Hudspeth is LDS? Long time ago I heard one of the reasons he was canned was that
he discouraged the best players from going on missions. Of course, that was
from a fellow Ute fan so consider the source.
This is talking winning percentages, no? I think when one considers
the competition, BYU is playing a much tougher schedule than before. The U
wasn't even relevant for most of Edward's career and most recruits hated Utah,
let alone playing in their stadium, which still has below average locker rooms.
Obviously Mendenhall wins and wins a lot. The problem is thinking
BYU and Mendenhall must win every game. That is just crazy talk. Mendenhall is
in an era of minute-to-minute media and social networks and hence under 24/7
scrutiny, that was never the case in all of the other coaches reigns. I will say
the same for most high-profile programs. The fans and the media are almost
childish in their "cheering," or whatever they think they're doing @ Truth avenger: grow up! I think its great that my home teacher and
bishop root for the Utes, but not because they hate BYU, but because they are
true loyal fans, not fly by night social media fans. Whittingham
will always get the benefit of the doubt from media and fans that Mendenhall
won't ever get and football will always be priority 5 on my list.
I agree with Dan the Fan, Bronco can't win big games. If Cougar fans can get
excited about beating losing teams then enjoy mediocrity. Nobody forced BYU to
go independent and in going independent they lost any credibility the program
had. Bronco's fake humility and arrogant piety make it nearly impossible to
endure listening to him. Kyle Whittingham manages to sound more confident and
more humble at the same time and has more accomplishments than Mendenhall. In
any neighborhood the kid who picks on the little guys is a bully, if Provo he's
a great coach!? My new favorite color is crimson.
I look at W/L record under Bronco. Byu vs Utah = 3-4 vs TCU = 2-5. Winning
percentage is important, sure, but if you can't beat the big dogs you won't be
around long. How did that work out for Lloyd Carr? 122-40 with a national title
but lost his last 7 to rival Ohio St and got canned! Bronco almost never wins
the big game, which drives me crazy. 2011 marquee win = Utah St, 2010 =
7-6 UW, 2009 = 8-5 Oklahoma, 2008 = 8-5 Air Force, 2007 = 9-4 Utah, 2006 11-2
TCU(finally), 2005 = 4-7 Air ForceIs Bronco the right guy for the job,
maybe. He gets us 10 wins against weaker competition, but I think in order to
get over that hump and win the big one we need someone else!
The thing to remember is that prior to about 1965, football was just an
afterthought at BYU, where basketball was king. Once the administration started
showing more support, the winning started.
Why are people getting so emotional about this. The article doesn't so much rank
the coaches as gives a straight-forward report of winning percentages through
history. Putting the lowest first and the highest last is a sort of logical
extension of that. None of the text if the article made a judgment about the
quality of the coach.You can't compare one coach to another anyway.
Prior to Tommy Hudspeth, the stadium was where the Richards P.E. building stands
now with the stands on the side of the hill. During the Hudspeth tenure they
built the current stadium and won their first ever conference championship.
Chicken and egg question: what came first, institutional support or coaching
success? Again, was Lavell just a unique coaching genius or did he
get a lot more institutional support than Tally Stevens did - or was it a little
of both? Once he started winning the institution nearly doubled the capacity of
Cougar Stadium. The only comparison to be made between LaVell and
Bronco is that Bronco got off to a quicker start - not a fair comparison. We
would need at least 10 years if not more to draw conclusions.
Too soon to make Bronco number one. Until he has kind of career that Edwards
had he shouldn't even be ranked.
More Spin and Hype. How did the spin work out for BYU with the "better
than every previous QB - freshman year stats -Jake Heaps"? Bronco is not in
the same league as Lavell.
This article should be renamed, "WAC winning percentages"
A Utah fan perspective. LaVell Edwards was and always will be the
best. He is one of the greatest Utahns of all. Although I find
Bronco to be somewhat smug, he is the right man for the BYU job, and he has done
well despite all of the naysayers.
Actually, I believe Coach Mendenhall is justified in being at the head of the
list. Coach Edwards had allowed the program to becomre barely competitive by
the end of his tenure leaving with a 6-6 record and losing consistently in the
rivalry game to Utah. Coach Crowton enjoyed one great year and then the program
took a real dive. Coach Mendenhall revive the program and made it competitive
again. It is true that the team is not dominate as it was in the early 80's
under Coach Edwards. But, it plays much better competition including over the
past several years a very, very good TCU team and the occasional stellar Utah
team. It will be interesting to see if Coach Mendenhall can keep the Y relevant
now that it is independent with no BCS, no conference championships, and all the
challenges to scheduling independence brings.
