We can't be exclusive and have a deal that no other BCS conference team has
either.So in a way we are being held hostage by the ESPN contract itself.
Let's be patient and see how all this plays out.
I am so glad that BYU is not in the Big Easy. The Big Easy will be imploding in
2013 and lose their AQ status. We as fans got robbed for years by the MWC TV
deals. Independence is difficult but it is so much better than the MWC status
which is all the Big Easy can hope for in the future. Superconferences are on
the horizon. BYU is in the driver's seat. Don't forget Who is in charge of the
We'll see what happens. Meanwhile, we will continue to win the games we are
supposed to win and, hopefully, throw in some surprise wins against teams we are
supposed to lose to.
I'm not sure if it's my imagination, or if it's real; but BYU's negotiations
with the Big East seemed to changed about the same time that BCS began
eliminating AQ status and only sponsoring the championship game. BCS status and
easier scheduling were the only things the Big East had to offer BYU.
It was VERY celar to BYU that some of the same schisters behind the MWC deal
were angling for the Big East. This is something that BYU should NEVER
tolerate. With the Big 12 it was merely FOX TV Sports-Net that didn't like the
:no Sunday play" policy dictated by LDS Church rules. The Big 12 will soon
be entering territory where ESPN will likely control theri destiny as they
renegotiate 1st teir rights that will exceed what FOX put on the table and why
FOX resisted the idea of BYU going to the Big 12 even though all the presidents
I have said for months that belonging to a BCS conf. isn't as big a deal as many
want to make it. Yes, the money is good and the sceduling is easier but other
than that it really isn't that neat. Winning is the key, Utah had a decent yr,
(nothing like what the ute fans hoped for ) but they may not even get into a
bowl game, who knows? Just like so many teams/ universities that belong to BCS
conferences half of them won't get into a bowl game. BYU being and staying
independent may be what is best for BYU. I trust those in positons of
responsibility at BYU , they will make decisions that will be what is best for
If this article is accurate, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then BYU
was looking out for BYU's fan base, which demands games be on KBYUtv.I have no problem with BYU standing firm on the rights to broadcast home games
that the "mothership" won't broadcast. I watched the BYU
basketball team beat Nevada today on BYUtv. Under the old MWC deal, this would
not have occurred and the reason's given by the MWC were absurd and mostly
because they wanted the BYU fan base to watch what was on the MTN, which was
usually something like Air Force vs Southwestern of the Northern Lights State,
and BYU fans would miss out on the opportunity of watching their Cougs. So in spite of the the negative attention of negotiating with those two
conferences got BYU, mainly from those who have lost all sense of the meaning of
"Student Athlete," I am proud of BYU for standing up for us, their
fans.So, instead of BYU worrying about so called relevance in
November, they took care of me, their loyal, card carrying, tithe-paying multi
sport season ticket holder, who sends my kids and money to BYU and BYUtv
Staying "consistent" with BYU's ESPN broadcast deal may be the very
thing that leads to irrelevance for the cougs if super conferences emerge and no
one wants BYU because of their history of failed BCS negotiations (0 for 2). BYU
could easily be on the outside looking in when it is all said and done, and the
decision to stay "consistent" may be seen as the worst decision that
could have possibly been made. Here's to hoping that the BOT at BYU
knows something that us fans don't, because right now it is not looking good--as
much as we try to polish it up.
I am part of BYU's fan base, and I demand that BYU join a conference so they
have something to play for every year. I demand that BYU be upfront and truthful
when speaking to me. I demand that BYU get off it's high horse and stop
expecting what no one else has EVER had. And last, I demand Dick Harmon stop
spewing BYU fodder when we all know he doesn't believe it himself.
I have really enjoyed watching the games on BYUtv. I'm torn, though, because
watching blowouts against New Mexico State and Idaho is not that exciting. At
least in conference play there was always the competition between teams to see
who got into what bowl game. Now it seems like there is nothing to play for
except the fun of the game, which really isn't that fun when it's a game against
That $100 million dollar broadcasting building at BYU would sure go to waste if
they had to give up all their TV rights. I'm a little disappointed
in no Big12 and no Big East, but I do know that the future of BYU and the
eventual exposure that will come to the school and my religion will ultimately
be second to none. The places BYU will go and the accomplishments of
this school are exciting to consider. No slight to the U of U, or any other
school for that matter, but BYU has the resources and opportunity that they can
never match. I'm not too worried, by 2013, that schedule will be
fantastic to go along with that exposure. I trust it's gonna work
out how it's supposed to!
Dick glosses over it casually, but it is a fact no BCS conference member retains
broadcast rights.It is just not done. It's part of what schools
commit to the conference in order to receive the benefits of conference
membership.Is BYU just seeking consistency? No, because a two-party
deal between ESPN and BYU granting broadcast rights is not consistent in the
context of a conference where third party conference members would be
impacted.BYU wanted the unprecedented benefit of retained broadcast
rights, and the benefits of conference membership.As my Grandma used
to say you can't have your cake and eat it too.But that is exactly
what BYU wanted. What is astounding is that they then wonder why
they are considered difficult to deal with.
Well just so everyone knows texas has a similar deal to what BYU wanted so we
cant say no other BCS school doesn't have one. But lets be honest the Big East
will probably lose their AQ status and when it happens would we have been better
off than we were when we were in the MWC. I think in the long run it will be a
good move by the big wigs of BYU.
I love being able to watch the games on ESPN and BYUtv. It is infinitely better
than the mtn. I'm in graduate school out of state now and if it wasn't for the
change I probably wouldn't have seen any of the games this year. I appreciate
BYU's admin looking out for those of us out of state. I recognize
Independence has not been great to the season ticket holders this first year,
but hopefully better home games will come.
