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  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Nov. 16, 2011 5:43 p.m.

    Good luck on the right combination of W's and L's (by other teams) to get U into the Championship game this year. If not this year, I don't know when U will have a chance at the championship game. USC will win the South 9 out 10 years going forward.

    North Division will stay competitive between Washington, Oregon and Stanford most years. But USC is clearly the cream of the crop in the South. That's not a shot at Utah, just reality.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Nov. 16, 2011 5:08 p.m.

    haha byu fans are seriously clueless to the game of football if they are really saying utahs "cupcakes" are even close to being the same.. are you serious???? LOL im dying laughing over here. byu fans are just showing their true knowledge of the game which is.. a big fat 0.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 15, 2011 7:06 a.m.

    motorbike

    Pardon me while put on my high top boots, it's getting 'deep'.

    "Utah waxed Pitt..." wasn't this the game the announcer apoligized for?

    Let me light another candle at the PAC 10.2 altar for you.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:26 p.m.

    Riddles -

    Shows how little you know about football if you don't think that list of Pac 12 teams wouldn't cause those other conferences all sorts of trouble. If Boise and TCU had to play the bottom 6 teams in the Pac 12 I guarantee you there would be some Boise and TCU loses. No one in a conference like that would run the table and it would be a crap shoot as to who came out on top.
    The Wac, don't even go there.
    Conference USA and the Big East...very much the same...it would be a conference of very similar opponents and it would be anyone's guess who finishes on top. But simply look at this...Utah waxed Pitt and Pitt is in the running to win the Big East. So if Utah is a cupcake playing even lesser cupcakes on their schedule then it's definitely safe to say the lower half of the Pac 12 would be top competition in most other conferences. So if they're cupcakes...then what are they feasting on in those conferences? Bon Bons?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:49 p.m.

    Hellooo | 7:56 a.m. Nov. 14, 2011
    Salt Lake City, UT
    The Utes have been feasting on these very bad PAC-12 opponents. If there ever was a more over hyped schedule in the history of the state it is this PAC-12 season...."

    How is that BCS invite working out for BYU? Been very quiet lately.

  • bgl Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:34 p.m.

    From the bitter to the sweet, from week to week, I have to say that playing in the Pac12 is an absolute riot. If this team finishes with 8 or possibly 9 wins, I will be very proud of them. They lost a crafty, talented, veteran leader at QB (who very nearly led them to a win in the Coliseum and they've worked a raw and untested Jon Hays into someone who they can count on to not beat himself. So much credit to this coaching staff. Last, but not least--the Utes have a running back. Every team they've played for the last month has known exactly what the Utes are going to do and the Wolfman continues to deliver. Great, non sloppy line play and a defense that is a joy to watch. I can't imagine that ASU will lose out, but stranger things have happened. Utah's strength of schedule is 38th in the nation and the Sagarin (Predictor-the most reliable source of future outcomes ever invented) has them ranked 26th in the Nation. This team could well finish the season ranked.

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:48 p.m.

    Plenty of football left to be played!

    Excellent.

    Utah is 6-4. No more, no less. Hopefully they can continue to roll vs Washington State.

    Utah's record against teams that are "Big Cats": 4-0
    Montana State 27-10
    BYU Cougars 54-10
    Pitt Panthers 26-14
    Arizona Wildcats 34-21

    Now. let's add the other cougars to that list....

    Go Utes!

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:00 p.m.

    I posted some calculations a few minutes ago. They were based on Massey's computed probability of victory for the road team:

    Arizona @ Arizona State 6%
    California @ Stanford 3%
    Colorado @ UCLA 18%
    Utah @ Washington State 64%
    Washington @ Oregon State 71%
    USC @ Oregon 7%
    Colorado @ Utah 8%
    California @ Arizona State 16%
    La.-Lafayette @ Arizona 20%
    Oregon State @ Oregon 0%
    Washington State @ Washington 16%
    Notre Dame @ Stanford 15%
    UCLA @ USC 94%

    However, I had an error. I had UCLA with an 18% chance of beating Colorado, which I realized was probably wrong only after I added my comment. Using the correct UCLA having an 82% chance of beating Colorado, it changes the results to be:

    Arizona State78.47%(outright or 2-way tie with Utah)
    UCLA11.69%(outright or 2-way tie with Arizona State)
    Utah0.54%(outright or 2-way tie with UCLA)30
    3-way9.30%

    ASU still wins all the 3-way tie situations, for a total probability of winning the division of Arizona State of 87.78%.

