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  • scott gavenman SANDY, UT
    Nov. 26, 2011 3:06 p.m.

    no need to join, we have all the money we need. I love the schedule we play and when we get rid of the hard games, we will go 12-0 and win the national championship. Big east can't say that.

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 11:48 a.m.

    Idablu, it isn't about the Idaho State game that was broadcast over the free airwaves. It's about the ESPN deal that pays BYU for the rights to all of the other contracted games that ESPN shows on its networks. Big East wanted all or some substantial part of that income to be divided with the other teams in their conference, and BYU didn't feel that they wanted to share that money with the strangers from the Big East. It would have been a trade-off between the money BYU would give up in return for league games and perhaps a championship game in November. BYU made the best choice for the long-term, I think, but frustrating for the short term.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Nov. 24, 2011 10:35 a.m.

    It seems like BYU's legal representation is giving BYU a black eye. Maybe we are getting poor counsel from our lawyers. I have a couple of questions that maybe some of you can answer:

    Why haven't BYU officials made a public statement on their perspective on why the negotiations went south?

    Also I don't quite understand on why BYU is so inflexible on their home game television rights. With exception to the ISU game, BYU TV didn't broadcast any of their home games. Is having another major network besides ESPN broadcast their home games such a huge drop-off in exposure?

    I'm not too upset with not joining the Big East, but if this was the sticking point with the Big 12, then I am very frustrated. I still contend we get better exposure, better recruiting, better competition, better motivation for our players, and at least as much money by joining a BCS conference.

    I think BYU officials owe us an honest explanation.

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 9:40 a.m.

    Several comments complained that BYU's decision reflects that BYU is all about money, like that is unique in college football. What a joke. Everything in college football is about money. The BCS is all about the money. Utah started the MWC disintegration by choosing to go to the PAC 12 for the money. Nebraska jumped to the Big Ten for the money. Texas stayed in the Big 12 because of the money from its private TV deal. Penn State didn't tell the police about the campus child-molester because of the money. Notre Dame is an independent because of the money. The Big East turned down BYU's position because of the money. And BYU decided to stay independent because of the money. Get real everyone.

  • Goldminer Salem, ut
    Nov. 24, 2011 9:38 a.m.

    Well, "Liberaldrew" I think is correct. While I wish everyone would want BYU to play their school and then join the Church, that is NOT going to happen. It seems at times that elements of the leadership take the position that they should be accepted because of who we are. That doesn't work in the real world either. And, of course, with the secrecy around all negotiations, we'll never really know what happened and will be told what some want us to hear. So, on to late night games and, with luck, we'll be playing at mid-night so all the people in Australia can see it...right? :( Give me a break!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Geewiz, DNews liberal types on staff today.

    Will this work now, they are direct quotes...

    sammyg says...

    "Independence will be just fine and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to really get pumped for."

    Tommyhawk Red says in reply...

    "... Such incredible snobbery coming from a few select BYU homers...

    As a Ute fan, and BCS card holder, I can say that YOU PEOPLE have absolutely, positively NO idea what you're missing out on" (caps added for entertainment emphasis)

    I'm still on the floor laughing!

    Happy Thanksgiving to everyone from 'you people' to 'them people'

  • T.S.Zarathrustra Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 8:30 a.m.

    Everyone is happy, happy, happy, but I'm a little confused about why the A.D. and Coach were saying they were in favor of joining the Big Least just days ago? Maybe they didn't have the happy memo yet.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Nov. 24, 2011 8:20 a.m.

    The 'Big East'?

    After looking at the list of schools in the Big East it's more like the 'Big Who The Heck Are Most of These Schools?' conference.

    BYU made the wisest choice here, let the pundits and critics say what they will...

    GO COUGARS!

  • ChiefSportsFan Denver, CO
    Nov. 24, 2011 6:33 a.m.

    So many more comments and even less displays of intelligence.

    BYU is not just another school. They definitely listen to a different voice; the pathetic whining of so-called fans and trolls notwithstanding.

    I am very happy BYU is staying right where it is and very comfortable with the process that got them there. I like their visibility and especially their leadership.

    Their current access and visibility is great!

  • Somecommonsenseplease LOGAN, UT
    Nov. 24, 2011 12:55 a.m.

    Didn't Dick Harmon guarantee us that they would be joining the Big 12?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:37 p.m.

    @tomahawk red

    "as a...bcs cardholder"

    Bwaaaahaaahaaaaaaaaaa......

    Yea you are a bcs cardholder. LOL!

    Your decision to be a "fan" of the university of utah somehow makes you integral to all of it.

    Bwaaahaaaaaahhaaaaaaa.....

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:29 p.m.

    I bet that there was one united sigh of relief when it was announced that BYU was passing on their last opportunity to join an AQ Conference...

    While we BYU fans were sitting there scratching our coolective heads, yelling at the Newscaster on the TV screen, and angerly suppressing our opinions about the Incompetencies of the BYU Decision Makers/ Negotiators, there had to be one heck of a party in the towns of Moscow, ID; Pocatelo, ID; San Jose, CA; Ogden, UT; and Las Cruses, NM as that means their hometown schools will be able to continue to monopolize BYU's late October and November Schedules.

    This is a very sad time in the History of BYU Sports.... Yesterday we learned that we are terminal as far as competitive college sports go and that our player recruiting and fan interest will begin to suffer going forward.... The Glory Years under Lavell Edwards and Stan Watts and Dave Rose will be gone forever.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:40 p.m.

    FootballFanatic said:

    ".....I'd much rather see BYU on ESPN playing a weak WAC team as opposed to having to playing a weak MWC or Pac-12 team and watch them on the Mountain or KJZZ."

    Are you a Chicago Cubs fan?
    They have settled for 2nd best or less for decades. Just like BYU!

  • River Master Lehi, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    There gos BYU's relevance. Might as well start watching Boise cause I can't stand Utah.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:10 p.m.

    sammyg | 7:25 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Springville, UT

    Independence will be just fine and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to really get pumped for.

    -----------

    As opposed to, say, getting pumped for EVERY season? New idea, I know... but don't you think that could be a wee bit better?

    Such incredible snobbery coming from a few select BYU homers. Yeah, let's go with (A) getting pumped every 2-4 years instead of (B) getting pumped EVERY year.

    Watching Utah this year has been more satisfying than probably any other season I can think of... lumps and all. You just don't know how much more fulfilling it is to see Utah clash with big boy teams like USC, UCLA and ASU... every single week. A slate full of quality home games, and knowing the Rose Bowl is always a possibility at the end of the tunnel.

    As a Ute fan, and BCS card holder, I can say that you people have absolutely, positively NO idea what you're missing out on.

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:02 p.m.

    CaliforniaCougar | 7:14 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Lake Elsinore, CA
    Thank goodness!

    BYU is on national TV every week. No need to give that up just to get a conference trophy.

    Stay the course. Being independent is the best option right now.

    ---------------

    For sure. I mean, let's compare.

    A) San Jose State, Idaho State, NM State, Tulsa, Helicopter Bowl

    B) Louisville, West Virginia, Cincinnati, BCS Bowl

    The ignorance among BYU fans is so thick you could choke a buffalo with it.

    All you Y fans still trying to make yourselves believe that you didn't want to be a part of the BCS anyway.

    How ridiculous.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:15 p.m.

    Sammyg,

    I don't know one Utah fan who is threatened by 1984.

    I feel it's important to remember history, but the more you obsess about it, the more you will live in 1984.

    With the success of BYU basketball of late, should I bring up Utah's National Championship in 1946. Even the title game appearance in 1998, as much as I still feel proud about it, is not worth shoving in anyone's face. Nobody cares.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    you wrote "I love all of the utah "fans" pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans. Your obsession is showing."

    All you say? Do you honestly think all proclaimers of disgruntling are all trolls? For such a big BYU fan, do you know any?

    There are different opinions among BYU fans. Can't that be okay. Are these fans bad if they use their free speech to say something outside of your opinion. If so, it's the thinking that often prevails in the world.

    Narrow thinking would suggest if one disagrees with them then they are unpatriotic. If one disagrees then they are apostate. If one disagrees then they are inferior. I know you know this is not a good thing Duckhunter.

    We are all not defined, and should not be, by one party, one fandom, and one faith. If you are offended by this, maybe, just maybe, you are offended by yourself. Afraid to question anything BYU, lest you be cutoff from Cougar board.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:51 p.m.

    After declaring and feeling independence, why go back to what was?

  • Stackhouse paradise, nv
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:38 p.m.

    BYU doesnt need a conference unless all conferences end up prohibiting their teams from playing non-conference opponents after September. BYU had weak mainly WAC opponents late this year because they had such little time to flesh out their schedule. Only if 4 or 5 years from now they are still playing mainly the San Jose and New Mexico States of college football late in the season will there be a problem. I am sure Holmoe with the assistance of ESPN is working on getting tougher opponents for the upcoming future seasons years out from now.

  • statman9 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    I'm sick of hearing about BYU's schedule. People need to be patient, we are just starting independence, we will get the good teams, it will just take time, don't worry. Go independence, we don't need the big east.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:48 p.m.

    AZguy: Your post shows exactly why you cannot believe much of what you read in these articles, as most of it is speculation. I'm very sure that BYU would have indicated their desires right up front. I'm just as sure that the Big East thought they could persuade BYU to see it their way. Now that they are not able to do so, BYU becomes tha bad guy. It was reported that the Big East representatives, Boise State reps, Notre Dame reps, were all in Provo a few weeks ago trying to convince BYU to join the Big East. Since that has not happened, it is certain that BYU has not changed its stance from day one, but the others have not been able to convince BYU otherwise. So you tell me, why is BYU the bad guy? Because they didn't bow down to the Gig East and what they wanted? If that is the case, then I feel sorry for all of you who are denigrating BYU for holding to the decisions they made when they went indy. Please get over it, some of you BYU fans, and others. BYU is going to follow their own standards, not others'.

  • statman9 South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 3:47 p.m.

    BYU just saved some big bucks and now should stay focused on independence. The BCS as we know it now will be either gone or changed into a playoff type system. There will no longer be AQ conferences.

  • AZguy Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    I have mixed emotions about this one.
    1-It seems that BYU does not want more money for each game at the expense of less exposure. Having 11 of 12 games on ESPN and the other on your own networks is the exposure they were looking for when they became independent.
    2-I do wish the TV rights would have come up earlier in the negotiations. That is embarrassing for BYU and the Big East. If there are things you are not willing to give up, BYU should have made that known.
    3-I am not sure the BCS survives, but whatever happens will be similar and those from the Big 6 conferences will have the upper hand on access to it.
    4-I am not sure that the Big East and Big 12 survive as they are.
    5-The Big 12 would have been miseable for the other sports. Travel would have been killer.

    It is the TV deal or Sunday play that killed the Big 12 deal? I thought I read Sunday play was the big deal, but this sources from the Big East says differently.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:23 p.m.

    What if BYU loses by one point to Georgia Tech next year? Season's already over after the first game, nothing to play for but pride and a crappy bowl invite. How again is this better for BYU football than a conference championship run and potential BCS bowl invite?

    -A frustrated Cougar fan.

  • sly_spy Oceanside, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:02 p.m.

    From a long time die hard BYU fan and alum, it hurts to watch BYU fail to negotiate a deal and then destroy these potential relationships.

    Its now come out that BYU has been very unreasonable in the negotiation process to not only the Big East but also to the Big 12. They hold grudges against certain media outlets. I hope these reports are wrong. But my gut tells me theyre not. Where theres smoke theres usually fire.

    Even if they are wrong; in the business world, perception is reality.

    You cannot join a conference and expect to completely eliminate any risk. Its not going to happen! The other members will hate and resent you.

    I think that the higher risk is staying independent. What blue chip recruits will want to play against WAC teams with the hope to get to the Armed Forces, Emerald or Poinsettia Bowl every year?

    Realistically speaking we are not going to get a better TV deal than every other football program in America.

