I like the Eagles too !!
This is the sort of article we should expect to see more of, now that the
Primaries are more or less decided--and all the other potential republican
candidates have failed to stick (despite every effort to challenge Mitt).
At least he's not trying to hide his past like most candidates do...including
some in this very race. These days if a candidate hasn't molested girls, had an
affair, been divorced, etc I'm happy.
So Mitt is more boring than we thought. I'm not going to hold that against him.
But, I look forward to seeing SNL's spin on this.
You people all need to relax.
It's a fact Romney lost his temper at the olympics and cursed. Just tells me he
is human. Everybody has done the same thing. It's a non issue. And how many
teenagers have smoked a cigarette or drank a beer. A lot more than we care to
@Pete in Texas"Mine was given by One who set them, lived them
perfectly, and then expects me to do the same. "Yours was given
by people who you trust are relaying the information given by the One. "You can factually prove there isn't One who I answer to after this life?
Hmmmm... thought so."Technically you can't prove there is
either. "Incidentally, even if you or I can't prove there is or
isn't an afterlife, you still have to concede that our moral codes are different
due to the fact that I am a religious man. To not do so would simply be
arrogance."Why would not doing so be arrogance? I can see how
it would be wrong, since I'm sure the two of you differ on the rules you feel
you need to abide by... but I"m not sure how it would be arrogant to say
they are the same. (Yes I'm aware you can't respond.)
I love it when people of all religions tell me they will pray for me. I need
all the help I can get.
What a hypocrite, talking about his faith in Jesus Christ while telling an
outrageous, despicable, calculated lie in his first television advertisement.
He should either repent with a quick and sincere public apology or turn in his
temple recommend. How can I, as a dedicated Mormon possibly vote for such
cynical, morally corrupt candidate?
@ Pete in Texas, to me it came across as condescending. Kinda similar attitude
some members of church have when they tell someone "I'll pray for you"
when they are judging someone else. Its a holier than thou attitude that is
part of the mormon culture, not part of the gospel. Perhaps I read you wrong
Last post... because they only allow me 4. Happy Valley? You can
factually prove there isn't One who I answer to after this life? Hmmmm...
thought so. Just like Xscribe, I have to answer to the law of the land. However,
because of my religion, I live by other moral laws that do or don't allow me to
do anything I want that isn't expressly forbidden by the laws of the land. So,
yeah... I've got a different moral code that I live by. (Incidentally, even if you or I can't prove there is or isn't an afterlife,
you still have to concede that our moral codes are different due to the fact
that I am a religious man. To not do so would simply be arrogance.)One last thought about you being so convinced I think I'm so much better than
everyone else for having a different moral code: wrong. Even with my post
comparing it to walking in a pasture, to me, stepping in cowpies stinks. It may
not bother others. That doesn't make me think I'm better because it does. It is
what it is. Don't put words in my mouth. Thank you very little.....
Mitt should have reminded them of his profanity laced outburst over a late VIP
bus during the Olympics at Snow Basin. A live mike caught it. The language
would have made a sailor blush.... now this will help him with the young
generation of voters... since they all swear all the time.So he can
say he's smoked, drank and cursed like a sailor... a real man of the people.
Kami? Did I pass off any judgement on anyone else? Did I say I was better
because my moral code is different than xscribe who doesn't believe in religion?
No. In fact, one might argue that because my moral code answers to One who has
to pass judgement on me down the road, that my moral code is worse because it is
more demanding than others. Fair enough. However, you can't say I set myself on
a pedastal, because that would simply be false. Was I wrong to say
we had different moral codes? Maybe you could help enlighten me and show me how
they're the same, because I don't see it. My moral code isn't open to private
interpretation or popular vote. I don't get to debate my moral code with others
and override Him who set it. No. My moral code was an absolute before I was even
born. It can't be changed by votes or by petitions. Xscribe has a moral code set
up outside of any religion. I was simply asking how it could be the same since
his had to come from somewhere. How did that come across as setting
myself as better?
runarg:you don't have to be smart to run for president. look at who is
sitting in the oval office
Pete said: and one more thing: just so you know, I'm not an intelligent man, but
it seems impossible to me for you to be living with the same moral code as I do.
