Just hope things are not being rushed. Good luck!
Good Luck. Stay healthy and get the game to a point where Jake can clean-up
again, thus both of you keeping your skills current.GO COUGARS!!!
He has no business playing this week. Give the team back to Jake. He is the
future of the team.
Hawaii is going to take Riley apart, then finish with Jake. Which will be bad
news for the Bowl game.
Usn, although I still wish jake were going to be the future, I think the guy is
gone. He has been asked several times recently about transferring and his only
response is "now is not the time to talk about that." Even if jake was
mostly undecided I think he would say something typical like " I am
committed to this program" and then decide in offseason. The fact that he
wont even give a half hearted commitment right now says to me he is gone. And
before you go crazy on me, I have said nothing about whether he can or should be
the future. Its simply my guess that based on his weak responses that he is
Love Riley Nelson, but this seems so unnecessary and so premature. Allow Jake
to start against Hawaii and bring Riley in on an "as-needed" basis.
Why would BYU choose to jeopardize the long-term health of a young athlete by
rushing his full recovery. Rest him against Hawaii and save him for the bowl
I agree his responses have been weak but it seems like the coaches have given up
on him. If they want Riley back next season then he doesn't need to play. A
collapsed lung is nothing to play around with.
WJUThe reason Heaps was sidelined was not because of an injury, but
because of fear, and lack of real leadership when his team mates needed him.Give it back to Heaps ? No that is not an option. Ted H. is
on the right track however, he stopped short. Heaps has a weak heart and like
all drama queens he needs the spot light, without it he simply fades out and
Maybe he will get another cheap shot that will give the reigns back to Jake
Heaps in the first quarter.
Noooooooo!!! Please don't play Nelson at QB anymore.
Stupid on Mendenhall's part to give Nelson the snaps all week against an
opponent where 1) it will be likely that Hawai'i head hunts the Cougar
quarterbacks, and 2) BYU will need Heaps to be sharp.My prediction
is that BYU will lose big on the island! Just another example of Mendenhall's
inability to properly prepare a team with lots of potential.
Bronco is proving he doesn't have what it takes to be a successful head coach.
There is absolutely no reason to rush Nelson back on the field like this - he is
rusty and still banged up. Given Hawaii's propensity for getting very emotional
against BYU there is a strong chance that Nelson will get sacked a few times and
reinjured. Then Heaps will have to go in the game cold without having had the
starter's reps in practice. Let Heaps start this game and bring back Nelson for
the bowl game fully healed with more practice under his belt.Bad,
Adios Jake! Another brilliant decision by Bronco.
Bad move. Jake is the future and should be the starter. Nelson should be the
safety net on the bench. Fans want to see the starter even he only takes baby
steps in getting better.
Can't wait to watch those Warriors beat BYU this weekend. Good to see this
"INDEPENDENT" thing working out nicely for BYU!!! Maybe Carl Benson
will be at the game to get BYU to sign a contract to play in the WAC!
Wow, my respect rating for Bronco is lower than my respect for Obama...and that
is low.How can Bronco keep making these kind of decisions...isn't
anyone advising him?Sad, sad and sad.
If I hear Jake is the future one more time I may vomit. If we had all american
talent at RB and WR positions then he would be a very good quarterback. Hoffman
and Apo are solid, but that is it, and Hoff is gone next year. No one else can
get open against good defenses with speed. (see Utah, Ole Miss, Texas, and TCU
games) And our RB's are not good enough to keep the defenses honest. If receivers were open and Jake had time he would be a great QB, but against
good defenses Jake has no time and WR's are not getting open....at that point
Jake is an average athlete that is terrible when under pressure and he becomes a
sitting duck. Jake is not the future against top tier
competition....which is where BYU would like to be considered. Against the New
Mexico States and Idaho's of the college football world, if that's what you want
Cougar fans, then yes, Jake is the future.Riley at least gives us a
shooting chance against the big guys with a little above avg arm and his ability
to run. Love his heart and leadership as well.
Honor Code, if I was from Colorado I would be excited to see someone else beat
BYU since nobody in Colorado can. Like exclamation points much?
Uh oh...coach Doman said Miraculous.Cue the obnoxious utah fans...
7dawgSend me your address...I will send you some barf bags.With some people, the truth hurts.But in your case you, it seems
it makes you sick.Sorry
Run and not be weary, walk and not die from a collapsed lung next time you get
pile driven into the turf....