    Note to BYUBe humble or Be humbled!

  • Madden Herriman, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:57 p.m.

    Some interesting notes in the article. "Boise is the prize" - true, because their success in the rankings will be key to keeping the AQ status. BYU would help the cause there too, despite the lackluster past two years, they have been top 25 for half the decade. However, BYU brings more fans, seats, etc. to the table by far.

    And comments that Georgetown and Notre Dame are offended? What the heck do they care? This move has NOTHING to do with them, we aren't getting a basketball invite and the academic ties are clearly weak or the ACC and Big 12 wouldn't be pillaging so easily.

    Really all this article made me think was "too bad BYU blew the Big 12 shot."

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:26 p.m.

    @Duckhunter and sammyg.

    Duck, I don't know how many trolls are out there. They exist and always will. It's on both sides realtive to Utes and Cougars.

    My question is why care about them?

    The extreme comments aren't worth reverse communication. You have to many interesting thoughts to sidetrack yourself.

    Now sammyg. You missed my point. I am saying that (put simply) you worry about those that don't like or hate BYU when you come across as hating Utah to the extreme. Do you think all Utah fans are something negative? Do you beieve all that belong to some political party are something negative? The questions could go on. You seem like a guy who wants to label people.

    I know plenty of lifelong BYU fans who can't stand the small percentage of their brothers (fans) who justify all things BYU and hate all things Utah.

    Sam, you don't seem to dig my comments, but if you could heed one thing of advice from me, it would be to fear Max Hall not Yoda. Don't be a hater Sam.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:10 p.m.

    Alum91: I believe you have got it backwards. BYU is saying NO! The Big East came to BYU not the other way around. BYU needs to maintain its home game TV rights, or it will be in the same situation as it was in the MWC. Why are some of you people so upset with BYU for doing what they want to maintain the exposure to their fans around the world? If someone approached you with "I have a fantastic deal for you. Just give me the title to your house and you can have all of this money to spend and 5 vacation packages each year anywhere in the world." You say no! Then all of those who have signed away their homes and are members say "you are being unreasonable." I don't buy it. If you do not like that BYU is saying no to this deal, then just go away. It is none of your business. Any you fans who are threatening to not buy BYU tickets, great, that will be more tickets available for those us who would like to purchase a season ticket and none are available.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:09 p.m.

    BYU is going to find itself on the outside looking in ... one of the have not's. ESPN reported today that the reason BYU didn't get an invite from the BIG 12 was because of home TV rights. Excuse me??? Who cares about home TV rights when you are playing Idaho State, New Mex St, etc..???? Who is actually watching the games?? NOBODY!!! So BYU turns down the chance to be in the same conference as Texas and Oklahoma because they want to hang on the TV rights to such games as San Jose St and Idaho St???

    All I can say is wait 5 years and see where the Y ends up ... at the bottom of heap on the outside looking in at the rest of the super conferences... and at that point there won't be any body interested anymore.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:08 p.m.

    BYU's ego is astonishing. What they don't seem to understand is that TV rights are only valuable if people are actually watching and without an interesting schedule, nobody will be watching. BYU's days as a nationally significant football program have come to an end. Thank goodness we still have the reruns of the Lavelle days. They will become more valuable as the years go by.

  • FootballFanatic Kearns, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:43 p.m.

    Wow, "U Student Y Fan" is going way overboard. One article about BYU not joining the "new MWC" and all of the sudden it's the end of the world.

    I'm glad BYU officials are being hesitant so they don't end up in similar situations that they've been in before with past conferences. Plus, who can argue BYU playing on ESPN 9 times is a bad thing? Much better than last year and much better than appearing on KJZZ!

    I'd much rather see BYU on ESPN playing a weak WAC team as opposed to having to playing a weak MWC or Pac-12 team and watch them on the Mountain or KJZZ.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:36 p.m.

    Riverton Kewgar,

    BYU can make demands like that, but the big conferences like the Big 12 and Big East just reject them, and dont listen to you. That is why you are hated by the majority of the college football world. Had the Y not try to make so many demands and irreasonable concessions they might actually be in a bigger conference and have a decent schedule right now, & maybe be playing for a conference title. I doubt that would be the case since they cannot even beat a team with a winning record, or a team with decent athletes. It is just the sign of things to come with how the Y has alienated all of the conferences in college football with all of their unreasonable demands.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Alum 91 sounds like a disgruntled wife seeking divorce lmbo

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    Riverton Kewgar,

    It wasn't that the Y didn't agree to their terms, they just asked for the world, and there was no way the Big East was going to give it to them. Keeping ALL of their TV rights, and having to have BYY TV to where people can watch replayed games. Stupid demand. No one watches the replayed games, and everyone has DVR these days if they have to miss the game. I am glad that some BCS conferences expressed interest, but them expressing that interest does not make you a BCS team. Being in one of those leagues does, which as of right now you are not a part of. So UTE fans, & fans of college football can say that the UTAH is a BCS caliber team, & BYU is not. I think that the whole BCS thing with games other than the NC game will be gone in a few years, but there will still be something in place for teams from those conferences will go to what was the BCS bowls, and have league tie ins. BYU will not be part of those tie ins, & be able to go to bigger bowls. Big mistake for the Y

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:03 p.m.

    Reading the opinions expressed here has made me wonder a few things:

    - Was the TV rights issue the real reason the talks with the Big-12 went nowhere? If so, what on earth was BYU thinking? Wouldn't the exposure from that affiliation alone be huge?
    - What "exposure" is so precious that it must be preserved at all costs? Are webcasts of the Y thumping Idaho State that hot a commodity, or that important in spreading the LDS message?
    - Is the absolute death of the present BCS bowl system (being merely one of many discussion group ideas floated by BCS AD's) such a foregone conclusion that BYU is willing to stake its future on it?

    And finally,
    - Are sammygoaway, Duckie and (not)toosmartforyou really BYU's now-infamous and abrasive legal team?

  • Jared Average, SE
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:01 p.m.

    This has to be said. There are a lot of whiny anti-BYU commenters and whiny BYU "fans" who are complaining about things they know nothing about. How many of you were involved in the BYU - Big East talks? How many of you have any idea what the college football landscape will look like in two years? How many of you are asked to direct a church-owned university with its own set of goals that do not always match up with the goals of other universities?

    For me, I'll enjoy being able to watch BYU games wherever I am living. BYU had a very respectable schedule this year, especially given the time constraints of putting it together. Schedules will only improve with time. Recruiting will only improve (not that it's been bad - there are a limited number of people interested in BYU anyway) and TV revenues are much improved already.

    BYU's in an awesome position. Right now Independence provides more stability than is found in all but a couple conferences (mainly the SEC and Pac-12; the Big 10 is pretty stable too). The Big 12 barely survived and the Big East might not.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:49 a.m.

    I think BYU is smart to stay independent... Don't be surprised when the likes of Texas, Ohio St, Florida, any school that has the base to work their own TV rights will take that road

    The big east and big 12 will not make it in the long haul

    The east coast is not a college football market in reality and the big 12 without Texas and that market doesn't have the demographics to support large TV contracts

    Stay independent, schedule well and make money for ur school

    I'm not even a BYU fan

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:30 a.m.

    @Cats

    If, as you claim, the football program exists to provide exposure for the LDS church above all else, then that is even more reason to be upset about the current situation. BYU's current "exposure" has only made the school and Bronco look pathetic (e.g. losses to Utah and TCU, wins against only terrible opponents).

    Tell me how this exposure is helping the school or church's cause?

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:28 a.m.

    Since football is clearly not the main priority at BYU, I guess there is no room for non-LDS fans like myself in BYU's future. Recruits will soon begin to see the same thing. Recruits like Ross Apo will become a thing of the past. I predict additional decommitments in the coming months and years of losing the best LDS athletes to Utah.

  • socalcougar! La Crescenta, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:24 a.m.

    As a cougar fan, we need a conference. Independence is for Notre Dame. I lost interest in BYU football this month. We need a conference race and something to play for this time of year. We need to play Boise State as our rival for a conference championship. I was really hoping that we would join the Big East. The level of competition would have been perfect. We'd also have exposure across the whole country. I think we would have struggled to win in the Big-12--see Utah's struggles against better teams in the PAC-12. We need a conference and something to play for.

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    @Cats

    If, as you claim, the football program exists to provide exposure for the LDS church above all else, then that is even more reason to be upset about the current situation. BYU's current "exposure" has only made the school and Bronco look pathetic (e.g. losses to Utah and TCU, wins against only terrible opponents).

    Tell me how this exposure is helping the school or church's cause?

  • Dob St. George, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:19 a.m.

    I so enjoyed watching every game on TV this year. Just like the old days! I don't care if they play some week teams or if they win a national title. I just want to watch them play and win.. kinda like the old MWC days except with TV coverage.

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:12 a.m.

    Let's examine our checklist concerning how many conferences BYU has alienated in the past year:

    MWC √
    WAC √
    BIG 9 √
    BIG LEAST √

    Were not even allowed to alienate our Pac 12, but let's say it's a safe bet that if given an opportunity, they would.

    Come on BYU, play nice. The only options left are the SEC, The Big 10, and the ACC and somehow I don't see those conferences calling any time soon.

  • Kolob State BOISE, ID
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    As a Boise State fan, since we'll get to pound BYU once a year for a good while now, it really doesn't matter that BYU bailed. What's amusing is the image the BYU has of itself. They really believe they are the Notre Dame of the West. A previous poster made a great point about how BYU will have nothing to play for once they lose their first game in any given season. As part of a conference, there is always a championship at stake. I can't wait to see BSU playing for the Big East Championship in New York!!! Good luck with the whole "late night exposure" thing.

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:11 a.m.

    Re: ChiefSportsFan "I am very happy BYU is staying right where it is and very comfortable with the process that got them there...and fair-weather fans mean nothing in the grander scheme of things."

    I've heard nothing but the Cougs Admin's talking about BCS, BCS, BCS. Sorry, Chief, staying independent is going to get them there. Even if the Big East gets their AQ status removed, BYU will not be an attractive entity for a BCS bowl because their schedule is beyond a patty-cake schedule. I don't regard me as a fair-weather fan, but rather a realistic fan!

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:06 a.m.

    Big East School rep says, 'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize here, right?'

    Nope BYU does not know this.... They won the NC 30 years ago remember? How could any team ever be a bigger prize than BYU with that kind of history and tradition??

  • Kolob State BOISE, ID
    Nov. 23, 2011 11:00 a.m.

    It seems BYU wants milk but doesn't want to buy the cow...

  • MESOUTE Wandering, Earth
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:59 a.m.

    This was the best comment in the article:
    "BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize here, right?'" Being part of a conference is working together as one team. For the first time since BYU and the Big East started this process, member schools are wondering why BYU is being so difficult.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:51 a.m.

    sammyg said:

    "Yet another little pathetic agitator that just can't accept the fact that other conferences would even talk to BYU about joining their imploding conferences.

    You and your ilk have been pounding your chests since 2010 about how BYU would never be in these conference discussions and get an invite.

    Well, guess what? Time to move on and get over it. It happened. Yet another silly little troll prediction spiraling down the proverbial anti-BYU toilet.

    Try all you can but you can't change history.

    BYU got an invite just like it got an NC trophy. Hurts don't it?"

    The invite means nothing. BYU is still on the outside looking in.

    Time to for a new slogan. Forty more years of WAC legacy!

  • Alum91 AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:46 a.m.

    Congratulations BYU - I am now officially done. I was a huge fan of the program; bought hats, shirts, etc. at the games and everything. As of now, I am in the market for a new team, anyone except Utah. BYU is on the very fast slope to irrelevancy. I guess I'm not interested in following a diviusion 2 school, or whatever they call it now. Perhaps the Big Sky would be interested in an arrogrant, self-inflated program (schedule would probably be better).

