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  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    @Jazzfan86, the Jazz are allready almost to young and have 2 1st round picks next year, I seriously doubt they will be trading for draft picks even though next years draft will be extremely strong. If they trade Milsap it needs to be for a very good player that fills a need and Granger probably is that.

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 6:03 p.m.

    The logical choice is Milsap for Granger, outside shooting was the Jazz greatest weakness last year, but he will be making 12 mil next year, best for the Jazz would be to move Jefferson and his big contract.

    The future of the Jazz lies in Hayward, Evans, Favors, Kanter and Burkes and someone has to go to free up some minutes for them and if Ocur, Milsap and Jefferson are on the roster you can bet the bulk of the minutes will go to them.

  • jazzfan86 American Fork, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 1:45 p.m.

    Some of you obviously haven't looked at the new CBA. Salaries don't have to match the same way they used to. Also Indiana isn't going to trade Granger for Millsap. They are hoping the Jazz are in full rebuild mode and value picks over proven talent. They'll offer picks and no-name players for Millsap. To be honest O'Conner might actually do it for that too. The Jazz aren't going to win it all in the next 2-3 years and they know it, they are thinking what will help them 2-3 years from now. Here is to hoping Paul George, Brandon Rush, and a draft pick or two for Millsap. Dahntay Jones is old and useless, I hope KOC is able to negotiate for younger talent.

  • Morgan Duel Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:45 p.m.

    Lets see, last year the Jazz had the number 3 pick, what are the odds they can get 1 or 2 Next year?

    I am sorry but I do not believe the Jazz will be any better than last year:

    They have gone from 54 wins to 53 wins to 39 wins and I believe they will continue to drop each year. With a 66 game season, I am guessing 25 wins and that will be generous.

  • onetobeamup Murray, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    I appreciate Sap's game and effort as much as the next person. Thing is, with our current roster and the need to give Favors playing time, he would be IDEAL coming off the bench. The makes the real question is how he would feel about coming off the bench. My guess is he'd resent that. So, if Indy can offer him a starting role, then maybe the best and fairest thing for the Jazz to do for him is to trade him. We need a PG and a wing so I'd take Hill and George and a draft pick for him.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    Millsap has met or exceeded EVERY expectation! I say give him one more year. Put him at small forward and watch him continue to progress.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 30, 2011 8:47 a.m.

    Lebron? Really, should've given Kobe as your example.
    Lebron's talent does him nothing. I've watched him choke in 3 nba finals now! He's a waste of talent because he'll never take a team all the way. If Miami wins a championship it won't be because of Lebron the choke artist.

  • MiamiJazzFan Coral Springs, FL
    Nov. 30, 2011 5:56 a.m.

    Please......All of you so called Jazz fans stop, I mean stop all the trade talk about AK and his contract. They are both non existent. Andrei is a free agent, his albatross of a contract is done with. No need to trade him, only worry about bringing him back. And please stop suggesting one-sided trades.

  • Ak Fan Hamburg, GE
    Nov. 30, 2011 12:15 a.m.

    re man in charge.
    Do you know why Kirilenko wasn't good in Jazz? Reason is Jerry Sloan who never understood and under utilized Andrei. HE is playing great IN CSKA. In Russia basketball boom, arenas start filling because of Andrei Kirilenko.
    One thing never question his work ethic and effort, he leaves everything in court. He likes Utah I don't know why. Best destination for him will be LA.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:33 p.m.

    David H

    Kirilenko is a free agent so the Jazz can't trade him. Everybody was crying about him being overpaid and now that we can finally be rid of him, people like him all of the sudden.

    It's too bad that he can't or doesn't want put fourth the effort with the Jazz that he does with CSKA Moscow.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:28 p.m.

    Who cares about heart. Fransico Elson could have more heart than Dwight Howard but he isn't going to be the person starting.

    The NBA is a business not a charity.