After all is said and done, the Honor Code, the no Sunday rule, and BYU's
location in Provo will keep it from ever being able to recruit the best talent.
BYU will never be able to consistently play with the big boys or contend
seriously for a national championship...it just can't.It coulda (and
did) in the 80s...30 years later now though it just won't happen.All
of this squabbling over conferences, rights, money, image, publicity,
Why are BYU fans so bugged by not being in the big East? It is a sinking ship
and desperate to survive. We are much better off as an independent. Just relax
and quit worrying about Utah, they will go the way of Washington State and be
mediocre for years to come. The football schedules will get better with
plenty of big schools coming to Provo. The exposure of BYUtv will mean
good recruits will continue to come.For all of Utah's work and amazing
conference their headed to the Vegas Bowl to play TCU and will end the year 7-6.
I love the small-minded comments! It blows my mind that BYU continues to
accomplish waht many say they cannot (not just sports but with academics)and yet
there are so many willing to believe they are smarter than the BYU Admin,
Trustees, coaches, etc and know all there is to know about the negotiations.
Would Notre Dame give up their rights to join an all-powerful, BCS conference?
(I can hear it now: "BUT BYU is NOT ND!" well, they never will be if
they join the Big East or you-pick-it conference. Why shouldn't BYU do something
"nobody else gets"? Holy smokes -- Get some vision. (That means you:
"oh ye confederacy of dunces"; "Fuzz"; and, "Howard
S"). The WORST possible outcome of independence is better than life in
another situation like the MTN. And can you imagine that scenario (not seeing
many games on TV) and having to travel back east to see BYU play for any number
People keep saying that BYU "wanted" this and BYU "wanted"
that. But, to my knowledge, BYU has not revealed what they want
or what they "wanted". I think this article is well
written and even though I don't like the word "consistency" I believe
that BYU, (having been lied to more than once) could never accept "any
deal" that would give away their ESPN TV Rights, or any other Rights,
without an iron clad contract that the other guy or guys would have to pay a
very high price if they failed to keep their promises. In other
words, "no more handshake deals" and a contract that would guarantee
adequate compensation if the Parties of the first part were to fail in any way
to fulfill their promises to the party of the second part. And I
believe the negotiations failed because liars and cheats don't like to sign
contracts that have no escape route if the liars and cheats fail to keep their
re: Hoosier87 "That $100 million dollar broadcasting building at BYU
would sure go to waste if they had to give up all their TV rights." That is just plain nonsense to think that the broadcast building at BYU
was built just for sports!
One more thought...DH's career and access to BYU athletics is not
enhanced by writing things that are not consistent with the position of the BYU
administration. I'm certain he knows that and walks the line very carefully.I wonder if the BYU administration is on board with Dick calling out as
liars some of the most powerful entities in sports broadcasting.Seems a little irrational and well, irresponsible.
Maybe BYU didn't have a realistic chance to be a part of a conference AND retain
its TV rights, but the negotiators made the decision that if they had to choose
between those two good things, retaining its TV rights is more important. I
agree. Independence is a better situation than membership in a re-jiggered Big
@dedmonds"Well just so everyone knows texas has a similar deal
to what BYU wanted so we cant say no other BCS school doesn't have one."****************Not correct. The Texas LHN is for third tier
rights.BYU wanted to retain it's agreement with ESPN for first tier
rights, which is unprecedented.Not the same deal.
BYU is unique---they have world-wide broadcast capability, they won't play on
Sunday, and they have an honor code. They have won a National Championship, the
Heisman Trophy, and numerous titles in more than one conference. Plus, they
have a fairly large amount of fans everywhere they play.Any
conference would be wise to let their teams be show-cased around the world
whenever they play in Provo. Joining the Big East is like booking
passage on the Titanic. We've already been there before with the MWC. (During
the MWC Basketball Tournament in Vegas the Mtn was broadcasting an inner-squad
boxing match of Air Force cadets. Now there's great TV programming!!)Texas has the Longhorn Network and they spent many hours in Provo looking over
the BYU operation. Why should an Owner of a netwwork be forced to give up their
home game TV rights just because no other conference team invested in such
facilities?"Stay the course." The BCS may become a
Championship #1 and #2 game only and further restrict access to the SEC and
whoever else is favored any given year. Only a dozen teams have ever played for
a BCS Championship.
Actually, every time I've seen someone have cake, they eat it. I
love Independence and the WCC. I loved watching the Nevada game today. Now for the important question - did someone get Jabari Parker a ticket
to the game tomorrow?
Dick Harmon is now being paid by BYU directly. Independence will be a terrible
deal for BYU long-term, once big programs stop coming in the November part of
the schedule. BYU would rather suck up to its alumni all over the country than
play actual competition.
Dick: Everything you said I'm sure is true, but the fact of the matter is, Tom
Holmoe and the rest of BYU needs to do a better job with their PR.Yes I know, they have to keep things hush, hush during negotiations when
things aren't yet set in concrete. But now that the Big East deal is basically
dead, I would sure like to each AD Holmoe go on TV or the radio and say
something like, "We have tremendous respect for the Big East conference and
we wish them nothing but success in the future." Then, give us some details
of the talks.Like some Cougar fans, I wasn't sure I liked the whole
joining the Big East anyway. On top of that, I have a sneaking suspicion college
football is going to undergo a major facelift over the next few years. But the fact is, BYU right now looks like a spoiled brat and they need to do
something about this quickly, if for any other reason then it might help them in
the future. @oh ye confederacy of dunces 10:37As long as
there are BYU hating trolls, BYU football will stay relevant.