As a believer of religion, I answer to Someone for my misdeeds because it is His
laws I have broke. Why would that be impossible since you didn't
write your "moral code," another man did and you follow him, much like
everybody else in your religion, no matter the religion. You have no corner on
morals since you needed someone else to tell you what they are.And
as far as answering to someone, who would that be?If you mean after you
die, then you may or may not answer to anyone, but don't use that as Fact.Pete said: Because if your moral compass is based solely on whatever
laws of the lands happen to apply in this day and age, then you answer to an
individual or group that set them up. See your Religious history for
changing "Eternal laws."...and you obviously believe you are so
much better than xscribe, because of your religious zealotry, good luck with
@ Pete In Texas, "But it seems impossible to me for you to be living with
the same moral code as I do. As a believer of religion, I answer to Someone for
my misdeeds because it is His laws I have broke. If you have misdeeds, who do
you answer to?"Quite the pedestal you have put yourself on if
you belief you have the right to judge the morals of others.
"I do not judge anyone else but my brother." Later in the
post...." I can guarantee that I live a more moral life than a lot of my
so-called religious acquaintances, and follow the teachings of Jesus more than
my so-called religious acquaintances." -xscribeUmmm.....
ok?Oh... and one more thing: just so you know, I'm not an
intelligent man, but it seems impossible to me for you to be living with the
same moral code as I do. As a believer of religion, I answer to Someone for my
misdeeds because it is His laws I have broke. If you have misdeeds, who do you
answer to? Because if your moral compass is based solely on whatever laws of the
lands happen to apply in this day and age, then you answer to an individual or
group that set them up. Thus, your moral compass is determined by popular vote
or debating judicial figures. Mine was given by One who set them, lived them
perfectly, and then expects me to do the same. Me making mistakes? Eternal
consequences because the One who made them is Eternal. You? Shrugged off until
they're accepted by popular vote. Yeah, different.
Please, let's talk about economic policy, foreign affairs, energy, equitable tax
structures that promote growth, environment, education and other issues of
substance. Who cares about your vacuous headline?
@Cats"Mitt, thank you for sticking by your faith and defending
it.That's more than we can say for some other candidates running this
time."Huntsman has defended the church, he criticized the
mormon-issue being brought up in the campaign more than Romney has. As far as
sticking by his faith is concerned, you seem to be expecting a man who is
perfectly fine with raising adopted daughters in the religion of their birth
nation...to be a hardcore Mormon out to proselytize to the world. Sorry, that's
Great Article on Mitt in the Washington Post today, Recalling Romney's tenure as
a Bishop and Stake President in the Boston Area. The Article is headlined "In Boston, Mitt Romney evolved in Mormon leadership, some churchwomen
say". Its heartening to know Mitt's people skills grew as Bishop. I have a
lot of respect for those men who serve as Bishops and work a full time job.
DNews and Utah's icon poster boy Mitt Romney talks about the central role of
Jesus Christ in his faith, drinking and smoking once as a teenager, and what
music he has on his iPad. QUICK, hand me a tissue, I'm about to cry, like Glenn
Beck does before he sips on his diet coke on his GBTV "pay for view",
because even FOX can't stand him either. WHAT do they put in that pizza
anyway?. Cain claims his race will help win votes, as to Adolf Hitler claimed
that his race will help win votes to?. Meanwhile we need to focus more on this.
The United States has joined the rogues gallery of nations whose debt has
exceeded its annual economic output, or gross domestic product (GDP). The U.S.
national debt has broken $15.033 trillion, higher than the $15.032 trillion
gross domestic product, meaning as of now, the country's debts are higher than
its annual output, thanks to the GOP and all their friends. The country did
enter the recession running structural deficits thanks in part to the Bush tax
cuts, increased military spending and changes to Medicaid prescription policies.
