I can't believe that there's this many comments on such an irrelevant sport as
I think anyone making more that $500,000 a year should be prohibited from union
membership. If you're worth more than that, shop your own skills to the highest
bidder and let competition, owners, and the free market decide your worth. Set
a revenue sharing formula to encourage a broad and vibrant league, and if owners
choose to pay their players so much that it's not covered by earned and shared
revenue, and they lose money and bankrupt their organization, so be it. More
intelligent business people will pick up the ball and run with it.
I'll enjoy College Basketball even more this year...........when and if the NBA
returns, it will take years to bring back the fans!! And also may I mention that
there's going to be a lot of foreclosures on Mansions all over the country!!
those nba people said "what economy?" Well who cares about them and
who need them? Jimmer you might as well go over sea.
Yeesh, this is going to get super ugly. I was probably one of the only people
who thought the players were giving up way too much for the deal, but that last
one offered was soooooo close. I blame Stern for being too strict
and the players for being needy. They really didn't need some of the clauses and
in this type of negotiation, not everyone should come out happy.The
NBPA disbanding is the best news to come out of this. The association didn't
represent the players fully. Hunter and Fisher should be fired bigtime because
they didn't put this thing to a vote. I'm surprised with how awful they led
this. They should've decertified in July if they were going to do this.
The players are hoping that history will repeat itself--that
entertainment-addicted fans will have a short memory and forgive quickly,
refilling the stadiums after a short, lame "boycott." We've seen it in
other professional sports. I would expect nothing different here. Because it is
a lot bigger than just the fans. Local businesses, sponsors, sports apparel and
equipment companies and sports media stand to lose billions, and once a
settlement is reached, these entities will promote and promote the NBA and
their star players until the lockout is a distant memory in the fans minds. There is a lot of vitriol from the fans right now, but you wait--5 yrs
from now people will say, "what lockout?"The players are
counting on the American public's addiction to entertainment. And in my humble
opinion, they are probably right.
How on earth do players who had absolutely nothing to do with making the NBA a
success, have no investment of their own involved, and get paid in one year what
the rest of us will be lucky to make in our entire lifetime justify not
splitting revenues 50/50 with the business people that make their profession
possible?The awful attempts to justify the players by saying they
can only play a few years or that they work hard to get there forget that all of
us work just as hard and go to school in the hope that someday we'll maybe have
a job that pays $100,000 a year. I live quite well on a salary much less than 5
million.When anyone retires from the NBA they can still keep working
a normal job like the rest of us. It's as if that's beneath them.Somehow John Stockton made millions a year and yet showed respect to the game,
owners, and those paying to watch him play. What I wouldn't give to have that
"Jimmer is the one I feel bad for. He has worked many long and hard hours
to get to this point and now this happens... I was looking forward to cheering
for him and would love to be sitting near Oconner, Miller, etc. And yelling
"you got JIMMERD" when he lights the Jazz up as they passed him
up."Burks jimmered Jimmer at the charity game. He couldn't miss
from downtown.As for all you people who claim to be season ticket
holders wanting to boycoot the NBA, I will be right beside you when we are the
first in line after they open the doors again. There is no credible belief that
any of you will boycott the Jazz or the NBA.
Again, I ask who gave these players all this money in the first place? The
owners. Nobody put a gun to ANY of these owner's heads and said give me X amount
a million dollars. The raving of most of these posters is curious. Again, both
sides negotiated these players' salaries. Team representatives sat down with
players and their agents. Again nobody was forced to do anything.Now
the latest move by the players is understandably frustrating. I can argue it is
even stupid. But the owners started it all. It was a lock out and not a strike.
As for players being overpaid. Well, a lot of people on these D-News
blogs are all about capitalism. Well, it's just capitalism at work pure and
simple. in reality nobody is worth 20 million dollars to shoot a basketball
through a hoop, unless some owner who wants ti win games to satisfy large egos
(let's not let these guys skate here) hires somebody to do that for that amount
of money--then I guess they are worth the money.And another thing,
no player has asked me, a taxpayer, to subsidize their salary. Owners and
stadiums? Different story.
