but lead in the classromm and in life. It's your opportunity to take it to any levl that you want!

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo
St. George, UT

Interesting, the highest ranked player by position in the entire state is not on the 3-A all-state team? Kolton Donovan is listed on the All West Team by both ESPN.com and Scout.com but can't seem to make the Utah 3-A All State Team? I know this kid and his family. He is probably one of the hardest working and most respected young men to run in the "specialist" circle in the country. All of these young men our deserving, however because this kid is not a quarterback/high profile player he recieves no recognition? As mentioned, I live near him and know he has been visited by Stanford, ND, Washington and many others. I understand it doesn't mean much in the big picture, however for a young man with his talent to go without notice is a shame. Congrats to the young men on the list, this is a great accomplishment.

kokua
KAYSVILLE, UT

Wonderful season for region 9 to bring home both State Champs and runner up, tremendous achievement.

I feel the future 3A State Champ will be here again in 2012 !

Tigerman
La Verkin, UT

Congrats to all these hard working young men, way to go! Glad to see B Scott get the MVP as he was very deserving this year.

As for the deep snapper from Pineview it sounds like he has the right people looking at him and he will get his reward for his hard work but to think they are going to put a guy on the all state team just because he is a great deep snapper is crazy...not gonna happen.

fender
Washington, UT

Tigerman

yes, that may be true, but there's another kid off that same team who is on the ESPN All Utah team (top eleven regardless of classification), ESPN Top 150 Watch List (Best 300 juniors in the country), top five O linemen in the West by Rivals.com, NUC Top Prospect (top fifteen at his position in the country), Underarmour and Army All American game invite and a recruit of every major program in the country, and that kid isn't on the first team?

Sure all those analysts and highly paid college coaches may be completely wrong, but I doubt it. If, as the DNEWS says, they make every effort to put the most deserving individual players on the team, then it doesn't add up. Omissions of that kind demonstrate how highly political the process is and diminishes the honor for those who receive it.

SirTipsALot65
Hurricane, UT

Fender,

It really helps to win

TchrClubHS
Santa Clara, UT

RE: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo (seriously?) and fender:
You have got to be kidding! I guess the comment board is here just so you can vent, but it sure seems like "sour grapes". If all these players are so good why was their team so bad? The long snapper gets little to no recognition locally but gets recognized nationally and you complain he's not on the all state team? And then claim politics and a "diminishment" of the honor for those who did make it? Get over yourself! You are giving PV a bad name!

Congrats to all the players who made it and for those who did not, work harder!

cedarpost
Washington, Utah

Totally agree with sirtips. you could be the supposed #1 in the country but it doesn't matter if you lose. you play to win the game and that is where most of the recognition comes from. no one really cares about sub 500 teams. congrats to all who made it tho.

fender
Washington, UT

SirTipsALot

Of course it does, and that may be a factor, althugh I note there are other first teamers, whose schools didn't win the championship or even make the playoffs.

I believe strongly the MVP award goes to the best player on the team that wins, and that certainly happened. The Scott kid from Hurricane is totally deserving.

That said, placement on the All State first team is supposed to be based on individual merit, not team accomplishment...you get a trophy as a team for that. The first team is supposed to include the best players in a classification at their positions. If there's any doubt, you give it to the kid whose team finished higher, but in this case there's no doubt.

The kid in question may not care one way or the other for all I know. I'm just saying that an omission this big hurts the credibility of the whole process and takes something away from the honor. i know I wouldn't want to be in front of somebody better and more deserving.

Pac 12 Fever
Salt Lake City, UT

Not true Cedar Post.

look at the 4A selections...players that won with better team records and had better stats were passed up. Some of the selected were on sub .500 teams. Sorry.

Dr Rush
Saint George, UT

These teams are political in nature every year,It's not supposed to matter if your team wins or not but it does because instead of doing their homework and finding out who the best players are it's easier to pick the kids off the winning teams.It's not going to change, the people in the know who the best kids are and many of them we left off the first team and have been in the past and will be in the future,@Fender,the guys your arguing with on here are just ill informed,I'm sure they will take the comment personally,don't guys.

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo
St. George, UT

I am not taking anything away from those on the list. They are great players and have earned the award, however, I am making the point that one of the highest recruited young men in the entire state did not get mentioned. Yes, he is a deep snapper, but he will probably see more time on a D1 field than anyone else mentioned on the 3A list. As per your PV remarks, the season is over, move on, this comment had nothing to do with any school other than the that is where the kid plays. To be quite honest with you, win or lose, PV puts more kids into D1 programs than any other HS in Region 9. Teaching kids to chop block is easy, teaching them how to really play is a little more difficult. Take all the shots at PV you would like, the fact of the matter is that there are fewer players at PV paying for college...including their DS.

defhed
HURRICANE, UT

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicov0
You may be right. Most of these kids understand recruitment. Most of them have been through it just to play next to costco!

saltsportsfan
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Fender/other Pine View Sour losers,

The All-State Team that the DesNews selected looks pretty good. No other PV player should have been mentioned. How often do you use a deep snapper? Was there a game this year in the state of Utah that was determined by a snap of a deep-snapper?
Congratulations to the boys! It is not about you parents.

fender
Washington, UT

saltsportsfan

Do you actually read the posts before commenting? I would humbly suggest you try that in the future. I said absolutely nothing about a long snapper and I'm not a parent of any of the players and I'm not one of the coaches with a sour taste in his mouth about the past season. I'm just a fan, who likes high school and college football. Read my posts again and if you still have an argument, then I'd love to hear it.

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovo
St. George, UT

Wow, unbelievable! How often do you use a deep snapper! Apparently Stanford, ND, Washington, etc find a need for one. Apparently, ESPN and Scout.com look at it as important enough to name someone to their "teams? Hmmm, maybe you should ask BYU about their snapper who rolled across the ground to the punter against TCU? As per a game this year determined by a snapper...I am sure we could find many. Let's ask Desert Hills how important it was last year when a bad snap went over the head of their punter and codt them more than the game? You are clearly an "uneducated" football fan. However, as someone who also does not have a kid in the game, nor am I a coach...but have played many years beyond H.S., I do enjoy watching Pine View football because they are truly being groomed for the next level, win or lose. My advice to saltsportsfan...stick to traditional H.S. football, sounds like you have a good would make a great coach.

Southside
SAINT GEORGE, UT

@Pneum... How does only PV get their kids ready for the next level? You are either d1 talent or not don't give me this bologna about how PV coaches are so much better than anyone else. The whole region has great coaches.. Well almost the whole region.

fender
Washington, UT

Southside

The guy didn't say PV coaches are the only ones developing D1 kids or that they're better than anyone else. you're putting words in his mouth. I do agree with you that on the whole Region Nine coaches are some of the best.

As a rule it takes much more than raw talent to get a D1-A scholarship. Just like they don't hand every smart guy with good hands a license to practice medicine, talent has to be developed. Strength and speed have to be maximized and D1 technique and mechanics have to be learned, so the kids can compete in the combines and camps where the D1 coaches see them matched up against other top talent. As a rule D1-A coaches don't take on projects; there are just too many talented, well coached kids now to choose from.

Based on the numbers I'd say it's indisputable that at least some of the PV coaches must be doing a pretty good job of developing D1 talent. Why not just give credit where it's due?

amanap
Washington, ut

@fender

Developing? Really? I think that's the wrong word.

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