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  • Anonymous Infinity American Fork, UT
    Nov. 21, 2011 8:49 a.m.

    New Mexico State Aggies? What's an Aggie? Come on. They are out of the football business in New Mexico. The next thing we'll hear is that a Montana State or Montana, or an Idaho or Idaho State win was great. Let's just say that the Cougars as an independent had to fill in the weeks with teams, and nothing else was available. And now Hawaii to end the season. The best that can be said for this season is that it is a transition year into heaven only knows what as to a future possible affiliation with a conference that means something. The WCC for basketball doesn't make sense to me either. Obviously BYU is probably continuing to knock on the door of any number of conferences to enhance the bank account and take the pressure off the exorbitant costs of NCAA athletics for the university. You can't blame them. Playing teams from the Big Sky, the WAC, etc. type of conferences in my mind cannot generate any enthusiasm from us fans. Local news media should not characterize these victories as feathers in any cap at Cougarville. I am a Cougar fan want the teams to be competitive. No patsies.

  • tlaulu Taylorsville, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:10 p.m.

    Thank you WOLF for your comments. I would like to see the day when a Cougar and a Ute "shall lie down together without any ire". Just comment civilly on your own team and leave the other team alone.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:08 p.m.

    The Utah game was a blow-out, the TCU game was a loss. 10'poings is not a blow out, though a loss when you make so many errors still hurts.

    I think we have established that Utah is better than BYU this year, thanks for all the reminders. But seriously, will you not acknowledge that the PAC 12 is mediocre at best, and that Utah is a less than mediocre team in a mediocre conference.

    Does it somehow help you feel better about yourself to keep ragging on it, go for it. But no matter how you posture, you got taken to OT by the team that is the UNLV of it's conference. I just think the arrogance is unwarranted, and you may yet regret the team you play in a bowl.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:39 p.m.

    1. Congrats to these seniors who have probably worked hard without any acclaim for four years and got to enjoy scoring touchdowns in their last home game. It was a nice touch by Doman to design plays for them.

    2. For the posters comparing PAC-12 cellar dweller WSU with Division 1 cellar dweller NMSU, give me a break. It is true that WSU is a bottom feeder in the PAC-12. But they would probably have finished in third place in the MWC this year. And they are MUCH better than NMSU, Idaho, Idaho State, etc. They beat Idaho State 64-21 (similar to the beatdown BYU gave the vandals). They beat UNLV 59-7.

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:35 p.m.

    Nice game cogs. Good luck to these seniors. As for Jake great job, keep tearing it up, I have said it along that you should have been in there. I hope you tear it up, help get the WINS for your team, have all these band wagon jumpers who called for your head, get all excited and warm inside and realize how good you are, just in time to lower the boom and say good bye BYU.

    I don't blame you at all.

  • Wolf Portland, OR
    Nov. 20, 2011 6:26 p.m.

    @ClarkHippo

    Wrong, my comment had nothing to do with not being able to take criticism. I welcome well-thought-out and reasoned criticism. What I find pathetic is the specific type of criticism I identified. If a BYU fan wants to point out that the Utes have not beaten any top ten teams this year, that's fine. I agree. But what many BYU fans are doing is trying to argue that BYU's wins this year are equal to Utah's wins - or are not significantly different. That is a pathetic argument. Not because they are offering criticism, but because anyone who has a basic grasp of the qualitative difference between the various college football programs knows that the argument is stunningly ridiculous.

    Also, I never heard any Ute fans talking about a national championship this year. (I am not saying there were not any - every fan base has some juvenile posters that make stupid comments). But no one in a significant position in the Ute program made such bold predictions. The closest someone came to declaring a possible NC this year was the BYU head coach. Perhaps you have mistaken him for an ill-informed Ute fan.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 5:29 p.m.

    Washington State would roll over BYU.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 5:06 p.m.

    ClarkHippo,

    The same should be said to BYU. I remember such things as...