  • David H Layton, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    The Jazz surprise me. On TV they say all the time that they want to win an NBA championship. Now I hear they want to trade Kirilenko and Millsap. I wish the Jazz woud understand that you have to have a lot of horses to win an NBA championship. The reason for the extra horses is due to foul trouble and or injuries. I remember when the Celtics won in 1986. Kevin McHale would get into foul trouble. No problem, bring in Bill Walton. In the late 80's when the Pistons had foul trouble or wanted to rest a starter, bring in Adrian Dantley, who caused major trouble for teams trying to rest their starters before the big push for the starters to finish the game. Do the Jazz really think they can overcome foul trouble and or injuries? Winning an NBA championship requires really good starters as well as 2-3 players who could start on most other teams who sit on the bench. The extra TV revenue for fans demanding to watch "look out" teams as well as the Finals TV revenue would offset half or at least a lot of their salary.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:42 p.m.

    I just have to shake my head. Fans are wonderful. They think they're players are somehow unique from every other player in the league even when they can't bring home the title or even get the team into the discussion.

    I will be the first to admit that Millsap has heart. But I really question anybody who claims that Haslem doesn't have heart. Or Najera. Or Bass. Or Green. Really? Really!?!

    These guys are all noted for being high energy and high heart players. That is why they are in the league. It certainly isn't on their talent alone. They aren't as naturally gifted as other players. They aren't as big. They aren't as quick. They tend to be 2nd round draft picks that carve out an NBA career because they work hard and have great motors.

    Frankly, I'd rather have talent. Wouldn't you? Given a choice between Millsap and LeBron (who has a questionable reputation with regard to heart), you'd pick Millsap?

    Please take off the rose-colored glasses and admit that the Jazz will never win a title built on players with heart but few natural gifts.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:33 p.m.

    Really......just the fact that you all CARE at all after what these crybabies put the fans through is pathetic. Let them make their trades and play their games with no one caring or watching........ crickets........crickets........

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:04 p.m.

    Milsap for Granger is a no brainer. I love Milsap, but the Jazz have a log jam of bigs (AJ, Okur, Favors, Kanter and Milsap) and the Future is Favors at PF. If Favors and Kanter are going to develop someone has to go.

    Granger would fit perfectly in Utah and I think he gives the Jazz a better chance to win with the team they have now.

  • Millsap fan Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:13 p.m.

    joe5

    There is one thing that Millsap has that none of those other guys have nearly as much of- HEART! I remember when Boozer was injured his last season with us and Millsap was scoring better and averaging like 14 rebounds a game! While last season wasn't his best on defense, he's a hard nosed rebounder even for his size. Talent didn't make the miracle in Miami, HEART did. I don't think the Jazz have enough heart without him.

    The Stocktons, Malones, Hornacecks, and Harprings were the heart of the team back in the day, Millsap is that player today. Every team needs a guy who works his butt off and never gives up, for the Jazz it's Millsap.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    Nov. 29, 2011 3:29 p.m.

    Sakshay

    I would take George over Posey anyday. If the Jazz don't get anybody named George,Granger,Collison or Hibbert for Millsap the Jazz should just hold onto him.

  • Glenn A. Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    @LAJazzFan

    Yeah, I know Dahntay and Rush + 1st round pick isn't going to get Milsap. That's why I said Jazz fans probably wouldn't like it. Similarly, Milsap and a middling 1st round pick isn't going to get the Jazz Danny Granger. But fans will be fans and they will propose endless trade ideas that always seem to make their team the trade beneficiary.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    any chance of the Jazz being a legitimate contender went out the door with Jerry Sloan....Greg Miller and KOC killed any chance the Jazz had of being good when they chose to back the players instead of the coach.

  • klepsydra Longmont, CO
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    The only trade I can come up with that might make sense for both Teams is Utah gets Granger & Collison and Indiana gets Milsap, Harris and some combination of draft picks from Utah. The salaries match up well enough to work out and if the 1st rounder is good enough it could sweeten the deal for Indiana. The draft pick(s) would have to be lottery quality though.

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:16 p.m.

    @Glen A (pacers fan)-

    The Jazz are almost too young (they have 5 players with 0-1 yrs experience all needing to get playing time). Do you think that they want an additional pick in 2012 where they probably have 2 already? I bet the Jazz look to trade both of those picks to get a single higher pick next year.

