The thing is people can learn from everyone if one cares to do so. The problem
is that some don't care to listen to what others have to say. Members of the
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as a WHOLE try to learn from
everyone. Just because we don't agree with them doesn't mean we haven't learned
something. To mimic mightymight, Christian mainstream could learn a lot from
their LDS counter parts in more ways. When someone says they don't
have a chip on their shoulder are either lying or stretching the truth.
Everyone has a chip on their shoulder or a pet pieve. That is human nature.
Now the problem is whether one lets it determine their own lives or not. I know
what my chip is and there are times when I let it out but there are others one
never has an idea what it is.Learn to show respect for others but
from what I see on these boards it is less with those that are not members than
those that are.
"I'll admit to having a chip on my shoulder about people with chips on
their shoulders.""I believe their are many of us that can
admit we have a chip on our shoulder especially when it comes to a sensitive
subject like religion."I just want to go on record as being
mightymight-We get it. You have an agenda. Stick to the article.
And mormons can learn quite a bit from Christians......
The one voted 78 per cent for John McCain and the other 78 per cent for Mr.
Obama; it may take some time to get the two camps in the same room.
I know a lot of people will balk at this article but there is a lot of truth to
it. On a personal note to some of the commentors on this article, it
would be better to learn about a religion and its good qualities than to fixate
on stereotypes perpetuated by critics.
To LetsDebate:Thanks for the well written response!"I'll admit to having a chip on my shoulder about people with chips on
their shoulders."I believe their are many of us that can admit
we have a chip on our shoulder especially when it comes to a sensitive subject
@Whos Life RU Living - as with the article, if you posed your opinion with an
interesting angle of a specific way that women could learn from men, and you
presented a fair and rational idea, you should be able to do so without the
chalkboard screeching of "Why can't men learn from women?"Of course, that would never happen, as many people live their lives with a
constant and gigantic chip on their shoulder. So, regardless of your effort,
unless you made a pretty big element of your article that men can indeed learn
some things from women, you would inevitably get a load of insecure whining,
even if your position was very specific, and "balancing" it with ideas
of how men could learn from women might be completely irrelevant and unnecessary
to make your point.I'll admit to having a chip on my shoulder about
people with chips on their shoulders. It is definitely a pet peeve of mine.
Correction to my previous post:I shouldn't have said, "Jews
have never done this" regarding living in pictures of The Way Life is.
Obviously, the Old Testament is filled with such pictures. But we Jews take
them for metaphors of lessons we might learn, not as literal depictions.
To LetsDebate:Women can learn a lot from men!Could
someone pose this question without getting a comment of equality back?
Faithful Mormons study the Jews everyday.
As a Jew, I agree with Editor Rosenblatt's points. But when he suggests that
the Church is doing something "better" in its ability to increase
membership, while all we Jews can do is lament our decreasing membership, I
think he's on shaky--and very un-Jewish--ground.The reason, I posit,
why Mormonism has been able to increase its membership, and why Catholics and
Protestants hope to use the "Mormon campaign" to do likewise, is that
all these religions present a highly detailed (one might say, airtight) picture
of The Way Life Is. This gives incredible security to those who follow these
religions.Jews have never done this. We Jews turn from all airtight
pictures--especially of God--and explore the outer edges . . . and often beyond.
We don't even offer a solid idea of what happens to us when we die, because we
believe we need to focus, with our hearts, souls and minds, on the now.If Jews have produced much more than we'd expect from their numbers, this is
the reason. And if our membership is decreasing it's because it's hard to live
without an airtight picture of The Way Life Is. Hard--but essential.
