Richard J. Mouw: Evangelicals should judge Romney on his values and the issues


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  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Nov. 27, 2011 5:27 p.m.

    Romney has been a dissapointment in the honesty dpartment so far. Claiming that Obama crashed the economy, claiming that Obama went on an apology tour (straight from limbaugh BTW) and doing 180's on health care and climate change without concrete reasons are all points that make Romey a smuck.

    It's too bad really, he was taught better. Hutsman seems much more sincere.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    Romney had line item veto power as governor of Massachusetts and he used it often. In fact he used it to strike out a provision of the "Romneycare" Bill that he did not agree with. However he chose not to use it to disallow the provision contained in that same bill allowing state-funded abortions in Massachusetts. I think every educated Christian conservative should ask themselves why before voting for Romney.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    They look at Utah and see he won almost 90% of the primary vote in Utah last time, then they ignore Utah because they think they're only voting for him because he's Mormon. Basically they consider Utah to be like DC (that voted almost 90% for Obama); they think both are full of people who just vote based on race or religion rather than the issues.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 11:23 a.m.

    The word "Cult" is short for "Culture". By this definition, every religion would fit this. And people get a negative image when they hear the word "cult". So, while I agree that Mormonism is a unique "Culture", it does not fit the negative impression of "Cult". However, I do agree with some of the writers here that Romney is a "flip flopper" and that is why I don't think he will make it to President.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 26, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    "In a debate in Orlando on Sept. 22, 2011, Mitt Romney charged that President Obama has gone around the world apologizing for America.  The former governor of Massachusetts, has made this charge several times. The first time we checked it was when he made the charge is his own book, No Apology: The Case for American Greatness. Some of the Obama speeches that Romney cited in his book certainly laid out Obamas foreign policy ideas, and it seems fair to say that a less confrontational approach was among Obamas goals. Obama had made no secret during the campaign that he intended to set a different course on foreign policy than Bush -- a committed unilateralist -- had pursued.

    Theres a clear difference between changing policies and apologizing, and Obama didnt do the latter. So we rate Romneys statement Pants on Fire."

    I can't vote for today's ultra Conservative, disastrous economic policies promoted by Republicans.

    "After the Republican presidential debate Thursday night, a senior adviser to Mitt Romney acknowledged that a line about spreading health care reform throughout the country was changed in the paperback version of Romneys book No Apology.
    (abc news)

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    You obviously haven't read the book. Are you open minded enough to give it a try or content to accept your own assumptions?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    I've worked for two companies purchased by Bain Capital when Romney was there.

    Both were split up and sold for parts. Both had large numbers of staff fired "for the corporate good".

    Sorry. I will not vote for a man who values money over people.


  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 26, 2011 10:30 a.m.

    Perhaps UT Conservatives can overlook the fact that Romneycare provides state funding for abortions but that doesn't mean all Conservatives can/will.

    Would that book be the one where he falsely claims Obama went around the world apologizing?

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    @Blue "According to the most recent Gallup poll Romney would get 20% of the national vote, vs. "some other Republican" getting more than 30% of the national vote."

    That is a misleading poll. It is like asking people "would you vote for this person or someone better?" Most conservatives obviously do not see Romney as their ideal candidate. But that does not mean they do not see him as the best candidate available. The ideal candidate probably does not exist.

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 9:43 a.m.

    It amuses me that the people of America wouldn't look at Utah, clearly the "reddest" state in the union, and conclude Utah's overwhelming support of Mitt Romney must indicate he meets their rigid standard for a conservative.

  • Mc West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    With attacks from both the right and the left it is amazing that Romney has been able to maintain his top tier status in the polls. He has steady support from those who have taken the time to know him by reading his book and checking out his website rather than believing what others say about him.

    Google whyromney for a site that addresses the so-called flip-flops that everyone keeps harping on. Are you openminded enough to actually read something that could change your mind about Romney? Or are you so set against him that you won't go there?