    Although Massey gives UA and UCLA 6% chances of beating their rivals, they are rivals and who knows how that will play out.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Nov. 14, 2011 7:29 p.m.

    We have a lot of football left--13 Pac-12 games to be exact--to determine the division winners. Six of those games matter to the Pac-12 South in terms of determining the division champion.

    Using Massey's computation of the probability of victory for each game, I looked at the 8,192 possible outcomes of those 13 games and determined the probability of each outcome.

    In the Pac-12 South, Arizona State wins it either outright or in a 2-way tie with Utah 93.58% of the time. UCLA wins it outright or in a 2-way with ASU 2.99%. Utah wins it 0.56% outright or 2-way tie with UCLA. They go to a 3-way with 2.87% probability and ASU wins all of the outcomes in the second 3-way tie breaker (record against division opponents eliminates UCLA (now 1-2) leaving the head-to-head of ASU over Utah). It never gets to final BCS ranking.

    Of course, we need to play the games, but while Utah has a chance to represent the division it is very slim and UCLA's isn't much greater.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 7:26 p.m.

    dknight68

    "I will go with UCLA they had a winning record when Utah beat them"

    Aren't you forgetting that UCLA was destroyed by Arizona (12-48)?

    UCLA will finish with no better than a break-even record unless they pull a huge upset at USC.

  • FYI Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 6:56 p.m.

    In response to midpacmajor and everyone one else's questions: Is Utah improving over the weaker part of their schedule? Of course. Does it help give Hays more confidence? Certainly, as it would any other team or player in the same situation. Are the teams Utah playing cupcakes? Well I guess in the realm of W/L, possibly. Based on rank of their SOS, not necessarily.
    OSU 24
    Arizona 12
    UCLA 19
    WSU 44
    Colorado 15

    And before I'm accused of bringing BYU into the comment, I am only doing so to respond to midpacmajor who mentioned it first. Yes BYU did play TCU(55) as one of their last 5. Yes TCU beat #5 BSU (43). Both with SOS similar to WSU. However, the win over Ole Miss (23) who may have a losing record but whose SOS is better, looks pretty good. Wins and losses are what everyone bases "cupcakes" on. Isn't the strength of the teams that make up those W/L, a better indicator?

    But then even #1 LSU (18) SOS is lower than Colorado's. Luckily they play the game, and stats on paper do not determine outcome.

  • Darth Vader Ogden, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 6:51 p.m.

    Both teams should just get ready for their next cupcake.

    Got to admit, the 54-10 cupcake was the best.

  • TheTruth801 SLC, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 6:49 p.m.

    at jealous

    Both BYU and Utah lost the last time at UCLA....or did you forget. BYU on the road versus the Pac 12....no so good.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 6:34 p.m.

    ... and the ticklefest continues! This is so fun to watch. LOL

  • dknight68 Ogden, ut
    Nov. 14, 2011 5:53 p.m.

    @ PAC man
    I will go with UCLA they had a winning record when Utah beat them and had Utah lost the Bruins would have had the same record as Washington, meaning Washington and UCLA are very comparable. Therefore from the Washington game to the UCLA game the Utes have shown improvement.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 5:41 p.m.

    motorbike

    "Put OSU, Cal, WSU, UCLA, Arizona and Colorado in any conference other than the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 and they'd all have better records then they currently have. Any of those teams barring maybe Colorado could be in the running for a WAC or MWC Championship."

    You really believe any of those teams could challenge Boise State or TCU for the MWC championship? Or beat Clemson or Virginia Tech for the ACC championship? Or beat Houston or So. Miss., for the C-USA championship?

    Cal is the only half decent team in that list and the Bears couldn't even beat UCLA.

    You seriously need to get off that PAC 12 koolaid and come to grips with reality -- none of those teams would finish in the upper half of any decent conference.

  • MN Ute SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 5:35 p.m.

