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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 15 2011 7:50 p.m. MST

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giantfan
Farmington, UT

"Because the Bowl Alliance failed to include the Pac-10, Big Ten (and the Rose Bowl) and so-called "mid-major" conferences, the Bowl Alliance was reformed just three years after it began. BYU's persistent performance opened the door for mid-major conferences to participate in upper-tier bowls as well. In 1996, despite 18 conference championships in 23 years, one of the winningest records in college football and a #5 ranking in the AP poll, BYU was excluded from a Bowl Alliance bowl and was relegated to the Cotton Bowl beating Kansas State to finish the season 141. Now the Bowl Coalition was also at risk of anti-trust because of the monopoly on the bowls. LaVell Edwards, BYU Coach, testified in Congress at that time about the inherent unfairness in recruiting for teams who were excluded from bowls simply because of conference affiliation. With the pressure of potential Congressional action, the Bowl Alliance reformed into the Bowl Championship Series that not only included the Big Ten and the Pac-10 conference but also cracked open the door to allow the possibility of a "mid-major" team's participation." -- Wikipedia

Just the FAX
Olympus Cove, Utah

giantfan

Some fans are so blinded by their hatred that they refuse to accept the truth:

There was NOTHING special about Utah that got the Utes into a BCS bowl ahead of Marshall, Tulane, or BYU except for the fortunate timing of rules changes forced upon the BCS by other programs.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Naval Vet,

"Actually, the cougars would not have considered this move with Boise State. Period. Because without BSU, the cougars don't get an invite."

You're always harping about proof. Do you mind citing some proof for the above statement? Boise State did go on record to say that they'd like to have a western partner but that's all you've got. How is that proof that BYU would not have been otherwise invited? We all know you are not privy to all the discussion that has gone on with Provo but you act like you are. Mind providing some proof then?

What I am able to deduce by your litany of inane comments about the school you love to hate is you'll do anything to show them in a lessor light, that you would sooner kick your dog then admit to anything praiseworthy about BYU. Any psychologist could see that you harbor some serious insecurities when it comes to BYU and you were probably hurt very badly by them once upon a time. You hinted towards something when you said "revoke earned degrees" or something like that. It's so much more personal than "BYU just isn't up to snuff".

giantfan
Farmington, UT

Naval Vet,

Maybe you're the guy that was not awarded his BYU degree because of the Missionaries with their shirts of Calendar thing. What was his name? Or maybe you're just an admirer of his and that's what soured you on BYU. Who knows but your dislike for BYU is certainly deep and personal. Sad, really.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Naval Vet

Spin away, but you failed miserably.

BYU is the lynchpin to the whole Big East - West Division plan to save the Big East.

Without BYU to solidify the division, Boise State isn't going to join. Without BYU and Boise State, the Big East is in dire straits trying to preserve its BCS AQ status.

It's been Boise State and Big East officials who have been mounting the full-court press to try to convince BYU to join the conference, NOT the other way around.

Army and Navy were wante to give Air Force incentive to join, but Boise State wanted more than just Air Force to establish a western presence in the conference.

btw, we're still waiting on those television revenue numbers you reneged on posting.

Freight Train
Houston, TX

As a BYU fan I'm not sure if the Big East is better than independence at this point. I guess we'll have to see how things really shape up and if the BigE keeps BCS status after the 2013 evaluation. I'm with Bronco, my guess would be "yes". But you never know...
BYU should only consider accepting this invite IF it can keep it's ESPN deal and broadcast on BYUtv (in addition to other minimums), and I think that's how they're approaching it.
How bout BigE for all sports???? Granted, the distance is too much, but I sure would like to see BYU BASKETBALL in the BigE!

truthserum
LEHI, UT

This is great for BYU. Easiest access to the BCS for them yet, which was the ultimate goal. Great news!

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Naval Vet

The giant elephant in the corner that you continue to ignore is the political landscape that will prevent the BCS from pulling a restructured Big East's BCS AQ status.

Despite your unquenchable BYU hatred, the Big East isn't going to lose its AQ status if BYU and BSU join the conference.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Just the FAX | 3:30 p.m. Nov. 16, 2011
Olympus Cove, Utah

Need a tissue?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@naval lint

I said I "personally know that Big East officials were in Tom Holmoes office". In otherwords I PERSONALLY KNEW that Big East officals were in Tom Holmoes office. There you go. I knew it, I told you I knew it, and now you know it as well. No I didn't read it in a newspaper or a blog, no I didn't hear it on the radio, no I didn't see it on tv. I knew it because I know someone that matters and they told me.