    Nov. 26, 2011 7:14 a.m.

    Man, the dems are out in full force!
    Try and listen to the interview with Hannity - it was great and he covered all bases. He gets 25-29% with 7-8 others in the race. So is it too hard to figure out that it divides the percentages?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Nov. 25, 2011 10:39 p.m.

    Judge Romney on his values and the issues?

    Well, there lies the challenge.
    The issues: What year, what issue, what week, what audience?
    Values: like putting out campaign ads that deliberately lie? Ends justify the means?

    No thanks.

    No thanks to the 1%er pretending to be the 99%er.
    Romney: "The tax payers shouldn't have to have money taken out of their pay checks to pay people in government who are our servants who are making a lot more money than WE are."

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 6:12 p.m.

    Romney's real problem is not religion. It is he ignores conservatives and takesthem for granted..

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Nov. 25, 2011 6:05 p.m.

    You know it's bad enough that Mitt Romney admitted in an interview, "I tasted a beer and tried a cigarette once as a wayward teenager and never did it again. This has the makings of the lamest "Behind the Music" special yet, but not once thanked God. Did that cause a stir on Twitter among Democrats and those evangelicals?. Now for the double standard. On the other hand, President Obama gave his weekly radio address, one devoted to Thanksgiving, by praising U.S. service members and volunteers at shelters and soup kitchens. The president outlined the many ways that Americans were coming together and the various things he was thankful for, but not once thanked God. And that caused a stir on Twitter among conservatives. Most all voters are convinced that if Mitt Romney wins the Republican nomination, we run the risk of ending up with a member of a "cult" in the White House. Plus the only ones that are soft on this RINO is most members of Romney's church, the Utah-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All other's can think for themself.

    I told you I would tell you the truth.

    My views.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    I judge romney, and anyone else who thinks their religion needs to be a part of politics, on their values. Because they don't value my personal freedom. I'm not voting for preacher in chief, and my relationship with god is personal and that's what I expect from my politicians.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 5:38 p.m.

    Then you deserve Mr. Obama and Rev. Wright.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 4:48 p.m.

    Flip-flop is a convenient term for the political environment in any time as there are at least 1,000 decisions a day that any elected or executive official has to make that may have been different than the day before. Basic principles are what you have to watch for flip-flop and that is what Integrity and Honesty takes care of that process. You can see that in the individual's actions and process. Voters don't have to listen to the term flip-flop except that the opponent is trying to confuse the public. Honesty and Integrity don't change and a person with those characteristics become even more solid in their convictions. Agencies, executives, elected officials have to make important decisions every day. Courts help guide government, public and private individuals along the route of the compass and governments make their changes to conform with the justices.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    RAB: "I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at all. Every poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top 3 among Republican voters."

    According to the most recent Gallup poll Romney would get 20% of the national vote, vs. "some other Republican" getting more than 30% of the national vote.

  • RAB Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 1:38 p.m.

    I have to laugh at all these claims that Romney is not popular at all. Every poll I've seen has him head to head with Obama and always in the top 3 among Republican voters. That cannot be explained away as mere "Mormon support". Numerous public figures have already publicly put their support behind him.

  • Thoughtful Voter Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Although I appreciate this article and the thoughtfulness and sentiments of the writer, I wish that Mormons would take the same advice: just Romney on his values and the issues -- not on the simple fact that he attends their Church.

    I like Romney as a person and it seems he's been an active member of my LDS faith -- trying to do his best in living the Gospel of Jesus Christ like the rest of us.

    Unfortunately, on the issues I strongly oppose his election. First and foremost he doesn't seem to understand that we are all children of God. All of us. In every nation. Even those innocent "collateral damage" citizens that our drone strikes and bombs and "precision attacks" gone awry kill every week due to our completely misbegotten foreign policy.

