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Published: Sunday, Nov. 27 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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RRB
SLC, UT

Already a way for people to square themselves with the laws, go home and come back legally.

When will the Deseret news start telling people to come here legally so we don't face the same problem in the future?

SLars
Provo, UT

We have had guest workers in this country for decades, they are called visa workers. Let's not create a sub class of workers to satisfy business interest.

He is talking about letting those that have been here for 25 years a chance to stay, that would mean deportation of 90% of those here illegally. It was a mere 25 years ago that we had our last amnesty. When people come here illegally for 25 years to work, and we allow them to stay and work, that is amnesty.

Any parent who has raised a child knows that you don't reward bad behavior.

Joe Smith
Mountain View, CA

I am not willing to discuss what is to be done with those already hear until the border is secured.

NOBODY is talking about mass deportation. If you take away incentives, people will leave on their own. If you can't get a job, you'll have to leave on your own accord.

So it is okay if they have been here 25 years - what about 20? How can we verify how long they have been here?

Sure, they might have been paying taxes (sales). If they have been paying income taxes, it is because they have committed ID theft, something for which if I or any other citizen did, we'd go to jail.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

This article SOUNDS so moral, faithful, and true.

But so does Satan, disguised as an angel of light, when he speaks.

There are several problems with this editorial.

First, it is fundamentally false to assert -- in the name of family -- that we should not enforce the law. Americans who value the Constitution and the rule of law know that the institution of the family faces a far greater threat in an environment of lawlessness. For this reason, we never assert that because it might result in family separation, U.S. citizen burglars (for example) should not be prosecuted or incarcerated.

Nor do we, as a nation of laws, unjustly imply that such separations are the fault of a law-abiding society. Rather, we rightly place the blame for such separations squarely where it belongs: on the criminal who chose to break the law.

And the notion that families are "destroyed" as a result of deportation, is false. Sure it may be inconvenient, but the fact is, deportees are free to take their families with them. Family members likewise are free to join them.

Lastly, family members routinely are left behind -- separated -- at the time of illegal entry into America.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

(continued)

The notion that legalization is "moral," and "only fair," certainly is disingenuous. A 25-year criminal who disdains America, its laws, and its Constitution, and who almost certainly has engaged in perjury, identity theft, and otherwise lying, cheating, and stealing, as a way of life -- should not be rewarded with legal residency while BILLIONS of respectful, would-be immigrants continue to wait in line politely. It is grossly unfair AND immoral, and Americans know it.

And how truly "humane" is it to relegate millions to a 2nd-class existence of indentured servitude -- which is EXACTLY what "legalization that doesn't necessarily lead to citizenship" would amount to.

Other "core principles?" How about the principle that this is a country of laws and that without the law -- and RESPECT for the law -- the U.S. Constitution cannot survive, and that without the Constitution, there is no safety for families, nor freedom of religion, which enables the family-promoting churches to even exist.

There is only one way for them to "square themselves with the law:" turn themselves in to ICE -- or, at least, avoid prosecution, put their affairs in order, and return -- with their families -- to their home countries.

JBrady
Murray, Ut

How much does Deseret management being a chairman for the Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce affect your viewpoint on illegal immigration?

The lack of compassion towards Utah's workers and taxpayers tends to show the true motivation, and I don't think it has anything to do with humane.

RichardB
Murray, UT

When someone comes here illegally and works, anything that allows them to stay and work is amnesty. The Orwellian double speak doesn't register with anyone but those supporting cheap illegal labor.

Our current immigration laws are fair and just. Coming here illegally is a fine, jail, and deportation. The US has not fined or given jail time in years, and our laws are more humane than any other industrialized country. When did we lose the right to deport those who come here illegally?

As far as breaking up families, when people come here illegally, they know they can be deported for breaking the law. Each generation that comes here has to decide whether they will come and break up their extended family, or remain and keep it together. Those here illegally made the decision to take the chance of having their family split up when they chose the illegal path and not the legal one.

Have we given up on employing the 10%? out of work? Alabama's law has proven that immigration enforcement returns Americans to work.

RichardB
Murray, UT

Bachmann pointed out a "2004 letter to the Wall Street Journal in which Gingrich endorsed "paths to permanent residence to enable more workers to stay, assimilate, and become part of America."

It's more workers.

patriotandmore
Spanish Fork, UT

Same old message.....Yawn!

BobKjar
Humble, TX

While the hardliners in the Republican party may not agree with this, I think the majority of Americans are in accord. I am a hardline conservative Republican from Texas and fully support what Perry and Newt are doing to bring common sense to the immigration issue.

Paul Scholes
Provo, UT

This is an editorial that is right on. We need to get away from the knee-jerk reactions that usually characterize this debate and recognize its complexity. There are people who have lost jobs, even though they are low paying jobs, to illegal immigrants. On the other hand, there are industries here at home that would fall to foreign competition if it were not for the illegal immigrants working here in the U.S. Immigration can make this country stronger but we need to deal with the very real issues it brings in an intelligent and human way if we are to realize those gains. I hope we can elevate the debate beyond the entrenched bickering between the federal and state governments and the partisan politics of individuals who refuse to see multiple sides of a complex issue.