Now of course that wasn't going to satisfy you but I really didn't care if it did. I see that now it has been printed in a paper and you can no longer deny it your tactic is to claim I didn't really know and just got lucky. Kinda like I didn't really know about quite a few other things that have happened and just got lucky then as well.

The truth is you are the one that doesn't actually "know" anything. Frankly every single claim you have made on this subject has turned out to be wrong. Mine have all been correct. So who is it that doesn't "know"?

Kosta Fesenko
Chicken McNuggetville, UT

here is one ute fan who wishes BYU luck no matter where they go. I like the potential for byu in this Big East conference. If they can keep their ESPN deal, then go for it.

DC
Alexandria, VA

229 comments and counting. I wonder what university people in Utah are more interested in? Utah is Cougar country, no matter where they play or how they play.

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"There was NOTHING special about Utah that got the Utes into a BCS bowl ahead of Marshall, Tulane, or BYU except for the fortunate timing of rules changes . . ."

FAX:

Is it that cougies can't learn, or won't learn?

Utah was undefeated AND ranked BCS 6th in '04, blowing out the Y. Tulane didn't crash the BCS in '98 because, while undefeated, they were ranked 7th--however they crushed BYU in the Liberty Bowl; undefeated Marshall achieved a No. 10 rank in '99, thumping BYU in the Liberty Bowl. BYU lost to Mississippi State to take themselves out of the BCS picture in '01, then underscored their undeserving status by losing to Louisville in the Liberty Bowl.

Wait, I DO see a common BYU thread!

The BCS rules were changed after the '03 season because of the split NC decision between LSU and USC. BYU's epic fails in '98, '99 and '01 had nothing to do with it. And remember that there were still only 4 BCS bowls in the '04-'05 season. The BCS championship game, creating 2 more slots, wasn't added until '06 when Boise State became the second BCS-buster.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

giantfan,

Boise St did more than suggest they'd like a western partner. Their acceptance was contingent on the formation of a West Division. That is documented on ESPN and several other national sports media outlets. That condition meant the Big East had to find 4 or 5 more teams out west to complete that division and BYU was selected as one of those.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

BYU Obsessed at 4:08 p.m.

We could all use a tissue from laughing so hard at the inane comments of the Utah trolls.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Duckhunter,

You are right, the Big East wants BYU, but only because they need them to form the West Division Boise State has demanded. They want Boise State more than BYU as evidenced by the invite extended long before BYU's invite came.

River Master
Lehi, UT

The only sure thing is to get into the Big East because we don't really know if the AQ status or BCS system will go away or not. I doubt it will because all or most of the BCS conferences would have to agree and not all the conferences want that. The pros far outway the cons so BYU should go or it may be too late.

In response to all these claims that the Big East will lose it's status, the rankings which determine that will date back the last several years for each team even when they were not in the conference. That means with Houston, BYU, UCF, Boise in the mix the Big East will be just fine and not lose it's AQ status.

If the AQ statuses go away than that's just fine - we can go independent again.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

DC

Couldn't agree more. Our young friends on the hill are totally obsessed with all things BYU. Can't blame them, but it is a bit creepy having them stalk BYU 24/7.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

Navalboy is sure sounding nervous.

He has been so misguided and wrong on just about every point he's attempted to make for a year and a half now, that at this point in time, it's just sad..
Like the black-knight in Monty Python, he will not quit with his silly arguments, even when relegated to a stump.

What has him so distraught is that schools from all over this Nation want BYU,
and yes, they have indeed visited the BYU campus and have indeed been very impressed.

They value BYU's Academics, ranked 71st Nationally, putting them 2nd or 3rd in the new Big East (Utah is ranked 124th, tenth in the Pac.) They also see value in BYU's National fan-base and Brand.

BYU is actually being courted, as they were with the Big12, it's a fact the Big East can be more pragmatic than the other Conferences and BYU as "Football Only" and the possibility of them keeping most of their TV deals makes this very possible.

Navalint knows BYU could have more time on the National Stage than Utah will.
As a textbook Obsessive Compulsive Personality, the one thing Naval fears the most, is BYU.

truthserum
LEHI, UT

Utah and BYU fans are neighbors. The way we treat each other is embarrassing. Would love to see more civil discourse and less back biting between the two fan bases. It's quite frankly some of the most juvenile text I've ever read.

Talking about academic rankings, who's afraid of who, etc... pathetic.

Utah is in the Pac 12 - a phenomenal conference, no doubt.
BYU is likely to enter the Big East - a tradition rich conference as well.

Here's to both institutions bringing more respect, exposure and recognition to the state.

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