Is Riley crazy? Not the same when he saw as a USU player because Hawaii always
hungry against BYU. Jake should start along with heart like Riley did, don't
play scare, don't be a robot and stay away from medias. And lastly, Riley hasn't
practiced with his new protection gear? I remember Jimmy Mac had to wear knee
brace (or braces) and he said it wasn't so confortable to move around. I
wouldn't want to see Riley carrying around this Oxygen Cylinders in the near
future or worse!
Mendenhall has made the right call. If the doctors clear the kid to play, if
Riley feels prepared to play and if he'd earned the starting job (he was the
starter when injured), you play him until he doesn't perform. It's not just the
message to Riley or Jake, it's the message to every other player on the team.
You put it out there, you give your all, you earn it, and you get it. If Jake leaves BYU, he will not play on Sundays. If he redshirts next year,
he most likely will. Someone mark it down and let me know how I did in a couple
Predictable how all the Ute trolls can't slam BYU, Bronco, Jake or Riley enough
over this game. I guess the frustration from blowing it big time against
Colorado is just too much to take without letting off steam. After all, they
could have been in line to be wiped all over the field by Oregon if they could
have defeated the league DOOR MAT but 39 yards in a half shows the Utes
"certainly were ready to play"------pumped up by "Kyle and
Norm" and raring to go. Too funny.......By the way, how's the
PAC 10.2 South lately....fired any more head coaches?LOL!!!GO COUGARS
WA_Alum&Dad ...If Jake leaves BYU, he will not play on
Sundays. If he redshirts next year, he most likely will. Someone mark it down
and let me know how I did in a couple of years. No need to
Riley > JakeThat being said, even if Riley has nearly recovered,
he should rest this week so that he is 100% for the bowl game, when the stakes
are high.A win in the bowl gets us another top 25 team and then we
can claim 2 top 25 teams this year.
7 Dawg: Where is Hoff going?
another horrible decision and just plain lies from Bronco. Riley is Bronco's
guy and will always be praised. This decision was made a long time ago. My
guess is that it isn't a "miraculous" recovery at all but probably not
as bad as originally diagnosed and now he is cleared to play, making him look
more like a "warrior". Bronco makes the guy out to be a Navy Seal or
a champion MMA fighter. Jake took the fall for Doman's learning curve and lack
of running game, and played against far better competition. When given the
opportunity against the same weak competition he has had better games than Riley
did and earned the starting job back, only to have it ripped away by poor
coaching decisions. Now we have to worry about Jake transferring. If that
happens, Bronco needs to be fired.
Article should read,Riley Nelson cleared to play, Heaps likely to
transfer!I think Bronco has done a poor job in handling this QB situation.
He's annointed Nelson like he is some kind of miracle worker all the while
instilling no confidence in Heaps and giving him lip service. As a fan can you
honestly look at this team and say we are a great team, I can't. I can say that
we have potential, but we've seen how far Riley can take us. If you are happy at
9-3 or 8-4 Riley is your guy. Heaps would have won every game that Nelson
started, but the experience alone would have allowed him to develop into the QB
we all expected him to be.
toosmartforyou | 8:36 a.m. Nov. 30, 2011 Wow! Way to lay out the
bait for the Utah trolls! I guess you really want to raise the level of the
conversation around here. :) I love your arguments. They are very persuasive, on
topic, and smart...too smart for me.Anyway. As a Ute fan I wish
Riley a safe return to play. It just shows what an amazing athlete he is to heal
I love this! Coach M is the man! Please, cougars, play Nelson. I guarantee
Hawai'i will smell the fear, as Nelson will be afraid of getting hit. He's not
about to stay in the pocket, and he's not about to expose himself by throwing
the deep ball--too much risk of taking a solid hit, and getting hurt. He cried
during his first game with Hawai'i when he was at USU? Wait till this Saturday.
And, once he goes down, there will be that much more fear in the eyes of Heaps.
This is NOT going to be a good game for the Y. Hawai'i 36, BYU 9. Yes, you heard
it here first....
fan in orem-My fault. Hoffman is not going anywhere thank goodness.
I thought he was a Sr.
As much as I think Heaps my be the future you cannot honestly say that Heaps is
the better quarterback today over Riley. Riley is by far the better leader and
has the respect of his team. Jake was the primary reason that BYU was loosing
the Utah State game which was a lost game, until Riley the gamer that he is took
the team on his back and refused to lose. Please stop trying to rewrite history
Jake was doing very poorly and the offense was stagnant until Riley took over.