    1. Oregon and Stanford are predicted to go to the Rose and Fiesta Bowls respectively.
    2. To all the BYU fans, why don't you prove us Utes wrong by actually being the better men and not acting petty, jealous, and spiteful on a UTE article. The Utes are a good team who were able to make the most out of a terrible situation. And yes, our closing schedule is weaker, but look at the teams they've had to play as well. Oregon, Stanford, ASU, USC, and Washington aren't patsies, so 5 assured losses for these "cupcakes" isn't that surprising (Colorado's 9 are sad, I will admit).
    3. Ute fans, be the better people and quit using the beatdown (I'm thinking of referring to the game as this from now on, what do you think?) as a counter to whatever they say. Their schedule was done at the last minute,so of course they could only get WAC teams and a few FBS ones. We'll all see the true test of the future when they get a better schedule and a better quarterback next year (though Bronco might bench Mangum, the guy doesn't seem a good judge of talent)

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 14, 2011 5:23 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    "you gotta watch the games yourself. if you can't see it for yourself, you gotta take the blinders off"

    Congratulations, you finally made an intelligent post, which is exactly the same argument BYU fans have been making concerning BYU's improvement.

    If Utah can improve against cupcakes, so can BYU.

  • Scots Ogden, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:36 p.m.

    If Utah beats Washington State and Colorado they will be 5-4 in the Pac-12 then they will need UCLA to lose 1 game and they have Colorado and USC, and Arizona State will need to lose there last 2 against Arizona and Cal.

  • HappyLDSUte PROVO, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:22 p.m.

    @ Every cougar fan on this article

    We know you are jealous, but seriously. First it was cute, and now it's ridiculous. Are the teams that Utah beat the last few weeks incredible. Absolutely not. Are they light years away from anyone ybu has played the past few weeks besides a ho-hum TCU? You better believe it. Has Utah improved over the past few weeks? Yes, they have. Will they go to the Rose Bowl? I'd bet a lot of money that they don't. Is there a real chance to get to the Conference championship game? Of course, albeit a small one. It's really quite comical that ybu fans will trash Utah's "cupcakes" (including your own team-priceless!) but then they say that there is no way that Utah will go to the championship game. Which is it coogs?? Why is it hard to believe that UCLA and ASU could possibly lose their next two games and Utah win their next two? I thought they were "cupcakes!"

    Remember when UTAH annhilated the coogies 54-10? Rise N' Shout! Lol!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:20 p.m.

    PACman

    awfully tough to gobble up that 44 point beat down, isn't it.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 4:13 p.m.

    The trolls need to realize an important thing in regard to Utah's supposed cupcake end of year schedule. Those "cupcakes" all play in a very good conference...meaning, OF COURSE they don't all have glamorous records, it's a funny thing that happens in great conferences.
    Example: if the top 13 teams in the country were all in the same conference, then half the teams would finish 6-6 or worse. Does that mean those teams were cupcakes?
    Now...I'm certainly not saying Utah's last 5 opponents are among the best in the country, and are the Utes playing the softest part of their schedule? Sure they are. But are those opponents cupcakes? Put OSU, Cal, WSU, UCLA, Arizona and Colorado in any conference other than the SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 and they'd all have better records then they currently have. Any of those teams barring maybe Colorado could be in the running for a WAC or MWC Championship.
    If you trolls can't grasp that concept then so be it. The rest of us will just continue to roll our eyes and laugh at the cupcakes on the Cougar Schedule.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:54 p.m.

    @Pac Man

    you gotta watch the games yourself. if you can't see it for yourself, you gotta take the blinders off (as do a lot of the Ute fans on here who are still in denial thinking we have a shot at the conference title.)

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:52 p.m.

    PAC man:

    Who has/will BYU beat in the last 7 games to show that they have improved since losing to Utah and Texas?

  • DontMUSSwUtah SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:46 p.m.

    BYU fans arguing over their favorite pastries-

    Our Cupcakes whoop up on teams like your cupcakes in non-conference games. Be real for once on your quest to stay relevant.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:38 p.m.

    I quickly scan the comments, and yes, it has turned into another BYU vs. U of U slam session.

    Congrats to both teams for a relatively good year. As a Cougar/Ute fan, I wanted to see our Utes in the Rose Bowl, but there is next year with so many juniors on the team. And I wanted the Cougs to beat Texas and TCU. They would be ranked right now if they had beat those teams and not lost to Utah so badly.

