The Big East will announce tomorrow, Dec 7th, that it has invited Boise St. and
San Diego St. to join in football only, and Central Floride, Houston, and SMU in
riddlemethis...I'd rather hear the 1944 fairytale...it's far more interesting
hearing about all those Ute wins against pickup teams...losing in the first
round of the NIT... having played only 3 actual higher educational institutions
to meet the minimal criteria to qualify. (University of Idaho twice and
Colorado College the other)...and then getting a second chance to play in
another lesser NCAA Tournament at the time only because Arkansas couldn't field
a team after a car accident that killed an assistant coach and injured 2 of
thier six players. I just love the way that historical tidbit over the years
turned into a National Championship...as if it were only yesterday.
...and Deek I agree with you about "Hondo" Rhondo...but it still
doesn't mean that Harmon is the totally class act that many including yourself
try to portray him to be. Waiting an hour or two longer wouldn't have
jeopardized his exclusive...but then just maybe...that's the way both Hondo and
Harmon wanted it to go...so I'll let you decide for yourself. Whatever Dude!!!
@BYUDeek...yes Harmon knew...He had an inside source and as a Provo Daily Herald
reporter at the time he knew that he was the only one with that information.
And if you were at all familiar with the fiesty relationship that he and Reid
had then you could possibly see the writing between the lines. It was no
accident the way it came out. You would either have been too young and not
known or you you were totally blind to the entire situation.
BYU's lawyers can't seem to catch a break. They were blamed when Comcast and
"The Mountain" refused to let BYU rebroadcast home games on BYU-tv.
Now they're blamed for keeping the Cougars out of the Big XII and the Big East
and probably anywhere else. Maybe its time for Steve Young to dust off his law
degree and figure this thing out.
The Utes have a basketball program? Who knew?
@ Where's Stockton,I like how you're blaming a member of the media
for breaking a news story. Did Harmon know that Reid hadn't been informed? When
the coach makes the comment to a reporter about 11 million mormon's being upset
is the reporter supposed to carpet that issue? I don't think so. I don't blame
Harmon. He was doing his job. I blame the AD at BYU at the time, Fehlberg. No
one ever blamed him for anything, but there were plenty of issues that occurred
while he was AD that the BoD didn't like. (Bib jersey being one of them)
1996-97 would never have happened if Dick Harmon hadn't made such a big deal
about Roger Reid telling a cetain High School recruit that 11 million BYU fans
would be disappointed if he signed a letter of intent to play basketball for
Duke instead of BYU... The whole thing got blown way out of proportion and
Harmon wouldn't let it go... so this kids parents jumped on the wagon as well
and a petty little remark ended up costing Roger Reid his job. Harmon then
went on to capitalize on the situation and scooped the information that BYU was
going to fire Reid before the University had a chance to inform Roger first.
Losing Roger Reid in the matter that it was so poorly handled devestated the
entire program and especially the success of Reid's recruiting program at the
time. As it turned out this nationally acclaimed recruit didn't amount to
anything at Duke where he thought he was going to lead them to a national
Championship and ended up instead at the Universwity of Utah. the whole
situation was an overhyped media blitz in which Harmon had more to do with than
any other factor.
Two programs that deserve comparison? Both used to be good and both are
insignificant on a national and local level.
re: Mick "Utah "fans"/BYU haters;" Funny how this works,
You could say the same about BYU "fans"/UTAH haters!
Those of you who are predicting a BYU blowout of Utah better be careful. I am
not so sure that BYU is that good in BBall this year. They have shown some
promise, but they are 0-2 against good competition. Utah may just pull off the
surprise. How will that feel? Just think of Utah fans already talking Rose
Bowl before they even played Colorado. I wouln't get too excited yet. With
that said- Dec 10-BYU 78 Utah 59. Go Cougars.
yes, the Ute basketball team is terrible. I don't think anyone is pointing
fingers at BYU and 1996 other than to point out that even a destroyed program,
the right coach can turn it around. Coach Rose is a shining example of that. I
don't like BYU but have nothing but respect for him. It's too early to say what
Krystko can do, look at what he started with. I've missed one home game in
football in 17 seasons and been to 2 basketball games in the same time so, you
can't say I'm an expert on the subject, in fact, baksetball is about as excitng
to me as tennis. That said though, as a Ute fan in general, I would like to see
Utah excell in all sports, even the one I don't watch. Byu trolls can come on
every Utah article all season and that's fine but remember,what goes around
comes around. Both programs will have ups and downs and we'll all just be
waiting our turn. If you don't think it will happen, just look at history wit
nearly every program.
Its money vs relevance. BYU has become a sort of private club for members only.
While I can watch this seasons' games on TV and my computer. after the CFL game
I lost interest Out here beyond the mountains( and where you are not always
among friends,) the Notre Dame of the West is now a curiosity of late night TV.
The future may indeed change all this and being an independent will serve BYU as
it has Notre Dame and Navy. For years Pitt, Penn State, and Syracuse were
independent, but outgrew the smaller eastern teams they had to schedule. Today's
Big East image is due to, not its member teams, but its leadership.BYU's future
schedule is a great improvement, but after 2012/13 it is still largely a blank
page.Money vs relevance. All roses have thorns.
Just curious Utah "fans"/BYU haters; what exactly can we talk about
from the past? You hate our past success but love our past failures. I love
our current and future success. BYU 95 Utah 50 on December 10th. Go Cougars!
Rock's columns are usually filled with gravel. This one had some sand. After
watching BYU's 1-25 season, I have empathy for this Ute basketball team. No matter how much trash talk I hear negative to the Cougars, I root for
the folks on the hill whenever they're not competing against the Y.As for the Big East complaining about the Y's attorneys: That might translate
to, "We couldn't fool those hayseeds to take another MTN deal." Some
day the right suitor will come calling, and folks will say how wise the Y was to
At least BYU's lone win in 1996 came against a quality D1 opponent - Utah State.