Heaps "may" be the better quarterback in the future, may have more
potential in the future, but Riley is by far the better quarter back
"today" and will be the better quarter back next year. Jake has yet
to prove he can consistently make a pass over 15 yards. He continues at times
to make bad reads and has no touch on some of his passes that are thrown to hard
to wide open receivers. Many players never live up to their potential and Jake
is still in potential catagory.
This seems really premature in a game that doesn't mean anything. Save Nelson
for the bowl game. Heaps is gone.
Starting Riley if healthy and cleared to play is absolutely the right thing to
do. Those of you that think Heaps is the future apparently have short-term
memories. If he's the future based on what he did during the first 5 games of
the season then BYU's future is pretty bleak. I'm not saying that Heaps can't be
a good to great QB for BYU down the road, he just needs some seasoning and he
also needs some more time on the bench to get hungry. I think a redshirt year
for him would be ideal, with him competing for the starting job in 2013 and '14.
If he decides he doesn't want to do that and chooses to transfer instead,
sobeit.And don't get too excited about how Heaps has performed
recently against Idaho and New Mexico State. This time last year he was doing
the exact same thing against pretty pitiful competition. Heaps may be a great QB
against the terrible teams but he's also proved he folds like a house of cards
against the good teams.
You guys that think Heaps is the Future are carazy. BYU is a completely
different and much better team with RIley on the field. END OF STORY
It really doesn't matter. Win or lose at Hawaii is the same. We still go to
the same bowl. The biggest risk is putting a player out there who could really
get hurt seriously. There is no miracle, his ribs are in no way healed in that
short time. Who are we kidding. Bronco is putting a kid into
danger, and there is no reason whatsoever. And this I predict, we
will get down into the blue zone, and Nelson will chuck the ball up into the air
for grabs as the pressure gets to him. BYU will again squander chances to score
at least 2-3 times directly due to the way Riley Nelson handles pressure in a
big game. This isn't really a big game, but Hawaii thinks it is.
That's all that matters. I think I'll take some Advil "before"
kickoff. Gonna need it.
Riley is a stud and I am stoked that he will be starting this Saturday. You have
to love this guys courage and heart.
Nelson earned the right to play - he should play. Kind of like earning the
right to be in a bowl game. Kind of like earning the right to be a coach.
Bronco continues to show his quality by winning games - arguably against lesser
opponents at times - but a win is a win. The writing is on the wall
for coach K. You can't continue having PAC 12 losing conference seasons, lose
to Colorado when you should have played in the title game, have no offense, hire
yesterday's news coaches, and continue to earn the right to coach in this new
era of pay for performance. Losing in high stakes c-football is no longer
forgivable. These were seasoned, veteran coaches that even just 5-10 years ago
would probably still have their jobs. Now the precedence is set and it is game
on. The warning bell was just sounded very loud and clear for the Utes. Mr. B,
can you not mark this down?Ute fans, congrats on your bowl game and
enjoy the off-season, but I recommend sleeping with one eye open...
Bronco and the doctors will not take a risk with Riley's health. If they
believe he is not 100%, they will not play him. If he's ready to play, he'll be
under center.For all the fans who continue to compare Riley to Jake,
it reminds me of the Marc Wilson vs Jim McMahon controversy a couple of decades
ago. Riley has proven he can move the offense, Jake has not. Jake probably has
more NFL potential than Riley, but Ben Olsen had tons of potential also.
Potential only counts if you reach it.I hope Jake stays at BYU, and
with a redshirt year reaches his potential. Even if he transfers, he'll be
redshirting next year (unless he goes to a FCS school). I just hope he doesn't
try to recruit Apo and Stout to follow him.If Jake transfers, it tells me
something about his inability to work through adversity. If he does
transfer, Taysom Hill will be arriving on campus in January. He could redshirt
next season behind Nelson, Lark and Munns. And in 2013, we'd still have two
solid QB's in Munns and Hill to battle for the starting position.
Please, people, I BEG you to stop with the notion that Heaps can't get any
better! Who are you to say that we have seen the best of Jake Heaps and he can
never be a leader? Who are you to say that he will never step up when needed?