    But that's football. Best of luck to the Utes. If your squad performs well, they may face Texas in the Holiday Bowl. Take those Longhorns down!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:35 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    What's your point?

    Who has/will Utah beat in their last five games that shows that Utah has improved since losing to California, ASU and Washington?

    Stop dancing and answer the question!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:25 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    That's the best you can do?

    The only reason the BYU win was easy is because BYU gift-wrapped it for U.

    BYU = least significant victory for Utah
    BYU = most significant victory for Utah

    Gotta love the irony of an entire fanbase living in denial of being obsessed with the team they supposedly "left behind" in June 2010.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:24 p.m.

    hmmmmm every expert out there disagrees with skywalker.....should I believe experts who do this for a living, or a disgruntled, jealous fan? Its a tough call.....but im goign with the experts.

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:23 p.m.

    @ Jealous U:

    "It's funny how Utah fans gave BYU absolutely no credit for sometimes huge wins against PAC 10 teams . . . Their hypocrisy knows no bounds."

    Your hypocrisy apparently knows no bounds either, as you cougs seem so intent on discrediting our wins against PAC 12 teams.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:12 p.m.

    @skywalker

    just about everyone except for you is predicting that Stanford will go to the Fiesta Bowl. hmmmmm experts or a disgruntled, jealous fan? Who do I think has more credibility?

    @Jealous U

    *sigh* go back and read my post. The post by midpac got the response it deserved. if you wnat to be taken seriously, make a real point.

  • EssOh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 3:09 p.m.

    @skywalker:

    With 10 BCS spots open and limit of 2 teams per conference, SEC and Big 12 will get 2 spots for sure. That's 6 more available spots. I don't think there's any way Big East, ACC & Big 10 will produce more than 1 team each. Then, there are still 3 spots open. Pac 12 Champ will fill one spot (either Oregon or the team that upsets Oregon). Now, 2 left. Most likely, unless Houston chokes, they'll get a spot as a non-auto qualifier in the top 12 BCS ranking. Now, wouldn't a BCS Bowl love to take a one loss Stanford with Peyton Manning, Jr quarterbacking?

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 2:52 p.m.

    Jealous U

    funny, because in Utah fan's mind, BYU was our least significant victory. It was the easiest by far and the one that put most of us to sleep. We just bring it up so often because it gets you trolls so angry.

    And even if we did only have one significant victory, that is one more than BYU has this year, and one more than BYU had last year........

    good bye.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 14, 2011 2:51 p.m.

    EssOh

    With Stanford's humiliating loss to Oregon, the PAC 12 has absolutely no chance of getting two teams into BCS games this season. Oregon is headed to the Rose Bowl unless LSU, OSU, Alabama, and Oklahoma all lose a game, unlikely.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 2:41 p.m.

    Kosta Fesenko

    Reading comprehension: go back and read midpacmajor's initial post, then try to explain the inane babble of Utah fans that followed - not a single Utah fan made a cogent argument why Utah's season-ending "turnaround" shouldn't be attributed to an endless series of cupcakes, rather than actual improvement.

    Why should any Utah opponent on that list NOT be considered a cupcake?

    This isn't about BYU; this is about Utah, so try to stay focused. If you can't argue the point without bringing BYU into the mix, then your argument is shallow and meaningless.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 2:25 p.m.

    Gotta laugh at the Catch 22 our insecure little friends on the hill have created for themselves.

    Utah's ONLY significant win this season is beating BYU, so by devaluing their only win against a D1-A team with a winning record, they foolishly devalue the only meaningful win they have.

    They must enjoy poking themselves in the eye to make themselves feel better.

    It's funny how Utah fans gave BYU absolutely no credit for sometimes huge wins against PAC 10 teams like Oregon(38-8), Oregon State(44-20), Washington(23-17), and UCLA(59-0), when Utah was playing in the MWC, but now that the Utes are playing in the PAC 12, every PAC 12 team is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

  • EssOh SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 2:14 p.m.

    One thing I don't think anyone's talked about regarding Utah's bowl game projection is that Oregon beat Stanford on Saturday. That means they both have just one loss. As long as Oregon and Stanford do not choke the rest of the season (possible with Oregon playing SC and Stanford playing ND), they're both most likely headed to BCS Bowls. That means Utah has a better chance of being in a better bowl game with 1 more PAC-12 bowl spot vacated. If the dominoes fall right (not likely), they could be in the Alamo as the #3 team from Pac-12. Or, the Holiday Bowl in San Diego is not out of the realm of possibilities.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:42 p.m.

