Too bad Utah doesn't get a full share for a few years.
I agree with where's the beef, it is unfortunate. However next year @50% it
means up to $10M; the next year $15M and finally the full $20M. That's not
considering the share of the PAC-12 championship money which Utah gets every
year. Nor does it include the $8-10M projected from the PAC-12 network. Nor
does it include increased ticket revenue (football; basketball-not so much) and
contributions. Wow - it will tough to get to 2014 when we get the full share.
where's the beef:Yeah, a full share as of 2011 would have been
ideal, but even without it, we're still in a lot better of a position than we
were last year in the MWC. Last year's MWC revenue stream was just over $2M,
and that was thanks to TCU going to the Rose Bowl.This year, with $0
in TV revenue, but a full share of the Pac-12's CCG and Bowl money, Utah stands
to profit $4.6M if Stanford does NOT get a BCS Bowl, and $5.2M if they DO.And it only gets better from there. In 2012, we'll clear over $15M. In
2013, it'll be over $20.2M. And finally, in 2014, a full share of $25.5M
annually. And THOSE figures don't even include any potential revenues expected
from the Pac-12 Network [estimated to be between $8-11 million/team per year].
It shouldn't be too hard for us to make do with $5M+ when we've been busting the
BCS with less than $2M.
"Too bad Utah doesn't get a full share for a few years".Agreed.Utah's share will be as follows:2012-13 50%
(10,000,000).2013-14 75% (15,000,000).2014-15 100%
(20,000,000).From have-not to have...Sweet.Sweet.
Well over 20 million per year once starting in 2014. That is huge for Utah. It
is a little mis-leading though. As this article states, the Utes, along with a
few other teams in the PAC have less than half of the budget as some of the top
teams. The Utes need to spend a lot to even come close to having the facilities
the "bog boys" have, and all the teams in the PAC will be getting an
increase of football income at least equal to that of Utah. Hopefully the Utes
will be able to get more mileage out of thier dollars. If the ticket prices keep
going up and the Utes don't win most of their games, many people won't pay the
prices. I know some who did not renew their season tickets this year because of
Your welcome Utah...2010= 2.4 million and 10-3 record2011= 4.4
million and a 7-5 record2012= 10 million and a 6-6 record2013= 20
million and a 5-6 recordEnjoy the mediocrity!!!GO
Does this mean the University of Utah will no longer need to take money from the
general fund for sports in a couple of years? That would be nice. Are they then going to take the extra student fee they just added for
athletics off? I would hope so. It is tough enough already for the average
@TJ:I doubt you actually know anyone who didn't renew their season
tickets, since the renewal rate was nearly 99%.I'm sure the other 1%
will be snatched by former BYU fans desperate to watch a game that actually
matters (and that starts before 9:00 PM on a Saturday).
Love all the jealous Cougars posting as "Trojans" and other Pac-12
fans. Enjoy your paltry little ESPN deal and national "exposure" (aka
irrelevancy) Cougar fans.Utes are laughing all the way to the bank.
Utah has at least a couple of advantages over other PAC schools when it comes to
the budget arms race:-Construction costs in SLC are a lot lower than
they are in Los Angeles, which means Utah doesn't have to match UCLA & USC
dollar for dollar in building new facilities. (USC and Oregon have Taj Mahal
football facilities, but Utah will be comparable to everyone else, soon.)-Transportation for Utah is both easier and less expensive. This eats
up a sizable chunk of athletics budgets, quickly.Utah has also
proven it can produce a competitive football product, with far, far less money.
After a few years of recruiting in the PAC, Utah will consistently be in the
upper half of the conference, fighting for the title along with everyone
else.The PAC has far better parity - and hence, stability - than the
Big-12. It really is the Conference of Champions, with 450 NCAA titles. The
next closest conference has 200 fewer.
It's exquisite to be a Ute!
This is the year to get recruting going, with 4 and maybe 5 schools letting
coaches go. and go Utes.