Who are you to say Heaps will never match up to Nelson?Besides, you
keep saying that Heaps is not the future. Then who is? Riley? He graduates
after next season, and next year's schedule isn't much better from this year's.
Besides, you say that Heaps can't beat top teams, but how many top teams has BYU
beat with Nelson as QB? Why couldn't Nelson inspire the team to win against
TCU? How come he didn't save us against Utah? How do you know Heaps is the
problem, and not Doman's offensive schemes?Don't get me wrong; I
like Nelson. He shows a lot of heart, and he stepped up when we needed him.
But if you compare the two (including the opponents they've faced), it's
difficult to say that Nelson is clearly the superior QB. Give Heaps some slack!
Hey 7dawg. Help me out here. What big dogs does Riley give us a chance against?
TCU? Do you think he would have looked any better against Ole Miss or Texas? USU
was caught off guard when Nelson came in, then he goes on to beat Idaho, San
Jose St, Idaho St. Are those teams better than NMSU? Oregon St is no better than
UCF. My point is Nelson hasn't really beat anyone either. All I hear
and read after the NMSU game was, well yah..Heaps looked good, but it was New
Mexico St. For some reason Bronco and the Nelson fan club/media act like Nelson
beat good teams.
JustintimeY reflects my sentiments exactly. However, this is a pretty
meaningless game and I would hate to see Riley get popped again--physically he
could take it, but another hit like that might affect him mentally. But I don't
know how ready his based on his practices. Maybe he is 100%.Veracity--you're related to Jake Heaps, right?I hope Jake stays
because I think he potentially will be really good after one more year. But I
don't think that the coach should start him just because he might transfer if he
doesn't start him.
Thanks Chris, I'm on my way to the casino now! Native American gaming is
awesome!Having broken a rib myself, my hat is off to anyone who can
not only stand up and stay in the game with a fracture, but throw a touchdown
pass two plays later. I could barely raise my elbow for two weeks, let alone
throw a ball. I milked mine to keep me out of dish duty for a month, he wants to
play football in two weeks.Heaps lost the starting position as the
result of his poor performance on the field, not because of a lack of talent. As
long as Nelson is performing in the manner that he has, this should be his job
Re: CWEBThen why even watch the game? Or why bother being a fan?
Actually, in fact, I rather doubt you're a fan at all.
BYU ruined Jake Heaps in much the same way that Ron McBride almost ruined Alex
Smith. Luckily Utah was able to save Alex before it was too late, thanks to
Play Heaps and keep Heaps in as long as the offense is moving. Heaps has earned
the right to continue starting. Let Riley heal so he is ready when needed.
RE: KinaCougBest comment I have read on these DNews boards in months. RE: 1232We all must be 'Carazy'. Seriously? "END OF
STORY" How did you come to this conclusion? The magical 42-7 win over
Idaho? You know, the same team that NMSU beat. Was it the win over powerhouse
Idaho St? Maybe the high 5 to the side judge in the TCU LOSS. A 2 pt conversion
w 2 min left to make a blowout look closer that it really was. Is that the sign
of a great leader? Did you watch the TCU game? Did the OSU game make it END OF
STORY? OSU had 3 wins total & a loss to Sac St. WOW! I admit watching the
USU come back was great. USU was not prepared for Nelson, but it might be more
of a reflection on how USU played than Nelson. USU has been the most up and down
team in the country in almost every game. They blow big 2nd half leads to
Auburn, BYU, Fresno and LaTech and have huge second half comebacks against HI,
SJSU and Nevada. Please let us all know why it is END OF STORY.
I see there are a lot of couch potato coaches out there who seemingly know
everything about Nelson's health and performance in practices.If
he's cleared to play he will play. Enough of these fabled stories of Hawaii
ripping him apart or even more fabled stories of Heaps emerging as a leader of
the team without some time with a clipboard in hand. If it didn't happen early
this season it not going to at all until after he redshirts.
First let me plead with the Des News, Please give us a "dis-recommend"
button so we can tell a commentator just how much we disagree with his/her
opinion.Hawaii is NOT an unimportant game. Win these last two and
we MAY end up ranked. And to win the last two, you have to win the first one.
