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Published: Thursday, Nov. 24 2011 5:00 a.m. MST

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freewill
duchesne, UT

he forgot to mention that people were starving to death because they couldnt keep the food they raised, it had to go into a community ;basket; sort of speak, then that year it ended and people could keep all they raised, there was such and abundence of food that they had a big feast,and that is where thanksgiving came from.

mominthetrenches
South Jordan, Utah

Thank you for running this article--I am printing if off and bringing it to share for our Thanksgiving dinner this afternoon!

Dennis
Harwich, MA

I'm not sure why any "God" would require imposed gratitude or worship. It's silly to me.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

Too many look upon the commandments of God as restrictions and as sort of obstacle course through which we must navigate for the amusement of some incomprehensible being.

Scientists are already beginning to understand the health benefits (both emotional and physical) of being thankful. God directs us, not to enslave us, but to save us from problems that we could otherwise avoid.

How much better would society be if people respected God and thus followed his counsel. If youth then respected their parents, if no one took what didn't belong to them, killed, lied, cheated on their spouses, rested at least one day of the week and focused on gratitude instead of bitterness, and of course, the list goes on.

I am truly thankful to God, and not because I am forced to be so.

Gracie
Boise, ID

We're studying Revelation in Sunday School this month. This morning while reading I was struck with the realization that, in spite of the goodness of most of the cited churches for which John was to write, they still had serious sins needing repentance. The leaders of each of the churches were then, as they are today, held to a very high standard in order for the members to be able to function within them in entirely appropriate ways. Mostly good wasn't good enough. Now, after all, is our time to learn as much as we can about how to live in worlds of perfection beyond this life, to come to desire Ultimate Love and all its requirements and blessings through purging ourselves of anything less. It's not "silly" to learn gratitude. God doesn't become less of Himself if we don't make the grade. His love is known to those who follow Him, who come to recognize they cannot bear even imagining eternal life in any other manner than His own because it equals Divine Happiness. We have earthly parallels as to how true gratitude, or lack the of it, feels. Why choose the latter on purpose, or by default?

Kevin
Surrey, BC

to: Dennis | 9:02 a.m. Nov. 24, 2011

God only wants for us to be perfect like He is. Gratitude is a form of humility. We worship God because he created us and loves us perfectly. He has set the plan of salvation for all to follow if they choose. We cannot change the requirements to get into Heaven and rightly so. Having faith is a perfect and living God will help to increase our gratitude for everything he has done and continues to do for us. How blessed we are to have be loved so much.

Jere D
Salt Lake City, UT

Wonderful piece. A reminder of Him, to whom we owe our thanks, and the purpose of Thanksgiving.

S.Andrew Zaelit
Deseret, UT

I can't imagine God being happy about His children ignoring Him as they count their blessings. May He keep and bless us all as we take full measure of our lives. May He grant us strength to overcome, and the compassion to become better fathers, mothers, husbands, sons, and daughters.

Nan BW
ELder, CO

This is a great article, and there are many benefits for gratitude. A grateful heart is a generous heart. Gratitude is a sign of a noble soul, and more. I'm grateful for many blessings, and for wonderful examples in ancestors and their connections who contributed to our settlement of this land, and have seen our nation through many perilous times. President Lincoln and my (Two) great-grandfather were second cousins, both of whom endured unimaginable trials during the War Between the States, just as there have been many other tough times in history. I'm thankful we still have a nation.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

The article draws some odd inferences from Lincoln's statement. First, Lincoln never referred in the statement to God as a "Person." Second, Lincoln never referred in the statement to God as an "authority." It seems the author of this article is working hard to twist Lincoln's words to fit his own concepts of God. I've never read anything by or about Lincoln where he referred to God as a Person.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

A perfect being would have no desire to be worshipped. To desire or request worship of oneself is a sign of an out of control ego, not a perfect being. Most of us, as very imperfect beings, understand and know that we don't expect or look for some gratitude or expression of thanks when we give something or do something for someone; we simply do it to bring joy or fulfillment to another's life. I can't imagine God, in whatever form it may take, operating at a lower level than many people on earth operate today. Just an opinion.

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

Dennis,

When you were a child, did your parents teach you to say "thank you" after someone did something nice for you?

Being thankful in many ways translates into actions. Many people take and never want to give themselves. I have experienced in my line of work that I have helped others and all too often I find that they are unwilling to help themselves. In many cases refusing to help others even more needy. I've heard things like "I've got too much on my plate" when at the time I helped them, I had so much more on my own. That attitude is more than a mentality, it is something that affects our lives and that of those around us.