@Old ball coach"2013= 20 million and a 5-6 record"Only 11 games? Interesting... now this may be hard to understand since you're
a USC fan, but generally very few other schools have to vacate wins.
@10ccWell you are aprtially correct on one of your points.
Construction costs are cheaper in Salt Lake than in L.A. But of course USC and
UCLA don't care nearly as much because they already have top notch facilities in
place whereas utah needs to build, or upgrade, every single facility they
have/need. So lower construction costs really aren't all that great in
comparison to no construction costs. Actually the only other schools that are in
major building mode are utah's fellow pac12 bottom feeders like osu and wsu.Also please explain how travel costs for utah, who along with colorado
are the only schools in their states and nowhere near any of the other
conferecnce schools has "cheaper" travel costs than the schools that
can litterally take a bus across town on game day for several of their games?Also utah has proven it can compete in a conference like the mountain
west, although conference championships in any sport were pretty rare for them
even in the mwc, but considering their losing record in the weak pac south why
should anyone believe that they'll "consistently be in the upper half of
The money won't make a piddly difference.
As a Utah taxpayer, I'm happy to see the Utes get more money. It will cost a
lot to upgrade their stadium and who knows where people are going to be able to
park, but I wish them success in that venture, too.
@DuckhunterTime to go home, you are no fun anymore. Cannot believe
how much you know about Utah. A closet Ute-we don't need you. You have had
something to write about on every Utah article the last three days. Why
shouldn't we believe that the U will be in the upper half every year, you guys
thought you were going to be national champs this year. BYU would have been
below Colorado if they would of had to of gone through a season like the Utes
just did.Another thing I'll take our "bottom feeders" over
yours anyday. You got beat this year by your biggest rival (blown out) and then
you play the bottom feeders of the WAC, your best played game was against Oregon
State, WOW!! POP OFF when you beat someone that is good. Otherwise go back to
your BYU threads and and protect all your buddies from all the Ute Trolls.
All the money in the PAC12 cannot buy happiness or wins. Like the good book
says, the love of money is the root of all evil. It sounds as if all the ute
fans and staff are just after the money. You will still be at or near the bottom
of the field, but you will have money. Mark it down! You will soon be
complaining about being on the bottom and never making it to the top no matter
how much money you bring in.I will take the honor code and respect
from the majority any day over the Conference of Chumps and their pretending
that anyone outside the PAC12 really cares about you. Keep wearing those crimson
colored glasses and bowing down to those PAC12 banners while your student body
suffers.Just like lottery money, it will be interesting to see where
the u will waste the money. Probably in building a bigger stadium to have more
empty seats or increase the HC and make it even more ridiculous.
@Portland Beavers That was good...loved your post!I
would actually be more surprised if Quackhunter didn't post on a Utah board than
I would be if the sun didn't come up tomorrow. Obsessed much?
I'm not sure why the average fan cares how much the U gets from PAC12 TV
revenue. Sure U are going to roll in the dough. But, please educate me as to
how this will benefit the average fan or the average Utah tax payer. I
understand the benefits to the athletic department, but I don't see how it
benefits anyone else.Will tuition go down? Will more money go to
teachers for a better education? Will ticket prices go down? Actually they've
announced they will go up. Will taxes go down? (I have kids who work and go to
school in Utah.)How will your life or my life change once the U
starts getting $30M from the PAC12 vs the $2M they got from the MWC?
After the Colorado loss people were posting on how bad the PAC-12 is, now that
you see the $$$$ there is a different feeling here. And AD Hill admits that the
games are much harder each week. Utah fans used to think they would be able to
compete because they would win a game against a PAC-10 once in awhile. Now that
they have to compete each week at a higher level it is 'harder'.
@portland beaversI'm having fun. If you aren't that makes it even
more fun for me. Remember I am the balance.