Dear Teleste: You have absolutely NO idea what kind of talent BYU can attract
and what future possibilities are. The fact is, BYU has a different
set of values than other schools. The value for BYU is giving the school
standards and the Church the greatest amount of exposure possible. BYUtv is literally available on a global basis. It is available to hundreds
of millions of viewers in the U.S. alone. The school and the Church are NOT
going to give up those kinds of opportunities just to get into a conference that
will make a few fans and a few football professionals happy. The Big East
promised BYU a deal that would make as much money. Money isn't the value for
BYU. IT'S EXPOSURE on the widest possible basis. They shouldn't do ANYTHING
that will jeopardize that position.
Dick, I find your article hilarious in so many ways, but first and foremost BYU
still has a bunch of egos and the arrogance is running abundance within the
program!!Stay "INDEPENDENT" the yearly WAC play is
stroking many fans egos while you literally kick a dying breed. You put BYU in
the same class Utah and TCU, sorry but you were never invited to the Big East
(TCU) and then to the Big 12 (TCU) and of course BYU will never see a PAC-12
(Utah) invite for the simple reason they just don't fit in the scheme of
things.Boise State on the other hand is focusing on catering to
Football and have nothing to show in their other sports programs. Air Force will
stay in the MWC as they too know they can't get it any better and they're even
talking of taking all their other sports off the MWC program because they can't
compete.BYU needs to just stay "INDEPENDENT" period, no
one wants you for numerous of reasons........Craig Thompson is laughing at you!!
Yes, they are consistent. But are they consisent on something that nobody
really cares about? Who wants to watch old football games? They are done..over
with! We know who won or lost! It is inconsequential! Rather than watch old
BYU football games shouldn't we be engaged in doing good works? I
have never understood why BYU replays their football games ad-nauseum.
With Dick Harmon you always know that BYU is going to ride in on its white horse
and save the day. They can do no wrong. I do agree that BYU has had a rough time
and they aren't quite as difficult and unreasonable as they appear to be (though
they most certainly are being difficult as HOWARD S points out. Yes, they made a
mistake in the past but now they have gone too far the other way) Above all, I
agree with BYU HOCKEY that we cannot forget that Cecil O Samuelson is in charge
of the university. That, indeed, is the bottom line. Carry on Cecil.
Why can't BYU have its cake and eat it too? That's exactly what they are doing
right now. Maybe BYU's cake isn't as big as ones in the SEC or Big 12 or even
the Pac 12 but at least BYU gets to make their own cake (probably carrot) and
then eat it instead of relying on some conference who wants to serve them rum
cake. BYU will try to do what's best for BYU - its students, faculty, and fans -
and for the LDS Church. It's that simple. It's not a matter of hubris or greed,
it's a matter of BYU having a different mission from other universities.For now, I'll enjoy watching BYU games in whatever part of the country I
Always put Agreements in Writings. People and circumstances change along the
way. What's in Black and White proves Legal and Official. Go BYU!!!
Yet another classic article from Dick Harmon. He, and some Cougar fans, love to
play the "we were lied to," and "BYU-good, everyone
else-bad" cards.I know that when I demand something that NO ONE
else has, I look in the mirror and consider whether I am being too demanding,
feeling too entitled. Howard S. got it right when he said of BYU, "What is
astounding is that they then wonder why they are considered difficult to deal
with." But if you never consider that maybe you're being unreasonable,
then clearly it looks like it's the other guy with the problem.I
would love to see BYU in one of the big 6 conferences, even if the BCS goes away
like some believe it will. Playing quality opponents with a conference
championship on the line is a key element of college athletics. While BYU is
one of a few schools who can make independence work, the Cougars would be better
served in a quality conference.Bargaining "consistently,"
as Harmon calls it, comes off as saying "if I can't play quarterback, then
I'm taking my ball and going home." Join the game, Cougars, it will be
@FuzzI demand that you know your boundaries and understand that BYU
owes you no explanation at all and you should learn to mind your own
business.@Howard S.You need to understand that BYU has
"Assets", which came about by achievement and developing a National
Brand and Fanbase.Utah on the other hand, must ride the Coat-tails
of Superior programs within a Conference Dynamic, to survive.It's a
Socialistic approach. Utah's biggest concern is to preserve the Confernce
Model, and hope that their Conference's Elite programs, Oregon, USC, UCLA, ASU,
Washington, Cal, etc. never go Independent.Otherwise, tag alongs
like Utah, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Baylor, Wake Forrest, Rutgers etc.. will
have to swim on their own. And they will surely drown.BYU was being
asked to relinquish Broadcast Rights for their Home Games. And were then asked
to take a 75% cut in TV revenues. Years ago, maybe BYU jumps at the
Big East. However, that ship has now sailed and BYU is quite content with
Independence, ESPN, BYU-TV and the WCC.BYU asked for
"Nothing" which they don't "Already Possess". The Big East was "Demanding" that BYU "Give up
"Already-Establised-Assets".Who's the Demanding One now?
fizzI love your demands. I'm sure byu will meet all your demands. I'd
love to know the types of negotiations that you have been involved with....no
pickles with my burger, I want real diet coke not caffeine free. I'll bet you
feel like a real hero when you go into chuck arama and just demand everything
you want for $11.99. Good luck pal. You might want to move your allegiance to
Utah. In the meantime, you might want to sit down, take a deep breath, if
needed, have a brown bag ready for use, in the event you hyperventilate and see
what comes out of this.
Seems like Mr. Harmon has his sensitive shoes one today.