    Hopefully some day they will learn the need to play nice and compromise if you want to join a conference. Big 12 said no because we were stubborn, now the desperate Big East also says no. See a common theme?!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    "Here we go again. Someone that does not understand what invite means"
    "A question for BYU fans.
    How can you consider this an official invite?"

    NightOwl, tell me what this sentence means: "BYU has been invited to join the Big East as a football-only member". This was taken from a newspaper article. It seems that you are the one this is misunderstanding the situation.

    "The Big Least and Big 12 don't want you. They need you to keep their conference together with AQ status."

    Yeah, and the PAC-10 didn't want Utah; they needed them to get to 12 teams to get a conference championship game. Colorado was invited first.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:42 a.m.

    This itself may mean the Big East loses AQ status, I guess...

  • 1984! SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:37 a.m.

    For all of you saying that the Big East is just another version of the MWC, guess what? I'd love to see us competing in the MWC again! I'd love to see us competing for anything at this point. We have nothing to play for in independence! What if we lose to Georgia Tech the first game of the year next season? Oops! nothing to play for AGAIN. But sure lets pretend being independent is great! We are just like Bronco, when we are in discussions with a BCS conference, we want BCS access, when we say no... Independence is the greatest thing ever! I'll get my season tickets next year, but if we lose the first game of the season I'm selling them on StubHub..

  • MN ROCHESTER, MN
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:33 a.m.

    @hoosiercoug - As an apparent BYU fan living outside of Utah, you obviously miss the point. They were on TV more this year than ever before so people can actually see the games. (Yes, some of us have wandered outside the bubble.) In addition, the AQ paradigm is likely going away in the future which is why they AREN'T scrambling to get into an "AQ" conference.

  • Fubecao Bellevue, WA
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:27 a.m.

    I love this news.

    But I don't understand why Boise State is insisting on a western travel partner if they're just joining for football only. Football teams only play one game a week - it's not like Rutgers would go play a football game in Boise, hang out in Idaho all week, and then go to Provo/San Diego to play the following Saturday before heading back to New Jersey. Travel partners are for sports where games are played a day or two apart.

    Also, why do people seem to think that superconferences, if they happen, will require 10 or 11 conference games? Actually, I think it's more likely that they'll revert back to 8 instead of the currently trending 9. Everyone wants good nonconference games.

  • MN ROCHESTER, MN
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:18 a.m.

    I'm sorry but playing everyone currently in the Big East is no better than the MWC or WAC teams on the schedule this year. It would have been foolish and short sighted for BYU to do this. The Big East is a sinking ship whose only asset is their AQ bid to a BCS bowl which will most likely go away in a couple years. Smart move by BYU.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:15 a.m.

    @Really???

    For the same reason traffic always slows to a hault around an accident, even when it's not in the line of traffic.

    People love to see a good train wreck.

    Especially when it happens to a group of people who hold themselves so superior to apparently everyone in college football.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 10:14 a.m.

    Up front, I'm a Ute fan, but I enjoy watching the Y on occassion, and am certainly not a hater.

    In all honesty, I'm glad the Big East didn't cave into the Y's demands. This was just sounding like what Texas did to the Big 12 all over again--wanting special rules and special amounts of money. A conference really should be about equitability, so schools can support each other whether their peers are struggling or being successful.

    I don't think the Y is ready to accept a conference affiliation right now. So I'm glad the options are gone so we can re-dedicate our time talking about independence status.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:45 a.m.

    All the serious BYU fans need to stop buying tickets and make a push to replace the current AD and staff. BYU basically just turtled and declined to play on a bigger stage.

    I always hate seeing tune-up games. I don't see much entertainment value in beating a team by 40 points and having the game out of reach by middle of the second quarter, but it appears the free men(independent lovers) can't get enough of this. That is strange, sad too, but mainly strange.

    Their handling of this issue just ensured that three whole conferences won't schedule them. Independence works for Notre Dame because they basically play a Big Ten schedule. What will BYU do when the WAC dissolves? I guess you will have to beg the Sun Belt or MAC for an arrangement.

    I feel sorry for all the serious BYU fans, for the rest of the lemmings willingly to follow the football program off the cliff--enjoy the ride. Here's some music for you:

    You'll do swell, you'll do great going to have the whole world on a plate. Starting here, starting now, everything's coming up roses.

    Enjoy the magical mystery tour!

  • hoosiercoug AVON, IN
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:44 a.m.

    Wow! Amazing!

    I thought the idea was to get "exposure"? How is trying to fill your football schedule 'dance card' with an occasional top 25 team and practice squads from the WAC going to give you exposure??

    Good luck getting invited to another AQ conference.

    Try stepping outside your Happy Valley bubble every now again...

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:29 a.m.

    What a mess, it's obvious to me that the BYU administration is not interested in joining a BCS conference (probably never was). As a BYU fan, I couldn't disagree more, the shot at the Big 12 was BYU's best and maybe only chance at joining a big conference. Could you imagine the football nirvana in Utah with the Utes in the Pac 12 and BYU in the Big 12? The Big East would have been an ok option, but I'm still stinging from the Big 12 failure. I just can't get excited anymore about playing these WAC teams, this November has been dreadful.

    BYU administrators, you've made the bed and now it's time to sleep in it. You've just placed enormous pressure on Bronco and the players to win and win and win more, otherwise, it could get ugly with nothing to play for each year.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:20 a.m.

    Duckhunter observed "I love all of the utah "fans" pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans. Your obsession is showing."

    So you're saying there are no disgruntled BYU fans?
    Interesting position. "If you complain, you are not a fan."
    Technically correct, too, according to Merriam-Webster's...

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:19 a.m.

    There is a ton of criticism and a lot support about and for BYU and conference alignment. But it's all in the perspective of where you are when looking.

    Many of you posters are seeing it from the "what's in it for me" perspective, ok, that's reasonable, others see it from a perspective of enmity or hate and it's very obvious while others see it from a perspective of Ha Ha, gotta love it sarcasm and others see it from the perspective of the aims and goals of BYU and the Church and that's fine too.

    Which of the perspectives is the right one? who really knows, every one thinks theirs is. At the end of the day, it is what it is and the perspective we see it from may be the farthest from reality.

    My perspective is, for what it's worth, that in this ridiculously chaotic scramble to be on top and get the best position for the fight, some unforeseen element of surprise will undoubtedly appear and topple the whole thing.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:06 a.m.

    I love all of the utah "fans" pretending to be disgruntled BYU fans. Your obsession is showing.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:03 a.m.

    I wonder what BYU's recruiting pitches will be like now.

    "Well we have a very stong tradition of class and excellence in our football program and if you choose our school, your family will be able to see all of our games as we take on quality opponents like Idaho,Idaho State, New Mexico State, Central Florida, and North Texas. All of this you will see every week on ESPN at an 8:30 pm kickoff time. You will have to understand that our football team has no conference, no rivalry, no real chance at getting a bowl bid greater than the Armed Forces or New Mexico bowls. But we at BYU believe football is number 5 on our priority list. Livning the gospel is what we should all be trying to do and you can only do it at BYU. No need to try and be a missionary at another school now."

  • Clint2 Lake Worth, FL
    Nov. 23, 2011 9:02 a.m.

    I am so glad that the Big East deal fell through; it looks as if the Big East is just going to be the new WAC or Mountain West Conference and we don't need that again. We need to remain independent; it has been great being able to see all of the games this year here in Florida.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:45 a.m.

    I haven't read all the comments, but what many fail to see is that automatic qualification and making money are not the top priorities for BYU. EXPOSURE is the top priority.

    The football team exists at BYU to get exposure for the school and the Church. BYU's values are not the same as other teams which only care about making money and getting into a BCS bowl game. If BYU gets 1.6 million viewers per game, that's by far more important than the money or the BCS bowls. If BYU can get their current TV rights and viewership, go ahead and join a conference. BUT, if BYU has to give up it's current TV deal, then forget it. We're doing just fine as we are.

  • R.Burgandy Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:43 a.m.

    I still don't understand the Big 12 deal and why BYU bothced it! As a BYU alum and season ticket holder, why would I want to send my kid to the Y with their Independence thing when he could head up to the U and play in the PAC 12 and a chance to go to the Rose Bowl every year? Most recruits can and will get some of the "BYU experiance" up at the U as most of the coaches are LDS and share the same values as alot of the recruits BYU is after. Recruiting will be the first thing that will hit the BYU program(already has). I think all the Utah games were on TV this year as well. Kind of a sad situation in Provo right now.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:40 a.m.

    Hmmm... 141 comments on this thread right now, and only 10 comments on the article about the Utes' bowl prospects. I'm really wondering which team is really irrelevant, and which one needs to start playing more exciting opponents.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    This is a PR nightmare for BYU

    I am tired of watching BYU play lousy WAC teams.

    I am tired of the whole realignment game.

    Oh goodie...next year we get to play Weber State

    End the madness!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:34 a.m.

    BYU is like the car salesman who is terrific at selling used lemons, knows just the right way to get really desperate people into a junk of a car, yet just can't find a way to sale a newer model, which obviously brings in more money for the dealership.

    Then they go to the boss and makes demands about salary, hours, benefits, etc. Demands that even the top salesmen in the company can't get away with, even with a clearly superiour resume.

    And they can't understand why their previous employer, and 2 potential new employers, have told them to take a hike.

    Then they come back home and tell their wife that being unemployed because you can't get along with anyone is actually a better situation.

  • Uncle Rico Knows Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:31 a.m.

    Sorry, folks! Playing sub-par WAC teams on ESPNU at 10:15 PM Eastern time is not exactly what I call National exposure. No doubt in my mind!

  • Griz Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    what a joke of an article. so what was basketball only member school georgetown doing that was so helpful in getting byu membership as a football only school?

    all of Harmon's big east sources sound like the same guy whining about the same thing over and over. text quote I expect to hear from a big east source will be along the lines of, " fine, we never wanted them anyways!"

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:22 a.m.

    Well, as a BYU fan for 50+ years, I'm sad to now observe that it looks like BYU is headed in a direction that will result in the school dropping sports like BYU-Idaho did. That scenario may well play out in a few years the way this thing seems to be headed. As many other contributors have observed BYU may find itself unable to schedule good teams as they have snubbed several conferences now. Good players will surely not want to play for a school that has become irrelevant. Coach Mendenhall is now flip-flopping from day to day in what he says so that is kind of embarrassing too. Who ever thought we'd see the day when BYU football would loose relevence? As hard as this pill may be to swallow, the only team that may be worth aligning with in the future for local fans may be - yes - UTAH. A sad day indeed after all these years of enjoying rooting for the Coogs. Sorry Cougar nation, but the hand writing seems to be on the wall.

  • Andermart Pullman, WA
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    Fair-weather fans. Arm-chair quarterbacks. Back-seat drivers.

    You guys know nothing.

    Exposure, exposure, exposure. BYU has a charter and a responsibility to its board of directors to add exposure, and giving up their TV rights just doesn't accomplish that. Yes it puts us in a conference that, for now, has AQ, but is one season worth that price? No. Absolutely not. No way.

    BYU has to grow in recognition, and they have to be seen as an oasis where an Honor Code means something. This past year they have been doing that. BYU has a television complex and a broadcasting arm that is second to none. They are going add exposure and to do that you have to be a maverick. You have to be different.

    BYU is different. It is about more than conference affiliation.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:09 a.m.

    Good for BYU. They have said exposure is their #1 goal and the Big East couldn't/wouldn't guarantee that. BYU will be on national TV almost every game if not every game for 7 more years. The schedule next year is better and is as difficult as other top teams (maybe excluding SEC). A perfect fit in a conference would be nice but independence is the best option for now. Go Cougars.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:07 a.m.

    @ hornetfan, fair point that "There are very few people who actually know the "truth" and they aren't talking." Perhaps BYU should drop the secrecy, PR and control and just level with the fans. I don't see that happening ever. They will never, ever, ever be fully forthright.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 8:00 a.m.