@Duckhunter | 5:08 p.m. Nov. 29, 2011losing record in the weak pac south
why should anyone believe that they'll "consistently be in the upper half
of the conference"?--------Simple fact is that with
ONE year of PAC-12 recruiting Utah was 3 missed field goals away from a 8-4 a #4
PAC-12 finish. And all that with a D2 QB starting for 6 games.Now,
give KW a few more years to develop depth and then we'll see.BTW
Utah had 3 offensive players make the PAC-12 1 and 2 teams. Can you please
finally tell if you still think no one from Utah would start BYU?Go
I hope this means my Utah State taxes are going down.
@UteologyJohn White would start at BYU. None of the others would.
Maybe you didn't notice but utah's offense is absolutely horrible and without
white it would have been even worse.That cullen made the 2nd team is
testament to how bad the offensive tackles in the pac12 must be because he is
horrible and single handedly accounted for almost every sack of hays in the
When all that money comes in, let me know when they start paying to fill the
seats in the HC.
@Eddie - come on, BYU has been all excited with their deal with ESPN and all the
Just Iggy Duckie & Sammy
blah blah blah...we all know that it's more about winning games then it is the
money....and the runaway utes just aren't doing that right now....hahahaha hows
that pac 10.2 treating you guys?
"All things are Relative"As of now, Utah is dead last in
Annual Athletic Budgets in the Pac 12.They currently are a whopping 10
million dollars behind lowly Washington State.After the 4th year,
Utah will finally be a "full share" team. Unlike Colorado, which
came in as a full member. And after last Friday's performance, perhaps
that is justice after all.Once Utah becomes a full share team, they
will "Still" be "Dead Last" in the Pac 12 in Athletic
Budgets.So all of this talk of how Utah will now become equal to the
Elite and Middle of the pack schools, in their new Conference, is simply
illogical. They will still need to find new revenues of 10 million per
year, just to catch up with Wazzu.Also, Christopher Hill, Utah's AD,
noted on radio that Utah's haul on the TV money is back-end-loaded and for many
years Utah's take is about 15 million, and it jumps up towards the end of the
contract.Which is abt. where BYU is right now on their TV revenues
with Independence.Utah is rated 10th Academically and are last in
Athletic budgets, they have a LongWay to go.
note:Utah is rated 10th "in the Pac-12", Academically.BYU is rated #71 Nationally...Which would rank them 6th in the
Pac-12.Utah is rated 124th Nationally. Only ASU and Oregon St.
are ranked lower.
Perhaps if the U wasn't paying professors 150+k per year, while spending only 4
hrs. per week in the classroom, they might not be dead last in Athletic Budgets
in the Pac-12.
CougFaninTX:"...please educate me as to how this will benefit
the average fan or the average Utah tax payer. I understand the benefits to the
athletic department, but I don't see how it benefits anyone else."If you understand the benefits to the Athletic Department, I don't see what
point you're trying to make. The increase in money is BY the Athletic
Department, and thus would be FOR the Athletic Department. The increase in
money pays for better facilities, better amenities, and better coaches. Those
improvements will bring about better recruits. Better recruits typically
results in more wins, and a better program. Fans like more wins. That's how it
Usually I am against the Rich getting Richer, but in the case I feel they need
the money.The PAC 12 is a very poor conference in substance...they
need the money...they need to buy better athletes...they need to buy better
coaches...they really need to buy better teams.Let's hope with this
additional money the conference will be able to BUY what they need in the way of
help for it's teams from the over-rated top to the over-crowded bottom.
10cc,Agreed. Another item for your list is tuition costs which the
athletic department must cover for every student athlete. Tuition at the U is
very low compared to most state universities. Stanford, USC and Cal the tuition
costs are out of sight. But of course, who wouldn't want a paid scholarship at
Stanford, USC or Cal.Duckhunter,A little over the top
again aren't you proclaiming that every facility at the U needs an upgrade? The
track facility is brand new and just opened last August. The baseball teams
plays at spring mobile park one of the best AAA facilities in the country. And
don't give me the argument that spring mobile is a rented facility. Many
universities including USC and UCLA play sports in rented facilities. RES was
just selected by a Arizona reporter as the #1 football facility in the PAC 12.