Don't ever feel sorry for Romney.
From the WSJ:Wayward Senate Democrats Keep Distance From Obama:Sen. Joe Manchin was among thousands of visitors at the Preston County
Buckwheat Festival . . . The Democratic lawmaker barely mentioned President
Barack Obama. "We're trying to keep him straight," he told the
operator of a ribs stand. "Trying to help him." Bob Taylor, a
Republican who supports Mr. Manchin, was blunt about the gulf seen here between
the two Democrats: If the president campaigned with Mr. Manchin, he said, it
"would be the kiss of death" for the senator's 2012 re-election bid.
"The most important thing that Joe Manchin has done is not get on the Obama
bandwagon."From CNN:For Democrats, second thoughts
about Obama?Perhaps no one is questioning the 2008 results more than
Democratic politicians who must face the voters next year. Right now, it looks
like President Obama, rather than offering coattails to those below him on the
ticket, may instead be serving up an anchor. This is ironic, when you look back
at what actually happened during the Democrats' 2008 primary, and at who made
Obama the party's nominee.
From US News & World Report:Even Democrats Criticize Obama on
Energy: Instead of expanding access to new areas, the new plan
restricts drilling access almost exclusively to the Gulf of Mexico. As a result,
the announcement drew the ire of those who support domestic energy production;
it even brought jeers from Virginia's Democratic Sens. Mark Warner and Jim
Webb.From the UK Telegraph:Democrats doubt Barack
Obama's reelection chancesPresident Barack Obama is facing mounting doubts
within his own party about his re-election prospects, with fellow Democrats
beginning to ask if Hillary Clinton would have made a better president. Finding
it hard to defend his often listless and repetitive performances, Democratic
strategists and commentators are privately agreeing with Republicans and
comparing Mr Obama to Jimmy Carter, another Democrat who remains the post-war
benchmark for a failed president.
Hey, Pete, how about reading my post again. I did not judge anyone but my
brother. I have no problem with you practicing your religion, Mormon or
otherwise. If you read my post without getting all defensive, you will see that
what I have an issue with is those who have "sinned" and then take
the, I'm better than you because of my (insert religion here.) Even you
insinuate that because you are religion, you have a moral compass, but
apparently those, like myself, do not have that same moral compass. You are
flatout wrong about that. I do not believe in God, but if there is such a
being, I have zero worries about what my fate might be. I can guarantee that I
live a more moral life than a lot of my so-called religious acquaintances, and
follow the teachings of Jesus more than my so-called religious acquaintances.
And guess what, I even have a beer on the weekends!And since you
bring up hypocracy: One is a hypocrit if one intentionally does something
against their supposed beliefs. Happens a lot! Mistakes are one thing;
intention is another!
Democratic Pollsters: Obama Should Abandon Run for Second Term:Patrick H. Caddell and Douglas E. Schoen argued that just as Harry Truman and
Lyndon Johnson decided not to pursue additional runs though they could have,
Obama should do the same. He should abandon his candidacy for re-election in
favor of a clear alternative, one capable not only of saving the Democratic
Party, but more important, of governing effectively."From
Politico:Roughly a year out from the 2012 presidential election,
that may be true. But already, as Obamas most recent forays into battleground
states indicate, there are growing signs that many Democratic politicians dont
want to get too close to him, either.In trips to Michigan, North
Carolina and Pennsylvania all states that he carried in 2008 members of
Congress were notably missing from the presidents side. Though none came out and
said they were deliberately avoiding him, they didnt have to: Dodging a
presidential candidate whos riding low in the polls is a time-honored political
Should Mitt have a bit of a fit, the DN will have it writ. We git hit now with
news that ol' Mitt even lit! Will the Mormons now have a snit? Stay
tuned to hear Mitt's got a zit.