Re: m.g. scott Mormons(LDS) do learn from the Jews. It's called the Old
Testement. I don't know of another Christian church that reads, studies,
believes in and takes doctrine from the OT more than the LDS Church?Jews for Jesus is a conservative, Christian evangelical organization that
focuses on the conversion of Jews to Christianity. Its members consider
themselves to be Jews either as defined by Jewish law, or as according to the
view of Jews for Jesus. Jews for Jesus defines Jewish in terms of parentage and
as a birthright, regardless of religious belief. The identification of Jews for
Jesus as a Jewish organization is rejected by Jewish religious denominations and
secular Jewish groups due to the Christian beliefs of its members. When
the Messianic Jews debate Rabbis debate the non-Messianic Jews its like a little
St Paul debating the non-Christians in the N.T. times. A wonderful learning
Mormons (LDS) do learn from the Jews. It's called the Old Testement. I don't
know of another Christian church that reads, studies, believes in and takes
doctrine from the OT more than the LDS Church. However, one thing that needs to
be said of the Jewish faith is that, unlike the LDS faith, the Jewish have many
factions that range from Orthodox to Reformed. And if you know of those
factions, there are as many disagreements among them regarding faith as there is
among the Christian community in general. However, I've always been glad that
the LDS Church has a very good relationship with the Jews, Isreal, and most all
faiths, Christian or not. I think that is a sign of "good fruit".
If you object to the article take it up with the editor of the Jewish faith who
wrote the article. DN is only showing quotes written by the Jewish publication.
But then most detractors delight in hovering non-stop on the DN in hopes of
sharing their infinite wisdom.
Why are you arguing? Everyone can learn from others - you just have to look for
things they do better than you and emulate it. This article showed that a Jewish
editor looked at the Church's policy of not entering into contentious arguments,
just moving on with purpose - and thought "we could learn from that".
Being a half Jewish Mormon myself, I see no lack of balance here. Basically,
Mormons are Jewish Christians, and therefore you could say that the Church has
learned and continues to learn from the Jews. If the Jews also learn from the
Church, that makes us very equal. Isn't that a positive thing?
@cymrul - I just wonder what motivates someone to read an article like this, and
immediately think "How can I backhandedly insult the positive object of the
story?" Why don't you answer my question - who said Mormons can't learn
from Jewish people? Why would you even ask your question, if not to
imply that Mormons think so much of themselves that they can't learn from anyone
else? No one in the article remotely suggested any such thing, so what's the
point of your question?It doesn't take much of a grip on reality to
see through such a shallow attempt at a veiled insult.
@ Letsdebate, I ask a simple question and get attacked by you. Seems like your
the one who needs to get a grip.
Wow, to danaslc, crymru, and mightymite - just a little obsessive and cynical,
aren't we? Did anyone say Mormons couldn't learn from the Jewish people or
anyone else? Get a grip, and search for "Debbie Downer SNL" on
Youtube and try harder not to be like that in your real life.
Agree, it definitely can go both ways. One thing that I find is that this
election seems to have increased the religious discourse among many people and
organizations... this is a very good thing and something that I hope
continues.Speaking of that, can someone please tell me where I can
find a good Kosher Deli here in Salt Lake City? (Very serious here)
mightymite:What do you tell the educated and rational Mormon? Do
you realize that statistically Mormons increase in their religiosity as they
become more highly educated?
Mormon can learn alot from educated and rational people as well.. It goes both
goldfever @ 4:54 p.m.You know precious little about the LDS faith or
you would recognize that one of our component tenets is that revelation is
continuous and living. That we have a living Prophet at the head of our church
who receives revelation to guide and direct the affairs of the church through
the murky waters of societal ills. What you call "change every time a new
generation is born" may in fact have some merit, but it is merit based on
the will of the Father not the whim of man.
Why can't the LDS learn from the Jews?
Maybe just maybe, Mormons could learn a lot from Jews.
Does the Jewish religion change every time a new generation is born? If this is
the case you have lots in common.
This is precisely why Mitt Romney was able to get elected as governor of
Massachusetts. The large Catholic population there lends itself to a favorable
situation. Likewise, the rest of the Northeast is very similar. That is why you
are seeing more Chris Christies emerging, in support of his nomination. The
South will not be able to influence this large factor.This time, the
Evangelical power brokers may have to sit in the back of the bus, this time