The Huntsman Center is still a marvelous arena. The b-ball practice gym has
just received a complete face lift and a new floor. So much for all your
upgrade talk.Also, nice to know from the article that the football
facility has gone from a $16 million project to $30 million. Must be nice.
Veracity -"Let's hope with this additional money the conference
will be able to BUY what they need in the way of help for it's teams from the
over-rated top to the over-crowded bottom."That's a funny
statement from a BYU fan who wanted BYU to join the PAC 12 before you found out
they weren't wanted! That goes for Ducky and Sammie too...come on
people...you're just making all BYU fans look ridiculous when you try to tear
down the conference you always thought would come calling for you. LOL
"Also, Christopher Hill, Utah's AD, noted on radio that Utah's haul on the
TV money is back-end-loaded and for many years Utah's take is about 15 million,
and it jumps up towards the end of the contract." -- BlutoEverything I'VE read shows Utah's Pac-12 TV/Bowl/CCG revenue steps up
incrementally from $4.6M in 2011 [$5.1M if Stanford gets a BCS bowl], to $15M+
in 2012, to $20.2M+ in 2013, to $25.5M+ every year thereafter throughout the
remainder of the Pac-12's ESPN/FOX contract. I don't listen to Utah radio back
here along the Northeast Atlantic Seaboard, but I can find no quotes from Chris
Hill -- or from anybody else for that matter -- that validates Bluto's
review.Actually, to be honest, I HAVE heard of Bluto's buzz before,
but only from the most frantic and emotional of all cougar fans. Any Ute fans
out there that confirm a "back-end-loaded" contract? I'll even accept
any cougar fans that can reference a site where I can read if for myself. Any
of THOSE out there?
in what most Ute fans consider a bad year with A third of the starters,
including the QB, with season ending injuries, the Utes were still a couple of
missed field goals away from playing for the conference championship. Yes, they
probably would have been pounded by the Ducks in that game but, I not that old
and can still remember when even being bowl eligible was a luxury. That's
without the millions of dollars and upgraded facilities. Utah may not get every
recruit they would like to have but, at least we don't have to pay them to play
like a certain University in Southern California that is currently on probation.
Utah needs to stick to its way of doing things by getting the best they ca and
find diamonds in the rough and develop them as they have been doing. They'll
still getplenty of good players as they improve. The money will just make it
easier. We have good coaches that can teach not, just coach.
Open your eyes Cougar fans,we are living your dream!
Naval Vet,Your figures are in line with what I have heard. I've
seen the TV/Bowl/CCG revenues as the following, beginning with this year: $4 M +
$15 M + $20 M + $30 M over the next 4 years for a combined $69 Million.That figure also does not include merchandising, which already accounts for
2-3 Million each year to the U's athletic budget. So if you added in 2.5 M per
year the total would be $79 Million over 4 years.The back-loaded
contract was used as a strategy because usually a school has to pay millions to
leave a conference and join another within 1 year, like Colorado did. And it has turned out to be a fantastic strategy.
@DuckhunterNo-way you are the balance, balance of what. You're the
fat kid on the teder toter with an oversized gray hoodie that has on it
"Band of Brothers". You are certainly holding up our Utes in high
fashion with all the comments you make about Utah Football and the PAC-12.
Jealous, Jealous, Jealous again I will say you know more about the Utes than you
do about your cougs.And to all you
others-Bluto,verosity,sammg,nunya, since in your eyes the PAC-12 is so bad,
would the y turn down an invite to the PAC-12? Think about that one for awhile,
I know it will never happen but just think about it and get back to me with your
450 championships is a lot...... How many years does that span? How does the
next closest at 200 have in the past 10 years? All things relative I stick by my
notion that with recent conference championships in both the BCS and NCAA
Basketball that in the course of your lifetime SEC is the true conference of
champions with no sign of stopping their indisputable dominance.
What a sad way to start a championship series...ucla, too bad the whole south
mailed it in this year!