God 'commanding' isn't some kind of ruthless dictatorship, but a proclamation of what is morally right. He commands us to be kind to each other. Is that not conducive of goodness in any system of morality? Commanding that thankfulness is good and upright, that we should praise him is something I agree with. My praising Him isn't blind worship. It's an act of love and devotion to those who've given me so much. Selflessness and charity aren't imposing.

The Atheist
Provo, UT

Lincoln certainly used the language of his day, including metaphors and abstract idioms in which resided the trappings of theistic superstitions chared by the common folk. To turn Lincoln's metaphors and idioms into an endorsement of religion is irresponsible and antithetical to scholarship.

Having said that, there is no doubt gratitude is a significant and essential emotion and healthy state of mind for the human soul.

As such, I take this opportunity to express my gratitude to my Creators: my mother and father, who gave me life.

I express my gratitude to my "Saviors": the physicians and staff who ministered to me to save me from a dire illness as a youth.

I express my thanks also to those sources of Providence: the bounty my family and I enjoy because of those who have gone before and built the institutions that provide the prosperous way of life we enjoy in America. And this thanks extends to those who, as heroic members of our military, put their lives in jeopardy in order to protect our way of life from enemies, both foreign and domestic.

[and no god required]

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Great article for believers. Still belongs on the opinion page, as it is only an opinion and is stated as such, and a God can neither be proven nor disproven. But yet again, the Des News feels the need to put religion in the headlines.

garybeac
Chapel Hill, NC

What an honor and privilege it is to be able to tithe to Heavenly Father! I look back on my life and try to measure my accomplishments against what I could have done and should have done, and of all the things I've worked and prayed to accomplish, nothing is so impressive or valuable to me than my part in building up the Kingdom of Heaven in this simple way. I have not always paid a full tithe, and when I have, I have not always been grateful for the blessing it is, so I would never look down on a brother or sister who is struggling with tithes. I can only say that, now that I'm getting older, I am so very proud to have been a part of Christ's work. It is a store of joy from which I can draw when the winter winds begin to blow. We thank thee!

A voice of Reason
Salt Lake City, UT

The Atheist,

You shouldn't confuse the intent or function of this article with your own belief that deity is a fictional creation.

Aristotle said that "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

I would also argue that someone seeking to be a more virtuous person, to learn, to better themselves, etc. independent of any specific moral system- would not only understand this point Aristotle made, but would strive to entertain the ideas of others continually for their own self-understanding (as Socrates so well taught) and improvement. With this, I argue that peaceful discourse requires that we accept our lack of omniscience and acknowledge that others know, have reasoned, or think of their own accord. That contending with other beliefs, while remaining non-omniscient, is inevitably the futile and hostile choice.

If you want to pick a fight with those who belief differently, have observed different experiences than yourself, etc. I normally would argue against this.

But today, I argue that such criticism is only self-serving and in no way honors the virtue of Thanksgiving.

By all means, this article was more scholarly than your unfriendly comment.

ThinksIThink
SEATTLE, WA

One way to entertain a thought without accepting it is . . . to not accept it - to entertain the contrary thought. That can actually illuminate the original thought. So, the thought that disagrees with (or picks a fight with) a different thought, is simply another thought to entertain. I found The Athiests post to be a positive, good post. He or she sounds like a good Person. I guess the question is, can you entertain his thoughts? Can you entertain the notion that your ideas about God might be wrong . . . seriously entertain - with your mind fully engaged and open?

The Atheist
Provo, UT

How a supposedly "reasonable" person misconstrued my comment to be "unfriendly" would baffle even the great Aristotle, whose philosophicl systems societies have moved beyond some time ago. Perhaps the self-proclaimed "reasonable" one did not get the memo?

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

To ThinkIthink: We read that God created everything including us. I wonder where these men that invented the atom, the light bulb, gun powder or anything else that we hold dear got the inspiration from. I often wonder how any one can look out of their window and see the beauty of the earth and not know where this world was created. I give thanks for the Lord each time because I KNOW that it comes from a gracious and kind Heavenly Father. I know because it has been given to me. Yes, as I have said before there are no atheist in a foxhole.

Full-on double rainbow
Bluffdale, UT

Oh how humble! And rightous! And indignant! Without realizing it cuts both ways:)

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