    "BYU will dominate the U this year because the Y has so many returning starters and one of the best O lines in the country. We have an elite 11 quarterback that started to develop and get really good after last year. Be ready for a smackdown."

    Oh, and don't forget "The Quest for Perfection".

    Seriously? BYU is the most over-hyped team in the nation. Nothing but talk from fans and players. The Utes quietly go about their seasons doing their talking on the field.

    BYU is on their way to their 26th pre-season National Championship around June.

    Come next summer, we will hear so much about how great this BYU team will be.

    So, may I kindly tell you what you tell all Ute fans?

    If you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. And if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 4:41 p.m.

    @Wolf 2:42

    You said, "Any Y fan bashing the Utes SOS is really pathetic."

    In other words, Ute fans can dish it out but they can't take it, right?

    What happen to the Ute team that was going to roll evryone this year, just like you did Alabama in 2008?

    Is the Ute football team still planning to hang a National Championship banner up this year, just as all their fans predicted they would, again and again and again during the off season?

    "Mark it Down!" Ute fans kept saying.

    "Write it down!"

    Okay, we did mark it down. Now, because of your losses this year, you expect everyone to shut their mouth while you continue to hit your BYU pinata?

    Sorry Ute fans. If you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. And if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

  • In Stitches Provo, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 4:15 p.m.

    hrs4

    "He's been treated so horribly by the coaching staff." You keep posting this hoping if you state it enough, people will believe you. But you cannot actually give any specific examples.

    I have challenged you to do this numerous times and each time you could not.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 4:11 p.m.

    Old miss won one game this year and you beat them by 1 point. Is that a quality win?

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 4:02 p.m.

    Byu is beating the worst teams in the wac, which is the worst fbs conference. Utah is beating the worst teams in the Pac, which is one of the best conferences in the country. Big difference.

  • camera2head west jordan, utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 3:39 p.m.

    What a great moment for those Byu Seniors that got more playing time than usual. Gotta be an incredible feeling going into the game knowing its going to be completely uncompetitive. All final games of the season should be scheduled with NOTHING on the line. Empty the benches,everyone gets to play.Everyone gets an orange slice and a snickers bar at halftime.Then get your senior snuggy and a hug from Roscoe. Kinda reminds me of a jr.jazz game. I gotta stop now cause im getting all misty eyed!

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 3:22 p.m.

    Did some people forget to read the story. It is not about Bronco or the Coaching staff it is about a Cougar win on senior night. Enough said!!

  • Wolf Portland, OR
    Nov. 20, 2011 2:42 p.m.

    Yes, there are too many Ute fans on here unnecessarily insulting the BYU football program. But before you Y fans get too irate or start posting about some U fans' obsession with all things BYU, please note the following:

    1. The first post on this board was from eastcoastcoug suggesting the Y may be better than the U despite the 44 point drubbing a couple months ago - I thought you all moved past that game..

    2. Some U fans' obsession with all thins BYU seems to be equally matched by some Y fans' obsession with all things Ute. Don't believe me, check out the large number of Y fans on the U boards (and here) insulting the Utes' SOS.

    3. Any Y fan bashing the Utes' SOS is really pathetic. If you really believe the bottom teams in the PAC-12 are no better than the bottom teams of the WAC or the MWC, you really need to reconsider your competence to comment on college football.

    4. Yes, the U currently has a terrible, although rebuilding, bball program. But to bring up bball on football boards is just sad and demonstrates BYU fans' desperate need to save face.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Nov. 20, 2011 2:07 p.m.

    EastCoastCoug - wins over below average teams from below average conferences don't mean much. Focus on congratulating your seniors for what they gave your program and not 'what if' based on beating a lot of soft team.

  • truth_avenger Lehi, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 1:44 p.m.