$150K per year? So, $150K just opened itself up didn't it? LOL (at least
temporarily... If fired he will be replaced)
UtesOverTide,I am glad you mentioned the money the U gets from
merchandising. Merchandising sales have soared with all the new PAC 12 gear now
available. So much so that two new Red Zone stores have opened in Layton and
Sandy. When we were at the USC game in LA in September tens of thousands of Ute
fans were proudly wearing their new PAC 12 Ute gear.
@naval vetActually chris hill did say that in an interview a couple
of months ago on 1320 kfan with Dj and PK. I know the interview was posted and
linked to the kfan website for awhile but have no idea if they archive things
and if it can still be found there. Although I'm not sure if I understand
correctly what Bluto was saying exactly. I'm not sure if he meant it was only
back loaded for utah or else the entire conference. Obviously it is backend
loaded for utah as their share kicks in progressively, but I believe what chris
hill said in the interview was it was backend loaded for the entire conference
and did not immediately start paying out the entire value equally from the 1st
year but that the payout was progressive and that the payout to each school the
final year is higher than the payout is the 1st year.I actually
think that if that is true it is to utah's benefit as the whole league payout
will be smaller in the years utah's share is pro-rated but they will get full
shares at its peak.
This is my comment on the Rock on article and it applies here as well...
re: Mick "Utah "fans"/BYU haters;" Funny how this
works, You could say the same about BYU "fans"/UTAH haters!
motorbikeNice try. Lame, but nice try
Question: why do BYU fans care about the U's PAC 12 conference membership,
revenues, etc? As a Ute fan I couldn't care less about BYU's tv deal. I
thought Utah was irrelevant to BYU? Jealousy, perhaps.....
Naval Vet: My understanding on the revenue share is the same as yours. However,
Bluto also mentioned that BYU was also getting $15M. Does anyone know when/where
this information was disclosed? My understanding is that BYU wasn't disclosing
that info, but that people with insight into the situation were saying that a
high end estimate is that BYU was earning about $800k per game on ESPN. That
would put their revenue around $8M per year, not $15M.
Utesby3:Since the cougars refuse to release any revenue earnings,
there is no "official" report on how much money they're making.
However, from the perspective(s) of cougar fans - who are WELL aware of Utah's
enviably enormous Pac-12 contract - they've been prone to make up ridiculously
unfounded figures, and then periodically inch that balance up as speculation
abounds of Utah further widening the gap [i.e. 2 BCS bowls, Pac-12 Network, CCG,
et al].Both the DNews and the SLTrib reported the following cougar
ESPN contract details leaked by sources close to the negotiations: (1) The Y would be guaranteed a minimum of 3 Home games on ESPN or ESPN2, plus
a 4th on ESPNU. This does not imply they will air ONLY 4 games;
just a MINIMUM of 4.(2) Each broadcast game would pay the cougars
between $800K and $1.2M.Cougar fans either naturally assume, or
dishonestly boast that EVERY game would pay out the maximum dollar value, and
that games played out under their OPPONENT's ESPN contract [i.e. Texas, Ole'
Miss,...] is actually theirs.
Can the Utes just use the stadium in Utah County since it's no longer used on
Utesby3 [cont.]:Since the only games that fall under the cougars'
ESPN contract are their Home games, that means ESPN would only be concerned
about the Utah, UCF, Utah St, San Jose St, Idaho St, Idaho, and NM State games,
and MAYBE the TCU game, since as a "neutral site" game, it's
conceivable that it could fall under the nebulous details of the cougars' ESPN
contract. So for simplicity, let's presume that it DOES.One could
reasonably presume that the Utah and TCU games would capture the maximum
broadcast takings of 1.2M. Arguments can furthermore be made that UCF and USU
would capture 1M. No argument can be made where ESPN would pay the remaining
opponents more than 800K [and esp. not ISU since that game was not aired by
ESPN]. The cougars will gross 600K for their Bowl. Based on these reasonable
"high-end" figures, the cougars' ESPN contract most likely will have
grossed them $6.8M for 2011. Not $15M.
