Just a follow up because I ran out of space....I guess SOS and the other things
that are plugged into a system to justify rankings help the rest of college
football fans go on message boards and bash other teams schedule, or conference,
or lack of a conference, to help themselves feel better about their teams
performance. It's very apparant that the rest of college football dosen't feel
the same way about BYU as some of the posts on this board. If it were so they
wouldn't even be getting near the votes to break into the top 25. It's alright
to think your team is better....what fan dosen't think their team is the
best.But to constantly bash BYU and it's program, by calling them irrelivent
just isn't true. The numbers, wins, and votes say otherwise. All that being
said, it's great because you beat BYU 54-10 to think your team is the better of
these teams.It just means you're in the minority, and not in the
majority......and that's okay to.
I guess I'll try to fill in on how I as a college football fan views things. I
could careless about confrences or how things shake out in confrences. Example,
2004 and the Utes beating Pitt. Pitt getting a BCS bid was terrible...they're
pathetic. Before the Ute trolls go nuts, I'm not taking anything away from that
win, I'm saying they deserved a better opponent. When it's all said and done and
all the bowl games have been played, we have a national champion and a list of
the top 25 in America. One national champion, and everyone falls in behind
depending on the votes. That is starting to fall into place right now. SOS the
Sarigan ratings and all that other stuff is just numbers plugged in for the BCS
stuff I guess. I don't know or why it's talked about and I could careless. As
far as Div 1 football goes right now the 3 teams represented in Utah
are....Aggies, Cougars and Utes, and only one is moving up towards the top 25,
BYU. Granted a loss could change all that. The bottom line is how you finish and
where you finish, nothing else matters.
Come on Cougar fans, lift your heads up gosh dangit all. I dislike all this
negativity by you BYU fans that are down on the team. Yeah BYU lost to the U
54-10 and TCU but look at all the helmet stickers they won, HELEMT
STICKERS!!!!!!!! That is MUCH better than beating your rival or going to a BCS
bowl or even playing for a chance at a conference championship. More helmet
stickers and wacky WAC teams next year! Rise and shout the mediocrity is out.
If we beat Utah, Texas, and TCU; BYU would be national champions right?
BYU turned down a decent offer from the Big East? Which part was decent? Give up
75% of the money you can make on your own and join our dying conference? Did
anyone notice that the leak that stated BYU was being unreasonable was from CBS,
the very group that screwed BYU over in the MWC (they own Comcast)? Explain to
me why we would want to travel clear across the country on a regular basis to
get the same crappy TV deal we had with the MWC. Maybe, just maybe, Holmoe and
the boys know more about what is going on than we do. For those whining about
the weak schedule this year, we have been over that a thousand times. Football
schedules are made years in advance. This year and next year, we made do with
what we could get. We still drew more fans to a cold, late night game against a
nobody team than the u has *ever* drawn to their stadium. The only thing BYU
needs to worry about right now is winning more games. Hopefully, that will
improve next year.
The y is a great WAC team, an okay MWC team and is solidly ranked in the 60s as
an independent team. Great job bronco.
Much of the incentive for BYU to beat meaningful teams was lost after the loss
to Texas. It did not matter if we went 11-1 or 6-6. We were going to the Armed
Forces bowl regardless. No wonder Bronco came up with slogans such
as Quest for Perfection in years past. Anything less than Perfection did not
provide opportunity for greatness. Thats a lot of undue pressure to put on a
coach/team.Lets be honest, turning down a reasonable offer from the
currently BCS qualified Big East was a HUGE mistake that will have a negative
ramifications for years to come. It makes a statement to future recruits that
we are okay with going to mediocre bowl game every year.I dont buy
the whole exposure TV argument. PBS has great exposure. Everyone gets the
channel. But guess what? Nobody watches it. Exposure will come
with relevant MEANINGFUL games.
Ducky,It's not about relevance...it's about your entertainment
The coaching at BYU is sub-par, period. I've yet to see any in-game adjustments
by Roscoe's staff any year he's been the coach that have led to a BYU win. It's
a shame, so much talent yet no wins against good competition. Either Roscoe is
exactly what the BYU admin wants which I suspect is the case, or he needs to be
replaced by someone with the ability to actually coach during a game.
ute trolls posting on this articlekankles54-10 (twice)Y
Grad Pumping gas1984 for life (twice)fendermidmajor4evernoblepromisePipes10 out of 17So who is
irrelevent? It appears BYU is really relevent to utah "fans".LOL!
Failure for a season. 54-10 beat down at home at the hands of the utes?
Unforgivable! The rest of the season, bowl game included, is meaningless.
BYU players don't determine who they play, but how they are coached and
subsequently play against the opponent! It is disappointing that BYU as an
independent scheduled so many teams from non BCS conference even though the
school was on ESPN. BYU home game attendance reflected lower attendance than
previous years and a non ranking (in the top 25) even with wins against teams
below .500. Hopefully next year BYU will play a schedule of teams that are from
five conferences associated with the BCS. If BYU is only able to schedule ranked
teams (typically from BCS conference) only in September because those teams have
conference games in October and November, than staying independent not trying to
join the Big 12 or Big East may have been mistake.