Many have said that "no BCS conference teams have retained the rights to
rebroadcast their games." Sounds to me like BCS schools have poor
negotiators. There are teams that have huge followings who should be able to
take advantage of their following status. BYU has a huge following, Notre Dame
has a huge following, I would think that Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Stanford
along with many others all have huge followings. Why are they not asking for
these same types of rights? The first reason is that they do not have the
facilities to do the broadcasts. The second reason is that they are not bold or
brave enough to fight the current system. They are all mired down by the
mediocre teams in their leagues and allow those others from allowing them to
reach their full marketing potential. These are also the same teams who carry
their leagues year in and year out. BYU was bold, brave and had the solid
facilities and support to break out of a League and begin to dictate it's own
future. And..... a great future it will be.
Hear, hear to many of the comments, but I have two things to say: I am so sick
of the Mountain channel where too much of the time is given to Colorado State
University and their "wonderful" coaches and programs. I'm glad to be
rid of them! Athletics are ONLY GAMES and when people admit that
academics (which BYU has) and spirituality are so much more important, then we
will all be the better because of it. Athletics have drawn a lot of non-LDS
students to the Y, where they have been spiritually fed and found a good way of
life that they may never have known otherwise. Names could be named but then
someone would be left out and that's not right; suffice it to say they are
numerous! Hurrah for BYU and BYUtv which makes it possible for THE WORLD to see
what they enjoy. If you don't like what's on the tube, change the channel. I am a letter-earning former athlete from BYU and wear my heart on my
sleeve when it comes to athletics, but I know it is ONLY a GAME!
@ Bluto"BYU asked for "Nothing" which they don't
"Already Possess"."**********The BYU position
on retention of broadcast rights within the context of conference membership
reminds me of a single young man who decides he wants the benefits of marriage
but wants to retain the right to date as he chooses.And then
astonishingly the young man is surprised when he is considered unreasonable and
The fact of the matter is...despite the smugness of former conference partners
who have now joined so called Super Conferences and supposedly are living a
dream of being part of an Automatic Qualifying conference...the reality is that
not even they have agreements in stone. If they even think they do... they are
totally naive about the BCS Beast. Today we are in a world of raids on other
conferences and seeing defections of programs scrambling for what is thought to
be a Utopic concept of belonging to an elite and exclusive club... which is
true... that is what is taking place. But it is an organization that will turn
on you in a New York minute. When these so called four super conferences
finally get organized they won't be talking about culling conferences such as
the rumors of dropping the ACC...the Big East or The Big 12 they will be culling
the bottom feeder programs that they selected and invited that can't cut the
mustard and will replace them with teams that can. It may take a few years But
BYU is by no means out in the Cold...Not with ESPN. AndUtah isn't necessarily
BYU is staying course by looking at the big picture.In a few years,
the Super Conferences will include the Pac 16, the Big Ten, the SEC, and the
ACC, which many assume will each have 16 teams.The Big 12 and the
Big East will be left out.It is in BYU's best interest to stay
independent until the Super Conferences accelerate their push.The
SEC and the ACC already have 14 teams, so they are on their way to the assumed
16 teams per Super Conference. The Pac 16 needs four more, Big Ten four more,
ACC two more, and the SEC two more.So, there are 12 more openings.
which will go to mostly Big 12 schools, just a few Big East schools, and likely
Notre Dame by then.I believe BYU has a good shot at one of those 12
remaining spots. At that time, it may be in BYU's best interest to go easier on
the TV deals. Until then, no thanks.
Sometimes the Church and therefore BYU tees me off but I am with them on this.
If we are involved we will do it our way. Good for BYU.
Everyone says it's not about the money with BYU. If that's true then why
couldn't BYU just negotiate to buy the rebroadcast rights to their own games?
Surely there could be some creative solution that could make all sides happy.
Super conferences may be coming but if BYU is consistent then they will always
be left out of these deals.
Of course it is all about the money, surprised it took Harmon all that writing
to come down to they want the money themselves. Everybody does so no big deal
BYU does. Texas did the same thing and that conference has lost members cause
they don't want to play the Texas way. Replacing Texas A&M and Missouri
with TCU and maybe West Virginia in a couple of yeas does not help the
conference only the Texas TV rights. Give BYU credit for finally waking up and
smelling the money. Better to go 9-3 every year and be the unofficial WAC
champion with money in your pockets than without the money.
The Big East didn't want us because we want the ability to control much of our
TV exposure?Fine.BYU has ALWAYS marched to the beat of a
different drummer and we always will.I say we stay independent, keep
recruiting the very best LDS players and any other athletes with character and
morals and (on the field) beat the tar out of everyone else.It can
be done. All it takes it committment, courage and teamwork. That will beat
'talent' every time.
Dick Harmon's report makes much more sense than Gordon Monson's tripe. I want
to be able to watch BYU sports--and certainly not on Sunday.
I don't know what really happened (and I don't think anyone here does either)
but it does seem to revolve around at least two things: 1) money and, 2) TV
visibility (namely, Church visibility around the world). Depending on how the
first is approached #1 could be resolved, but NO TV firm is going to allow
itself to become a vehicle for proselyting (#2). Somehow, we need to start
thinking outside the "Mormon" box and when we do, THEN, our Church is
going to LEAP forward. Read Gary C. Lawrence's book "How Americans View
Mormons". It is a real eye-opener!!!