    Rush and Delhanty aren't going to bring the Pacers Milsap. They might not even bring Bell and CJ.

    The Jazz need some relatively young, above average veterans- Granger fits that bill. Hopefully, DHarris and Big Al do this year too.

  • Sakshay Chaturvedi87 Noida, India
    Nov. 29, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Paul George( or James Posey ) + George Hill + Brandon Rush + 1st Round Draft Pick === Paul Millsap + Raja Bell . If this is proposed , Jazz Should take it with closed eyes . Sign Free Agent Marcus Thorton and the Jazz are contenders right away !!!

  • LAJazzFan Los Angeles, CA
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:51 p.m.

    I love Milsap too! However, we need a proven wing more than an $8M undersized PF coming off the bench. I doubt he has acquired the skills to effectively play the 3 over the last few months.

    Granger has veteran experience but not too old. The Jazz need his skills at that position while Hayward learns and proves himself to be the replacement at SF. He could literally be the difference between making the playoffs on a regular basis. While not exact, try the NBA trade machine (ESPN) and make the trade for Milsap/Bell and Granger- 41 wins! A win win for both teams.

    I would be willing to trade Milsap and Bell (preferably) or CJ (will he ever have a breakout year?) or even a first round pick. The JAzz just picked up a PF, SF, and SG this past year. They have a couple of PF/C combos and if Harris works out they look like a good team. If not, focus on PG the next draft or free agency/trade time.

    You have to give something valuable to get something valuable and go to the next level. Milsap for Granger fits this.

  • Pugman TREMONTON, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Wow!!!!!!!Everyone has forgotton how these players and owners treated the fans. The fans are the ones paying the bills. Now everyone is going to run back to the arenas like nothings happened. I'm amazed how you can kick people in the guts, and they just come crawling back for more. In the words of Hot Rod.....UNBELIEVABLE

  • md Cache, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:19 p.m.

    Millsap is one of my all-time favorite Jazz players. I hope they keep him. You can't teach toughness the way he has it innately.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:06 p.m.

    This rumor has real merit. For months, the Jazz have tried to get a trade for Millsap because of the presence of Derrick Favors who in every respect is a better athlete than Millsap, thus no need for Millsap. Kirilenko will never again sign with the Jazz with that bloated 17 million dollar contract and likely, no other NBA team will pick him up with the possible exception of New Jersey. There will likely be no effort to move Okur until his contract runs out in a year and no likelihood that he will ever play in a Jazz uniform again. There is also a good possibility that Jefferson will be traded along with Devean Harris. Other older players will be let go to make room for younger, more athletic players with the Jazz being in a full rebuilding mode. With some good picks in the upcoming draft, the Jazz will be very young and very athletic and take the route Oklahoma City took to build their team.

  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    Millsap probably is in the possible trade thinking with Jazz management, simply because he is a defensive liability. At his height he is pitted against larger players and cannot get shots off under the basket and he is exploited on the defensive end of the floor. I can see the Jazz making some moves. Kirilenko should be gone obviously. Realistically the Jazz are a small market team that develops players that will ultimately be gobbled up. That is just simply a reality. I am happy the season will get underway in December. The way it's turning out with the pending agreement; I don't think either side wanted a full season. There are too many games. 82 games is ridiculously long. Play 60 games, everybody is in the playoffs and every series is a best of 7. Come on. We need an NFL type of agreement to keep salary costs at a reasonable level. Escalating prices for tickets, shoddy concessions/prices and apparel/etc. items to be purchased are also over the top. I have no problem with Kevin O'Connor. He is doing the best he can under severe conditions in this market. This market is a revolving door for players.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    Thank you for the reality check, Glenn A. Too many Jazz fans actually think we'd be able to get Hibbert, Granger, Collison, AND a 1st round pick for Millsap and Okur. Maybe we'll even give you Raja Bell if you throw in George Hill.

