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Brad Rock: Rock on: Utah basketball, BYU and the Big East

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  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2011 1:20 p.m.

    The Big East will announce tomorrow, Dec 7th, that it has invited Boise St. and San Diego St. to join in football only, and Central Floride, Houston, and SMU in all sports.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 3, 2011 8:37 a.m.

    riddlemethis...I'd rather hear the 1944 fairytale...it's far more interesting hearing about all those Ute wins against pickup teams...losing in the first round of the NIT... having played only 3 actual higher educational institutions to meet the minimal criteria to qualify. (University of Idaho twice and Colorado College the other)...and then getting a second chance to play in another lesser NCAA Tournament at the time only because Arkansas couldn't field a team after a car accident that killed an assistant coach and injured 2 of thier six players. I just love the way that historical tidbit over the years turned into a National Championship...as if it were only yesterday.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 3, 2011 7:40 a.m.

    ...and Deek I agree with you about "Hondo" Rhondo...but it still doesn't mean that Harmon is the totally class act that many including yourself try to portray him to be. Waiting an hour or two longer wouldn't have jeopardized his exclusive...but then just maybe...that's the way both Hondo and Harmon wanted it to go...so I'll let you decide for yourself. Whatever Dude!!!

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Dec. 3, 2011 7:27 a.m.

    @BYUDeek...yes Harmon knew...He had an inside source and as a Provo Daily Herald reporter at the time he knew that he was the only one with that information. And if you were at all familiar with the fiesty relationship that he and Reid had then you could possibly see the writing between the lines. It was no accident the way it came out. You would either have been too young and not known or you you were totally blind to the entire situation.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 1, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    BYU's lawyers can't seem to catch a break. They were blamed when Comcast and "The Mountain" refused to let BYU rebroadcast home games on BYU-tv. Now they're blamed for keeping the Cougars out of the Big XII and the Big East and probably anywhere else. Maybe its time for Steve Young to dust off his law degree and figure this thing out.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 30, 2011 9:47 p.m.

    The Utes have a basketball program? Who knew?

  • BYU Deek Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 9:06 p.m.

    @ Where's Stockton,

    I like how you're blaming a member of the media for breaking a news story. Did Harmon know that Reid hadn't been informed? When the coach makes the comment to a reporter about 11 million mormon's being upset is the reporter supposed to carpet that issue? I don't think so. I don't blame Harmon. He was doing his job. I blame the AD at BYU at the time, Fehlberg. No one ever blamed him for anything, but there were plenty of issues that occurred while he was AD that the BoD didn't like. (Bib jersey being one of them)

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Nov. 30, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    1996-97 would never have happened if Dick Harmon hadn't made such a big deal about Roger Reid telling a cetain High School recruit that 11 million BYU fans would be disappointed if he signed a letter of intent to play basketball for Duke instead of BYU... The whole thing got blown way out of proportion and Harmon wouldn't let it go... so this kids parents jumped on the wagon as well and a petty little remark ended up costing Roger Reid his job. Harmon then went on to capitalize on the situation and scooped the information that BYU was going to fire Reid before the University had a chance to inform Roger first. Losing Roger Reid in the matter that it was so poorly handled devestated the entire program and especially the success of Reid's recruiting program at the time. As it turned out this nationally acclaimed recruit didn't amount to anything at Duke where he thought he was going to lead them to a national Championship and ended up instead at the Universwity of Utah. the whole situation was an overhyped media blitz in which Harmon had more to do with than any other factor.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 3:43 p.m.

    Two programs that deserve comparison? Both used to be good and both are insignificant on a national and local level.

  • Skippy West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    re: Mick "Utah "fans"/BYU haters;" Funny how this works, You could say the same about BYU "fans"/UTAH haters!

  • Jumpyman Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    Those of you who are predicting a BYU blowout of Utah better be careful. I am not so sure that BYU is that good in BBall this year. They have shown some promise, but they are 0-2 against good competition. Utah may just pull off the surprise. How will that feel? Just think of Utah fans already talking Rose Bowl before they even played Colorado. I wouln't get too excited yet. With that said- Dec 10-BYU 78 Utah 59.