Yeah, we are all better off without being in the Big East or Big 12 which is
opposite what we all felt and what the writers all wrote just a few days
ago...Now that we can't get in we will just say we didn't want it anyways, we're
better off without them and ignore that awful pit in the stomach feeling we get
when we think about 8 pm games against the Big Sky or whoever else....Its all
about "exposure" as we continue to become more irrelevant playing
Idaho State on national TV that no one besides us is watching. I am a loyal
Cougar but can't help but feel deflated and won't be heading to the stadium
Time to stop beating a dead horse and move on.It's obvious that BYU
wasn't interested in joining a conference that couldn't deliver at least the
same level of exposure that BYU already enjoys.BYU's schedule will
improve in a couple of years. Not sure the same can be said of the Big East.
So tired of the media hounds here in Utah/Provo trying to put a positive spin on
quite possibly the worst thing to happen to BYU football in 30 years. All in the
name of showing a game in Zimbabwe. The fact that BYU broadcasting has become
central to the mission really undermines the "attending" fan base and
gives preference to fans that are half way across the world.This is
pathetic that Utah and now even USU will actually be playing for more than the
Cougars, that is not hyperbole, it is a simple fact. Unless BYU goes perfect
their season becomes pointless after the first loss. Then on top of that BYU
finishes with a WAC schedule.Lame negotiating and a real blow to the
fan base that actually goes to the stadium to watch the game.
Really Dick? BYU needed you to say something to counter G. Monson's article in
the Trib? Please tell the whole story! Ready everyone? BYU's demand of home
broadcast rights(ESPN deal) is a unrealistic demand that not 1 School within a
AQ conference can have. Not USC, not LSU, not Texas, not Ohio St. Nobody! I can
see the logic of not going to the Big East but the Big 12, I cannot understand.
BYU needs to please quit tell us the it wants "to compete at the highest
The have-nots (Big East, Big 12---not having enough "valid" teams to
muster an SEC-quality 12-team league leaves them both lacking), are mad because
BYU showed that they're no longer a have-not---BYU now has the national, weekly
exposure for all of its sports and the full support of ESPN.BYU
would be dumb to join a have-not conference, neither of which's long-term
futures are certain, while giving up what it HAS. It has all-sports national
exposure the likes of which even the top teams in BCS conferences don't have
(except maybe Notre Dame). Why give THAT up?I seriously doubt
scheduling for football will be so impossible that BYU can't get enough good
teams to play to keep its SOS high enough, year to year, to be eligible for a
BCS-type bowl game should its record be worthy. It'll happen. BYU can be in
top-tier bowls, no doubt.Independence is MUCH better than joining a
BCS conference whose future is as uncertain as the two Bigs.Difficult to work with? How about just being uncomprehending of BYU's ability
to say No to having what THEY don't have!
This is another long list of Harmon articles that try to sway support BYU's way.
There is one fact here. Greed and lack of commitment to putting quality teams
in LES every game for the paying fan that goes to the games. I am an ex BYU
recruit of a sport because of money was dropped at BYU. That does not make me a
BYU hater because I have coached numerous athletes that have played and are
playing football at BYU. BYU sold themselves and their values away to ESPN and
now they have to live with it. They will be on the outside and it serves them
right. But Harmon will try to make it seem when they are left out, it will
still be for the best. Only word to describe it like I said is all mighty
greed. And that is disappointing for a group that preaches other values.
So, Comcast lied and then wouldn't return phone calls? Good to know as a
consumer when deciding on a cable provider.
If Harmon is not being paid directly by the BYU PR people, then at least all his
columns appear to be written by them. I have a hard time getting very far into
his cheerleading for BYU and am rarely able to finish a column without gagging.
I presume that this one was prompted as a reply to Monson's excellent column in
the Tribune, but Harmon's view does not come across as credible. Honesty is dealing is demanded of others by BYU, but not reciprocated when
others have trusted BYU athletics. There are numerous examples, but just for
one: BYU demanded to transfer a football game scheduled to be played at USU to
Provo. They flexed their muscles by stating that they would just cancel the
game if USU would not agree. In exchange, they promised USU an extra basketball
game in Logan. As soon as the football game had been played in Provo, they
reneged on the basketball game in Logan. It was never played there, and a year
later they finally agreed to play the game in Salt Lake City. Honoring a
contract appears to be a one-way street for BYU.
The TV rights, the autonomy, and the money are the good things about staying
independent. The bad thing is the team doesn't have much to play for once they
lose a game. They become a "show" team with no purpose. I think this
could affect recruiting in the future.I would seriously like Pres
Samuelson and/or Tom Holmoe to come out publicly with a statement to tell their
side of the story. This "secrecy" does not sit well. And if they feel
they don't owe the financially supporting fans any explanation, then at least
for public damage control they need to make a statement.
BYU just may be way ahead of their time with this Independence thing especially
if the BCS(ESPN has the BCS TV rights) decides to get rid of automatic bids for
Conferences. What would be the benefits of conference membership for the bigger
Schools if that happened? Why would USC and Texas for example want to be in a
Conference? Why wouldn't USC and UCLA get together and go out and cut their own
TV deal with that Huge LA TV market? Each School could potentially make 50 to 60
million per year for broadcast rights! Why would they want to share all their
revenue with the rest of the Conference? Not every School could do this but it
makes you think what may be down the road. I think Texas will go Indy within 5
years,(all Sports) thus BYU hestitation to the Big 12. They already have their
network in place. Something to think about
I would trade in twenty plus of Mr. Harmon's speculative commentaries on BYU's
future status for just one definitive statement from Mr. Holmoe or the BOT about
where we stand and where we are going.Nothing personal Dick. Just
tired of all the endless speculation.
@idabluDamage control?Certainly you realize that Dick
Harmon is BYUs damage control voice.