  • Glenn A. Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    @ Joe5

    I'm a big Pacers' fan and I'm just curious to know what you're basing the argument on that Granger is "one of the worst defenders in the league." When he was a young player trying to find his niche, he was considered a pretty stalwart defender, even receiving praise from the ultra-defender himself, Ron Artest. As the years have gone by, his defense has slipped a bit because his offensive role has changed dramatically, but is he one of the worst defenders in the league? That's quite an exaggeration in my mind.

    From a Pacers' perspective, I wouldn't do a Granger for Big Al swap. I wouldn't do a Hibbert for Milsap swap, or a Darren Collison for Milsap swap either. And I'm guessing Jazz fans wouldn't do the deal most Pacer fans would like to see: Brandon Rush, Dahntay Jones and 1st round pick for Milsap. It should be a fun shortened offseason to see how this all goes.

  • onetobeamup Murray, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    If Indy offers us Paul George & George Hill plus picks and gives Paul starting role, I think the Jazz should take it.

  • Motappin Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    I LOVE Milsap and I would hate to see him (or Jefferson for that matter) go. But we do have all these big guys, and like someone else said, Derrick Favors is going to need playing time to develop. It's a tough one. The only reason I'd have to choose Milsap over the others as a trade piece is because of size. The guy is a beast but he just needs to be a couple inches taller to play PF, or a little quicker to play SF (though he does have a good shot already). But I would only trade Paul for a PROVEN wing who plays defense and shoots a high percentage. If you can't get that, keep Milsap here. Hayward is a good shooter but he can't play ALL those minutes, and CJ and Bell aren't reliable enough from outside. We need a shooter but the Jazz don't have enough cap room to just pick up a good free agent. Trade might be the only way. :(

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:08 a.m.

    joe5

    Millsap has the intangibles such as character, hard working, team oriented and loyalty...I can't really describe any of your dime-a-dozen forwards with these attributes.

    Anti Bush-Obama

    Although I like your name, my question to you will be...will we treat Derrick Favors with the same available dime-a-dozen SF attitude like we are with Millsap when the next Derrick Favors comes along...

    History dictates we will.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:07 a.m.

    @Man in charged

    Screech has a better chance of marrying Lisa than Okur does of being amnestied. you only to get to use the amnesty clause one time, the Jazz aren't going to waste it on a guy who is an expiring contract. That contract is great for them, or could be used in a trade. amnesty-ing him would be the WORST possible move. If anyone, it will be Raja Bell.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 10:05 a.m.

    If the team could somehow get the Knicks to pick up AK he would function in that scenario. His coach would look at him and tell him and every other player to shoot and AK would be fine with that on the 2 of 5 nights he can physically play.

    Milsap is a strong player that Utah loves to hae on hand. However during the playoffs with the Lakers, it is alwasy the Lakers he is a short liability. KOC knows what he has there and he will get someting to help if Milsap is going somewhere.

    KOC should trade OKUR as the game plan has changed for the team. Without Darrin the ball gets worked inside and there is not a demand for a big man who stands outside and lofts them basketward. The only person in the league that Okur can defend is Timmy in San Antonio and he and his team made history last year in the playoffs by being swept by the 8th seed. So Timmy is about done. Other teams would need his height and shot but the Jazz can get along without it now.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:47 a.m.

    Please dont trade for Granger. If we are going to trade someone, I hope we trade for perimeter defense and shooting. That is what we need. Any trade with Indiana would have to include Collison in my opinion.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Washington, DC
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    @Veracity

    Millsap is available because we have a guy named Derrick Favors who needs minutes to develop.

  • Man in Charge Washington, DC
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Okur will be amnisted.

    @ Portland Trailblazer

    Kevin Pritchard was Fired. Any real Portland fan would know that.

  • Bear Somewhere, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:25 a.m.

    I say keep them all. Depth in the front court can be huge when you come up against a big team like the Lakers. If we are going to trade someone to Indiana I say trade Milsap and Okur for Granger and a draft pick.

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:21 a.m.

