I read this article and thought, Good for them! These two young men
have looked at the state of the country and the economy and aren't falling into
the traps many of us have thinking that we can "get away" with getting
into debt now and that magically everything will be better later. The hard truth
is great jobs don't come, student loans can't be refinanced to lower interest
rates (ours is at a shocking at 8.25%), credit card debt is debilitating and the
stock market is not something to be trusted. My two oldest in college wouldn't
be going without scholarships and jobs. They also refuse to go into debt.I simply don't understand why we're still expecting the rising
generation to follow the financial paths we did. It's obvious those paths are
crumbling. Why is it so unusual to see young adults bucking our trends? We
should be praising their forethought!Personally, I'm just a tad
jealous of them. I wished I hadn't listened to all the older adults around me
giving me advice that has financially crippled us now. I wished we could have
been as forward planning as these young men.
Good for these guys. For too long, young people have assumed that they deserve
a trendy apartment, a car, the latest mountain bike, a credit card to eat out
with, and fashionable clothing. Debt fueled their wants for a few years, and
even got them into nice homes on the benches. But that same debt came back to
bite them when economic storm clouds gathered.Having said that, it
is important to not be penny wise and pound foolish. So stay away from big
debt, but use it sparingly if it can help you boost your productivity and value
in the marketplace. Also, lose the fear of investing. Blue Chip, dividend
paying stocks, if accumulated slowly over time, are probably the best ticket to
financial security you can find. It is not "get rich quick". And you
have to ignore the constant gloom and doom predictions and market pundits. But
the dividends accumulate and compound, and after a few years, you'll be
surprised how quickly it adds up.
I hope people realize that the last 35 years wasn't a real economic boom but a
boom brought on by borrowing. Unfortunately our money system is only designed
for us to borrow more and more money or the country will fail.
wow - I wouldn't want to sit by them in class - dirt, camp fire smoke and sweat.
I would think they will be getting snow soon too - then what????
ONE BIG QUESTION for those who choose to live this way: Who
do they think is paying for all the " FREEBIES" That they enjoy ???
Being frugal is one thing but eating free and showering free ( like who pays For
the water and who pays to heat the water and who pays for the room you shower in
)and all the other freebies they are using is being paid for by someone else.If
everyone did this it would impossible to make any thing work in our
country.Maybe there is a free class they can take to help them see the daylight
of reality.---- and is this really honest ---.
Good for them. As for deseret pete I do not any difference between their taking
freebies and the thirty percent of society that live off the rest of us by not
paying their share of taxes and living off food stamps.
These guys are pretty tough, but this is nothing new. I went to Utah State in
2002 and had a handful of friends doing the same thing. A documentary was made
about them. The business of educating was getting out of hand before the rest of
the country went into financial crisis. I'm glad these guys are trying to avoid
debt as much as possible.
The two men use on-campus showers, free lockers to store food and clothes and
keep a schedule of events that serve free food on campus all in the name of debt
aversion and saving a penny.Lets see enjoying a taxpayer funded
education. Free food, bath facilities etc. I always thought that was called
I would have admired these young men more if it hadn't said that they shower for
free on campus and know all the schedules where they can get free food. Being
frugal is one thing, living off others is a whole other thing. And
yes tom_e, it is just like those not paying taxes or living off food stamps when
they are physically able to work but choose not to. Nobody could live off of
only working 12 hours a week without support from someone somewhere. I wouldn't
have as much problem with the "freebies" they take if it said that
they were working 20-30 hours a week and full-time students doing all they can
and still can't make ends meet.I don't mean to sound too crictical,
I still do admire them for avoiding debt and unnecessary expenses, something
many people yound and old alike don't understand. Maybe someday, with increased
knowlege and their frugal ways, they will amass great wealth and give
scholarships to future students like themselves. Now that would be awesome!
These two pay tuition to their school, which means that the lockers, showers and
school sponsored events aren't technically free. Paying rent to a off campus
land lord wouldn't increase their financial input to the school. They have
every right to use those emenities.
I'm really not impressed. Makes me wonder how they would support a family. One
mentioned wanting to find a sugar mama? And this is something to be proud of? I
believe they know how to use the system. Happiness means you work for what you
get and not take from others. I hope they wake up someday form their so called
Tom Joad@deseret pete: Of course it's honest. The student's are paying
tuition and fees. If the University wanted to charge an extra fee for use of the
showers, they would and could.
This seems a bit extreme and way out of the norm. But, kudos to them for not
going into debt. They will appreciate that decision in the near future. In
school, I held one or two part-time jobs and my wife worked full time, but we
were able to afford a basement apartment and drove a little pickup truck that
was held together mostly by rust. We had a great time, but it's a personal
choice. You do what you can afford.Today, I'm grateful to be in a
position now to help my kids pay for school without them accumulating massive
debt. They go to a school we can afford.