    Go Cougars.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Nov. 30, 2011 9:48 a.m.

    yes, the Ute basketball team is terrible. I don't think anyone is pointing fingers at BYU and 1996 other than to point out that even a destroyed program, the right coach can turn it around. Coach Rose is a shining example of that. I don't like BYU but have nothing but respect for him. It's too early to say what Krystko can do, look at what he started with. I've missed one home game in football in 17 seasons and been to 2 basketball games in the same time so, you can't say I'm an expert on the subject, in fact, baksetball is about as excitng to me as tennis. That said though, as a Ute fan in general, I would like to see Utah excell in all sports, even the one I don't watch. Byu trolls can come on every Utah article all season and that's fine but remember,what goes around comes around. Both programs will have ups and downs and we'll all just be waiting our turn. If you don't think it will happen, just look at history wit nearly every program.

  • abejones SCOTT DEPOT, WV
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:27 a.m.

    Its money vs relevance. BYU has become a sort of private club for members only. While I can watch this seasons' games on TV and my computer. after the CFL game I lost interest Out here beyond the mountains( and where you are not always among friends,) the Notre Dame of the West is now a curiosity of late night TV. The future may indeed change all this and being an independent will serve BYU as it has Notre Dame and Navy. For years Pitt, Penn State, and Syracuse were independent, but outgrew the smaller eastern teams they had to schedule. Today's Big East image is due to, not its member teams, but its leadership.BYU's future schedule is a great improvement, but after 2012/13 it is still largely a blank page.Money vs relevance. All roses have thorns.

  • Mick Murray, Utah
    Nov. 30, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    Just curious Utah "fans"/BYU haters; what exactly can we talk about from the past? You hate our past success but love our past failures. I love our current and future success. BYU 95 Utah 50 on December 10th. Go Cougars!

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    Rock's columns are usually filled with gravel. This one had some sand. After watching BYU's 1-25 season, I have empathy for this Ute basketball team.

    No matter how much trash talk I hear negative to the Cougars, I root for the folks on the hill whenever they're not competing against the Y.

    As for the Big East complaining about the Y's attorneys: That might translate to, "We couldn't fool those hayseeds to take another MTN deal." Some day the right suitor will come calling, and folks will say how wise the Y was to wait.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:36 p.m.

    At least BYU's lone win in 1996 came against a quality D1 opponent - Utah State. Utah barely beat an NAIA team by 3 points; does a win over an NAIA team even count?

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:31 p.m.

    It's funny how BYU's 1996 Cotton Bowl win and #5 finish in both the AP and Coaches polls used to be so "last century" for jealous Utah fans, but now that the Utes are facing what could be Utah's worst season EVER in basketball, suddenly, desperate Utah fans are looking for anything to help themselves feel better about that train wreck on the hill.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:03 p.m.

    St George Stormcloud

    As bad as 1996 and the years just before and after were for BYU, Utah is working on a drought that will make BYU's drought seem pale by comparison.

    BYU - THREE losing seasons, THREE 20+ win seasons in 7 years
    2001 24-9
    2000 22-11
    1999 12-16
    1998 9-21
    1997 1-25
    1996 15-13
    1995 22-10
    Total 105-105

    Utah - FIVE losing seasons, ONE 20+ win season in 7 years
    2012 1-5
    2011 13-18
    2010 14-17
    2009 24-10
    2008 18-15
    2007 11-19
    2006 14-15
    Total 95-99

  • riddlemethis Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    @CougFaninTx: as usual you hit the nail right on the head.

    Sunny All Day brought up 96-97 which other U fans are starting to do as well. It used to be that the cutoff between recent and ancient history was the 1998 NCAA tournament; even with Utah's myriad of losing seasons in basketball over the last few years. But now that it's looking like wins will be few and far between this year for the Utes, the collective have moved the cutoff for recent and ancient history to 96-97.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:52 p.m.

    RE: Eastcoastcoug

    "but we are just back to where we were in the 80's where you could watch BYU at any Stake Center in the world, but no post season worth mentioning."

    I don't want to live in the past, but weren't the 80s the decade when we played in a bowl game EVERY SINGLE YEAR (including 6 holiday bowls), won a national championship, had a 24 game winning streak... I'll take that over what we're fielding now any day. I'm lovin' independence, look at the schedule for the next 3-4 years--we're slowly phasing out WAC cellar dwellers and replacing them with great games. Go Cougs!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    Ute basketball will certainly bring about many tears... of laughter.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:11 p.m.

