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Published: Friday, Nov. 25 2011 12:00 a.m. MST

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Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Evangelical Christians may continue to have their prejudices about Romney's religion, but that is not sufficient to explain his failure to rise above 21-26% approval rating in the polls. Indepedent voters are not concerned about Romney's religion and evangelical Christians are only a force in Republican primaries.

The big knock on Romney is his "convenient" flip-flop on critical issues. Valuse he once held as valid have been "adjusted" to appeal to the Tea Party world. Although he is trying desparately to maintain some integrity with regard to a general election, he has succumbed to the conservative technique of doing whatever is necessary to win.

His recent ad criticising Barack Obama regarding the economy was a blatant excercise of cut-and-paste editing to make a point completely in conflict with the realitiy of the situation. This is a very sad state of affairs when the issues are downplayed to useless sound bites and disinformation. The old Republican Party of ideas and presenting an alternative approach to government has given way to expediency and a mud fight to gain power and wealth. The Party of Nixon and Eisenhower has vanished. George Romney would not know his Party today.

ECR
Burke, VA

"I am not convinced that Mormon theology deserves to be classified as Christian .... I have serious disagreements with my Mormon friends about ... issues regarding the nature of God, the doctrine of the Trinity..."

From the website 'ReligionFacts' we find this explanation:

"The word "Trinity" is not found in the New Testament, nor is the doctrine explicitly taught there.

"Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. However, the clearest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century."

And further 'ReligionFacts' states

"...the Trinity was unheard of until the Emperor Constantine enforced the foreign idea of Christ's divinity on Christendom."

So the term "Trinity" was NOT taught in the Bible, was introduced by a writer whose writings are not included in the Bible and was essentially forced on Chrstendom by a Pagan emporer.

So who, exactly, belongs to a cult?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What are his values and issues? They completely change depending on the flavor of the week! With who he's talking to.

I think if Evangelicals based their opinions of Romney on what he stands for, they'll like him even less.

Just another flip floppin big business politician who changes what he says depending on who he's talking to in order to become elected. Pathetic

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The problem with Romney isn't getting the radical right wing vote....

The real problem with Romney is getting everyone else's.

No one, other than Mormons, like the guy.

They see him as flip flopping, spoiled son of a rich man, and now negative campaigner who will do ANYTHING to be loved and become elected.

To the rest of America, that's pretty darn scary.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Governor Romney has always been a strong principled person. He has not been our proselytizing in his public appearances and debates. The pro-Obama media and the Obama campaign know who the strong candidate is and have been instrumental in putting out their anti-Romney influence. Romney has plenty of support away from the Mormon area and as a person living in Utah the media and a lot of Mormon don't support him. This article for the Los Angeles newspaper is a pretty good article but the evangelicals have historically against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I grew up in Washington state in a Christian Cooperative community and when we were building our brick chapel, someone poured gas all around the building and burned the building. There was not a real investigation and there was never any real hunt for this individual(s). We built the chapel again and the church is still there. Even with Jesus Christ in the name of the Church people such as Governor/Reverend Huckabee put out plenty of anti-Christian sentiment against the Church of Jesus Christ in the last election process even though Romney said economy was principle concern

one old man
Ogden, UT

I will not vote for any candidate whose values and stand on issues changes five times a day depending upon which direction the dollars are blowing.

Furry1993
Clearfield, UT

JWB, at 8:43 a.m., says that Governor Romney has always been a strong principled person. In a way I guess that's true. BUT the "principle" Romney has always followed is to say or do whathever is necessary to get support, votes and/or money at any given time. It doesn't matter that the position he is taking at a given moment is diametrically opposite to a position he might have taken a short time sooner -- if the new position gets him power, votes and/or money, he will espouse it (and go back to the original position of THAT position will give min support, votes and/or money). He has shown that he cannot be trusted.

My family and I are devout, observant Latter-day Saints. We don't care what religion a candidate may follow; we base our decisions on what the person stands for and how s/he acts. None of us support Romney, because he cannot be trusted. We talked about this at Thanksgiving dinner, and found that ALL of us independently reached the same judgment -- the ONLY decent, principled candidate, is Jon Huntsman. If he isn't nominated, our border collie (or cat) gets our votes.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

@Furry1993

I am not trying to persuade you to vote for anyone. I am just clarifying that people are out there to mislead people and it is your choice. If groups and organizations mislead people about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then even if you vote for another person, you need to clarify your convictions. The Church does not require us to vote for any specific individual and we have agency to choose which candidate you want.