    BYU wanted to be the only team in the nation to not commit its broadcast rights to the conference in return for the benefits of conference membership.

    The beauty of BYU's recent conference flirtations is that in additional to the WAC and the MWC, now the Big 12 and the Big East have first hand experience with the insufferable, inexplicable, and unwarranted arrogance that has come to define the "brand' of BYU.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:52 a.m.

    gdogblahblah

    So what am I nervous about? What am I bitter (and jealous) about? I'm dying to know. I'm all ears.

    I embraced independence and that has never changed.

    I'm not like a Ute fan that doesn't use his season tickets.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:50 a.m.

    Continued:

    BYU's Athletic independence was another bold statement of defining the direction of the school and the church. It was not a knee jerk as some have implied by demeaning comments but was a result of years of foresight and planning that made this bold move possible. By any current standard of collegiate sports, it was counter to the norm but BYU was prepared and forged ahead. Again, respect was largely the feelings of most people nationwide.

    With respect to the Big 12 and Big East conferences, it is evident that BYU's brand was highly regarded and to say otherwise is disingenuous. It may appear on the surface that BYU has been arrogant and prideful but I contend that it is much more a case of defining who and what BYU and the church stand for.

    There will be many loud and voice-full detractors and critics but I expect, BYU's brand to not only survive but flourish and in the end, the it's not about us it's about the mission of BYU and the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.

  • boatersteve Fruit Heights, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:49 a.m.

    I love remaining independent, we get to watch all those games late at night, with mediocre, losing record opponents and have no chance at developing some fun and exciting rivalries let alone a chance to play in one of the big dances. Is the rarefied air in Provo such that the fans do not matter any longer? BYU get a grip get rid of intercollegiate sports altogether before you shame yourself in oblivion, let the good players go to Utah where they seem committed to competing.

  • hornetfan declo, id
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:43 a.m.

    There are very few people who actually know the "truth" and they aren't talking. Everything else is opinion, speculation, and or bitterness, hatred. They all show up in these posts. Some people are so BYU they see no other side and bias is the obvious. Others are so anti-BYU that their posts are just bitter and nasty. I don't understand why it has to be that way.

  • hohum Saint George, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    Jealousy brings out some great comments, NOT!! The bcs is dying and will be dead in two years. The bowls will return to the former setup and possibly a championship game outside of the aq system.

    Some people have gloated about being part of the bcs, u, not that it is dying the "prestige" is gone, they will all be the same as before. The difference is that the y will still have its revenue and contract while the rest start scrambling for deals.

    Indy will prove better and better as time goes on.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:32 a.m.

    I've been watching and wondering a lot the past several months and I have to admit there were times when I felt the sting of disappointment as I think every true BYU fan in the country has. But I took a deep breath and considered the big picture and once again I'm confident in the future of BYU athletics.

    I make no jabs at Utah's new found home, in fact I'm happy for them but I don't understand the in your face, demeaning attitude toward BYU by many. Conversely I don't understand the demeaning and jealous retorts from BYU fans toward Utah. Rivalry aside, each school is on a different course, always has been and always will be that way. There should be no disrespect.

    As for BYU's course which this article is about, the word to me is misunderstanding of the mission of the School and the sponsoring institution. If I may, BYU's honor code has been as high profile as any thing in the world of sports and it was the completely and thoroughly dissected from every angle and in the end, I believe for the largest part respect for standards won the day.

  • JohnnyJingle SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    It's for the best. We can't compete on the same speed/athletic level as Boise and some of these other teams, as we've been shown by Utah and TCU.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:17 a.m.

    Most of the BYU fans want to be in a conference. It's okmto admit disappointment. A few days ago, most BYU fans were pushing big east as a good option. Many of the same are now applauding the decision to stay independent. If it makes you feel better.

    Back to bad WAC schedules. Get your 2012 season tickets now. It's going to be great. At least it will be great in SLC.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Nov. 23, 2011 7:04 a.m.

    Boise State the prize in the deal? I suppose if you are only talking football, and ONLY football, that may be the case. BYU does not need the Big East. They will lose AQ status in 2013 and then BYU would be back where they were in the MWC....with a bad TV deal and angry fans that have no access to them. The independent deal is WAY better. I've seen every game this year and the school has made 10 times the revenue than last year. It still slays me that the Big East is scrambling all over the WEST to add schools. Why would BYU want to travel back east to play schools that really have no football reputation. I think the conservative course is much better! Go Cougs!

  • We wear Blue ogden, ut
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:59 a.m.

    Remember folks the Big East asked BYU! Not the other way around.

    Its like the school nerd ask the head cheerleader to the prom.
    After weighing all her options and deciding the nerd doesnt have any of the qualities she is looking for in a long term relationship.....the head cheerleader decides to stay home and watch ESPN instead.

  • sixpacktr Lancaster, NY
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:23 a.m.

    Good. I'm glad they stayed independent. The Big East is dying, the Big 12 is dying, and independence gives them the freedom to schedule as they wish.

    I love how people are making assumptions about BYU's thought processes and how they are being unfair and selfish and everything else imaginable based upon a couple of newspaper articles and comments from some individuals in a conference (Big East) that has lost out on getting BYU to join.

    Finger pointing, baseless accusations and outright falsehoods are alive and well with those that think they know everything when they have 1/10th of 1% of the facts. Boy, it must really be great to be so smart!!

    The Cougs will be fine. And it was great to watch football live on Saturday late and basketball live last night. To all of you that think it doesn't matter because they are playing 'soft teams', think again. The exposure BYU (and thus the church) gains is immeasurable.

    Go Cougs!

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:21 a.m.

    @Fresno girl:

    Be honest....is there a better word to describe what the BYU football has become? Before you answer, please look at the schedule and the bowl opportunities.

    Nah....I think irrelevant is probably the best word to use.

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:20 a.m.

    The enemy's gate is down.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:14 a.m.

    Big mistake. Independence means playing for nothing. No conference, no rivalries. No chance of BCS, except if they go undefeated, which is rare. Big East would mean bigger exposure in the East, thus bigger exposure overall. BYU is not Notre Dame. Not even close. They are not as important as they think they are in Utah Valley.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 23, 2011 6:04 a.m.

    Craig Thompson is laughing!!!

  • buffalo72 SANDY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:33 a.m.

    Sadly BYU is progressing from sometimes good, but fun to most likely bad, but boring. At least Navy, Air Force, Boise State and a couple of other teams in the Big East would have been consistently fun and good competition at a playable level for the Cougs.

    A good decision has been made to help fans go to the movies or watch the Utes, Aggies and local high school teams. Aggie losses have been more fun to watch than any BYU wins this year. It feels like the BYU Idaho pattern for intercollegiate sports may move south. Perhaps the march toward more intramural sports facilities is progressing well in Provo. All of the broadcast rights for intramural sports are probably available for the Y.

    Thanks for continuing the big jump in free time you have created this year gentlemen!

  • James SP TOOELE, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 5:12 a.m.

    I'm not surprised about the final outcome buy I am very disappointed about the negotiating tactics that leaves BYU looking like the most arrogant university in the country. The negotiations seemed to drag on for an incredible amount of time about issues that were non-starters for both the Big12 and for the Big East. This may be the best outcome for BYU but the process has damaged the school's reputation and validated some of the comments from MWC schools about what a difficult partner BYU is. By the way BYU has set about negotiating these deals it has relegated itself to independence. There will be no other opportunities from conference expansion/realignment because no one will want to waste any time talking with and negotiating with BYU. This lifelong Cougar fan is questioning his allegiance - makes me sick to say it but that classless university up mort is starting to look better each passing day. This has been a sad and exceedingly poorly handled summer and fall for BYU!

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:53 a.m.

    @dknight68 10:58

    You said, "The Des News will still try to convince everyone through their propaganda that BYU is growing and relevent but they are on a steady decline none the less."

    Actually, the BYU hating trolls are doing more to prove BYU's relevance than anything the Deseret News has printed.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:38 a.m.

    As a Cougar fan, I'm not sure what to make of this.

    Yes, BYU appears to look arrogant in all these negotiations. I totally understand why people would say that. But let's say in a year or two when the whole BCS thing is re-written, the powers that be decide to kick out the Big East Conference. If that happens, BYU won't look so foolish after all.

    On the other hand, I'm still not sold on this whole independence experiment. Part of that of course has been the team itself. The Cougars could very well be 10-1 right now, except for a few costly mistakes in the Texas and TCU games.

    But even if BYU were 10-1, would it be that much better? They're not playing for a conference title. No BYU player is getting a conference player of the week award or All-Conference selection.

    Their schedule next year looks much better than this year, but once the Cougars lose even a single game, the season will have lost its relevance.

    I'm willing to see how things evolve over the next two, maybe three seasons, but right now, BYU football is on a lame plateau.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Nov. 23, 2011 2:00 a.m.

    BYU needs to be honest with their fans and with their recruits.

    It is clear that the Administration does not want to achieve excellence in Athletics... This is two realignment opportunities that we have blown while keeping the fans in the dark the entire time.... If the information out there is true and that the reason we are not going to the Big East is because we wanted to keep TV rights for home games and that we wanted to be able to bolt without penalties if the Big East lost its AQ then I can see why BYU has such a bad reputation with other schools that have been in our Conferences in the past... There is not another school or team in America that would ask for that. It is condesending in nature and certainly is not League Friendly...

    The people who are making these decisions are killing BYU Athletics in the future.... Fans and ESPN are not going to be interested in watching BYU beat up on WAC and Big Sky teams at 10:15 PM Eastern on Friday or Saturday nights... Either get some people negotiating that understand college sports are close down the Athletic Dept.

  • Brad E. HERRIMAN, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:16 a.m.

    Holmoe and his "piece of work" cronies are now trying desperately to determine which football conference bridge to burn next. Maybe the SEC? This is AMAZING :-). Looks like WAC and Big Sky opponents for at least the next decade! Well done Holmoe!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:16 a.m.

    From Mike Johnson:
    "In the interest of protecting the $5-10 million per year deal, BYU has place themselves out of the running for a deal that could have been worth $15 million to them and offered them several bowl options, including multi-million dollar bowls and remains stuck with $600K bowls."

    I believe your numbers are very low. I would estimate that this year BYU will take home between 15-20 mil. The AF Bowl is worth 1.2 with no need to share.

    I also don't believe the BE deal would have paid those dollars to BYU.

    Right now my guess is that in 5 years, BYU's revenue will be equal to or greater than what the PAC12 is paying Utah, especially the next three.

    The formula for BYU to succeed in football is to win games. It will not matter if they are in a conference or not if they can win. Beating BSU, ND, Utah, GaTech and whoever else they play will give them the exposure they need and even more revenue. But they must win. If they win, bigger and better bowl games will come calling.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 1:04 a.m.

    To all the little trolls

    Sorry to disappoint you, but BYU chose to take the road less traveled and already enjoys advantages that you could only dream of.

    How many of your games were only televised locally on KJZZ this year? Wouldn't it have been great to have a state of the art HD television studio on campus, wired directly into RES and the HC, and connected to your very own television network available in 60 million homes nationwide; and to have ESPN as a television partner, willing to allow you unlimited rights to rebroadcast any Utah game ever televised on ESPN?

    The Big East basically wanted to flip the switch and tell BYU sorry, but we won't allow you to broadcast your own games on your own network as long as you're a member of our conference.

    And BYU was supposed to be willing to give all of that up, for what?

    One year of possibily having AQ access to a failing bowl system that probably won't exist beyond 2013?

    The trolls are in a frenzy because they're incapable of understanding why anybody would turn down an offer that wasn't in their best interest.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:58 a.m.

    @sammyg

    I take part of that back. I just read a comment you posted on another article. It wasn't half bad.

    It's not that I find fault with you on buying into independence. It's just that the obsession on trolls often has you offended by Ute fans with no intent on getting your goat. And for the ones that do intend (Chris B.), it's better to ignore those seeking attention. Right? I have to tell myself that all of the time.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:53 a.m.