    @Christy B

    you didn't read any of the comments did you? No one is saying that Utah is beating powerhouses.....go back and read pocyUte's comment. If you can't get that, find someone to explain it to you.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:35 p.m.

    @midpacmajor,

    Remember, Utah's "improvement" is being measured against Utah's cupcakes. BYU's cupcakes are irrelevant.

    you couldn't have said it any better. Atleast Utah's so-called cupcakes have a name and PAC-12 tradition. Well byu's are....well. IRRELEVANT. ha ha ha

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:34 p.m.

    Utah fans, don't get wrapped up in the game of trolls like Christy B and Snack PAC. These are the same people who three weeks ago were saying that Utah would go winless in the PAC12. Since that obviously didn't pan out, they're just moving their smack down a couple rungs on the ladder.

    PAC12 > Being alone
    54 > 10

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:27 p.m.

    Christy, midpac and snack

    Better to play the cupcake than be it, thanks for padding our schedule. We look forward to it every year

    sincerely every Ute fan

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:22 p.m.

    Christy

    54-10 over the biggest cupcake of all

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:14 p.m.

    funny thing is, BYU is hanging their hat this season on their win over Oregon State! They are just a bumb in the road in the Pac-12! LOL!

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 1:06 p.m.

    Agreed, PAC 12 Cupcakes:

    OSU(2-8)
    Ariz(2-8)
    UCLA(5-5)
    WSU(4-6)
    Col(2-9)

    Despite all of their rants, Utah homers couldn't come up with a single valid argument to refute the obvious, that OSU, Arizona, UCLA, WSU and Colorado are all cupcakes.

  • butters Salt Lake city, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 12:56 p.m.

    cupcake has such a connotation of byu's schedule. no byu fan can look at utah's back end of the schedule and judge it for being soft without looking at their whole schedule. is there any byu fan out there that can honestly say they'd rather play teams from the wac over teams from the pac?

    everyone knows oregon state, coloroado, wsu and arizona are the bottom half of the pac, but utah's winning. i recall at this exact time last year byu sure was hitting their stride by feasting on the likes of wyoming, unlv, new mexico and colorado state.

    you want cupcakes?

    ole miss (2-8)
    ucf (4-6)
    usu (4-5)
    sjsu (3-7)
    osu (2-8)
    idaho st (2-8)
    idaho (2-8)
    nmsu (4-6)

    i'll take utah's "cupcake" schedule over byu's pop warner schedule anyday.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 12:48 p.m.

    Snack

    I disagree that the PAC 12 is filled with cupcakes. Do you honestly think any team in BYU's last 5 games of the season, outside of TCU who beat you soundly, would compete at all with the 5 teams you and midpac listed.

    Those teams aren't very good, but they have something that ISU, Idaho, Hawaii and New Mexico St don't have, legitimate athletes.

    Are you calling ASU a cupcake? They were ranked before they were beaten by WSU, and UCLA 2 of your supposed cupcakes.

    What you and other BYU fans who continue to fall all over themselves trying to tear down Utah is the fact that the more you try and denigrate the Utes, the more you demean your own team.

    Frankly, judging by the scores of the games, one could make the argument that BYU was Utah's biggest "cupcake" of the season.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 12:40 p.m.

    It must be really hard for the outsiders to look in and see what is really going on.....

    BYU beat a bottom of the barrell pac-12 team by 10 points. They beat two teams from Idaho by 35 and 53. To claim that BYU's cupcakes are on par with Utah's is truly laughable.

    And congrats on "playing" TCU..........that doesn't count for anything.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 12:29 p.m.

    niners, billybubba, Lifelong Ute, pocyUte, Kosta Fesenko

    FAIL!

    Not one of your addressed the salient point of midpacmajor's post:

    Why should every one of these teams be considered?

    OSU(2-8)
    Ariz(2-8)
    UCLA(5-5) - blown out 48-12 by Ariz
    WSU(4-6) - blown out 44-21 by OSU
    Col(2-9)

    Personal attacks and weak strawman simply prove what is obvious:

    The PAC 12 is filled with cupcakes; you just don't have the guts to admit it.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 12:16 p.m.

    midpac

    lol! your logic is hsyterical. I am guessing you are a parody account, similar to Chris B?