Lose either and our mediocre season is complete.I too worry about
whether Riley really is ready and whether it is wise for his health to play him
this soon. But there is a doctor, a coach and the player himself all involved
in that decision. It is their collective decision to make. And the player has
a sports doctor for a dad, for Pete's sake. Suddenly you geniuses are smarter
than all of them combined? And those of you calling for Bronco's head on a
platter, you do realize that you are a very small minority, notwithstanding all
of you who seem to feel that way appear to have posted today.Go,
Riley! Go Cougars! Hang in faithful, Jake! You can still have the last laugh
if you really want it.
Medical personnel have cleared Riley to play, then he should play. Quite a few
armchair doctors on DNews.BYU coaches determine that Riley gives the
team the best chance to win against Hawaii, then Riley should start. Quite a few
armchair coaches on DNews.I'll put my confidence and trust in those
who have dedicated their professional lives to making such decisions, rather
than in fanatics and trolls with biases and agendas. Not sure what
all the straining at gnats is going to get most of you. I'll watch the game with
great anticipation and cheer on BYU as always. As for Jake, good
luck with whatever decision he makes at the end of the year.Good
luck Cougs! Beat the Bows and win your bowl!
Chris B has been wrong on many things but saying Riley will have fear is now at
the top of the list.
It's so nice to see all these comments from you guys making big bucks coaching
giving us all your wonderful knowledge. I'm sure your evaluation of talent will
continue to pay you well.
RE: FactcheckYou clearly have never played the game , know what coaching
is about, team sports are about,or what leadership is. The team is entirely
different with Riley on the field. It is not about who has better
"skills" or who has the better "arm". It is about who
doesn't go in and come out with a 3 and out every other series. It is about
who leads the team and gives them the best chance to win. And don't tell me
Heaps would have led them to wins over San Jose, Oregon State or even come close
vs TCU. Have you seen what Tebow has been doing lately with his inability to
play QB? just saying.
Whatever happens, Hawaii will have to prepare for two completely different QB
styles. All of this helps us at gametime. I just hope that in the past 10 years
since we played there that Hawaii has padded the concrete under the turf better
than it used to be.
Geez. What games have all you Heaps lovers been watching? He was not thrown
to the wolves by Doman. His receivers are capable of getting open. Heaps has
to throw quickly because he's afraid of the rush and can only see one receiver,
so there is not a lot of time for receivers to get open. Riley solves that
problem big time. Bronco does not love Riley over others (if he did, he'd
hold him and and protect him for the bowl game). Jake had his chances, many of
them. Against weak or strong competition, Jake failed, and mostly with
leadership. The team does not buy into Jake, they buy into Riley - its obvious
to a 4th grader. We did not lose to TCU because of Riley - we lost because of
poor special team play that put us down 14 early. And who knows who the future
for BYU is? maybe Jake, maybe Hill, maybe someone else, but all we know is
now. And Riley is the best guy to put on the field. If he is cleared and
wants to play: put me in Coach!.
Nelson is the better between the two qb's, the results speak for themselves.
What Heaps did in high school is not helping BYU score any points.
Wow...Chris B. is back from his bereavement...We all know how much
indigestion that entire crow must have caused with Utah's loss to the very lowly
Colorado Buffalos...but it is good to have your spew back.
CougFaninTX | 10:49 a.m.writes wisdom.The competition to start has to be based
on merit - what can you do for the team right now. Hawaii is not an ordinary BYU
opponent. Somehow they always get fired up for the Cougars and play with greater
than normal intensity. The Cougars need their best quarterback in the game. There is a whole lot going on that we know nothing of. What is Riley's
condition, what is Jake going to do after the season, how much does Bronco know.
Clearly everybody on this board has an opinion, and as has been said about
opinions elsewhere, they are much like corporal openings: everyone has one and
most of them stink. It will be interesting to observe what really
Young > Detmer > Bosco > McMahon ....... Nelson > Lark > HeapsWhat I am trying to illustrate is how far the gap is between what we
have now and what we've had in the past. I see this situation improving,
especially when Tanner gets here!All of that aside, Riles is our
best option to win now. If Heaps wants to transfer because he doesn't get to
play, so be it. He had a chance and forgot to play. Riles gives us the best
chance to win the rest of this year and next year. I plea for continuity at the
QB position with Riles.