Calm down everyone, this is the fun part of negotiating, remember the first one
to speak is the first one to loss, never let on to what cards you are
holding.BYU is in the drivers seat here why should BYU surrender up
there ESPN deal ? ESPN in good faith gave BYU what they wanted that is to retain
all TV rights and be able to broadcast home games that ESPN did not air as well
as the right to re-broadcast all there games, sweet deal indeed.BYU
stay the course, keep what you have, add to it if you can and do not blink at in
the negotiations. Remember they called you, that places you squarely
In just a few months of independence, BYU has received more exposure and been
seen in more homes than it ever could have over the course of several seasons in
any conference. Why give that up? I have loved being able to see so many games
while living outside the confines of Utah Valley.We need to stop
being like all the failed civilizations from the past who say we have to be like
everyone else. We don't have to be like everyone else. We have a face now. We
have exposure. We need eyes on our programs. We finally have that. Now we build
the brand. Thank you for not caving to the calls for conformity. We
are unique. I love that. Now let your light shine.
Why all the fuss? Aren't Christians but won't play on Sunday (may be the
ONLY school who won't). Don't tell all before its time/settled.Has a
different mission/purpose than JUST sports.Already has a TV Network.Plays a full schedule of games regardless of "how powerful" haters
might think.Makes money and doesn't spend more than it takes in.Has
problems with kids like any other organization that deals with young adults.
However, that is on the choices of individuals and not a rush to change policy
because the secular world says so.Has coaches who don't just jump and run
away at the drop of the dollar.Hey I'm happy with independence and/or
conference. As a fan I take the good with the bad; tough with the easy; wins
with the losses; successes with the failures and still get up each day happy to
be on this side of the grass.
People keep thinking this is about football- it is not- it is about BYU-tv/
Church tv and that brand is what is being built-right now the best draw
available is football and so that is being retained and is building that- this
is a much bigger picture thing for BYU and the Church- football is just a
vehicle to some ends- meanwhile we the fans keep thinking this is about
football- no such chance
To just-commentating up in Logan: BYU has done more for USU than anyone. Some
years ago the Y agreed to play football in .Logan 2yrs in a row so USU could try
to stay in D-1 because the attendance was so poor ( avg of less than 15K per
game). We pay you a fortune to come to Provo to play football every other
year and get paid little for going to Logan And given how we are treated
there in basketball, why should we want to come to Logan again? It would be
fine with me to just quit playing you in basketball; and not because we are
afraid of you - see the record.
Consistent position or not, the style negotiators used with both the Big 12 and
Big East managed to tick off a lot of schools. That's not likely to make
scheduling future games with those schools any easier when BYU is scrambling to
fill its schedule. Nor does leaving a bad taste in other universities'
administrators' mouths seem consistent with the overriding purpose of BYU
athletics, to help the image of the LDS Church. Comparing the Big 12 or even Big
East to the Mountainwest is comparing apples to oranges. Something that might
have been okay to take a hard line on when dealing with an obscure conference
like the Mountainwest isn't necessarily something that makes sense to push when
negotiating with a major conference that has national exposure. I guess being on
a late game on Espn U is a little better than being on Versus or The Mtn, but
really, how many people are going to watch a late game against an Idaho or New
Mexico State? We can't even fill the stadium against those teams. I'm afraid
BYU is likely to be left on the outside looking in when the dust settles on the
college football landscape.
It will be interesting to see what becomes of the BCS conferences if/when the
BCS decides to just host the NC game or they actually go for an 8-team playoff
consisting of the top 8 poll teams. In the first scenario, the bowls will be
free to negotiate their deals with conferences. Rose will probably go back to
the PAC12-Big10. Someone will want the SEC champion vs at large, Big12 vs at
large, etc.It is the "at large" clause that is intriguing.
At top 8 BYU team would certainly qualify for an "at large".OTOH, if the big bowls lock up conference champions as before, then BYU will
have to settle for some other bowl.Oh well. What's new? BYU keeps
its share of whatever bowl plus the ESPN revenue throughout the year.I see no advantage of a Big East tie-up in either of those scenarios.
Where do you guys come up with some of the bile that spews from your fingers?
BYU doesn't pay Harmon so hence he is not doing 'damage control'. He is very
clearly on the DNews payroll so call it how it is not how your fantasy would
have it be.This was not speculation. It was fact. At least as far as
any of you guys can prove! lol
Boston college, Miami, Syracuse, Pitt, TCU, and West Virginia all leave the Big
East for something better. Uconn, Rutgers, and Loiusville are all
actively looking for a way out.Air Force isn't sure they want to
join.BYU declines to join because being Indy meets their goals
better.Somehow BYU is unreasonable because they won't join. Really?
I mean really?
Irrelevant is losing to Colorado at home.Irrelevant is thinking you are
everything because you are in the 4th best BCS conference.Irrelevant is
being 4-5 in that conference with 4 losses coming at RES.Irrelevant is
losing 2 in a row in the Bahamas.Irrelevant is being a Ute.
Why should byu get special benefits that other schools in the conference don't
Dick Harmon,Thanks for the great article. I think this is one of
your best ever. I have been a fan of yours going back to the Provo Hearld days
and since that time with the Desert News.I dont know how any
reporter could be more objective than you were in this story.Thank
you for good journalism.Ron Uharriet.
tbassIt is called doing the deal, negotiating the best deal that you
can garner. That is how BYU and anyone who can negotiate what they want get's
the brass ring, obtains the sweet victory of negotiating skills. Kudos to the
negotiation process. Go BYU !
I don't know who is lying or telling the truth anymore. Doesn't even matter if
its a Christian based school, people are human and will lie to gain support. I
want to say its been BYU all along with their outrageous demands, but it could
very well be the conferences are being difficult. The only reason I don't care
to support BYU in anything, is because when it comes to their football team,
they think they are better than everyone else and Holier than Thou! You can see
it and feel it. BYU acts like their stuff don't stink. IMO, no one is perfect,
not even BYU!