BYU has not disclosed the deal details of the ESPN contract. So, you can't
compare. Just like BYU has not disclosed their invite before Utah to the PAC-12,
Big 12, Big 10, and ACC. We finally know a little about the Big East
invite after Boise State disclosed that they were the ones that wanted BYU, not
necessarily the Big East conference.
@ Portland Beavers - Yes to the pac10.2 invite, duh...but that's not why you
guys look like baboons. the ribbing your runaway utes are getting has nothing to
do with being in the pac 10.2, ummmm, let me be the first to remind you that it
has everything to do with the utes being one of, if not the WORSE team in the
pac 10.2. especially after chris b and all you other ute fans have been popping
off about you guys being the pac south champions your first year. i notice chris
b isn't commenting anymore....well, guess what? I won't stop throwing every
loss in your faces....NEVER! and you can thank chris b for that. what a sorry
state of a program....since i've answered your question, can you answer mine?
How does being the most irrelevant team in the pac 10.2 make you feel? oh and
hows your coach k doing? hahahaha
nunya:"...let me be the first to remind you that it has
everything to do with the utes being one of, if not the WORSE team in the pac
10.2. especially after chris b and all you other ute fans have been popping off
about you guys being the pac south champions your first year."And let ME be the first to remind YOU that we came within 1 game of that
conference championship game. So it really wasn't that far-fetched of an idea
now, was it? I'd also like to point out that at 4-5 conference, we were tied
with 2 other teams, and there were 4 others with a worse conference record than
us, so we really couldn't be the "worst" team now could we? But...I'm sure you knew all that, and had just been venting, since coming
within 1-game of that CCG must've given you quite the heart attack."well, guess what? I won't stop throwing every loss in your
faces....NEVER!"54-10; and your "mid-major forever"
team quit! Haha!
@ Eddie | 6:33 p.m. Nov. 29, 2011 "All the money in the PAC12
cannot buy happiness or wins. Like the good book says, the love of money is the
root of all evil. It sounds as if all the ute fans and staff are just after the
money." "I will take the honor code and respect from the
majority any day" @ CougFaninTX | 8:04 p.m. Nov. 29, 2011 "I'm not sure why the average fan cares how much the U gets from
PAC12 TV revenue"It never ceases to amaze what incredibly short
sighted spin-meisters byu fans are.Refresh my memory; how long did
the gum flapping about the new HD facility in Provo and a check from a certain
network in New England were the 1st steps on the road back to prominence?
blah, blah, blah navel vet....you guys choked and so don't go talking as if
that's how you guys wanted it. it's very simple really...you either win or
lose...and you guys are part of that losing half...and you can't take it huh?
hahahaha. and yes, you guys are the worse team because of the attitude you guys
took going into that conference...acting like you guys were going to walk all
over everyone...hahaha so as far as the other four teams you speak of...never
read anything where they were puffing themselves up. Colorado had no reason to
because they have been bad for a while now...they were just happy to be
somewhere...you guys on the other hand though, PA-THE-TIC. now you have an egg
on your face and your boy chris b can't take it anymore so he doesn't post.
don't worry, i won't let you live it down either. hahahaha
nunya:"...you guys choked and so don't go talking as if that's
how you guys wanted it."Whatever. You guys failed to get into
the Big XII AND the Big East, and how did you all respond? Answer:
As if that's how you guys wanted it all along.But of course we know
better. If you guys had've wanted Indy-WACness all along, you never would have
spent the entire months of October and November talking to those AQ
conferences.And I don't see anywhere in my post indicating that I
wanted to lose to CU and get dropped from the CCG. You were just desperate
because I blasted you with facts, and you had nothing but your typical cougar
illogical frantic emotion."...you guys are part of that losing
half...and you can't take it huh?"Said the loser of 7 of the
last 10, and recipient of the most recent losing end of a 54-10 Homefield
beatdown. "PA-THE-TIC. now you have an egg on your
face..."Last summer, it was YOUR coach and YOUR QB who talked
of Nat'l Championships. Now you're headed to the Armed Forces, while Utah heads
to the Sun. Haha!