Hey 1232. You are right, I never played football and don't know anything. How
did you know? I can't believe you exposed me. "The team is
entirely different with Riley on the field" What did you mean
by this? Did you mean, that the team BYU was playing was entirely different when
Riley is playing? If so, I totally agree. "And don't tell me
Heaps would have led them to wins over San Jose, Oregon State or even come close
vs TCU." Seriously? You do know San Jose St that lost to Idaho
at home right? SJSU, Idaho and NMSU are about as close as you can get. Heaps
tore up NMSU just like he would have against those other bad teams that the
mighty Nelson beat. I never said Heaps would have kept the TCU game close. Were
you implying that Nelson kept the game close? Scoring a late TD (2 min left) and
2pt conversion against the 3rd string D to cut the blowout to 10 is not keeping
it close. Heaps would have done at least as good as Nelson. As far as OSU, Heaps
could beat a 3 win team that lost to Sac St.
Chris B where have you been! You've been awfully quiet lately. How's that Rose
Bowl prediction coming? Based on your history, I'm glad you are predicting a
BYU loss. Mark it down!
1232- Also loved your Tebow comparison. Both are beating average teams. Tebow
has beaten below average teams. Only 2 of his 5 wins are against teams with
winning records Denver was blown out against the only good team Tebow has faced.
Sound familiar? By the way, go check the Sagarin rankings on Oregon
St v UCF. #81 adn #82. (66.7 and 66.4) The computers have them about as close as
they get. Oh, both are below a handfull of Div 1-AA teams. LOL. Yep, I am sure
Heaps could have beaten Oregon St. Since you threw out the 3 and
out. I will give you some stats. Heaps has more total yards even if you throw in
Nelson's rushing. Also note, Nelson padded his stats vs. Idaho St.
Chris B. is predicting a BYU loss? Oh no, this is horrible because he is ALWAYS
RIGHT! Just as he was about BYU not getting out of the first round of the NCAA
tournament last year, or about the beatdowns by SDSU in BBall, or how Jimmer
didn't win a single national POY Award, or how Utah is going to the Rose Bowl in
their Pac-12 inaugural season! This latest prediction does it for me, at least
now I won't have to waste 3 hours of my day Saturday watching that
Hawaii is not joke when it comes to hitting people hard. Riley better play smart
or he'll take a beating.I hope BYU can pull this off. Hawaii isn't
that good, but they always show up against BYU. If BYU goes in lax they will pay
for it.I don't know if I'd risk Riley in this game. I think just as
Riley earned his right to start, I think Heaps has held his own too. We all knew
Riley would get hurt this season because of the way he plays, and Heaps stepped
up. Where's Heaps reward for stepping up? Riley gets rewarded for stepping up.
How about Heaps.
What make everyone so sure that the phenom quarterback from Idaho is coming to
Provo? I guarantee you that he is probably watching this quarterback controversy
between Riley and Jake very closely. I do not blame Jake Heaps for the demise of
the offense. I blame Brandon Doman and Bronco for the lack of production out of
the offense in the first 5 games. Jake Heaps was the scape goat for breaking in
a brand new offensive coordinator. You also have to remember, that the first 5
games were BYUs toughest, and I hardly think that Riley Nelson would have fared
much better. Riley performed well against a bunch of high school teams, during
the patsy time of the schedule. During the first 5 games, Jakes offensive line
couldnt block, receivers couldnt get open and they were also dropping balls. The
running backs couldnt gain any yardage, again probably due to the offensive
line, and BYU was breaking in a very raw offensive coordinator, one who was
never a drop back, pocket passer during his playing career. Oh yeah, Doman had
to do it in the NFL, and that is why he never lasted.
factcheck,Your defense of Heaps is getting kind of annoying. And the
BYU/TCU game was not a blowout. Yes, BYU scored with just two minutes left in
the game, and no it wasn't against TCU's third string defense, but even if they
hadn't scored that last TD, a 17 point loss is not a blowout. There is no doubt
in my mind that if the Heaps we saw in the first 4 1/2 games of the season had
played in that TCU game, it would've been a blowout. In the 28-35 point range.
As quick as TCU's front line and linebackers were, and the fact that Nelson was
still able to scramble to make plays, what do you think would've happened to the
non-mobile, easily-rattled Heaps?
Jake needs to transfer, and if I was the parent of the kid out of Idaho, I would
highly encourage him to go elsewhere to play his college football. BYU has not
been the quarterback factory of old, for a very long time, and Bronco cant even
realize that that caliber of talent only comes around a very few number of
times. We all watched as Gary Crowton ruined Ben Olsen, and now were all
watching the current coaching staff ruin Jake Heaps. No other big time recruit
would want to come and join the ranks of Ben, or Jake. I really hope that if
Jake transfers, that Bronco is fired. Wont happen though, as BYU football ranks
low on the priority list for the university, and as long as that is the case,
BYU will only settle for mediocrity.