54-10 WHOOPTY DOO! said:"Irrelevant is losing to Colorado at
home.Irrelevant is thinking you are everything because you are in the 4th
best BCS conference.Irrelevant is being 4-5 in that conference with 4
losses coming at RES.Irrelevant is losing 2 in a row in the Bahamas.Irrelevant is being a Ute."That sounds more appealing than
not belonging to a conference at all. Utah had something to play for each
week.BYU tied itself to the AF Bowl. Not much to play for each week.
Especially our extremely boring schedule of games.Sounds like die hard BYU
fans need to get over it. The glory days are over. We don't belong to the WAC
anymore. And scheduling their teams does not help our status. Fans need to be
reminded what the schools mission is all about. No Sunday play means BYU is not
interested in title chasing for any sport.
I totally believe the general council has been directed.
Someone other than a utah troll help me understand how a school who says
"Hey, if you guys aren't going to broadcast up the game, let us broadcast
it" is so unreasonable? I'm sure both schools involved would love the
@ CatsBYUTV, its exposure around the globe, and BYU's standars will
NEVER bring the recruits that LSU gets to Provo.IMO--it won't even
sway the Rocky Mountain recruits that want to play serious college
football...they'll either be picked up by the biggest/best schools... or they're
all now gonna now head to Colorado and Utah to be in the PAC 12. Full Disclosure:I'm a BYU alum, I know what BYU's like and what it's
about, given the choice now, I'd pick Utah 10/10 times...especially if I were an
I have been very uneasy about jumping into a gutted out Big East, and am glad we
didn't do it. BYU requiring that it retain broadcast rights was another way of
saying, "Look, if we are going to abandon the advantages we already have,
you are going to have to offer more than we now possess."Call
it arrogance, holier-than-thou, whatever. I really don't care. If refusing to
massage the Big East's ego passes for unreasonable or arrogant, then I take it
as a complement. I'm not so star-struck and infatuated with the BCS that I am
desperate just to be a "part of the club". I say that not because I
think we are so much better than everyone else, I just don't think it is in
BYU's best interest to join the Big East now.I would rather we have
the freedom to make our own decisions and live with the consequences--good or
bad. Freedom is the key for me. I realize that we could lose, but I accept
that possibility along with the possibility that we could be sidestepping a
headache, with the BCS as it is in flux.
This is the beginning of the end for BYU football and Dick Harmon's supply of
blue kool-aide which he loves to drink. BYU wanted something that nobody gets
as if they think they are Notre Dame. Consistency has nothing to do with this.
BYU wanted something unreasonable.This was a stupid move. BYUs main
fan base is the in U.S. of A and, despite what some people want to say, their
fans would have been able to get the games just fine. The Big East, which is a
BCS conference and has big media relationships, is not the same as a pidly,
regional, non-BCS conference that was stupid enough to do their own TV network.
These major broadcasters are even now doing replays and streaming online
sometimes. Nobody cares about rebroadcasting when major networks already pick
up games because people have DVRs.I am tired of BYUs antics and
until they are loyal to me as a fan I am going to stop following the program.
There is nothing to play for and recruits now know that BYU isn't really serious
about a final destination at the end of the year.
Some keep forgetting one very important fact... 'Exposure' is mostly
about interest and intrigue. People aren't interested in late games with lousy
teams or a BYU football program that is irrelevant due to bad choices and so
access is not going to be that important. Just because Brady Bunch re-runs are
available doesn't mean someone is going to watch them.BYU should
have joined a BCS conference for exposure and stopped worrying about BYUtv.
There are plenty of other things that it can be used for besides one sport that
has it's own unique needs. This was a bad move!
Dear Fuzz,Who the heck do you think you are to be making all these
demands?Are you this much trouble at home?
Brady Bunch? Making fun of that is like stomping on the BYU logo mid-field at
LES. Kitty kat fans take Brady Bunch very seriously. :0
Over the past few weeks, I have been quite critical of BYU and their
negotiations to get into a major conference. Then, just a couple of hours ago it
hit me and it hit me hard. Everything I have said has been based on one
assumption -- an erroneous assumption. I have been assuming that it is important
to BYU to compete at the highest level. Frankly, their actions over that past
few months indicate that it is not important to them. And as a BYU graduate and
active LDS, I am more than fine with this. I have argued for years that major
college athletics should not be a high priority for BYU. They need to keep their
religous focus intact. Everybody agrees that they are better off now than they
were in the MWC and that they are better off in the WCC and independent with
football than they would be in the WAC. They can get exposure (but at the cost
of some relevance at the higher levels) and still schedule a few big name
opponents and complete the season with a WAC schedule. They may even reach a BCS
bowl every few years. I like it.
"To put it harshly, somebody lied.Yes, the MWC and BYU's legal
team should have nailed it down in black and white, but they didn't. They shook
the hands of TV folks and trusted promises would be honored.Those
promises were never honored."Dick, this is explained in five
(5) simple words..."What Did the Contract Say?"byu signed
it, what did it say? Again you look to deflect the responsibility that is byu's
to bare. They signed the contract. End of story.
Indy is good for byu. Unfortunately their schedule will always be half of the
wac. If exposure is all you care about it, then enjoy it weather it be good or
bad. You can watch that exposure on the precious byutv where the only people
watching are mormons.