Utah barely beat an NAIA team by 3 points; does a win over an NAIA team even
It's funny how BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl win and #5 finish in both the AP and
Coaches polls used to be so "last century" for jealous Utah fans, but
now that the Utes are facing what could be Utah's worst season EVER in
basketball, suddenly, desperate Utah fans are looking for anything to help
themselves feel better about that train wreck on the hill.
St George StormcloudAs bad as 1996 and the years just before and
after were for BYU, Utah is working on a drought that will make BYU's drought
seem pale by comparison.BYU - THREE losing seasons, THREE 20+ win
seasons in 7 years2001 24-92000 22-111999 12-161998
9-211997 1-251996 15-131995 22-10Total 105-105Utah - FIVE losing seasons, ONE 20+ win season in 7 years2012 1-52011 13-182010 14-172009 24-102008 18-152007 11-192006 14-15Total 95-99
@CougFaninTx: as usual you hit the nail right on the head.Sunny All
Day brought up 96-97 which other U fans are starting to do as well. It used to
be that the cutoff between recent and ancient history was the 1998 NCAA
tournament; even with Utah's myriad of losing seasons in basketball over the
last few years. But now that it's looking like wins will be few and far between
this year for the Utes, the collective have moved the cutoff for recent and
ancient history to 96-97.
RE: Eastcoastcoug"but we are just back to where we were in the
80's where you could watch BYU at any Stake Center in the world, but no post
season worth mentioning."I don't want to live in the past, but
weren't the 80s the decade when we played in a bowl game EVERY SINGLE YEAR
(including 6 holiday bowls), won a national championship, had a 24 game winning
streak... I'll take that over what we're fielding now any day. I'm lovin'
independence, look at the schedule for the next 3-4 years--we're slowly phasing
out WAC cellar dwellers and replacing them with great games. Go Cougs!
Ute basketball will certainly bring about many tears... of laughter.
The 1-25, 1996-1997, BYU team would beat this year's Utah team by 20. And,
didn't they beat Utah State that year?
The lone utah win is against the NAIA giant killer SDCC...a school of 395
students. There is a lot of work to do on the hill...football is starting to
tank...never any good in the other sports...Red Rocks Rule! The fate of the
university hangs on the Red Rocks.
This is beyond scary... hope something changes soon for the Utes.
re: eastcoastcoug"Of course, we haven't gotten the job done building
a winning program, which should come before we knock on anyone's door."Maybe I'm confused, is 8-3 (soon to be 9-3) and listed among
"others receiving votes" not a winning program?I would
love to see BYU vs Tulsa in Armed Forces Bowl. Both are listed among
"others receiving votes." It would be a very good game.re: SUNNY ALL DAY"1996-97 BYU Mens Basketball. 1-25."2011-2012 Utes Mens Basketball. 1-29? Live for the
present, not for the past. On December 10 - BYU will win by 44 points to avenge
dh96-97 never happened.LOL.Tell me about
1984... again.LOL.Murphy's and Hansen's are still
waiting for your input. LOL.Have fun in Mommy's
Veracity -"Yesterday, the Utah mens basketball had a tune-up
scrimmage with the Utes female basketball team...it now seems the women are 18
points better than the PAC 12 as well."______I gotta hand
it to you, even as a die-hard Ute I found that comment pretty funny.
Sunny: it took us 4 years (even hampered by Steve Cleveland) to win a
conference championship after that terrible year. Let's see how long it takes
The poll about the Ute basketball team was missing the option I wanted to
select: I think they will only have the one win they already have this year.
This will actually be worse than the 1996-1997 Cougars basketball team because
at least their one win was against a division 1 opponent. So, yes, my prediction
is that this Ute team is not only the worst division 1 team in the state of Utah
right now, but the worst division 1 team in the state of Utah ever.
@sunny all dayYea 1996. That was before you were even born. Is that
some how relevent to utah's current atrociousness?
1996-97 BYU Mens Basketball.1-25.Go cougars.
Yesterday, the Utah mens basketball had a tune-up scrimmage with the Utes female
basketball team...it now seems the women are 18 points better than the PAC 12 as
@ Biker 100Don't you have friends that you get to banter with as
part of your bond? Without the tease, the relationship is not the
same. Nothing personal to you.It's meant with good fun.
Rock,not sure there is any coach that could take on the task that
Krstkowiak has and succeed under these circumstances. At least not this year.
This mess is all on Jim Boylen when encouraging "his" players to leave
the program. Heck he was even acting like an agent for JJ OBrien. Thanks to Jim,
3 players remained on roster by April and May. Make a long story short, the few
available players that were left weren't good! Kind of like a team full of less
talented Jon Hays. Utah will be lucky to get 2 wins. But I don't
think anyone can start really judging or even taking a wise crack at Krystko
until probably 2013.Go Utes
So what you're saying is we defended our right to watch BYU on BYUtv anywhere in
the world, at the expense of any conference affiliation. I admit the Big East is
no prize right now, but we are just back to where we were in the 80's where you
could watch BYU at any Stake Center in the world, but no post season worth
mentioning. Of course, we haven't gotten the job done building a
winning program, which should come before we knock on anyone's door. I would
rather we didn't see them at all while they are a work-in-progress.
How about quit being trashy and just support your favorite team?
"Come to think of it, BYU would have been a great fit for the
conference.BYUtv is in over 200 countries and the Big East has
invited teams from all of them."HAHAHAHA. Thanks! That one
busted my gut!
I admit that it isn't any fun when I try to tease my good Ute buddies about the
basketball.I hope they get better so it will be fun to trash talk