    @ Riverton Cougar

    "So only one BCS conference expressed interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being "BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't".

    The reason two BCS conferences expressed GREAT interest in byu is because they were desperate to avoid oblivion and they needed a school to fill the void. If BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being "BCS Caliber", then why didn't BYU accept? Obviously, BYU themselves don't feel their "BCS Caliber" or they would have accepted! Either BYU is afraid of the step up in competition or they just want to be Notre Dame wannabes. Sorry, nobody is Notre Dame!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    @sammyg

    You sound so bitter. I asked if you were nervous, and I don't think independence is going to work for you. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it did either. I do comment on BYU topics all of the time. And although I am a Ute fan, you are mistaken to label me a hater and be so offended by me.

    I think Duckhunter makes solid comments, you not so much. Both of you are to obsessed with so called Ute trolls.

    If you have so much faith in BYU, regardless of the decisions they make, why not believe in that without letting Ute comments diminish it?

    Are my questions still moronic?

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:51 a.m.

    I agree with those who are wary about joining any conference right now . . .
    2 years and who knows what we'll have? Hopefully a playoff.
    College football and conferences are not done juggling and reconstituting.
    Glad we're waiting for a more stable situation.

    For all you despairing Cougar fans, you would truly want to sellout for a mess of pottage!? Chin up! This is only the first season of independence. It has not been bad, and it will get better, however much anti-BYU bloggers would prefer that it not.

    GO COUGARS!!

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:13 a.m.

    I'm a big Ute fan, but when I read these boards I hope you are all kidding. Because, although Utah has moved to the PAC 12 and BYU has gone independent, nothing important has really changed. The BCS system is still horrible and should be scrapped in favor of a playoff system. The two football programs are still very evenly matched in quality and competitiveness.
    Maybe over time, the programs will evolve differently and one will pull ahead of the other, but that remains to be seen...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 23, 2011 12:02 a.m.

    In Stitches

    Please add 'arrogance' to your list.

    Do not forget the 'arrogance' of BYU disclosing to a prospective partner the following:

    An HD truck
    An existing contract with 7 yrs left on it with ESPN
    60 million plus potential fans to watch games
    Honor Code
    A mission for good
    No Sunday play
    A legacy program
    Numerous conference championships
    Personal athletic acheivement awards

    and so much more.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:57 p.m.

    dknight68
    "To all the frustrated Cougar fans, big time football is happening right up the street!! All we have to do is work on convincing Chris Hill to expand the stadium."

    All we have to do is convince Chris Hill to borrow the stadium down the street. It's available most Saturday afternoons.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:48 p.m.

    Nightfouledup

    Yet another little pathetic agitator that just can't accept the fact that other conferences would even talk to BYU about joining their imploding conferences.

    You and your ilk have been pounding your chests since 2010 about how BYU would never be in these conference discussions and get an invite.

    Well, guess what? Time to move on and get over it. It happened. Yet another silly little troll prediction spiraling down the proverbial anti-BYU toilet.

    Try all you can but you can't change history.

    BYU got an invite just like it got an NC trophy. Hurts don't it?

  • mr. j Cottonwood Hts., Ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:43 p.m.

    BYU at least is doing a terrible job of managing they're P.R. I certainly disagree with they're choices regarding the big east and big 12 but there is no reason they should come off looking completely arrogant and haughty like they do. Tom Holmoe should have been completely transparent about what happened in both cases.

    Each time he should have held a press conference and said, "we've talked extensivly with the big twelve/big east and have decided that because of our contract with ESPN, independence is in our best interest at this time. We thank the big east/big twelve, for the interest they've shown and their willingness to negotiate and we're sincerly flattered by their interest in our program. Perhaps down the road if there is mutual interest, we will reopen negotiations." Bam! Bridges and reputation left intact.

  • ajlacq Provo, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:39 p.m.

    Well I for one am glad...I heard BCS director on Dan Patrick today, and the BCS is going to kick the Big East out of automatic qualification. And If the answer for the Big East is San Deigo freaking state...its further proof they know they are dead men walking. For the Big East to want BYU to leave a TV deal worth twice what they would make...good luck. How many winning seasons have Houston, SMU, SDSU, had in the last ten years? five combined? That's really going to help with AQ status. In two years the Big East will have nothing in football. The BCS will never willingly allow schools like Boise State, SMU, Houston have access...its all there is to it...the rules will be completely changed. The MTN West having TCU, Utah, Air Force, BYU, and SDSU didn't qualify. AQ leagues will be done away..and the Bowls will go back to their traditional arrangement with a modified playoff.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:34 p.m.

    In Stitches

    Do you really think this was a good move?

    All my BYU friends are boiling mad about this latest error in judgement.

    Glad I'm a Ute Fan. Go Utes!

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:32 p.m.

    Yes, Independence and the ESPN contract was 10X better than the MWC/TV deal, but it has done more to hurt BYU than anything else the past 40 years! Now BYU thinks its so great that they turned their nose up as the Big 12 and Big East so all their fans have to look forward EVERY year is the Bo Diddily Bowl that nobody cares about. Big 12 AND Big East would have had very solid bowls even for the 2nd/3rd/4th place teams etc! Something to actually play for at the end of the year not to mention the occasional hope of a BCS game!

    If not for ESPN, BYU would have went running to the Big 12 under any scenario. Now they look like elitists who won't work with anybody! So long to any potential future conference invites EVER! Unless BYU specifically has inside info that the Big 12 will invite them in 2013 when it expands to 12 teams, (and tell your fans this) you deserve to lose many of your fans, season ticket holders and club donations! Your fans are TICKED OFF!

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    New Ute Troll talking points:

    Pride, greed, missed the boat, irrelevant.

    Please be sure to use these as much and as often as you can on every BYU article.
    ===
    Old talking points:

    Big Least, not invited, not wanted, games only on weekday nights.

    These are now not to be used.

    Thankyou.

    Ute Troll Headquarters.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    I like the word Independence.

  • fresnogirl Fresno, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:22 p.m.

    Robert Johnson

    I dunno. How many times can you continue to troll a team that you claim is irrelevant?

    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:21 p.m.

    gdog3finally

    Nervous about what? Seriously?

    Why would I or anyone else be concerned about this? BYU would like better BCS access but as the BCS discussion has been lately... it probably won't make any difference at all.

    Patience is all anyone has but I understand you bandwagon types, when Wynn went down and U lost 4 games. Talk about panic, that was hilarious and several of U lambasting poor Hays for his first feeble efforts. Yep, that's the ol' Ute bandwagon spirit many of us have come to recognize.

    Not true for Cougar fans.

    The path is ahead and BYU is on it and not compromising anything.

    I've said it before... who needs a stinkin' conference? All of the late chatter of these poor imploding conferences is that they wanted BYU. They certainly were not looking to steal the Utes or Colorado.

    So BYU will just put the pedal to the metal on its HD truck and 60 million fans will watch a lot of ESPN as things evolve. We knew this first season was anemic for competition, 2012 is better, and 2013? Yeah baby!

    Yep, I'm really nervous about this . Any other moronic questions or statements?

    Nice try.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:18 p.m.

    Now the real reason comes out - "It was all about the money!" Finally the real reason we see has nothing to do with football or exposure. Now, don't get me wrong, this is not a bad thing just a real thing. From this point forward I don't want to hear about exposure or what independence can bring. This was all about the money from the start. For you ESPN fans, did you take a look at the game last week? The stands were fairly empty. The game started late and with all of the other key games of the day, no one was watching. I am ok with the money thing, just don't try and tell everyone else that there is something more in this. We see it now for what it is - business! Not a bad thing just a business issue. Exposure and independence was just a smoke screen. This is plain and simple - it makes business sense$$$$$.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:10 p.m.

    True....BYU does still have a contract with ESPN...but c'mon Cougar fans, how many times can you watch BYU v. Idaho State, BYU v. San Jose St., BYU v. Montana before it gets really really old. Face it...this is the first year of Independence and already the vast majority of your fans are bored out of their minds. The Big East was not the best of all worlds, but beggars can't really be choosers. To avoid becoming irrelevant, BYU should have jumped on the Big East opportunity and waited around for a better invite in a year or two. Now, there is little chance that any major conference will come courting. Honestly, I feel a little bad for the once good program.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 11:07 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar said:

    "NightOwlAmerica, you are a joke. I can't believe what you are saying. You continue to laugh at the fact that BYU isn't part of a BCS conference, despite two of them talking with BYU (and one of them even inviting BYU).....

    BYU can make demands like that while Utah can't.....

    Do you honestly think that if getting in a BCS conference was BYU's priority, that they wouldn't be in one right now? How naive! They found something that they like and want to stick with it.

    They have 40 more years of legacy and distinguished football awards than the your beloved Utes."

    Here we go again. Someone that does not understand what invite means, and dictating terms no less.
    Nobody cares about your WAC legacy other than the Sun Belt Conference. The past 40 years prove that.
    Utah got in to a power conference first, get over it.

    The Big Least and Big 12 don't want you. They need you to keep their conference together with AQ status.

  • dknight68 Ogden, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:58 p.m.

    To all the frustrated Cougar fans, big time football is happening right up the street!! All we have to do is work on convincing Chris Hill to expand the stadium. Weekly TV coverage, (check) TV earnings reaching tens of millions per year (check) BCS access, (check) 2nd 3rd and 4th place bowls which pay multi-millions, (check) Seven bowl tie ins (check).
    BYU has chosen to let thier football program continue on its long slow decline, they may still get the occasional high star LDS athlete to play there and once every 3 or 4 years get a big win. The Des News will still try to convince everyone through thier propaganda that BYU is growing and relevent but they are on a steady decline none the less. All the while the guys up the street have been steadily rising. We invite you to come enjoy that which can only be found on the Hill.

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:40 p.m.

    In today's college football, Independence is not the option. Just ask Notre Dame how they have been doing ever since the BCS started. I fully understand that BYU did not want to jump onto the "Big Least" and I think that decision was understandable. But they definitely should have made it clear from the start their "independence journey" that they did not want to join a conference. They should have told the Big 12 "No, we are sticking with independence" and made that announcement to the public. Now it just looks like they do not play well with others.

    The only problem with independence is, how is Bronco going to look a recruit in the eye and honestly tell him they will have something to play for? Is a recruit going to see BYU's November schedule and say " Ya I would like to be playing Idaho for no reason than playing for the Big 12, Pac 12, Big 10 etc. Championship in November. So is the Big Least better than Indy? Honestly I couldn't tell you.. But if being Indy is risking any of the respect BYU has earned, I might say go play in a conference.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    BYU still has the same problem as before.

    Win games and you're in.

    That's the problem.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:31 p.m.

    From the article:

    'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize here, right?' Being part of a conference is working together as one team. For the first time since BYU and the Big East started this process, member schools are wondering why BYU is being so difficult."

    Exactly.

    Exactly.

    Pride before the fall.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:25 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica, you are a joke. I can't believe what you are saying. You continue to laugh at the fact that BYU isn't part of a BCS conference, despite two of them talking with BYU (and one of them even inviting BYU). BYU rejected their offer, and offered a new proposal which was in turn rejected by the conferences (notice that Chris Hill is too timid to speak up in the PAC, particularly about Sunday play). BYU can make demands like that while Utah can't.

    Is a student at Harvard automatically smarter than a student at another university who was accepted into Harvard? BYU was invited, but declined. Yet you still talk as if the U is lightyears ahead of BYU.

    Do you honestly think that if getting in a BCS conference was BYU's priority, that they wouldn't be in one right now? How naive! They found something that they like and want to stick with it.

    "Forty years of WAC legacy and long distinguished list of football awards. And what do you have? Still no power conference affiliation."

    They have 40 more years of legacy and distinguished football awards than the your beloved Utes.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:23 p.m.

    Hubris

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:22 p.m.