Jimmer is the one I feel bad for. He has worked many long and hard hours to get
to this point and now this happens... I was looking forward to cheering for him
and would love to be sitting near Oconner, Miller, etc. And yelling "you
got JIMMERD" when he lights the Jazz up as they passed him up.On another thought. .. Yes the players make on average over 5 mill per year,
but they also dedicated their whole lives, and every waking second, not to
mention the hundreds of thousands of hours working on their game to get NBA
level.This being said, I support the owners in this.And
one more thought, how much money does a Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, etc. Make in
ONE movie? Probably more then 5 million. Im sure they have probably turned down
roles for not enough money, but it doesnt make public. Or Bruce Springstein in
one night... I'm sure a lot.The NBA , along with music and movies is
entertainment. That's where the money is, and we as a society need to revalue
Anyone who is in the players camp is crazy. No respect for tradition, honor, or
the game. The players could care less about the fans. At the end of the day the
owners have more invested in the game and the cities they they are a part of. My
prayers do go out to those who need the revenue that the games generate. The
players, the agents, and most of the sports media have made things very hard for
you. I hope that the owners get everything they are asking for. The players? Who
needs them? There will always be players today's star will be...we know this
story dont we.
My feelings are somewhat different from most of you in that I am thankful the
owners stood strong against this crazyness. Now the players and media will get
just what greedy people deserve and hopefully the owners will get theirs also
when we the fans boycott all of their future activities! Greed is a very
dangerous thing for a minority group to do, and considering to overwhelming
number of fans and citizens that have paid for these greeds demands for too
long, now and in the future will be their day of reckoning. As for the owners
they to have a big part in this greed thing also. They have invested true, but
the returns they expect are unreal, and they too will find out in the future.
Citizens and fans "just" don't need all of the entertainment out there
today and the greeds will realize this very soon!
If what happened during the NHL lockout is any indication, the players will be
lucky to get anything that they want from here on out. They are going to loose
all of their money they would have made this year and get a smaller portion of
the pie for the next ten years. To say that the players made a
mistake by not accepting this last deal would be the understatement of the
century.The owners now have ALL of the power.
I hope the owners win in court!!!! The players need to make less money and not
get everything they want. The players are just like a two year old alway crying,
and want the owners to babysit them and give them what they want. Well its time
to spank the babies and get them to behave. You go owners.
I actually think this mess will end up altering the entitlement culture that is
the NBA. If the season is canceled, i will take my time supporting anything next
year. I am learning to live without basketball along with millions of
fans..something very financially dangerous for the NBA.
It's important to support the small market teams, and if the players don't care
about that enough, they should. I support unions in principle, but I was in a
company once that was run so smoothly...it was great...and then union reps came
in and turned the heads of a few lazy older guys who liked the idea of
seniority. Take out lazy and put in greedy and you might see the faces of some
NBA stars. I want to see the young players play...be great to see the five
youngest Jazz players go on an exhibition tour...play the Globetrotters or
something. Hey Portland fan...we are cool about Wesley - we liked
him and we lost him, that's the way it goes sometimes...and Utah is going to
beat Portland fairly regularly soon.
Stick a fork in the NBA season, they're done; thanks to the players that don't
want to play but just get paid!! They remind me of Michael Jordan who wanted
the Bulls to "just forget the bottom line one year" that he happened
that year to make over $40 million....he didn't forget his bottom line at all,
did he?As to the point that they have short careers.....they still
make millions and never have to work again if they are careful. Why should they
be able to retire at 30 and never work again just because they can throw a ball
into a hoop? And why isn't that good enough for them? Remember when Boozer
made $68 million with the Jazz? When we toured the Bureau of Engraving and
Printing in Washington DC we saw pallets of $100 bills where each pallet was
worth $30 million and I told my family "Boozer will get paid over two
pallets." It made us sick just to consider such a thing.
Re: Jonathan Eddy, I will do the exact same thing, but reality is the owners and
players could care less.What causes me to shake my head is players
continually saying they just want a fair deal. They really have no touch with
reality. Even with the owners new offer, most would be making millions a year to
play a game. I hope the season is lost. I hope players current
contracts become null and void and give the players time to try and realize just
how good they have it.I think the Jazz would have been a fun team to
watch this year. Oh well...Good riddance NBA.
shaun 3:15 p.m. Nov. 14, 2011SAINT GEORGE said:"I am on
the players side. Their careers are short usually ten years or less. Wouldn't
you try to maximize your earnings during this time"How many
people do you know, Shaun, who can retire after 10 years with millions in the
bank. These players have not risked one thin dime, and they think they walk on
water. They don't even know the cost of the shoes they wear. I would lock the
gym doors and throw away the keys. See how fast they come begging.