It seems to me that many of the commentators here have forgotten the reasons why
BYU left the MWC. If the MWC were to retain their current teams, pick up
the best teams from the Big East and CUSA, and offered BYU a spot, would you
advocate taking it? As others have mentioned, there are 3 reasons to
be in a conference for BYU: 1. Scheduling 2. BCS access. 3. The opportunity to
play for a conference championship at the end of the season--late season
relevance. Aside from the conference championship, I'm not so sure the
other two will be issues in a couple of years for BYU. This can not
be said of many other schools who rely heavily on the bargaining power of a
conference for both money and TV exposure. Less than half of the schools in each
conference could pull off their own TV deal at all, and almost none would make
as much as they do in a conference. I would have liked for BYU to
join a conference, but certainly not regardless of the price. MWC
2.0? No thanks!
IF BYU didnt join the Big East because the league wouldnt approve of BYU
rebroadcasting any game played in the conference TV contract or allow BYU to
broadcast any game that the conference TV contract didnt broadcast, then I agree
with their position.However, news paper reports said BYU wanted to
keep all of their home football game tv rights. Basically, keep their ESPN
contract. If that is the case, it is quite arrogant of BYU to think they should
have what no other team in NCAA has. It might hurt now but lets be
patient and see how things look in another year or two.
It has taken me the season to accept the reality of BYU football. BYU football
(BYU everything really) is simply about furthering the mission of the LDS
Church. That is okay. No fan who truly understands should expect anything less.
But for me it does mean adjusting my expectations to the reality of
what BYU football really is about. I am not hoping for a BCS bowl game because
it simply won't happen. I am looking forward to watching quality kids (likely
99.9% LDS) who play hard and represent the LDS Church with class. Some
entertaining football would be nice sprinkled in there somewhere but in the end
it is about exposure for the Church above all else. Is church
exposure something that motivates me to plan my vacations and extra income
around BYU games and midlevel bowls? Probably not. But I suppose I will tune in
a couple times a year when they play a quality team. My excitement
and enthusiasm for BYU football is probably a fraction of what it used to be.
But at least my expectations are now in line with the reality of what BYU
football is all about.
Exposure: LSU, Standford, OSU, Alabama,USC...all of these universities have a
common denominator: they have very good football programs. A university can have
the best television production studio, HD truck, and access to multiple markets
but without a quality product on the field people will not tune in. Even the New York Yankees that have access to the largest local television
viewing audience in the U.S., try to assemble quality teams year and year out.
Living in NYC for many years I don't recall any articles on HD capability of a
station, an HD truck, or production values. People don't watch or tune in to a
station to hear a station / network tell everyone how great they are or what
type of cameras its station uses. Building a great football team
starts at the top. Perhaps, if the Y focuses more on its football program and
what works and what isn't working, next year may be a start of something better.
However, if football isn't the Y's forte anymore, fielding the AV team may prove
to be more entertaining and interesting for television viewers, especially since
it is now in HD.
@FuzzGeezzzzz, you sure demand a lot. What else do you demand? You
remind me of a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum when you don't get your
way.I live near Seattle and was not able to watch BYU sports of any
kind until this year. I am loving it. BYU wants exposure and they are finally
getting it. BYU TV has amazing resources and they are finally able to use those
resources to good advantage.True, BYU's scheduling is not the best
they year, but football schedules are planed years in advance. They were lucky
to get on anyone's schedule this year. Their scheduling in the out years is much
better and will continue to improve.I trust BYU's leadership. It
will all work out for the best.
I was hoping they would join the Big East but have no problem with them giving
up anything to join either. To those of you so called BYU fans
jumping ship. PLEASE JUMP!
@ Alex TucsonYou are correct. I am continually impressed with how
little people really understand about the negotiation process.The
conjuring up of images like secret combinations, slight of hand tricks like
rabbit out of the hat by these conspiracy seekers is extremely comical and
entertaining.You must remain calm, collected and retain what
beneficial options you currently hold and look for ways to add to it without
loosing said benefits.It is that simple. The BYU does not see value
in surrendering up its ESPN contract for a weak and collapsing conference like
the Big East. The BCS is on extremely shakey ground it has 2 years at best
before it collapses as-well. I say freedom allows BYU to move
quickly and in its best interest. Also, to all those who have such weak
constitutions about the quality of schedule in these early years of independents
need to remember that one needs to crawl before they walk so yes the schedule
will be lame at times in these early years, so what, grow up and know that, that
is a reality of change.Is the glass half empty or Half full ?
When BYU starts playing real teams and winning on a consistent basis, then they
will be taken seriously. Living in an area with real teams and Universities
with real research and programs, it is rather hilarious to read these type of
As a lifelong BYU fan I am glad that Utah got in a bowl game, they had a tough
schedule week after week that playing in the PAC12 brings. Utah is not my
concern and tearing them down does really not feel as good as it should because
I work with some really great Utah fans. Like it or not we are ships headed in
different directions and both should see success in the future.BYU will
thrive as an independent because of BYUtv. Call it the Atlanta Braves affect
where the exposure alone will generate fans. On top of that they will continue
to get excellent recruits when parents will be able to see their kids play no
matter the sport from women's BB, softball and all the men's sports.BYU is
much more than just football, we have a top to bottom sports program that is
superior to many many schools including Utah.
Stand Tall Cougars! I love being associated with a school that takes a stand
for what we believe is correct. I like the indy route for football and the WCC
& MPSF for all of our other sports.I am real pleased we did not
accept the invite from the Big East...the league kept leaking information to the
press after they agreed to keep the negotiations private. Not the best way to
start a business relationship.
Romney, yes; Checketts, no.Romney resurrected the Olympics that had
been marred by shady dealings.Checketts was part of the team that
was tricked the first time around and did not documentize the agreement. Why
use a proven sucker the second time?