Mike B
TUCSON, AZ

Great moral courage Newt! You now have my vote. Has anyone ever considered the economic impact of removing almost 12 million people from this country. It would be a disaster to take 12 mission consumers out of the market place. It would be a disaster to have 6 million new housing vacancies. Crops rotting in the field like we just had in Alabama would happen nationwide and food prices would go through the roof. These people have been woven into the fabric of our society and like it or not, we should carefully consider how mass deportations would damage this country and our economy.

We used to own a business in the Hispanic area of Tucson, AZ. The day after the first anti-immigration prop. passed, our business fell off a cliff. All of the businesses in the area experienced the same disaster and almost half of them, including ours are now closed. Our recession started the day the first Arizona anti-immigration law was passed.

danaslc
Kearns, UT

We are forgetting the Humane treatment of the US Citizen. Teenagers and college students have lost jobs due to illegal immigrants and wages are depressed. The American man has lost there trade jobs due to illegal immigrants and wages are depressed. This article is siding with the business man who is looking for cheap labor at the expense of the American worker and middle class citizen.
Illegal Immigration is responsible for the collapse of middle class America along with the practice of shipping jobs to other countries.
Illegal Immigrants along with their children need to be deported back to Mexico that has a 4 percent unemployment rate due to jobs being shipped there.
The middle class taxpayer needs the expense of illegal immigration taken off of there backs and they need jobs with wages that fit with inflationary times.
Jails need to be empty of illegal immigrants who commit crimes, another thing that causes high taxes.
Drugs need to be stopped at the border and not allowed to walk in to be sold. Cartels are terrorists and they are here among us. Humane treatment for Americans is what we need now.

K
Mchenry, IL

And they joined the service to get to stay in the country themselves. How many people should ride those coattails?

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

In the 80's I supported amnestry but I feel that it didn't work. I am all for law and order, but I got this deep down feeling, (I don't care what the ACLU thinks) it is my conscience and it says that the scriptures teach that we need to be kind to strangers.

But, I am sure in favor of putting up a fence and having border enforcement.

Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people.

Do you remember when you had to wait in line to buy tickets to a movie, and then wait in line before going in? If you came to the theater and the show was full, you could buy a ticket to a later show. That was before you could order them at home, and know then where your seat was and what time to come to the theater.

You can't let everyone show up for the same movie or there would be no place to sit, and you do need some reasonable security and rules.

Why do we make immigration more complicated?

We have a new law. Lets use it. The sponsoring principle of 2011 HB 469 provides a limiting factor of how fast immigrants can come, makes sure they do not place a larger burden than we can handle, and is more like co-signing a friends car loan.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

This editorial makes the flawed assumption that sending someone home is somehow inhumane. It is not. Most often that "home" is Mexico. Is Mexico listed as a refugee nation? No. Do we send missionaries to Mexico? All the time.
To put a finer point on it, most of the illegal aliens from Mexico come from well within the interior in Guanajuato, Jalisco, Michoacán, San Luis Potosí, and Zacatecas. That's far from the border violence.
So sending them home is not bad at all.
And the policy Newt Gingrich and the Church seem to endorse is a slap in the face to our minority citizens who are out of work as well as those waiting to immigrate legally.
Then you must deal with the concept of rewarding bad behavior; never a good idea.
Lastly, what message are we sending to the 165 million third world inhabitants that Gallup (2009) tells us want to live in the United States?
If this concept were viable, the 245i program would have been a success. It wasn't.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Remember the old soft shoe? Well here it is again. Give the lawless legality? And then down the road after a few years of the old soft shoe the then legals will want citizenship and Politicians who see a gain for themselves will be selling citizenship instead of just legality. Giving the lawbreakers legality? Who will still pay for the costs of having them here? Not the employers who benefit from their cheap labor, but the taxpayers. And don't tell me then they will be paying taxes because the cheap labor will allow them tax credits!If they are not working at cheap labor they will be competeing with citizens for better paying jobs ie construction,manufacturing etc. This is a scam where business, churches, and politicians benefit. Bonafide citizens lose again!

Doug10
Roosevelt, UT

What is the statue of limitations on border hopping?

Trooper55
Williams, AZ

I believe that we do need to secure our borders, but at the same time we don't need to be rewarding the law breakers, if you are here ilegally they should be deported and made to enter this country the legal way. When you marry someone and you know they aren't legal here, then you too are breaking our laws and should be accountable for all the actions that are there. I am not against breaking up families,but lets get real about the ilegalls and say enough is enough. Most do put a strain on the system and it's already costing alot of taxpayers money, and I aam getting tried of my tax dollars going to support them. Money that is made in the U.S.is being sent out to support their famlies in other countries and they should have to pay an added fee for that.

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