As I've said before: The NBA needs to learn from the mistake MLB players/owners
made in the 90's. It took a decade before baseball regained the popularity it
had before the strike. A missed season will not only affect players, owners and
support staff (including those that work at the venues themselves,) but local
business owners will feel a tremendous impact from not having a season. That
will come back to bite many of these teams when their next season rolls around
and many of those businesses won't/can't buy advertising because they either
don't have the budget, or because they're no longer in business. Lastly,(as others have already pointed out) many of these players are out of
touch with their fan base. At a time when most people are financially strapped,
professional sports is one of the few "luxuries" or forms of
entertainment that they have to turn to. Instead of cutting back, like most fans
are having to, these guys are out to get EVEN more money. It all begs the
question:Are they playing for "the love of the game," or
"the love of the gain?" I'm inclined to believe the
I would hope the owners, Derek Fisher et al, and the Players Union read the
comments here and I am sure in other newspapers around the country. With many
people with no job, many with poor paying jobs and many of us just making ends
meet, how dare they try to hold us up for more money because the more the
players are paid, the more a ticket will cost, and the more of us will stop
attending any NBA game from Boston to LA.
Wow... just checked the details of the offer on CBS Sportsline... players making
a huge mistake! The deal offered is very fair, and will significantly improve
the balance within the league... top teams would pay FAR more for being over the
cap, while lower teams like Sacramento would be forced to pay 85-90% of the cap,
so no putting out crappy, cheap teams for your fans. This is a great deal for
fans who want to see balance... too bad the players don't want that... they want
their super teams in the most desirable cities.
JFFR | 3:33 p.m. Nov. 14, 2011 Salt Lake City, UT "I also feel
bad for all the businesses downtown that count on Jazz fans. We should organize
some events and support them. I'm grateful KJZZ is showing Jazz classics, maybe
some of the restaurants should organize parties during those games? "JFFR, I think I'll sit back and let the LDS church take care of the
downtown businesses. Its pretty obvious the church has a huge interest in the
success of the downtown area in SLC.
That was Dave Checketts that didn't have a clue. Apologies to Chris.
I have to love this argument that while the players had to put nothing of their
own up for risk, and each earn millions for playing basketball, they feel they
are underpaid and treated unfairly.You know, they don't like it,
they can go get jobs and work 40-50 hours a week like the rest of us. If the
NBA were to fold, even though I have been a season ticket holder in the past, I
will not miss it one bit. There are plenty other ways for me to find
entertainment.Entertainers need to get a clue.... that is all they
are, and nothing more. The world will continue without a blink if they were not
Now it's this fan's chance to respond.For every game the Jazz do not
play this year, I will match it with my own personal boycott of an equal number
of games when they return. I will not go to any live games. I will not watch any
games on TV nor will I watch any other team's games during my lockout.Take that NBA.Take that Player's Union!
Owners made the mess. Players are keeping it that way. Neither have my sympathy.
My sympathy goes out to those who are voiceless yet dependent on the NBA (Arena
workers, local companies, etc.)It's a shame...
I hope the NBA goes Bankrupt and when a new league is formed, the players are
making 25% of what they were making.
The players simply assumet that the league will simply go back to the old ways.
Time waits for nobody and this year will be gone. The fans will not forgive this
time. Ban the NBA. Focus on college sports.
I think the NBA just committed public harry carry
HA!! Let em lose the season - see what that does for fan support going forward.
Fans see Colby and Lebron and others making 20 mil + per year and they find it
hard to feel any support or sympathy for the players. The low end players will
get killed with this but it sounds to me like that doesn't matter. Yes - LOSE
the season and see who cares. The ones that will really care will be the guys in
the concession stands etc....
The NBA is soooo FANtastic, that now they're taking the money I've given them
and they've decided to give it to the lawyers so the lawyers can now talk this
out in court. This is not at all what I had intended by supporting my hometown
The players have been riding the gravey train for too long. Now they are
driving it right into the ground. These self absorbed players are thinking they
are just too important to fail. Well, they have started killing the golden
goose and from now on will not be eating the fatted calf. The majority these
players have no skills outside of basketball. Let's see how they do now. The
problem with a players meeting, it is driven by the stars and mob mentality. No
one dares state what is really on their minds. Looks like this season is done.