    I don't share those particular values with him, but I don't expect anybody to be perfect. I truly admire many many other things about him. I hope and pray every day that he will investigate our foreign policy in more detail -- like his father finally did during his own Presidential run. But in the meantime I also pray we elect somebody else President who has done that.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 11:25 a.m.

    I find it funny that the pro-Romney crowd talks about how religion shouldn't be a part of the election process. Yet they conveniently "forget" that many of the Romney crowd support him merely because he's Mormon.

    In the end, it all evens out.

    The truth is, Romney isn't very popular at all. Not because of religion, but because he has no values or firm positions on the issues.

    What does he stand for?

    Who knows?! It all depends on which crowd he's speaking to.

    And unfortunately, for repubs, that's just not attractive to real Patriotic Americans who put country ahead of religion.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 11:22 a.m.

    The most dangerous cult that Romney belongs to the the cult of business.

    From the infamous quote Corporations are People on, every thing he says and does is the straight agenda of the business community to subvert and oppress working people. Especially that part of government that protects and provides for the welfare of people.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 10:41 a.m.

    Being a mayor, of course, is not the same as being President of the USA, although that comparison is suggested in this piece. The President has great national and international powers, especially when war is declared - or not as the case may be, when he is commander-in-chief. A mayor does not need a profound knowledge of foreign affairs as our presidents should have, even though they usually don't seem to.

    A Catholic, like Gingrich and Santorum, may regard the Moslem world in their historic way of constant crusades against an alien and powerful competing religion. Yet Romney, a Latter-Day Saint, has the same intransigence and so do a great many Americans of various religions.

    If only Mitt saw the world in an "LDS" way, like a missionary who loves all mankind and holds the anti-war sentiments of LDS prophets, who always held war to be murder on a massive scale.

  • Brother Chuck Schroeder A Tropical Paradise USA, FL
    Nov. 25, 2011 10:38 a.m.

    The buzz on the conservative radio talk show's today was that Obama did not use the G-word on TV when President Obama Pardons Turkey, now what?. They go onto say, "socialism" and God don't mix and that's why he did that. Obama Turkey Pardon: "It Feels Pretty Good to Stop at Least One Shellacking this November." Obama jokingly called the turkey pardon "one of the most important duties that I carry out as president." He discussed the process for selecting the turkeys earning a presidential pardon, which involves contestants "strutting their stuff" before judges as music plays. "It's kind of like a turkey version of 'Dancing With the Stars,' except the stakes for the contestants was much higher," said the president."Only one pair would survive and win the big prize: life." No, this isn't a metaphor for the GOP candidates. Obama saved turkeys Peace and Liberty from a certain death at the annual White House Thanksgiving pardon without Congress's approval, of course. To tell the truth here, (because conservatives lie alot), "GOD" and "JESUS CHRIST" are true socialist's, they both give and gave, conservatives hoard only, they are the I, me and my generation.

    My truthful views.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 10:12 a.m.

    Read the responses above. The first reason most people won't vote for him is his flip-flopping on major issues.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 9:22 a.m.


    I am not trying to persuade you to vote for anyone. I am just clarifying that people are out there to mislead people and it is your choice. If groups and organizations mislead people about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, then even if you vote for another person, you need to clarify your convictions. The Church does not require us to vote for any specific individual and we have agency to choose which candidate you want.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 9:04 a.m.

    JWB, at 8:43 a.m., says that Governor Romney has always been a strong principled person. In a way I guess that's true. BUT the "principle" Romney has always followed is to say or do whathever is necessary to get support, votes and/or money at any given time. It doesn't matter that the position he is taking at a given moment is diametrically opposite to a position he might have taken a short time sooner -- if the new position gets him power, votes and/or money, he will espouse it (and go back to the original position of THAT position will give min support, votes and/or money). He has shown that he cannot be trusted.