Bebyebe
UUU, UT

Read the responses above. The first reason most people won't vote for him is his flip-flopping on major issues.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

The buzz on the conservative radio talk show's today was that Obama did not use the G-word on TV when President Obama Pardons Turkey, now what?. They go onto say, "socialism" and God don't mix and that's why he did that. Obama Turkey Pardon: "It Feels Pretty Good to Stop at Least One Shellacking this November." Obama jokingly called the turkey pardon "one of the most important duties that I carry out as president." He discussed the process for selecting the turkeys earning a presidential pardon, which involves contestants "strutting their stuff" before judges as music plays. "It's kind of like a turkey version of 'Dancing With the Stars,' except the stakes for the contestants was much higher," said the president."Only one pair would survive and win the big prize: life." No, this isn't a metaphor for the GOP candidates. Obama saved turkeys Peace and Liberty from a certain death at the annual White House Thanksgiving pardon without Congress's approval, of course. To tell the truth here, (because conservatives lie alot), "GOD" and "JESUS CHRIST" are true socialist's, they both give and gave, conservatives hoard only, they are the I, me and my generation.

My truthful views.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

Being a mayor, of course, is not the same as being President of the USA, although that comparison is suggested in this piece. The President has great national and international powers, especially when war is declared - or not as the case may be, when he is commander-in-chief. A mayor does not need a profound knowledge of foreign affairs as our presidents should have, even though they usually don't seem to.

A Catholic, like Gingrich and Santorum, may regard the Moslem world in their historic way of constant crusades against an alien and powerful competing religion. Yet Romney, a Latter-Day Saint, has the same intransigence and so do a great many Americans of various religions.

If only Mitt saw the world in an "LDS" way, like a missionary who loves all mankind and holds the anti-war sentiments of LDS prophets, who always held war to be murder on a massive scale.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The most dangerous cult that Romney belongs to the the cult of business.

From the infamous quote Corporations are People on, every thing he says and does is the straight agenda of the business community to subvert and oppress working people. Especially that part of government that protects and provides for the welfare of people.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I find it funny that the pro-Romney crowd talks about how religion shouldn't be a part of the election process. Yet they conveniently "forget" that many of the Romney crowd support him merely because he's Mormon.

In the end, it all evens out.

The truth is, Romney isn't very popular at all. Not because of religion, but because he has no values or firm positions on the issues.

What does he stand for?

Who knows?! It all depends on which crowd he's speaking to.

And unfortunately, for repubs, that's just not attractive to real Patriotic Americans who put country ahead of religion.

Thoughtful Voter
Spanish Fork, UT

Although I appreciate this article and the thoughtfulness and sentiments of the writer, I wish that Mormons would take the same advice: just Romney on his values and the issues -- not on the simple fact that he attends their Church.

I like Romney as a person and it seems he's been an active member of my LDS faith -- trying to do his best in living the Gospel of Jesus Christ like the rest of us.

Unfortunately, on the issues I strongly oppose his election. First and foremost he doesn't seem to understand that we are all children of God. All of us. In every nation. Even those innocent "collateral damage" citizens that our drone strikes and bombs and "precision attacks" gone awry kill every week due to our completely misbegotten foreign policy.

I don't share those particular values with him, but I don't expect anybody to be perfect. I truly admire many many other things about him. I hope and pray every day that he will investigate our foreign policy in more detail -- like his father finally did during his own Presidential run. But in the meantime I also pray we elect somebody else President who has done that.

RAB
Bountiful, UT

I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at all. Every poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top 3 among Republican voters. That cannot be explained away as mere "Mormon support". Numerous public figures have already publicly put their support behind him.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

RAB: "I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at all. Every poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top 3 among Republican voters."

According to the most recent Gallup poll Romney would get 20% of the national vote, vs. "some other Republican" getting more than 30% of the national vote.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Flip-flop is a convenient term for the political environment in any time as there are at least 1,000 decisions a day that any elected or executive official has to make that may have been different than the day before. Basic principles are what you have to watch for flip-flop and that is what Integrity and Honesty takes care of that process. You can see that in the individual's actions and process. Voters don't have to listen to the term flip-flop except that the opponent is trying to confuse the public. Honesty and Integrity don't change and a person with those characteristics become even more solid in their convictions. Agencies, executives, elected officials have to make important decisions every day. Courts help guide government, public and private individuals along the route of the compass and governments make their changes to conform with the justices.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

Then you deserve Mr. Obama and Rev. Wright.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I judge romney, and anyone else who thinks their religion needs to be a part of politics, on their values. Because they don't value my personal freedom. I'm not voting for preacher in chief, and my relationship with god is personal and that's what I expect from my politicians.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

You know it's bad enough that Mitt Romney admitted in an interview, "I tasted a beer and tried a cigarette once as a wayward teenager and never did it again. This has the makings of the lamest "Behind the Music" special yet, but not once thanked God. Did that cause a stir on Twitter among Democrats and those evangelicals?. Now for the double standard. On the other hand, President Obama gave his weekly radio address, one devoted to Thanksgiving, by praising U.S. service members and volunteers at shelters and soup kitchens. The president outlined the many ways that Americans were coming together and the various things he was thankful for, but not once thanked God. And that caused a stir on Twitter among conservatives. Most all voters are convinced that if Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination, we run the risk of ending up with a member of a "cult" in the White House. Plus the only ones that are soft on this RINO is most members of Romney's church, the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All other's can think for themself.


I told you I would tell you the truth.

My views.

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