    The 1-25, 1996-1997, BYU team would beat this year's Utah team by 20. And, didn't they beat Utah State that year?

  • Cali Coug Visalia, CA
    Nov. 29, 2011 5:12 p.m.

    The lone utah win is against the NAIA giant killer SDCC...a school of 395 students. There is a lot of work to do on the hill...football is starting to tank...never any good in the other sports...Red Rocks Rule! The fate of the university hangs on the Red Rocks.

  • Tyler McArthur South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:57 p.m.

    This is beyond scary... hope something changes soon for the Utes.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:54 p.m.

    re: eastcoastcoug
    "Of course, we haven't gotten the job done building a winning program, which should come before we knock on anyone's door."

    Maybe I'm confused, is 8-3 (soon to be 9-3) and listed among "others receiving votes" not a winning program?

    I would love to see BYU vs Tulsa in Armed Forces Bowl. Both are listed among "others receiving votes." It would be a very good game.

    re: SUNNY ALL DAY
    "1996-97 BYU Mens Basketball. 1-25."

    2011-2012 Utes Mens Basketball. 1-29?

    Live for the present, not for the past. On December 10 - BYU will win by 44 points to avenge September 17.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:31 p.m.

    dh

    96-97 never happened.

    LOL.

    Tell me about 1984... again.

    LOL.

    Murphy's and Hansen's are still waiting for your input.

    LOL.

    Have fun in Mommy's basement.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 4:10 p.m.

    Veracity -

    "Yesterday, the Utah mens basketball had a tune-up scrimmage with the Utes female basketball team...it now seems the women are 18 points better than the PAC 12 as well."
    ______

    I gotta hand it to you, even as a die-hard Ute I found that comment pretty funny.

  • Still Blue after all these years Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:57 p.m.

    Sunny: it took us 4 years (even hampered by Steve Cleveland) to win a conference championship after that terrible year. Let's see how long it takes Utah.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:53 p.m.

    The poll about the Ute basketball team was missing the option I wanted to select: I think they will only have the one win they already have this year. This will actually be worse than the 1996-1997 Cougars basketball team because at least their one win was against a division 1 opponent. So, yes, my prediction is that this Ute team is not only the worst division 1 team in the state of Utah right now, but the worst division 1 team in the state of Utah ever.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:51 p.m.

    @sunny all day

    Yea 1996. That was before you were even born. Is that some how relevent to utah's current atrociousness?

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:44 p.m.

    1996-97 BYU Mens Basketball.

    1-25.

    Go cougars.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:19 p.m.

    Yesterday, the Utah mens basketball had a tune-up scrimmage with the Utes female basketball team...it now seems the women are 18 points better than the PAC 12 as well.

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    @ Biker 100

    Don't you have friends that you get to banter with as part of your bond?

    Without the tease, the relationship is not the same. Nothing personal to you.
    It's meant with good fun.

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:20 p.m.

    Rock,

    not sure there is any coach that could take on the task that Krstkowiak has and succeed under these circumstances. At least not this year. This mess is all on Jim Boylen when encouraging "his" players to leave the program. Heck he was even acting like an agent for JJ OBrien. Thanks to Jim, 3 players remained on roster by April and May. Make a long story short, the few available players that were left weren't good! Kind of like a team full of less talented Jon Hays.

    Utah will be lucky to get 2 wins. But I don't think anyone can start really judging or even taking a wise crack at Krystko until probably 2013.

    Go Utes

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:02 p.m.

    So what you're saying is we defended our right to watch BYU on BYUtv anywhere in the world, at the expense of any conference affiliation. I admit the Big East is no prize right now, but we are just back to where we were in the 80's where you could watch BYU at any Stake Center in the world, but no post season worth mentioning.

    Of course, we haven't gotten the job done building a winning program, which should come before we knock on anyone's door. I would rather we didn't see them at all while they are a work-in-progress.

  • Biker 100 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:52 a.m.

    How about quit being trashy and just support your favorite team?

  • metamoracoug metamora, IL
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    "Come to think of it, BYU would have been a great fit for the conference.

    BYUtv is in over 200 countries and the Big East has invited teams from all of them."

    HAHAHAHA. Thanks! That one busted my gut!

  • cougarNV Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    I admit that it isn't any fun when I try to tease my good Ute buddies about the basketball.

    I hope they get better so it will be fun to trash talk again.