These guys aren't trying to support families. They're trying to get through
college with no debt. Kudos to them.They will be able to
support families in the future especially with no debts hanging over them.
tom_e said:"Good for them. As for deseret pete I do not any
difference between their taking freebies and the thirty percent of society that
live off the rest of us by not paying their share of taxes and living off food
stamps."Nice to see you support living off society. Eric
is looking in the wrong direction. Don't look for a sugar mama. I have the
perfect match for you, sugar obama! Its great, you don't have to work for a
living, other than protest and complain. You are guaranteed a paycheck.Well, time for me to work. Somewhere out there, a freeloader is taking
advantage of my taxes.
If the Millenials practice this philosophy en masse, then there is hope for our
I always dreamed of living up in the canyon while I was a student at BYU. I
almost did it. However, then I made the a move that would forever change my
financial obligations -- I got married and had kids. No living in a tent for us
now, unless we go camping as a family.
I travel that way, living out of a tent instead of 40 bucks toward Motel 6 or
whatever. I have slept in a car instead of paying for a hotel. But . . . to
live this way full time? What about hygiene? Credit Cards get a bad rap, if
you are responsible and pay off the balance then you get zero interest, cash
back, rebates, and free accounting. There is a difference between being frugal
and simply cheap, smooching off others.
When I was in college my tuition didn't cover a place to shower and free
food.And i don't think it is honest or right to do so.If all students did
what they are doing some thing would have to change fast to stay in business.
But then we could ask the taxpayers to come up with more money to support the
state schools.Maybe they don't need as much as they think if tuition covers food
and other so called freebies that most hard working students provide for
themselves.Nothing is free--- some one some where has to pay.Each of us has had
our struggles to save and get by as cheap as we can, especially in hard times,
But to do so at the expense of someone slse is not right unless that someone
else gives you permission to mooch of them.
My brother lived in a tent on the Provo River in the 1970's while a college
student till he was cited for illegal camping, and in the 1980's my husband
found a little used back stairway in a college building to set up digs for a few
months, till he was discovered and asked to move. There isn't much new about
this type of thing, especially among males. And there is certainly
nothing new about college students not saving or investing. Since when did we
expect that?All that's new here is Facebook, the internet, and the
ability for people to broadcast their experiences.
This is all fine and dandy, but what about their home teachers? And which
student Ward are they in?
@deseret pete: Why isn't is honest? How do you know the cost of the showers
isn't part of the student fees? Because I'm quite certain that it actually
is.As the university does not charge for use of the showers, therefore it
is not dishonest for anyone to use them. I could drive to USU, play basketball
in one of the gyms then take a shower without paying for it. It is obviously
provided for free so how can it be considered stealing?How is a shower
mooching?Beaches in California provide a free shower for surfers or
swimmers? Is it honest if a surfer showers off but if a homeless person uses the
same shower does it become dishonest?
Living off campus freebies is not much different from the massive higher-ed
complex of faculty and bureaucrats who live off the futures of the students and
taxpayers. While many faculty and staff are productive, just as many
are in fluff positions that drive up the cost of tuition and taxes. As one
university colleague said to me, after he voted for a liberal Governor, "I
always vote conservative, except when it comes to my job."Unfortunately, the two institutions most resistant to change are religions and
universities. I have worked with every college/university in Utah and many
throughout America; the cronyism, turfism, and inefficiencies are as vast in
Utah as anywhere.Please, Governor and Legislators, don't be afraid
of the folks in robes. Remember the workers and the future generations.
It sounds like from the tone of this article that Mellennials haven't learned
anything from the financial disasters around them, they have just become afraid
and are going to the extreme opposite. L e a r n from mistakes of
others, don't run the opposite direction out of fear. Lessons to
learn:Stop being talked into get-rich schemes, "flipping" homes
as a way to quick and easy wealth, using your "good credit" to borrow
to get more and bigger stuff, buying large homes because a bank tells you you
can, not because your paycheck can really afford them, just because a credit
card company says you can use a certain amount of money doesn't mean you should.
(Sheeze- we're a stupid generation.) Learn to be satisfied and walk
a little slower in life. Maybe work more and go to school less so you don't have
to go to such extremes to avoid debt. It will take you longer to graduate, but
so what?Finally, talk to the generation that lived through the Great
Depression before they all disappear. Generally they really learned wise
lessons and lived them.
As others have said, this is nothing new. The biggest thing I got from the
article was a confirmation of just how wasteful the government is. I just cannot
believe that they pay someone $9.50/hr to measure rooms. This info already
exists in the building plans and blueprints. What a completely worthless waste
of time and money. If I were a student there I would demand a chat with the dean
and president to know why they keep raising my tuition to pay for wasteful
things like this and their exorbitant salary.