@Pagan "Our Country" is not doing fine! A candidate
professing his belief in Jesus may give the USA a chance, but even that... This
country is in a downward spiral while riding in a hand basket carried by a
downright selfish gov't, democrats and republicans alike. Again, this country
is not doing fine and if you are serious in saying the aforementioned, you are
one blinded individual!
xscribe? Your excuse for not liking the LDS church, and religion in general, is
based on the lies that your brother is telling? So you're gonna judge every
religion based on that, and in essence everyone who is religious? Wow... glad
to finally meet someone so open-minded and willing to see things as they really
are. For a minute I thought you might be one of those hateful, grudge-holding
kind of folks. Glad to know you're above anything so trivial....BTW... for everyone anxious to call people who believe in religion as
"hypocrites", I'd only offer this one thought: I'm happy
to bear that label. At least I have a moral compass or code to try and live by.
Sure, I fail from time to time, but I'd rather be labeled a hypocrite for trying
to live a higher set of standards and failing occasionally than someone who has
no standards or guidelines at all and therefore cannot live at all
hypocritically. Kind of like walking in a pasture full of horses and
cows: I'll try and avoid stepping in anything stinky as much as possible. In the
end, I stink less than the guy who doesnt care.
I think that Mitt lacks some of the qualities that Repubs seem to like: -Ruggedness, getting your hands dirty.-Insensitivity to animals, by
hunting regularly in some sort of way-Being able to throw a beer down
while watching the game, like millions of Americans do-Wearing some blue
jeans that has dirt from actual workI know this is all stupid, but
George W. Bush and Sarah Palin had these qualities and it didn't seem fake. It
gave a sense of connectiveness and created better electability by relating to
the rural common folk. Me, being a white collar worker, Mitt still
seems to much like a disconnected CEO to me.
From the dept of labor: from Jan '09-Apr '10, private sector job growth was
67.5K monthly. After signing Obamacare, job growth plummeted to 6.4K monthly.From the Economist:LAST month Barack Obama, following his
approval ratings, headed south. He took a three-day bus tour through Virginia
and North Carolina, both of which he had won in 2008, reversing a decades-long
erosion of Democratic support in the South. He met soldiers, students and
teachers. Virginias Democratic politicians, however, stayed away. Tim Kaine, a
former governor now running for the Senate, pleaded a full schedule elsewhere.
Others were less kind. Phillip Puckett, a Democratic state senator, declared, I
dont plan to support President Obama for re-election. Churlish, perhaps, but it
worked: on Tuesday Mr Puckett won his own re-election battle.
Admit it Pagan, you won't vote for any Republican, let alone one who is LDS.Boring.
Angry Birds ?I'm shocked. Just shocked, I tell ya.
'Mitt is our only chance to defeat Obama and save our country.' - Cats | 10:17
a.m. Nov. 22, 2011 I thought our country would be 'destroyed' if we
ELECTED Obama? Now we need to 'save' it, FROM Obama?
FYI, our country has been doing fine WITH Obama. As exampled by: *'Osama bin Laden Killed: 'Justice Is Done,' President Says' - By DEAN
SCHABNER - ABC News - 05/01/2011 'Osama bin Laden, hunted as the
mastermind behind the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil, has been killed,
President Obama announced tonight.' *'We have been waiting for this
moment': Libya confirms Gadhafi is dead' - MSNBC - 10/20/2011
*'Obama announces total Iraq troop withdrawal' - By Ben Feller - AP - Published
by DSNews - 10/21/2011 Will our country be the same under
Republican leadership? *'GOP contenders argue on Iran' - By Kasie
Hunt - AP - Published by DSNews - 11/12/11 "If we re-elect Barack
Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if you elect Mitt Romney, Iran will
not have a nuclear weapon," vowed the former Massachusetts governor.' I cannot say. All I know is I will not support ANOTHER war
based on 'WMDs.'