    My family and I are devout, observant Latter-day Saints. We don't care what religion a candidate may follow; we base our decisions on what the person stands for and how s/he acts. None of us support Romney, because he cannot be trusted. We talked about this at Thanksgiving dinner, and found that ALL of us independently reached the same judgment -- the ONLY decent, principled candidate, is Jon Huntsman. If he isn't nominated, our border collie (or cat) gets our votes.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 8:50 a.m.

    I will not vote for any candidate whose values and stand on issues changes five times a day depending upon which direction the dollars are blowing.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    Governor Romney has always been a strong principled person. He has not been our proselytizing in his public appearances and debates. The pro-Obama media and the Obama campaign know who the strong candidate is and have been instrumental in putting out their anti-Romney influence. Romney has plenty of support away from the Mormon area and as a person living in Utah the media and a lot of Mormon don't support him. This article for the Los Angeles newspaper is a pretty good article but the evangelicals have historically against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I grew up in Washington state in a Christian Cooperative community and when we were building our brick chapel, someone poured gas all around the building and burned the building. There was not a real investigation and there was never any real hunt for this individual(s). We built the chapel again and the church is still there. Even with Jesus Christ in the name of the Church people such as Governor/Reverend Huckabee put out plenty of anti-Christian sentiment against the Church of Jesus Christ in the last election process even though Romney said economy was principle concern

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 8:01 a.m.

    The problem with Romney isn't getting the radical right wing vote....

    The real problem with Romney is getting everyone else's.

    No one, other than Mormons, like the guy.

    They see him as flip flopping, spoiled son of a rich man, and now negative campaigner who will do ANYTHING to be loved and become elected.

    To the rest of America, that's pretty darn scary.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    What are his values and issues? They completely change depending on the flavor of the week! With who he's talking to.

    I think if Evangelicals based their opinions of Romney on what he stands for, they'll like him even less.

    Just another flip floppin big business politician who changes what he says depending on who he's talking to in order to become elected. Pathetic

  • ECR Burke, VA
    Nov. 25, 2011 5:51 a.m.

    "I am not convinced that Mormon theology deserves to be classified as Christian .... I have serious disagreements with my Mormon friends about ... issues regarding the nature of God, the doctrine of the Trinity..."

    From the website 'ReligionFacts' we find this explanation:

    "The word "Trinity" is not found in the New Testament, nor is the doctrine explicitly taught there.

    "Hints of Trinitarian beliefs can also be seen in the teachings of extra-biblical writers as early as the end of the first century. However, the clearest early expression of the concept came with Tertullian, a Latin theologian who wrote in the early third century."

    And further 'ReligionFacts' states

    "...the Trinity was unheard of until the Emperor Constantine enforced the foreign idea of Christ's divinity on Christendom."

    So the term "Trinity" was NOT taught in the Bible, was introduced by a writer whose writings are not included in the Bible and was essentially forced on Chrstendom by a Pagan emporer.

    So who, exactly, belongs to a cult?

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    Nov. 25, 2011 12:26 a.m.

    Evangelical Christians may continue to have their prejudices about Romney's religion, but that is not sufficient to explain his failure to rise above 21-26% approval rating in the polls. Indepedent voters are not concerned about Romney's religion and evangelical Christians are only a force in Republican primaries.

    The big knock on Romney is his "convenient" flip-flop on critical issues. Valuse he once held as valid have been "adjusted" to appeal to the Tea Party world. Although he is trying desparately to maintain some integrity with regard to a general election, he has succumbed to the conservative technique of doing whatever is necessary to win.

    His recent ad criticising Barack Obama regarding the economy was a blatant excercise of cut-and-paste editing to make a point completely in conflict with the realitiy of the situation. This is a very sad state of affairs when the issues are downplayed to useless sound bites and disinformation. The old Republican Party of ideas and presenting an alternative approach to government has given way to expediency and a mud fight to gain power and wealth. The Party of Nixon and Eisenhower has vanished. George Romney would not know his Party today.