Is this an attempt to save bronco's job? Hmmm, who would have ever thought the
dnews as pandering.
Interesting comparison of BYU head coaches; Lavell Edwards is the leader in BYU
Head Coach history when it comes to winning Conference championships, team
playing in post season bowl games, number of seasons finishing as Division I-A
top 25 team, and winning national championship. These measurements as well as
number of bowl wins mean more than winning percentage.How much
influence does the Head Coach have on football scheduling? Is their consultation
and if so, is the Coach asking to play teams that are not from conferences that
are competing in the Bowl Championship Series (BCS)? Outside of BYU's current
coach, all the previous head coaches were affiliated to a Conference and did
these Head coaches have input on scheduling of non-conference opponents?If one compares Coach Mendenhall (BYU) and Coach Whittingham (UofU) on
the parameters mentioned above, UofU would have hired a more successful head
coach for the same time period.
You can't rate the current coach with much left to prove better than a legendary
previous coach like Edwards. It's unfair to both of them. Bad form, DesNews,
bad form. Edwards is clearly the better coach as it stands now. In
another 10-15 years, who knows? But for now, you can't even begin to compare
Bronco's body of work to LaVell's. Edwards put BYU on the map in the world of
college football. Bronco has won some games against a less-than-stellar
schedule, but doesn't have much to show for it in terms of keeping BYU in the
national football conversation (no, interconference drama doesn't count as the
national football conversation). Until he does that with BCS appearances/wins,
wins against marquee programs, winning records against at least a
semi-challenging schedule, etc, then you can't even mention them in the same
conversation. Bronco may or may not become a better coach than Edwards was, but
to compare them now is laughable.
@ Provo4life. I like your point, but you are mistaken. LaVell did not coach in
19 bowl games, he won 19 Conference Championships. He actually coached in 22
bowl games, with a 7-14-1 record.
@BYUfanInWashSt: I don't see a real difference in the scheduling between LaVell
era and Bronco era. For every Pitt, there was a UTEP. For every Miami, there
was a UTEP. For every Texas A&M, there was an Arkansas State.
Provo4Life | 7:36 a.m. Nov. 22, 2011 PROVO, UT "Winning
percentage is often overblown."===Agreed.Winning is way over-rated.Give me a coach with a high losing
percentage anyday...("As for me and my house, we will take
LaVell..." I don't let my house make those kind of choices...)
Creating a ranking system where Bronco is above Lavell is a disgrace. The two
should not even be compared.
Provo4LifeBronco isn't done. Beating teams with winning
records isn't necessarily a divine sign. Utah beat us. Ironic that BYU is
discounted because of the competition we've played, yet the same folks are eager
to count us as a quality win. LaVell was the greatest. Bronco has
gotten off to a faster start.
@ rlsintxUhhh, look at the story headline. It was about
"football". Why would they bring up anything about wrestling or
anyother sport when the article is about Football?Please people read
the story headlines, then the article and then if you have a ligit comment,
Ok now I go back and look closer at the title. Don't post on messages until the
caffiene has kicked in and you are fully awake. My mistake.
This article was ranked great until the very end. There is no way that you can
put Bronco above what Lavell did. Bronco is a great coach and great for this
team, but there is no way that he is the best coach BYU has had. That is Coach
Edwards. You can't even begin to compare the two.
Never has a coach had such lopsided competition during his tenure (far more
cupcakes than any other coach, as compared to his teams' talent, on paper). With
fair competition, Bronco would likely have a losing record. We know that ... and
thus the article.
Congrats to Gary Crowton for coming in 4th. Imagine where he may have landed if
the Cougars had been more patient.
Winning percentage is often overblown. I want to know how the coaches peform
against ranked teams or teams with a winning record. That shows true greatness
because it allows us to see how they prepare a team and how they adjust during
close games. Take this season for example, we are 8-3 and still not happy with
the outcome of the season. We beat up on bad teams and play close with average
teams and lose to teams equal to our level. Lavell lost his share of games to
poor competition, but his body of work and where he took this program was
phenomenal. Even his bowl record stunk though, 7 bowl victories when he played
in 19? Bronco may have the highest winning percentage, but is far from the
greatest coach. As for me and my house, we will take LaVell
"Kopp was the only head coach in BYU history that was not LDS".That may be true for football, but the (men's) wrestling coach in the
late 70's was also not LDS. Fred Davis - coached almost 20 years I think