I did a little stat counting for both QBsTD/Int Heaps 9-8
Nelson 10-8QB Rating for games played (Low-High) Heaps
114(74-175) Nelson 162(111-229)Current average ranking for defenses
faced (Best-Worst) Heaps 53(9-106) Nelson 95(42-225)Top 10 -
25 - 50 defenses faced Heaps 1 - 2 - 4 Nelson 0 - 0 - 2When
you look at the numbers Nelson had a better rating but Heaps played against a
much more difficult schedule. If Heaps had stayed at QB BYU's record would be
identical to what it is now and the QB ratings would probably be near equal. If
Heaps stays at QB the wins would have erased the notion that Riley rallies the
team. Easy wins have a way of doing that. I like both QBs and want whoever
helps BYU win. Last year it was Heaps that was perceived as rallying the team.
Hey Prep(Ute) FanaticThe last 2 BYU QBs are both in the NFL, so
based on numbers Bronco has a better average of getting players there than
Lavelle. Also, you want to fire a coach who has a better record
than Lavelle and will most likely have another 10 win season?As for
Ben Olson - he had 3 years at UCLA to prove himself. I am pretty sure Crowton
was not a coach at UCLA.
Why so many fans saying that Riley is "rushing his recovery"? Where is
this reported?? What I am reading is that his body has recovered unexpectedly
quick. That's something unique to Riley, biologically. The doctor gave him the
OK to play. He isn't, therefore, rushing anything.Also, Bronco has
been clear on his policy that starters cannot lose their position due to injury.
Once they're ready to play, they move back into their starting position
immediately. The replacement player moves right back to 2nd string, like before
the injury. Jake will be the back-up should Riley decide to start. There's no
confusion, or at least there shouldn't be any.Go Cougars!! Beat the
'Bows!BYU 33UH 21
Re: Prep FanaticTroll alert! Maybe you didn't realize this but the
last two graduated starting QB's from BYU are currently on NFL rosters.
2004-2009, or six seasons, saw Beck and Hall start all but one game (the other
Beck started once for an injured Jo. Beck against USU in '04). They might not be
starting or future NFL hall of famers but just to be on rosters is an
accomplishment. Also, Gary Crowton ruined Ben Olson? How do you figure? Ben was
at BYU one year where he redshirted. When he got back from his mission, Crowton
had been fired and that was actually one of the reasons for Ben's transfer. And you don't think Mangum should go to BYU? Well, he's going on a
mission right out of high school and he gets the whole BYU experience so it
looks like football doesn't rank #1 on his priority list either.You
keep telling yourself that BYU will only be mediocre, we can tell that that's
exactly what your desperately hoping for, but the truth is BYU will be just
fine. As proven by their current Rival's ranking for their 2012 class.
Bronco likes the walk on types that will sacrifice life and limb for him so
naturally Nelson will play. Bronco has preferred Nelson since day one he just
will not come out and say it directly. Heaps was never the future with Nelson
around anyway.Heaps should get as far away from the program as
possible. Bronco has shown he does not want to develop a player with Heaps skill
set, so be it. He wants undersized scramblers with average arm strength. That
does not make him a bad coach per say just a bad coach for Heaps.A
players family should NEVER have a say in when that player is cleared. They do
not have the objectivity necessary to protect a player from stupidity like an
overbearing coach or an overzealous father, but then again ask USU how the
Nelson family is to deal with, objectivity is subjective.The truth
is BYU is playing a meaningless game. It does not matter who the QB is.
Independence, game losses, and a pathetic schedule have rendered the entire
season moot. Enjoy Hawaii it is a beautiful locale, but lets not pretend this
game has meaning.
this should be a sign to Jake Heaps - TIME TO MOVE ON!!! Nelson is going to
start EVEN after Heaps throws 4 td's in the last game. Go figure. Heaps is
wasting his time under Bronco. Actually, BYU fans are wasting good money
watching the new "Bronco-ball" which amounts to a watered down running
team. Yikes..what has happened to BYU football that USED to be so fun and
exciting to watch??? If I am a high school QB that wants to throw the ball I am
NOT considering BYU anymore. BYU has become Airforce.