    @ joe5 - you think you can just pick up a guy that averages almost a double-double per night? Can put up 46 points on the road in Miami? Hmmm...don't think Jeff Green can do that. People forget, Millsap's contract is very favorable in comparison to Jefferson's. Keep that in mind.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    Snipe: Does defense mean nothing to the Jazz anymore? Stop looking at stats and start looking at players. Granger is one of the worst defenders in the league. You can get away with that if you have a great defender around the basket but there's nobody on the Jazz that fits that bill. Who would be behind him to clean up his messes? Certainly not Jefferson or Okur. Favors can't do it. Kanter is an unknown but what we do know about him is focused on his offensive skills, not his defense.

    The Jazz have been killed in recent years by lack of perimeter defense. Players routinely went around Williams and our other perimeter players, got into the middle the Jazz defense, and killed the Jazz from the inside out. That has to change for the Jazz to become competitive again.

  • TheFitz Murray, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    I have seen on twitter that Milsap and Jefferson are rumored to "be available". I think the Jazz could move one and get a good deal but I would be pretty discouraged if they moved both of them. It doesnt make a lot of sense unless their objective is to clear the books this year for the shortened season so they can get the youngsters experience then make moves next offseason.

  • SnipeHookyoFace Farmington, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:58 a.m.

    Hey "Portland Snailblazer" look at what that big contract did to the blazers now. Going to possibly amnesty Roy? Portland, with all their money has yet to do anything with it in the last 10 years. If KOC had that type of money we'd know what to do with it. You guys have an aging Andre Miller and "bummed" knee Roy along with Aldridge, no room to talk at this point. The Jazz are sitting with 5 bigs that are huge assets to us/trade assets. Swap Jefferson for Granger, not Millsap!

    Harris
    Hayward
    Granger
    Favors/Millsap
    Okur/Kanter

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:55 a.m.

    Veracity: I like Millsap but he is available because his kind are a dime a dozen. I know we love to believe our players are not just all-stars but superstars. On offense, Millsap does fine, but he is too small to guard big PFs and too slow to guard quick SFs. He does the most he can with his natural attributes but he has limitations on defense.

    To me, Millsap isn't much different than Udonis Haslem, Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, Eduardo Najera, and half a dozen other hard-working players who do more with their talents than many more gifted players. If I need a Millsap, I think I can pick one up whenever I want.

    fastfox: Hibbert would be nice but he is their starting center so Indiana is not likely to give him up and he doesn't help the Jazz with their depth problems at PG and wing.

  • fastfox Ogden, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 8:03 a.m.

    The only guy I want from Indiana is Hibbert....But I don't think I'd want him over Milsap, but that's just me. If we did trade Milsap to Indiana, then I'd say get Hibbert and Collison out of it.

  • TheJazzDidWhat Fredericksburg, VA
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:57 a.m.

    I would like to think that the Jazz can make some deals to get a good core of solid young players to develop into a winning team. The only problem is that the Jazz tend to spend a lot of time and money developing players that end up signing elsewhere in free agency. There just isn't much player loyalty toward teams. If the Jazz can make the right deals to the right players, they may have a chance to keep some of them. If only the "all-stars" that get the big contracts didn't get hurt so often.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    I am tired of Utah being the farm club for other NBA teams...we fight for Millsap and now he's available...come on, we need a new general manager who understands talent...lets make the general manager available.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 6:38 a.m.

    How much do they want Millsap? Would they give up George Hill (PG), Brandon Rush (wing), and a draft pick? That would fill some holes for the Jazz with young guys (25 & 26 years old) who have played pretty long minutes (20+) coming off the bench. They're both cheap and provide some depth in places we need it.

    Is Indiana desperate enough for Millsap that they will also take Okur off our hands at the same time with all their cap space?

  • Portland Trail Blazers Sandy, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 2:13 a.m.

    Haha, Kevin Prichard owns the Utah Jazz. He has killed them financially and made them give up Matthews, "gotta love baby!"

    Go Blazers!

  • Anonigma Murray, UT
    Nov. 29, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    Meh, these ESPN rumors are as credible as talking to a hobo about the Apocolypse.

    Case in point:
    Where were these rumors when D-Will was traded?
    Or how about the Eric Maynor trade?

    That's right....nobody saw those coming.
    The Jazz hold their cards better than anyone.