'@Pagan If youre so smart...why don't you just run for President?' -
runarg | 10:24 a.m. Nov. 22, 2011 Are you saying you would vote for
me? I head no idea that's what the article was about.
Can't defend Romney?
Oh, Cats, you crack me up with the whole "save our country"
propaganda. Our country will be just fine no matter who is in there, just as it
has over the last, what, 250 years. We all seem to survive and recover no
matter who we want in as president. By the way, it's not even the president
that makes most of the decisions about this country, so you should be more
worried about defeating dems in the house and senate.As to anyone
who is surprised about Mitt's drinking and smoking - and I'll bet he cursed up a
storm also as a teen - if the vast majority of teens - Mormons also - deny they
did those things, then they are only fooling themselves. Kind of like my
brother, who had us hide beer in a Pepsi can so he could drink it without being
caught (by the public), but his faith would tell him that God knew exactly what
he was doing. He was fresh off a mission at that time, so about 21 years old.
This is the problem I have with religion and politics and those who protend to
take the high road of Christianity!
@PaganIf youre so smart...why don't you just run for President?
Mitt, thank you for sticking by your faith and defending it. That's more than
we can say for some other candidates running this time.Mitt is our
only chance to defeat Obama and save our country. I hope everyone will jump on
Mitt, I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you. Oh, the Humanity or is this a ploy to appear as a "Man of the People" to Future
Voters? Not some Goody-two-shoes? Why do I feel I'm being manipulated with this
new bit of information?
Rather than Mitt Romney's jesus... I would rather talk about Mitt
Romney. Mitt Romney on Job creation: From 2003-2007 job
growth....0.9%. In rankings with the rest of the country...MA was 47th in
Job creation when Mitt Romney was there. - Think Progress Travis Waldron
06/02/11 *'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times -
11/18/08 'Mitt Romney as job creator clashes with Bain record of job
cuts' - By Lisa Lerer, Bloomberg News - Published by DSNews - 07/20/11 'Employees who lost jobs at Bain-controlled companies more than a decade ago
say they still hold Romney responsible."I would not vote for him for
anything," said Phyllis Detro, 68, who lost her job...' *'Mitt
Romney steers clear of Ohio health, union issues' - By Dan Sewell - AP -
Published by DSNews - 10/25/11 *'Mitt Romney reverses himself,
supports anti-union law' - By Philip Elliott - AP - Published by DSNews -
10/26/11 *Firm dissolves after giving pro-Romney PAC $1 million' -
By Ken Thomas - AP - Published by DSNews - 08/04/11 *Mitt
Romney: Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot - AP - Published
by DSNews 08/11/11
'Mitt Romney tells 'People' about Jesus, beer, his iPad music' - Title Why can Mitt Romney talk about Jesus... but not anyone else? *'President Obama's purported 'weird'-Mormon strategy against Mitt
Romney will backfire, pundits say' - By Hal Boyd, Deseret News - 08/10/11 To date, Obama has said ZERO about Mitt Romney's faith.
Others have though: *'Rick Perry backer decries Mitt Romney,
Mormons' - By Jamshid Ghazi Askar, Deseret News - 10/08/11
"(Robert) Jeffress described Romney's Mormon faith as a 'cult,' and said
evangelicals had only one real option in the 2012 primaries. ... Asked by
Politico if he believed Romney is a Christian, Jeffress answered:
'No.' " Mitt Romney is NOT a man 'of the people.' *'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt' - By Mitt Romney - NY Times - 11/18/08 *Mitt Romney: Corporations are people...my friend - By Phillip Elliot -
AP - Published by DSNews 08/11/11 And, in my opinion, only in it for
the money. *Romney campaign battles Dems, Press over issue of
transparency By Barrett Haake NBC News 11/17/11 There it was this
morning, on the front page of the Boston Globe, a headline no campaign ever
wants to read: Before leaving office, Romney staff wiped records.
He must be a good man if he listens to the Eagles.