Okay here is my prediction:Heaps will transfer to Utah.The first year playing for Utah, under the tutelage of Norm Chow, he will win
the Heisman Trophy and lead the Utes to their first PAC-12 conference
championship and Rose Bowl victory. Of course, on a side note, he will get some
sweet revenge on his old team as his Utes tune up and prepare for the real meat
of the their schedule (BYU will continue to wallow in its own chaotic, insecure
delusions).His senior year he will lead Utah to a glorious national
championship.He will be the first selection in the NFL draft.A struggling bottom-dwelling team will draft him.That team
will win 10 games the following year with Heaps as the starting quarterback.The following year the Pro Bowl bound Heaps will win a Super Bowl.Mark it down!
Funny how many Ute "fans" are on here claiming that Heaps should
transfer. As a cougar fan I think Jordan Wynnless should stay right where he
It is just sad to see how the coaches have tried to tear Jake down from day 1
(which isn't necessarily a bad thing to bring him along) but then not build him
back up. They have never been behind him like they have been with Riley. Can
you imagine what would have been the reaction if Jake was the starting QB in the
TCU game and had 3 mindless turnovers costing the team the win (even with the
horrendous special teams play)? Yet Riley is praised- I just don't understand
it. Bronco must have made a pact with Riley when he recruited him on his
mission that no matter how poorly he played he would be put on a pedestal.
Riley loved this idea of always being portrayed as a warrior with how full of
himself he is (see the flowing locks and bare midriff abs). Riley has also done
just as much damage as the coaches being divisive and creating a divide among
the team behind the scenes.
D'AnconiaMark it down! We'll just add it to the
never-ending list of other clueless Utah troll predictions.
Riley is a fantastic young man and a great competitor. The best
thing BYU could do is have Riley finish this season and next, with Lark as
Riley's backup next year. Jake should redshirt next year, and then
be the starter in 2013 and 2014. Jake has great potential and just needs time to
fine tune his skills, like learning to put some touch on his passes, looking off
defenders, and reading defenses. I still think Jake could finish his career as
one of the all-time great QBs at BYU, but he's going to have to work very hard
at fine tuning his game to get there.Good luck to all of the Cougars
in Hawaii!One final word...The whiners who are
questioning Bronco's coaching ability are just proving how clueless they really
are about the game of football.Bronco has suffered some ugly losses
during his tenure at BYU, but one thing he has never done is lose to a 10-loss
team, like a certain coach on the hill has already done twice.
Can anyone tell me what hospital and room number Riley will be in...I would like
to send my sympathy.
Prep Fan, Crowton ruined Ben Olson? He was only there one year, how did Crowton
Riley Nelson == Tim Tebow. Same ugly throwing mechanics. Same grit and hard
running style. BYU used to be like Boise St. but now days they seem more like
Air Force with Nelson at QB. I guess Bronco figures Nelson gives BYU a better
chance of winning with his running and BYU has turned into a grind it out team
instead of the high octane passing attack we all knew for years. I guess this
means Heaps is either going to red shirt next year or transfer. I am still
betting Jake will transfer.
@TrollPoliceDid you catch any sarcasm in D'Anconia's post?
Why do you continue to fall for the Chris B. bait? It's not like this is the
first time she's posted to the boards. Yet, you continue to fall for it. Ignore
and it will go away.I call Nelson "Riles" because I feel
close to him, like he's the people's champ. I have a friend on the team and he
says Riles is a really good guy - great leader and friend. Plus, I feel like he
offers BYU the best chance to win because he is a threat through the air and on
the ground. Moreover, he doesn't seem to get flustered or discouraged like
another BYU QB I've seen play.We win these next 2 and we're a top 25
team. Lose either and I'm not so sure.
7dawg, who is feeding you your information. Hoffman is a Sophomore. He has two
years left after this season. I agree that Jake needs to prove himself more,
but he has a much higher ceiling than that of Riley. Riley is not going to get
any better. He is a lot more mature than Jake. I think Jake will be a very
good qb in two years. He is just young right now.
I agree with Y Grad/Y Dad- A Disagree tab is much needed. It would save a few
silly posts too I think.Do any of us give credit to Coach that he
might be making it difficult for Hawaii to know who to prepare to play against
with his announcements? I hope that is his plan. Let Riley rest for
the Bowl game though.Go Cougars!!