I'll miss the game but not the stars who think they are the game. Dallas proved
what a "team" can do.
Occupy, go sit on the lawns of NBA players!
I feel really bad for guys like Jeremy Evans who probably have only 2 or 3 years
in the league (I hope he proves me wrong! I'd love to have him with the Jazz
for ten years, especially if he develops a jump shot! ;))I also feel
bad for all the businesses downtown that count on Jazz fans. We should organize
some events and support them. I'm grateful KJZZ is showing Jazz classics, maybe
some of the restaurants should organize parties during those games?
The owners and the players need to learn what rejection feels like.
I suppose Chris Hill didn't have a clue on this, after all.
I for one miss watching Jazz basketball. There are plenty of bitter posters who
claim they won't miss the season, I don't agree with them. I will miss the
season! Last year's NBA season was a lot of fun despite the fact
that it was the roughest year for the Jazz I've ever seen (I was on my mission
from 03-05) I've loved watching Hayward, Evans, Millsap, Favors, Big Al, etc
come together. I loved watching the Heat, Bulls, Celtics, Thunder, Lakers and
Spurs.Its a shame it has come to this. I love the NBA, I hope they
figure something out soon.@Portland Trail Blazers- thanks to all the
injuries, you don't get to see most of those guys play anyway.
I am on the players side. Their careers are short usually ten years or less.
Wouldn't you try to maximize your earnings during this time?If teams
are losing money then why do teams keep on getting bought for more and more
money? Isn't it business 101 to run the numbers before you invest in something
to make sure you can make money?Also I hate to burst peoples bubble
but if the owners get their way the ticket prices won't go down, concessions
wont go down, etc. All that will happen is a money shift from the players to the
owners and the fans will still be paying out big bucks.
Poor NBA players. Perhaps they should join the "we are the ninety-nine
demonstrations. They are about to kill the goose that laid the "golden
People are entitled to earn whatever the market will bear and if that makes them
rich so be it.The point the players are missing here is that the
market will not bear their salaries. Most teams are losing money and in my view
some cities should be shut down. Pro sports are a unique situation and as such
basically have to operate on a "shared socialist" model or it just
does not work.If you don't do it that way then there is about 6
teams that make money and how much interest do you get in league with 6
teams?The players ought to realize the economy is in the tank. I
will take over a 15% gross pay cut this year between no annual increase and
decreased bonus. Not to mention I can be terminated at any time and don't have
a guaranteed contract like they do. I'm not sure why the players believe they
should be insulated from reality but it is clear they do believe they are
special.I hope the owners stick it to them now.
Average NBA salary = $5.15 millionAverage per capita personal income in
2010 = $40,584Certainly hard to sympathize with NBA players in
their fancy suits, expensive cars, and high-priced homes in todays economy with
families struggling to keep from losing their homes and many people out of work.
I'm not one to promote class envy and demonize the rich, but NBA players are a
bunch of cry babies.
I'm shocked at the greed and selfishness each time I read an article. Every
time I see an NBA player's face all I see is greed. I suppose I should no
longer be surprised. I have been an avid NBA fan since I was 5 years old, but
no more! This is enough! I'm really done and it's sad.
College basketball is better than the NBA.
I absolutely hope the owners dig in their heels and now offer 47%. The
unemployed, uneducated, unskilled (outside of basketball of course) will be
standing in line for $25/hour jobs.Idiots!
I'm upset that we won't be able to watch the Blazers for a while. I
could care less about the Jazz and if we ever see them again.No Roy,
Oden, Aldridge, Matthews, Felton, Batum, Camby, Smith, to watch for a long time.
What a shame. Go BLAZERS! PS Thanks for Matthews
It's about time we, us, Joe & Josephine Public let these idiots know who's
really in charge. I say after they have finally agreed on a CBA (Collective
Bargaining), and they will eventually agree, they're to greedy not to. We should
boycott their games for an entire season, maybe more. Don't purchase a single
ticket.We are the third party that never gets represented, we just
keep letting the aristocracy stick it to us. Who needs these people and who is
really going to miss the NBA, besides the local ladies of the night and the
tattoo salons. I know I won't.We need to do this for all major
league professional sports, NBA, NFL, MLB etc.. They have gotten way out of
control and need to be stopped. All things considered, what they do just isn't
that important in the grand scheme of things.