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:50 a.m.

    midpac

    54-10, that's the only measuring stick you need

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:46 a.m.

    midpac,

    We're one game back from a Pac 12 title game and Rose Bowl shot.

    And you?

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:45 a.m.

    @midpacmaj

    I am pretty sure UCLA, Arizona, Colorado, WSU are much better than SJSU, Idaho St., Idaho, USU, and Ole Miss (just lost to LT 27-7, are you kidding?) BYU barely beat that OSU team you are saying is weak...The WAC is the worst conference in the nation!! Look up the conference rankings on ESPN, yes the WAC is below the Sun Belt! BYU is playing the bottom half of the worst conference in the nation. Utah is playing the bottom of the PAC. If BYU played WSU, UCLA, Arizona or even Colorado, I would predict at least a 14 point loss for BYU in every one of those games. BYU will struggle against NMSU and Hawaii, while Utah beats two teams far better than NMSU or Hawaii.
    Now that being said, I understand BYU had to make a schedule at the last minute and that is why their schedule is so weak. But for your sake do not make such foolish comments like BYU and Utah's schedule are similar in strength. Most BYU fans would even laugh at the statement you made.. Colorado would win the WAC buddy...

  • billybubba South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:42 a.m.

    Its because they on in the pac-whatever the conference of champions the bcs need I explain more

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 11:32 a.m.

    The only reason the Utes "continue to progress" is because their season-ending schedule is filled with cupcakes - not a single team with a winning record in Utah's last five games, but Utah fans continue to rationalize that their cupcakes are better than BYU's cupcakes. What a pathetic argument.

    BYU's season-ending schedule included a road game against 19th-ranked TCU(8-2), a team that just beat #5 Boise State, on the road. Utah's season-ending schedule included a home game against pathetic UCLA(5-5).

    For all of the Utah homers, please try to explain why any of these teams shouldn't be considered cupcakes:

    OSU(2-8)
    Ariz(2-8)
    UCLA(5-5) - blown out 48-12 by Ariz
    WSU(4-6) - blown out 44-21 by OSU
    Col(2-9)

    Remember, Utah's "improvement" is being measured against Utah's cupcakes. BYU's cupcakes are irrelevant.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    REAL DEAL--You are so right,my boy and I were talking about the same thing. PAC-12 has been a riot and to see the teams that we have just makes it so nice to be a UTE. I feel bad for these Y fans that are so negative towards the U. They have absolutely no idea what they are missing.

  • Rwright Seattle, WA
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:58 a.m.

    Love me the Utes. The blue collar toughness makes them my favorite.

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:57 a.m.

    Gotta finish the season strong. As much as I appreciate the bold predictions of New Mexico or Kraft from our friends down south (odd, they were convinced that we would be 4-8 with no bowl game.... what happened?), if we win out, the Vegas Bowl is the minimum with the Sun likely and the holiday a possibility.

    But first things first, let's not get ahead of ourselves (see: BYU, preseason national champions every year since 1984). Let's focus on the Red cougars and take them down hard this week.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:43 a.m.

    Being a Ute fan is fun again. The team will have to be on top of their game again this week in Pullman and I think they will be. We're seeing some respect from the national media now and a couple more wins will keep that momentum going.

  • the REAL DEAL Sandy, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:36 a.m.

    As my friends and I were at Rice-Eccles watching the game on Saturday we were talking about how nice it was for the Utes to be playing teams like Washington, Arizona St., Oregon St.,UCLA and Colorado every week (and that's just the home schedule). The days of UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, CSU all distant memories. Life in the Pac-12 is all it was cracked up to be. Even at 6-4(3-4. GO UTES.

  • Midway Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:26 a.m.

    "Although he declined to say it was magic or anything like it, the Utes have played with more "emotion and passion" since the flat showing against Cal.

    Utah's offense hasn't had a turnover since."

    I believe Utah's offense lost a fumble against Oregon St.

  • UU702 Layton, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 10:11 a.m.