    Amazing how many kool-aid drinkers there are on this board.
    I am personally disgusted by this news.
    I can't believe the arrogance shown here.
    I can't believe BYU actually thinks it is bigger than the Big 12 and Big East.
    I was getting excited by the prospect of playing Boise St and the opportunity to play for a conference championship.
    BYU is doing a HUGE disservice to their football players.
    Why would a good recruit go to BYU when they have nothing to play for?
    No conference championship.
    No BCS opportunity (BYU will never go undefeated again)
    Not even a good schedule.

    BYU - YOU BLEW IT.

  • Farid @ Pocatello Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:21 p.m.

    Had BYU joined the Big East, it would have been a "plus" for easier scheduling over the last half of future seasons.

    Had BYU joined the Big East, it would have been a "minus" in terms of money (far less than what BYU is paying them now), visibility (they would have been lost in a host of regional networks), and general independence (BYU would have lost control of pretty much everything they are currently in control of).

    If all these changes are coming to college football as we hear, BYU will likely be in the perfect place, an independent in total control of their future.

    They will be one of four teams in America who could get a call at 10:00 A.M. on a Wednesday in December inviting them to play football in a new conference and be able to be on the field representing that conference on the first day of the following season.

    No exit fees. No waiting on the sidelines for months, or years to pass.

    This is a good thing.

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:20 p.m.

    BYU "One last thing and I think we have a deal, if the game isn't
    televised we'd like to put in on BYUtv."

    Big East "Ummmm, no."

    BYU "No, we're happy to have our games on TV under the conference
    banner, but we'd like to televise the games that are passed on."

    Big East "That's not going to happen."

    BYU "Guys, really it's a win-win for everyone. If ESPN/Fox/CBS chooses
    not to broadcast our game that week, then we will provide
    everything and broadcast the game on BYUtv. That means over 60
    Million people in the US have access to the game and millions more
    worldwide could see the game, too."

    Big East "Let's see...yeah, we'll pass on that."

    BYU "You do know we already have this deal in place with ESPN for the
    next SEVEN YEARS, and schools all over the country have signed up
    to play us?!?"

    Big East "We don't care."

    BYU "Take care, brush your hair."

    (BYU exits)

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:18 p.m.

    Great News Cougar Fans!

    Note: Ignore the tedious trolls.

    Giving up the right to have almost every home game televised nationally on ESPN, plus being able to rebroadcast on BYUtv any BYU game televised by ESPN, wasn't worth the risk of joining a conference whose AQ status would probably have lasted only one season.

    November scheduling would have initially been made a little easier for Holmoe, but with persistence, BYU can still schedule interesting matchups that could very easily be better than what the Cougars would have had playing in the Big East year after year.

    With the elimination of bowl tie-ins to the BCS, bowls will return to being a nice reward for winning a conference championship, for a very few, and a fun little early winter diversion for most.

    The BCS will continue to stage a "national championship" game, but controversies surrounding which teams get in and which teams are left out will eventually reach the boiling point, leading first to a four-team, then an eight-team, and finally a sixteen-team playoff, as it should have been all along.

    The BCS will die a natural death.

    Goodbye BCS.

    Helllloooo Playoffs!!!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:17 p.m.

    A question for BYU fans.
    How can you consider this an official invite? You never accepted the invite in the first place. That does not make it official. Chalk it up to the list of rumors, what could have beens, and some interest by a conference or two over the past forty years of WAC dominance.

  • ChiefSportsFan Denver, CO
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:09 p.m.

    So many comments and so little knowledge.

    I am very happy BYU is staying right where it is and very comfortable with the process that got them there. I like their visibility and especially their leadership.

    All the wah wah wah trolls and fair-weather fans mean nothing in the grander scheme of things.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:04 p.m.

    Nobody really knows how the mighty cougar football program will turn out. But it does not look good.
    Time for the creative writers to step up at BYU TV. Unless you are a true cougar fan, new shows will be needed to ease the tension. Food shows do well. How about "America's Best Green Jello" or The Funeral Potato Wars of Provo."

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    PP | 9:18 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Eagle Mountain, UT

    Well, obviously the Big East isn't interested in football talent, hence the invite to both BYU and SDSU. It must be about location or something...

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 10:00 p.m.

    So who does BYU lose first? It's recruits or its coach.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Byu has never shown interest in BCS games so it makes sense that they would not want to join a BCS conference.

    At least they will be able to hold on to the rights of replaying games with Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State and other high schools.

    Someone above said "they should join the Big12" that's great and would make sense if they get an invite. But they haven't been invited, the only invite they have officially received is from the Big East.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:56 p.m.

    *sigh*

    You know even I occasionally get a little bit tired of the ever predictable and tedious utah "fans" that post on BYU articles. You see we all know none of you want anything good to happen for BYU so whichever way they go on any given issue your spin will be negative.

    Suffice it to say BYU will be just fine.

    @gdog

    I wouldn't say I am nervous at all. But I have faith in the church as an entire institution and despite the hate exibited by supposed LDS utah "fans" BYU is an institution of the church. I have perfect faith that they will be steered in the direction they need to go and that in the end it will all work out. It really is as simple as that. Certainly individuals can make mistakes that may seem to set things back but ultimately they will be right where they need to be doing exactly what they should be doing.

    Now some of your fellow ute "fans" may denigrate that or call it naieve but that is how I feel. I'm perfectly happy with independence and am excited about what is coming in the years ahead.

  • anotherview SLO, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:55 p.m.

    PP said, "I think it is great that Utah is in the PAC, but dont pretend that you were a prime candidate to get in. You were the last option."

    Correction: Second to last (unless I miised hearing about the Y's invitation).

  • mtseatss Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    As a long standing member of the Crimson Club, I hoped to see BYU get into a competitive BCS conference. After all, to see PAC 12 teams coming through Salt Lake in addition to big name teams from another conference going to Provo the State would have been a mecca for college football not to mention the added value to the rivalry. While I respect cougar fans for their loyalty and optimism with independence, I am of the view that the necessary frequency of high quality opponents will be insufficient to meet the required demands of the fan base and potential recruits. The program will decline and its value to ESPN will diminish resulting in the dissolution of their precious agreement. This entire process was poorly played by BYU's administration. How unfortunate for the state.

  • Magic Happens Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:53 p.m.

    An interesting but not an unexpected turn of events.

    Based on the differing posts by BYU fans, as a group they appear bi-polar. Less than 48 hours ago the BE was the salvation of Broncos desire for BCS access. Now it appears the BE was nothing more than a beggar for the scraps from BYU's table. BYU would have made the BE a stronger, more legitimate conference. And it definitely would have been easier access to BCS games. Independence isn't going to reach that goal with or without AQ conferences. There's no doubt that the BYU admin will do what they feel is right for BYU. I would expect nothing less. But I sympathize with frustrated BYU fans. A goal so close yet unattainable. Yes future BYU teams will have winning seasons against average competition with an occasional great team on the schedule, but it will still leave a somewhat empty feeling. It has been fun to watch the Utes. Yes I have been able to watch every game on TV. The national exposure is accomplished by its conference affiliation. BYU's desire for greater exposure has been accomplished, but in this circumstance they've just been exposed.

    Go Utes!

  • AZ_True_Blue Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    fan32
    "BYU sports...care alot more about the new fan than those of us who have supported the program all our lives. As long as you fans in timbucktoo who have never bought a ticket or a cougar dog at the concession stand can now see the games, BYU will do everything they can to accommodate you and throw all the loyal local fans under the bus for you. Congratulations, you win."

    Most of us in timbucktoo spent time at BYU, why do you think we're BYU fans in the first place? If only the BYU loyal lived in driving distance to Provo, then BYU's ESPN deal wouldn't exist at all. WE ARE LEGION!!!!!!

    TV is priority #1 with BYU.

    The years spent on the mtn. were painful for us longtime BYU fans not in the Utah area. I'll agree loading up on WAC teams every year would be unacceptable, but let's look at reality. Teams from all over the country have and will continue to schedule the Cougars; including Big12, Big East and eventually MWC again. It's hard for any school to turn down an attendance boost at their gate and a game on ESPN.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    @wildcat

    Well you have now posted almost that exact same post about 15 times on 3 different articles. No one has replied to you so you just keep posting it. Just for the sake of making you feel like you have actually gotten something acomplished by posting it 15 times I'll reply.

    You don't know what you are talking about. You are simply posting your BYU hating hopes and dreams. You're wrong and time will show you are wrong.

    There you go. Now you can reply or at least go to bed happy that you have been aknowledged.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:38 p.m.

    Cougars need to remember that the Big East interest is in Boise State, the team that gives them their best support for continued AQ status. Boise State wanted another team in the west. The original idea for the west division of the Big East was Boise State, Air Force, Houston, SMU, Louisville, and Cincinnati. BYU became a program of interest when Air Force stated they would rather remain in the Mountain West. San Diego State became a program of interest several days ago when BYU wouldn't sign on the same terms as anybody else. But, with Air Force, BYU, and now San Diego State, it was always about a western partner for Boise State.

    In the interest of protecting the $5-10 million per year deal, BYU has place themselves out of the running for a deal that could have been worth $15 million to them and offered them several bowl options, including multi-million dollar bowls and remains stuck with $600K bowls.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:36 p.m.

    smart_alec "I'm not sure what the Big East expected."

    They expected to humor Boise State. That is the king. We were the pawn.

  • BaseBallobserver Kyasville, utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:30 p.m.

    toosmartforyou said:

    "BYU is head and shoulders above any other school in the country with their state-of-the-art broadcast facilities. Texas is envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should have it so good. Remember the OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their HDTV Truck into town on a few hours notice? No one else in the country can do that. Why should they have to forfeit that for their own home games?"

    That is hilarious! LSU, Alabama, Oklahoma and Texas annually compete for national prominence, conference championships, top-tier bowl games, and a shot at a national championship. BYU has an HD truck, I can see how those other schools could be jealous!

  • smart_aleck VANCOUVER, WA
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:26 p.m.

    I'm not sure what the Big East expected. They knew about BYU's ESPN deal when they approached BYU about membership and that they would never relinquish that, not even for BCS AQ status. Why is the Big East surprised that home TV rights were not for sale?

    I'd like more details on the negotiations and I am a little bit disappointed that it didn't work out. If you're a conference administration looking to add BYU you don't go into negotiations expecting them to give up TV rights to home games. It sounds like the BYU lawyers might have sunk the lifeboat, but fortunately the ship "Independence" is still seaworthy and on course.

  • fan32 St. George, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:25 p.m.

    BYU sports is just like your satellite or cable companies. They care alot more about the new fan than those of us who have supported the program all our lives. As long as you fans in timbucktoo who have never bought a ticket or a cougar dog at the concession stand can now see the games, BYU will do everything they can to accommodate you and throw all the loyal local fans under the bus for you. Congratulations, you win. The BYU sports burocracy is broken and unaccountable to really no body. The sports program leadership at BYU all need to be fired. Let's hope the leadership of the church can see it and make it happen before it is too late.

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:23 p.m.

    The really interesting question here is: "What does the board of trustees really want BYU football to accomplish?"

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:18 p.m.

    Why would BYU give up their current deal with ESPN for a worse deal with ESPN? Do you really think that the BE wants SDSU? I smell negotiation tactic - any it may fail for the BE. It is hard to negotiate with a person (BYU) who is comfortable where they are at because there is not much that the BE really has to offer. By the way, for all you U fans out there - you were the SDSU of the PAC10 negotiations. Just like the BE failed with BYU the PAC10 failed with Texas/OK and ended up getting their gong show prize. I think it is great that Utah is in the PAC, but dont pretend that you were a prime candidate to get in. You were the last option.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:17 p.m.

    Duckhunter calling someone a troll.

    Now that's ironic.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:14 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica said: "BYU has to win games and draw TV ratings for stability to mean anything."

    True that.

    IMO, BYU has only 2 more seasons of independence, if that, before the honeymoon is over. They have to win big games as an independent. Otherwise, recruiting, scheduling, and their ESPN contract will suffer and they (and fans) will be left with an average team in a 65,000 seat stadium.