    Mendenhall has a losing record against winning teams. Doman would have a hard time coaching at the high school level and Heaps has shown Great skill against nothing teams from nothing schools. Utah humiliated them and has gone on to keep winning. Utah State would have been another loss had Heaps not been pulled. TCU owns them. As long as Bronco surrounds himself with yes men BYU will slip further into irrelevance. Pack Heaps in his Prius and send him to the tennis team; send Doman to coaching school and tell Bronco to talk about something besides winning against junior colleges. It isn't fun to watch them walk all over little schools when schools of equal size destroy them--and let's not even talk about what Boise State would do to them. Did anyone catch USC and Oregon? Do you even think BYU could play to that level of competition? Not with the current staff.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 1:31 p.m.

    @roberto

    "@Bleedred 6:31 you have a touch of class. Thanks"

    Welcome

  • hrs4 Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 1:02 p.m.

    They should have honored Heaps with the seniors. That is the last game he'll ever play for BYU in Provo. He's been treated so horribly by the coaching staff.

  • hoghead sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:39 p.m.

    @patriot
    thank you oh wise one. I nominate you to determine all teams that deserve to go to a college bowl. Please, also nominate which basketball teams should be regulated out of the NCAA and into NAIA (I think coach K would be above .500 with that competition.)

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:32 p.m.

    An 8-3 record is normally an indication of a pretty good year... but when your wins are against teams like New Mexico St, San Jose State, Idaho, Idaho St. and you get blown out but Utah and TCU I think you have to realistically consider that with only one quality win all year (Ole Miss) you probably don't deserve a bowl game - even a minor bowl like the Armed Forces bowl. I think there probably needs to be some sort of power ranking to go with number of wins - to qualify for a bowl game otherwise going to a bowl game means little.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:24 p.m.

    Watching Heaps has been frustrating this season. I've always felt that he was the better choice (between he and Nelson) because of the upside, but I have to admit that I'm now starting to wonder. There are two reasons:
    1. Nelson brings out the best in his teammates. When he is at the helm everyone elevates their game. I don't know if this is because he is a more natural leader, has more experience, or if it's just a fluke... but receivers don't drop his passes and everyone plays with a little more passion. Advantage: Nelson.
    2. Heaps throws too many bullets. It's true that he has amazing arm strength, and when he is comfortable (playing lesser defenses) he is pretty accurate. However, I now believe the arm strength is actually a detriment. He is hitting his targets, but because he's putting so much on the throws the receivers rarely can catch them in stride and get significant yards after catch. So, instead of great slants going for 20-30 yards they usually stop at 5-10. Nelson doesn't have a great arm but he gives his teammates opportunities to make plays. Advantage: Nelson.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    LVCoug,

    I can comment whichever article I feel like.

    Don't be bashin Washington St. of the PAC when your team played New Mexico St. of who knows what conference.

  • bigt431413 MAGNA, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:14 p.m.

    7 of 8 wins are against teams that cannot become bowl eligible because they won't win 6 games. The 3 losses are to teams that are already bowl eligible. Hmmmmmmmm. Impressive. NOT!!!!!!!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 12:08 p.m.

    Funny stuff from Ute trolls, especially since they needed overtime to beat WSU, a perrenial bottom feeder. They will be Utah's new rivals---because they're COUGARS! Ha-ha-ha.....enjoy BBall season!

  • roberto Moses Lake, WA
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    @Bleedred 6:31 you have a touch of class. Thanks

  • LVCoug NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:43 a.m.

    Hey Utes, how about you go troll your own articles, heralding a 3 point OT win over a sub .500 bottom dweller, and let us honor our seniors. You can use the time you save to get geeked up for next week's great contest with Colorado. Here's hoping you can dispatch them in regulation.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Nov. 20, 2011 11:16 a.m.

    Ute fans, thanks for watching and caring. Your team barely beat a team that has been as bad or worse than NMS for the last few years. There are probably some high school teams in Washington that could beat both the Utes and WSU.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    Gosh these seniors sure are neat.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 10:53 a.m.

    The local yocals from such international locations such as Sandy are the first to mention BYU and the last to mention that their team is squeaking by the PAC-12 left overs. The utes joined the PAC-12 so they could be assured of playing their bowl game in Las Vegas, something they couldn't do in the MWC.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 10:48 a.m.

    eastcoastcoug,

    They haven't improved, they are just playing a cupcake football team.