    No matter what the haters down south try to spin up the PAC12 has eleven teams with huge resources and access to top shelf talent. The fact that Utah is the first (again) team to make the transition from mid-major to a true elite conference with one hand tied behind their back (finances and injuries) and do it successfully can't be dismissed. Players, coaches, administrators all deserve a ton of credit. Finish the regular season strong and let the bowls fall where they may. Go UTES!

  • BigUtahFan BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:56 a.m.

    The bitterness from down south is strong. First 4 posts are all anti-Ute posts. Hilarious!

    It's weird that Utah even has a chance to play in the CCG. I don't see ASU faltering though. There is a lot parity in the PAC12. Man, this season is fun! It's great to be in this conference. Good games every week. Can't wait to watch Utah dismantle WSU.

    GO UTES!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:42 a.m.

    Thanks for Chow, Ucla!

  • Utesby3 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:35 a.m.

    Congrats to the Utes on a great game! They played great in all aspects of the game. Hope they continue to finish strong. Go Utes!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Nov. 14, 2011 9:16 a.m.

    The Utes have shown a lot of resiliency to bounce back from some bad losses this year.

    5-4 in the PAC-12 will be very respectable.

    To the BYU fans who just can't help themselves just remember 54-10. That is the only score that matters between Utah and BYU this year and you know it. No matter what you say, how you spin it, or what happens to either team from here on, you got crushed head to head 54-10.

  • pittsburgh Ute West Jordan, Utah
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:51 a.m.

    This team has really come together in the last few weeks. Tough losses to start the season like USC and than big losses against good teams like ASU hurt. I dont know if huge wins against mediocre teams like bYu and UCLA will get us into a good bowl game. This year is a good building year and it should help recruiting for years to come.

  • BP Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:35 a.m.

    It would have been easy for the Utes to pack it up for the season. Congrats to the players and Whittingham for pulling this season out of the fire. A Sun Bowl Appearance wouldn't be so bad...better than what they would have had in the MWC.

    At this point, it seems best for Utah fans to place their hopes on an 8 win regular season. The chances seem so slim for a spot in the PAC-12 championship (though that would be cool).

  • akk2602 Sandy, Ut
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:29 a.m.

    Proud of how the Utes have bounced back!!! It sure is fun watching them play in the PAC 12!!!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:16 a.m.

    Like I said, ASU is in a downfall. Utah is on a serious rise.

    Just one game back from a three way tie with UCLA, Utah, and ASU. I heard after that it goes to best BCS ranking. The way Utah is finishing and the way ASU is finishing Utah will have the lead. An Oregon Utah title game would be incredible. Our defense if the best in the pac 12 and their offense is the best. Epic match!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:13 a.m.

    @ wardu: Who played in the NM Bowl last year?

  • niners SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:05 a.m.

    Utah is 5th in the PAC 12 power rankings this week! Not that it means anything, but some respect from the PAC 12 analysts is always good

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 8:02 a.m.

    The Utes have a great chance of finishing 8-4 which is where most of the local prognosticators had them picked before the season started. Considering the challenges they have had with injuries, Ute fans have to be very pleased. This team has real heart. Imagine what we could do with a really good QB!

    The coaching has been phenomonal! UCLA fans have to be kicking themselves over the fact that we got Chow and they kept Neuheisel.

    It's a great time to be a Ute!

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2011 7:56 a.m.

    The Utes have been feasting on these very bad PAC-12 opponents. If there ever was a more over hyped schedule in the history of the state it is this PAC-12 season. There is not a single team outside of USC, which is not eligible that is anything, but very mediocre at best. Nice that the coaching staff, which also seemed intimidated has settled down realized these opponents are paper tigers and begun to get their players to play within their capabilities. It may be a little late, but with very winnable games in the next two weeks, and the poor play of UCLA and ASU, it could be a great finish for this team. As for UCLA, my goodness, they could not get a play off without a penalty the whole game.

  • wardu Fallon, NV
    Nov. 14, 2011 7:10 a.m.

    After leaving Pullman with a loss this will mean nothing. Enjoy the New Mexico Bowl Ute fan. The irony will be delicious.

  • sports fan Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2011 9:58 p.m.

    Im expecting a sun bowl or better, with a better record than asu and a win and better record than ucla I would expect an invitation to el paso before either of those schools.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Nov. 13, 2011 9:27 p.m.

    The Utes have a chance: FAT chance, as they say. Look for them in Vegas, El Paso or Albuquerque...no where else this year.