Duhkhunter,Let's get real and put the jealousy and envy aside. Utah
is a member of the PAC 12 conference, a BCS league. The Utes played 10 BCS
teams and two mid-majors. byu is a mid-major, independent team that
played four BCS teams and eight mid-majors. The majority of their schedule was
against the bottom of the WAC. I do understand they will improve their
independent schedule over time. The games against the four BCS teams were
extremely important to byu in proving they belong with the big boys.Are you having a difficult time accepting the fact that the Utah vs byu game
is more important to byu? It certainly isn't as big of game for Utah anymore as
it doesn't count against their conference record.I'm sure you
understand this and your way of dealing with it is to troll on Utah articles and
stir up the pot.I truly hope byu lands a spot in a BCS league so you
can feel your team is relevant again as it once was in the 1980s.Every game is important to an independent team. Only Notre Dame can make a
BCS bowl without a perfect record.
Ducky,So that's why the Cougs lose...they just don't care enough
about winning football games. Well, who knew? Makes sense. With the best
receiving corps and O line in the country and future NFL hall of famer Heaps,
they would have been hoisting the crystal football, but they just didn't care
enough. Maybe you could give the pre-game speech before the Hawaii games and
tell 'em that. Please be sure and let us know what they say. Can't wait hoss.
Regarding comments on the BYU season to date, there are many golden nuggets to
review and analyze. Yes, the key games worth winning were all lost, especially
the Utah game. This set the table for the rest of the season. Combined with a
very week schedule that included too many bye-weeks and we have a less than
successful season. There is alot about the upper management of the athletic
department that needs to be reviewed and addressed. While many think that BYU
football has a wealth of talent, the coaching staff needs to be reviewed and
revised as soon as possible. I saw a lack of focus in this years football team
that I cannot remember ever seeing before. I did not see a will to win. This
issue resides with the coaching staff and they need to account for this. It is
time to bring in an entire fresh set of eyes to run this program. The recent
issues facing BYU and their interaction with other conferences also says the
same thing about the AD. It's time for fresh eyes and focus.
@ DuckhunterSo I am a Utah troll who basically posted what you did?
However, my post was ridiculous, though as you said, it was pretty much the same
thing you said. WOW. You have proven my original point.
Classic. Both UU and BYU have similar articles posted about their team's
season. No comments on the Utah season, 9 on the BYU season, and half the
comments are by Ute trolls. Who hasn't moved on? Pathetic.
Ducky now turning on his own. He's the gift that keeps giving.By
the way, 54-10 and your team quit.Maybe quitting is the problem.
@1984 for lifeThe fact that you are a utah troll aside you pretty
much said the same thing I said. I wonder if you really think that you are
fooling anyone by trying to pretend to be a BYU fan. The screen names generally
give you away but then the ridiculous comments just confirm it.
It's fans like Duckhunter that give the rational Cougar fans a black eye. Never
admitting that another team outplayed the Y or saying the coach didn't take the
game seriously is not helpful. Truth as I see it was that we lost every game we
played when the opponent was above average. I feel that our players have more
ability than they displayed. The Utah game was a debacle. Hopefully this
offseason will be spent by the coaches and the team holding each other
accountable. Let's stop talking about how good we are and start proving it. I
don't care what conference we are in or if we stay independent, just win the
games against the non WAC teams. We have proven we can beat them.
Terrible season, weak schedule, weak coaching, weak negotiations with other
conference. The only thing left is to burn our bridge with the WAC
conference.Knock on wood!
The losses this season are very disappointing. Losing that badly to a team as
bad as utah is definately the low point. The texas game should have been a win
but they found a way to lose it and the tcu game was similar to the texas game.
There is no doubt they must be better than this. In particular they
need to actually treat the utah game as if it matters. That is the big
difference between BYU and utah when it comes to that game. utah wants to win it
and treats it like they want to win it. BYU doesn't seem to put the same
emphasis on it that utah does. I think that is in part because utah's coaches
mainly former Cougar players and they simply don't want to lose to them. Bronco
on the otherhand acts as if it's no big deal and the team seems to play as if
it's no big deal. When you play that way results like the one we got this year
are going to happen.
54-10 and Ducky went AWOL for two weeks.Priceless.
First year was a joke? We're 8-3 with a chance of 10 wins in our first year of
independence. We've had solid ratings on ESPN all year, and have improved each
game. Conservative play-calling killed us against Texas, unforced
TO's and what seemed to be the perfect storm got us vs Utah, and special teams
mistakes/unforced errors in the red-zone doomed us vs TCU, so obviously there's
room for improvement.However, we at least didn't lose to a 2 win
team...that's a relief :) Go Cougars!
At least BYU beat all the bad teams.
Have to agree with Kankles....Given that this was one of the most
talented offensive teams we've ever had...they have massively underachieved and
are very poorly coached! If you can't beat Utah, Texas and TCU in down years
then you have no business proclaiming that you are a nationally relevant team or
even say that you shouild be a top 25 team (Bronco said this last week after
they beat New Mexico State in his post game). I'm tired of all the rhetoric of
"Rise up", "Quest for Perfection", "Band of
Brothers", etc., etc., etc. Go prove it on the field that you
can beat a top 25 team. Is that so hard to ask?
Season is a joke. Lost to every good team and was pounded at home by Utah