    BYU has stability for a couple more years. No need to hyperventilate this year, or next. After that....

    But they must win games, and win big games too.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:10 p.m.

    Bronco, make up your mind. Don't let BYU make up your mind. you want to be in a BCS conference and play in a BCS bowl or you want to stay independent? they are mutually exclusive!

    BTW.......what other spin did you expect coming out of BYU?

    And I'm a BYU fan who is frustrated with this nonsense. The BCS won't kick out the BEAST! Just like a conference won't kick out a school regardless of how bad they are.

    BYU is naive. And it will most likely cost them big time.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    I am glad we are not joining the Big East. I still wish they'd work things out with the Big 12. But independence (even with bad home schedule) is better than being in a conference that is getting weaker and weaker by the day. Big 12 or Pac-12 is the prize, not the Big East.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:09 p.m.

    BigJ
    Can Bronco be more delusional when he said? "But I love the schedules we're putting together for the future, and I love the chance to partner and be on TV as much as we are. I think it's helping us. I'm very comfortable (with independence) When you have a good competition level and a good football team, and TV, then you get it all. I think that's what we have."

    I used to think it was spin, but I'm starting to think he really believes it.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 9:00 p.m.

    toosmartforyou said:

    ".....BYU is head and shoulders above any other school in the country with their state-of-the-art broadcast facilities. Texas is envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should have it so good. Remember the OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their HDTV Truck into town on a few hours notice? No one else in the country can do that. Why should they have to forfeit that for their own home games?"

    They better put a winning product on the field and draw national attention for good ratings.
    Otherwise they might as well retrofit the HD truck into a taco wagon.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:55 p.m.

    "CA. reader | 7:54 p.m. Nov. 22, 2011
    Rocklin, CA
    For those of you who take this as an opportunity to hammer BYU, and therefore the Church, your ignorance of history is glaring."

    I am LDS and proud of it, my LDS Church Membership does not require me to love BYU fooseball.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:54 p.m.

    Can Bronco be more delusional when he said? But I love the schedules we're putting together for the future, and I love the chance to partner and be on TV as much as we are. I think it's helping us. I'm very comfortable (with independence) When you have a good competition level and a good football team, and TV, then you get it all. I think that's what we have."
    Every BYU fan I talk to hates independence. Spin, Spin, Spin.

    Go Utes!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:53 p.m.

    Your not even a little nervous Duckhunter? Do all decisions made by BYU get induced by you to be the best move possible?

    I feel bad for a lot of BYU fans because November is a time to play football against conference opponents, positioning yourself for the best bowl game, and having a quality schedule as the climax of a season.

    Exposure is great, but what kind of exposure are we looking at. Friday night at 8:30 PM against Bo Didley Tech. Sure your the only game on. But do you think those watching, including your own fans respect your exposure? No way.

    The BYU fans across the country can watch games more often now. But winning over new fans and recruits seems to be a stretch for me under this indy thing.

    ESPN likes the ratings because their are BYU fans everywhere to watch. Again, what about your recruits and potential fans? Furthermore, what about your own fans locally, who are losing interest in attending home games?

  • So. Cal Reader Escondido, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:51 p.m.

    A little venting from a Cougs fan. Obviously BYU administrators know much more about the details than any of us. But, as a fan, I simply don't understand why BYU broke off the talks. It's seems to be wrapped around not wanting to lose the current 8-year contract with ESPN, but ESPN has the contract w/ the Big East? So, that's a head scratcher. Apparently, BYU is choosing "nat'l exposure" on ESPN over getting into a solid conference, with much stronger conf. scheduling & better potential for a BCS bowl than remaining independent. Their schedule this year was laughable. With the exception of 2-3 games, not much there-- other than padding stats. And look what they did with the "prominent" teams from this year-- they lost to both Texas and TCU. The schedule improves "a little" in the future. But BYU is so far away from being an established independent "power house" as Notre Dame is, where teams stumble over each other to play them. Nat'l exposure is nice, but BYU is YEARS away from getting into any serious BCS discussion. And that's a fact!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar said:

    "So only one BCS conference expressed interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being "BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't."

    You have got to be kidding? Any rational college football fan in the country would say that The PAC 12 is a better place to be than the BIg Least and Big 12.

    Utah is in a stable conference. Something BYU knows nothing about.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:49 p.m.

    Something that the Big East Wizards didn't consider is that when their teams played BYU in Provo they would be televised over the entire globe, not just some regional game.

    Also, I wonder why San Diego State suddenly isn't satisfied with the MWC when Utah, BYU and now probably Air Force leaving would give them an opportunity to finally win the conference. They're pretty weak, really. But of course they just loved doing the hatchet job on BYU who they couldn't beat where it counts---on the field.

    BYU is head and shoulders above any other school in the country with their state-of-the-art broadcast facilities. Texas is envious; so is Oklahoma. LSU or Alabama should have it so good. Remember the OSU-BYU game in Oregon where BYU rolled their HDTV Truck into town on a few hours notice? No one else in the country can do that. Why should they have to forfeit that for their own home games?

    Stay independent.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:46 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar said:

    "Some people are out of the loop and don't realize that the Big East really wanted BYU and already invited them. BYU just didn't agree to their terms.

    So only one BCS conference expressed interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being "BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't.

    I'm excited for independence. Fans have complained about the schedule, yet are so quick to forget that we all knew a good schedule wouldn't be possible the first coupls of seasons due to the short notice. It's nice that BYU's in a position to be able to set their own terms. Other teams don't even have that option; they must take what they're offered. Beggars can't be choosers. BYU is obviously not a beggar."

    LOL!

    Forty years of WAC legacy and long distinguished list of football awards. And what do you have? Still no power conference affiliation.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:45 p.m.

    It's not only Utah trolls Duckhunter, read the comment above you.

  • Winglish Lehi, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:43 p.m.

    I'm out of the Cougar Club. Forget it.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:41 p.m.

    David said:

    "No need to hyperventilate folks. BYU has a long term contract with ESPN that provides stability for them. BYU also has their own broadcasting equipment, studios, technologies and capabilities. Why give all of that up by giving away the broadcast rights for home games?"

    BYU has to win games and draw TV ratings for stability to mean anything.

  • Johnny Moser Thayne, WY
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    I read the home tv rights like this: If you can't put us on tv sets with the network deal you have as a conference THEN we can do it on our own and whatever money we make doing that is ours and we aren't going to share. What is wrong with that? If a school think's its brand has value and the league it is attached to doesn't market it very well (WAC or MWC or Big lEast or whomever) then we will market it for the games you don't. Smart business.Just because nobody else wants to try doesn't mean it is wrong, would imagine that there are plenty of other schools out there thinking about it right now. If BYU pulled it off, every Texas, Florida State, Georgia, USC, and others would be doing the same thing. Good for them in sticking to the business plan. Make the brand available ALL the time not just when the league wants to. Nobody wants to watch Wyoming play even in Wyoming, so don't spread the exposure just to be fair; market the product people want. BYU thinks that people want to watch BYU Football, I agree with them.

  • JeffE Grantsville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:35 p.m.

    To those who are trying to pile on BYU for their "unreasonable demands", a line from a recent movie comes to mind where the hero asked for something extraordinary. His response to their initial refusal was: "Hey, you guys came to me". BYU was approached by the Big East, not the other way around. BYU was happy to move from independence if it would be a better situation for BYU's goals. If the Big East wasn't willing to accommodate those demands, then BYU wasn't willing to join them. It is that simple. Remember the reason they went independent - because of horrible TV exposure. Why would the degrade what they have now for a 1 year temporary BCS conference?

    Now, I personally would have liked being back in a conference to make November meaningful, but I understand what BYU did and why.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:23 p.m.

    Well we'll hear from the ute trolls for awhile but in the end this was the result I wanted. Good news for sure. Now they can get on with independence and hopefully there won't be anymore of this stuff to be a distraction.

    I will miss the ute troll angst however but have no doubt they'll find something else to try and denigrate BYU with.

  • utahcoug LEHI, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:19 p.m.

    This is awesome!! BYU gets to continue to play awesome games against teams like Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, and San Jose State.

    This whole thing was done over money. I'm done going to home games, and watching games for that matter. BYU admin does not care about the home fans, all they care about is ESPN. Do they honestly think that fans are going to continue to go to games in October and November to watch home games against crap teams in games that really do not count. What a joke!!!

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:16 p.m.

    Boise and AFA should not join big east and jump in as independent. BE is the big bad wolf the way I can tell.

  • Nostradamus Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:15 p.m.

    Mixed feelings on this one - I like BYU and have been particularly well entertained as Riley Nelson came in as the gunslinger QB who seems to love the game of football and made it fun to watch.

    The Big Least is not very impressive, so I don't think BYU is missing out on much by not joining them. However, it does seem that scheduling will become increasingly difficult as an Independent. BYU is a big risk for the AQ teams to play. Already the AQ teams must play their division games - why would they want to risk a game with BYU, (who has proven they can beat just about anyone in any given year) and spoil undefeated seasons and potential national championships?

    Independence will continue to be great for exposure (I wish the Utes had the ESPN televised games) - but, it will be difficult for long term football success. Notre Dame is not a great model for BYU to follow, BYU lacks the legacy and the Rudy nostalgia (plus the huge number of Catholics in the country) - Independence for BYU will likely look much more like Army or Navy - good teams, just not power houses that challenge for the National title. Nothing wrong with that, but seems like a likely scenario.

    Go Utes!

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:14 p.m.

    BYU will bring in big names, as long as they have enough weekends in their schedule not filled with traditional rivals. And if teams only have 1 or 2 slots for non-conference scheduling, why would they go with BYU?

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    @sammyg and Gorum the old.

    Good for your patience. Do you believe all decisions BYU makes will work out? Come on, you are a little nervous right?

  • PA Rock Man Allentown, PA
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:09 p.m.

    Sigh.....

    It's going to be a long winter until my Phillies start spring training.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:07 p.m.

    In negotiations when you have no interest in accepting a deal (invite), you have two ways to go: be honest and deny any interest of agreeing to a deal or make an outrageous demand in the odd-chance they give in to it.

    BYU should have said they had no interest in joining a BCS conference, and that they are perfectly content with their current setup and TV deal. Now, they have burned bridges with the MWC, Big 12, and Big East. Most of the PAC-12 is probably turned off as many of the BYU fans immediately said that they were just discriminating against their religion.

    For the schedule, this leaves the Big 10, ACC, and SEC (all will want two for one games). The other possible games: Sun Belt, MAC, C-USA, independents and FCS. These aren't going to draw interest. Sure, ESPN will be glad to fill a non-peak viewing time slot, but now begins the downward spiral.

    The fans just saw their AD and board basically turn down a national stage for some extra money. Money isn't everything, besides BYU isn't going bankrupt.

    Too bad for the serious Cougar fans that they just wimped out!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:05 p.m.

    No need to hyperventilate folks. BYU has a long term contract with ESPN that provides stability for them. BYU also has their own broadcasting equipment, studios, technologies and capabilities. Why give all of that up by giving away the broadcast rights for home games?

    Right now fans have got to be happy that they can watch every game on tv right now. That wasn't possible in the MWC. BYU is happy because of the $millions they are receiving from ESPN, which wasn't happening in the MWC. No need to get greedy. Life is good if you're a BYU fan.

    I suspect the BCS will change dramatically. I wouldn't be surprised if it somehow carried on as is. But I also wouldn't be surprised if it restructured...drastically, and many schools and teams will have egg on their helmets.

    Just relax and enjoy watching games! Sitting tight, letting the dust settle, and evaluating the changing landscape of college football is in BYU's best interest right now.

  • spudlydoright McCammon, Idaho
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:03 p.m.