    I expect any QB at D1 level to play better against New MExico St. and Idaho...

    You can only measure how good a team has become by worthy competition.

  • eagle Provo, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 9:49 a.m.

    While I think in some ways the change was needed to go to Nelson to fire up the Cougs a bit, in the end against subpar competition, Nelson is no better/worse than Heaps. Now the Cougs have a real dilemma especially when it comes to the bowl game and next year.

  • KamUte South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 9:46 a.m.

    East Coast Coug.

    Heaps does show intensity against high school competition. BYU would still lose but it might be closer. Heaps panics under pressure. The teams that pressured heaps allowed him to make bad decisions. The tough defenses hurt BYU. The princess defenses make BYU look terrific. Look at the stats.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 9:33 a.m.

    Just wait, we will all see how many people say "Jake Heaps has found his game, he is Heisman material after the last 2 games in a row."

    How predictable.

  • Luv 2 Troll U Sandy, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 9:12 a.m.

    New Mexico State.... remind me, which school district are they in again?

    It looks like a yawner, an empty comment board and an empty stadium.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:59 a.m.

    Who is the Y going to play next week? Westminster?

  • kokua KAYSVILLE, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    Terrific send off for all the seniors. The Aggies from New Mexico State appeared to be ready with some impressive plays that moved them down field in the first quarter. Wow the Cougars could be in for a game.

    However, mediocrity set in with the Aggies play book and the Cougar defense throttled up and brought the proverbial " Wood " yes it was lights out.

    Heaps was able to tie the average point spread that Aggie opponent's score against them. You do need to subtract out the 7 points that New Mexico State scored which puts the Cougars right at 35 points.

    So good game the Cougars hit most of the pre-objectives and polished up the BYU 2011 season to 8-3 and with a win in Hawaii, cross your fingers, a 9-3 season is respectable.

    Aloha

  • Sense Maker SANDY, UT
    Nov. 20, 2011 8:21 a.m.

    How wonderful that these two seniors were able to shine for the first time.

  • Honor Code Denver, Colorado
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:54 a.m.

    It's great to see BYU's leadership once again pounce on a Pee Wee Football Team.

    One day you want your Independence and the next day you want back into a weaker conference (Big East) than you just left. Amazing!

  • Randy01 Lees Summit, MO
    Nov. 20, 2011 7:31 a.m.

    It is interesting to note that other than the standard AP stories on USC and Baylor, nothing has been posted relative to the absolute confusion that the BCS has been plunged into. The BCS system is likely facing its greatest crisis and it isn't a result of a mid-major program going undefeated against mediocre to poor competition, but of rising second tier BCS conference programs.

    Baylor, Iowa State, NC State, and USC have now done their part. Arkansas could finish it off on Friday with an upset of LSU. The BCS was always set up to benefit the traditional powers not conferences, but conferences are proving stronger than the BCS. LSU has clearly been the best team in the country to date and they deserve their ranking, but what happens if Arkansas beats them in Baton Rouge? Who should play for the mythical national championship? 6 to 7 teams have an argument and the conferences will be pitted against each other.

    I can't help but think that if BYU was 10-1 right now that the Utah papers would be all over this and clamoring for action.

  • BleedRed Sandy, Utah
    Nov. 20, 2011 6:31 a.m.

    Thanks for the memories seniors!

    Im going to bite my tongue and not mention the 54 - 10 memory.

    Actually a great bunch of guys that when they signed, had no idea the path their AD would lead their team down.

    Hang in there Band of Lil Brothers

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Nov. 20, 2011 5:03 a.m.

    It would be interesting to play Utah now with Heaps and special teams vastly improved. Obviously both teams are playing the bottom of their schedule so they have improved scores and some wins. I just don't think 54-10 would be the outcome now.

    Heaps actually looked like he had some intensity and field vision last night with some great passes (first I've seen it).