By the time the elite players, the lawyers, and their agents have finished
alienating the fans, they will be fighting over far less revenue than they
think. Fans are getting a belly full of these greedy elite players and their
greedy agents. Especially in these economic hard times. I say let the superstars
go to Europe. I won't miss them at all.
Who cares!! Just televise more college basketball games they are more
entertaining anyway. I fell bad for all the people at the venues who will be
missing out on work. Maybe, the owners should take the money they are saving
from having to pay large contracts and give those "Workers" a
compensation check. That way the big salaries will go to something other than
owning another fancy sports car they don't know how to drive.
A big bunch of babies fighting over bigger salaries. AKA parasites. 50-50 seems
pretty fair to me when the players don't have to put any capital at risk, don't
have to pay any business operations, their contracts are guaranteed. I hate the
flopping NBA players do on the floor, I hate the flopping they are doing in
these negotiations. I'm starting to hate the NBA.Think also about
the competition. The player's demands will kill at least 10% of the teams,
which will only further alienate the fans. Have the players considered how their
decision affects the people who rely on the NBA for work? Selfish jerks.Just like all unions, you bite the hand that feeds you. I say cut these
kids off until they learn the value of a dollar.
Here's my proposal. Every player signs for two million a year, no matter what,
base salary (they would be forced to live on $166,600 a month). Players recieve
a benefits package which includes medical, dental, retirement and other needed
items, paid in full by the NBA. Players also divide a percentage of gate
receipts, let's say 30% from the gate and 10% of television contracts (subject
to bartering). It's all level for each player, no matter how good or bad they
are. The second phase of paying NBA players is endorsements. Let
companies like Nike, Addidas, under Armor etc. pay whatever they want to the
superstar athletes. Let the agents of players barter with companies rather than
teams. Problem sovled.Problem solved.
Let's get rid of professional sports completely. They're all a bunch of overpaid
whiny brats. It's a GAME. You are being offered millions of dollars to play a
GAME. There are millions of people out there right now who would be more than
happy playing basketball for $50,000 a year. America seriously needs
to get its priorities straight.
The players can go stick their foot in the river and then pull it out and see
how big of a hole it leaves. That's how much I will miss them.
Look at the picture! (What did Kobe's coat cost? about $10,000)The
"elite" or should I say arrogant, have no idea what the real world is.
The guys that play the game with real life passion and treat the game as a nice
job they love, are definitely losing out. The owners should take it to the
inflated egos, then the players who will play for a measly 1 million/year can
let the owners know of their sincerity and start a "real" NBA! Let
the owners run a profitable business by employing those who really know they
need a job. If it wasn't for the people who depended on the season in order to
put food on the table, it would be good riddance!
Owners need to stay strong, shut down the whole season if needed.
Well, so be it! The players have spoken, the NBA has spoken--and neither one of
them considered the fans or the team employees, or related-business employees
who are badly hurt by this decision.Time now for the team owners to
dissolve the NBA and form a new league with players who want to play
basketball---not just become rich spoiled brats. Who at fault here?
Billy Hunter, Derek Fisher, rich player agents who are getting rich off of
these so called 'superstars'.One thing the players and agents didn't
stop to realize--if they lose the season and that big yearly salary--they will
NEVER make up the money they will have lost. They may have a 15 million dollar
contract, but if they are not playing, that big contract doesn't mean diddly!
I can honestly say I havent missed watching the Jazz or the NBA. The players are
totally out of touch with reality. As a season ticket holder in the past I could
care less if they cancelled the entire season....
LHM must be rolling over in his grave. He would have been outspoken about what
is going on here. I'm sure Jerry is glad he got out when he did. Good news for
me, no more basketball!
Too bad everyone doesn't cancel their season tickets and see how far the players
would get with no fan base to pay their ridiculous salaries. No one is going to
lose sleep over these idiots holding out and no season. Life goes on, will they?
Unbelievable. They're making an average of $5.5 MILLION and its not enough. How
about stopping by a public school and telling the teachers how tough you've got