    I sometimes get the impression that BYU is trying for some reason to commit football suicide. Anyone who thinks that the Big East will lose their AQ status does not understand the political clout that they have just because of their current location. The real problem with BYU is they think that they are somehow special when in the eyes of the rest of the country they are just not too smart. When superconferences come, and they will, BYU will be on the outside looking in.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    A Utah man am I, but I feel for some BYU fans that think, as I do, it's a mistake staying independent.

    BYU might be getting something better down the road, but to a certain extent, faith in independence is being exercised in full effect. I don't know what fruit will come of that seed, but I would not be surprised to see BYU football lose the kind of relevance they have worked so hard for over the last 40 years.

  • manutd Milford, CT
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:02 p.m.

    i dont understand all the drama on this board of byu turning down the big least. their conference is imploding and if they lose AQ status they become even more irrelevant in college football. not much to gain by joining them, a whole lot to lose. byu shouldn't have started negotiations in the first place. it just opens us up to criticism and there are a lot of homers out there eager to take a shot at byu and the lds church.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    "Some people will never figure out what invite means."

    Some people are out of the loop and don't realize that the Big East really wanted BYU and already invited them. BYU just didn't agree to their terms.

    So only one BCS conference expressed interest in Utah, while two BCS conferences have expressed great interest in BYU. That and the fact that BCS conferences deem BYU worthy of being "BCS-caliber" means that Utah fans can officially no longer say that Utah is "BCS-caliber" while BYU isn't.

    I'm excited for independence. Fans have complained about the schedule, yet are so quick to forget that we all knew a good schedule wouldn't be possible the first coupls of seasons due to the short notice. It's nice that BYU's in a position to be able to set their own terms. Other teams don't even have that option; they must take what they're offered. Beggars can't be choosers. BYU is obviously not a beggar.

  • BaseBallobserver Kyasville, utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    BYU is driving a Yugo, and tried to convince the Big 12 and Big East that it was a Benz! Clearing they think more of themselves than everyone else does.

    All this does is make them look like a bunch of Prima Donnas. Why in the world would they think that they should get a deal that NO other AQ conference school gets? And why weren't these demands made clear early enough in the process to not waste everyones time?

  • Utah_State_Fan Logan, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:56 p.m.

    BYU, along with Boise State, need to join the WAC. For many reasons, it just makes sense. Both teams can have their ESPN games, plus geographically it makes sense. Maybe they can talk Nevada and Fresno to come back to the WAC also. The solution has been under your noses the whole time.

    Also, Boise is tired of the MWC treating them like the new little sister. Boise has made it very clear that they want out of the MWC.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:54 p.m.

    For those of you who take this as an opportunity to hammer BYU, and therefore the Church, your ignorance of history is glaring. The Church and BYU have a history of going against the grain and succeeding. I would rather take my chances with BYU's leadership from the top down than jump at something as fleeting as AQ conference membership. To the Utah fans who may find some joy in all of this, yours is a totally different situation, a state university not governed by the principles espoused by BYU. That is not a knock on the U, just a fact. I wish you guys all the luck in the PAC 8-10-12-?. However, you need to remember that you and TCU and Boise State are all riding a wave of football competitiveness (?) created in the Intermountain West by none other than Brigham Young University. Thank you.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:49 p.m.

    I don't have ESPNU for those late night games!

  • man of few words Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:48 p.m.

    I wonder why Desnews didn't reprint the ENTIRE article. They cut off the last 3 paragraphs. The original article goes on to say: "The Big East has been trying to convince potential members that joining will lead to more television revenue, greater television exposure and access to an automatic BCS bid."

    BUT they wanted BYU to take in a SMALLER TV revenue, equal or less TV exposure in a far flung conference that may or may not still give them access to the BCS in 2 years.... Gee, wonder why the Cougs passed on this gem of a deal....

    I have to laugh at my fellow Utes, who for weeks have been trying their darndest to convince BYU fans that the "Big Least" wasn't worth joining and are now reappearing to say that BYU has "missed the boat." Give it a break already! Sorry Cougs. Please know that they do Not represent the majority of us.

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:42 p.m.

    All the BYU fans pledging jumping off the Cougar ship because of this if it proves true please don't let the ground hurt to much when you land.... The train will be better without than it was with you. :)

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:38 p.m.

    In other words, they sold their ticket on the Titanic to someone else. BYU will be fine. As much as some Ute fans love to mock the weak schedule this year, BYU is going to bring in big names. They have been doing that LONG before Utah was a glimmer in the Pac 10's eye.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:37 p.m.

    Resolute Voice your post is absolutely correct.

  • scott182 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:34 p.m.

    The big 12 would have been worth giving up the tv rights, but not big east. Who even knows how long they will have a bcs bid....

  • baddog Cedar Rapids, IA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    It was doubtful from the start that would work. Too many bad memories of the .mtn Too many of those memories had turned to nightmares in BYU minds.

  • Gorum The Old Madison, AL
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    Good Move. Go Cougars!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:25 p.m.

    Thanksgiving troll comments begin in 3...2...1...

    Well there you have it sports fans and BYU-haters. Obviously the invite was genuine, something that several said would never happen.

    Independence will be just fine and next season will be better and 2013 will be something to really get pumped for. I'm patient, always have been.

    Go Cougars!

  • Big Rock Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    This is great news for all of the football powers in Idaho.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:23 p.m.

    I must admit, I'm a little disappointed! There were a lot of good match-ups to be had... SMU, Houston, Boise State, Air Force, Navy, along with existing Big East Schools... Would have been fun! And, I think that BYU would have been in the running for a conference championship in most years.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    BYU should have been honest upfront and said to both the Big 12 and Big East that they had no interest in joining a BCS conference and preferred their current setup with their ESPN TV deal. This of course would have brought to light to their fans that they have no interest in competition on the national stage but that their interest is purely money. Beating smaller schools at low-peak viewing hours is too good to pass up.

    Unfortunately, they have made their independence deal a lot tougher by burning bridges with the MWC, Big 12, and Big East. Most of the PAC-12 won't schedule BYU either since they pulled the religious discrimination card. The Big 10, ACC and SEC will demand two for one games. What's left? The MAC, Sun Belt, C-USA, independents, and FCS teams (the WAC will dissolve)--meh.

    The U and USU will stop scheduling them, too. Utah will want a two for one, and USU will not accept a two for one.

    BYU needs to learn to play better in the sandbox with everyone. I feel sorry for the schedule maker and the fans. Way to wimp out BYU!

  • Calif PETALUMA, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:22 p.m.

    It is kind of hard to give TV rights away to be in a bigger league.

    If it was say PAC12 knocking that would be different.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:20 p.m.

    "CBSSports.com reported Tuesday that San Diego State of the Mountain West is the Big East's next western target."

    The Big-East is really scraping the bottom of the barrel if they want San Diego State in football. San Diego State's weak football teams would actually hurt the conference's chances of retaining a BCS berth.

    San Diego State BASKETBALL - yes, football - no.

  • U Student Y Fan Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    I'm becoming increasingly embarrassed by the delusion of independence. This year's schedule is terrible, and contrary to the "scheduling takes time" cop out, it will not improve significantly. As conferences expand, big teams will have fewer non-conference openings and less incentive to play a team like BYU.

    After seeing the pathetic development that is the 2011 season, BYU should be running to a conference.

    If tv rights killed the Big 12 deal, Holmoe and the other decision makers may be the most incompetent and/or delusional negotiators in sports history.

    I guess at least we will continue to be "exposed" by the few decent teams we play each year on ESPN as recruits start to avoid this train wreck of a program like the plague.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:18 p.m.

    Spectacular implosion, helmet stickers for everyone!

  • Resolute Voice Deseret, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:17 p.m.

    The march towards mediocrity and virtually no relevance to anyone important continues. The reality that BYU fans refuse to face is that the ESPN contract is not the same as one that say Texas, or Notre Dame could negotiate. BYU is a small university in Utah with what I am afraid to say an overinflated sense of worth. BYU is not Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, or USC. They are not on that level so they need to stop acting like it. Why play chicken with your future? The reality rapidly approaching BYU is being on the same level as SJSU. Only the die hard fan refuses to recognize that the 14 or 16 team super conferences means no one (of importance) has to schedule BYU. Naïve BYU fans point to the big names coming to LES in the future, but what they all deny is that those contracts can be cancelled at a moments notice. Oh sure the teams will pay the penalty, but in the end it is one more SJSU, Utah St, or New Mexico St that BYU will have to schedule. How long do you think season ticket holders will pay to see that?

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:15 p.m.

    No biggie, even though the idea of joining the Big East was the greatest thing since sliced bread about a week ago... everyone REALLY wanted Independence anyways.

    I mean, who wants to have a chance to play for a BCS bowl, anyways?

  • CaliforniaCougar Lake Elsinore, CA
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    Thank goodness!

    The Big 12 was not in our best interests.

    The Big East is definitely not in our best interests.

    Both conferences are losing teams, not gaining teams. Why jump on the Titanic?

    BYU is on national TV every week. No need to give that up just to get a conference trophy.

    Stay the course. Being independent is the best option right now.

  • liberaldrew AMERICAN FORK, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:14 p.m.

    I wonder if BYU leadership knows how bad they look right now? Not just to the Big East, but to any major College Football Conference in this country. This is the second major conference in a row that BYU has alienated. All the behind the scene complaints from MWC teams seem to be valid. BYU is coming off like an elitist school that is hard to work with. They are now going to have a really bad reputation. They want something that no other school in a major conference has, which is rights to their home games. I hope the lawyers at BYU are fired, I hope that the leadership of the LDS church can see how much damage this will cause to the opinion by others of the LDS church. The excuse would be "we don't care what others think" but that simply isn't true, my example is how many people don't think the LDS church is Christian and how the LDS church and its members have tried to show that it is Christian. You do care what others think, why alienate 2 major conferences and basically black ball us from all the other major conferences?

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:13 p.m.

    And there goes the "relevance" out the window...

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:09 p.m.

    The Big-12 would have been worth more. I didn't think that the Big-East was worth anything. The talk is that the SEC, Big-12 and the PAC-12 want to lock-out the Big-East and possiably the ACC from any future BCS-like agreement.

    Independence for BYU is just as good as the Big-East and far better than the MWC.

    BYU's attorneys sure are taking some heat. Maybe someone should have not wasted everyone's time and worked the ESPN issue, before working the easy stuff.

    If this report is true, BYU hasn't lost anything.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:08 p.m.

    Glad to hear it! Not that I was totally against BYU going to the Big East, but because BYU would have to give up too much to do so, and be right back where they were (exposure-wise) when they were in the MWC.

    Louisville also wants out (to the Big 12), so it'll be interesting to see what the Big 12 does about that, and the need to get to 12 or more to keep their conference from being raided again down the road. BYU's talks with the Big 12 might not be totally over. They're running out of choices to get to 12 teams.

    The Big East won't maintain AQ status for long, either because there won't be enough good teams in it, or because the BCS removes AQ from all conferences. Either way, BYU is better off independent.

    I'm now looking forward to seeing how all those BCS schools friendly to BYU will get scheduled from 2013 on.

  • EdCullen Orem, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:04 p.m.

    I gotta admit, a big part of me is breathing a sigh of relief.

  • Newspaper Reader Highland, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    Great news!

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 7:01 p.m.

    BYU now has two avenues to pursue.

    1) Forge another conference in the West; pull in Boise State, Air Force, Houston, Nevada, etc. or...

    2) Get VERY serious about independence. Stop talking to other conferences about hopping on board. The AQ thing is dead.

  • TheAtheist SLC, UT
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:58 p.m.

    BYU missed the ship that launched when the big 12 expanded. I believe they are better off independent then joining the big east.

    I guess BYU still has those 8:15 kick offs and two byes to get through that tough WAC schedule in November to look forward to.

    54 - 10

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 22, 2011 6:55 p.m.

    OK.

    Not surprised. Can't wait to hear from Daffy DuckHunter about BYU not giving in to negotiations for an invite.
    Some people will never figure out what invite means.