@PaulIdahoThe Vandal fan did not get to have his head handed to him
by Riley perhaps that is why he was impressed. Then again a QB with
two cracked ribs and a collapsed lung tossing a TD pass in the first few minutes
of the game was not impressive ?Wait a minute, why do we care about
a critique from a Vandal fan ?
Veritas,I expect better from you.According to Sagarin,
who has tracked rankings and SOS back to 1998, it is the 96th best schedule in
the nation. With only mediocre Hawaii and weak New Mexico State left, this
year's BYU schedule will be the weakest one they have played during that
thirteen year period.In this week's ranking, five of BYU's opponents
are ranked below 100, and one of them is ranked below 200!Yet you
claim that doesn't qualify as horrible?Since you brought up Utah's
schedule...You're right, Utah gets a "pass" by not having
to play Oregon and Stanford this year. That was certainly fortunate for the
Utes - kinda like it was fortunate that when BYU goes to SEC country they get a
"pass" by getting to play #115 Ole Miss who is the worst team in their
conference.Utah has played the nation's 32nd toughest schedule.
BYU's schedule is #96, so maybe niners should have claimed that Utah's schedule
is 3x the schedule BYU has. :)Second, I agree that Nelson isn't the
prototypical BYU QB. But he got results that Heaps wasn't getting. Now Heaps
will play because of Nelson's injury, not because Vai was wrong.
niners | 8:40 a.m. Nov. 14, 2011 SAINT GEORGE, UT All of us
Ute fans know that BYU had to put together a schedule at the last minute and
that is why their schedule is horrible...But do not compare Utah's schedule to
BYU's schedule, if you have an ounce of college football knowledge you know Utah
has 4X the schedule BYU does in terms of quality opponents. ===BYU's schedule is not "horrible"... BYU did not get a
"pass" on playing the two premier teams in the PAC... That was
Utah.Secondly, Utah's schedule is not 4 times the schedule of BYU.
Blow the "ounce of of college football knowledge" off, because you
apparently don't have it.===Riley Nelson will not be the
running threat for the rest of the season, ready to throw is body around, so
Jake Heaps (sorry Hapa) is the man.Riley is a "carnival
act", a stuntman, and not a college QB.He did what he had to
do.===Turn the team over to Jake, and let Vai eat crow
niners ... if you have an ounce of college football knowledge you
know Utah has 4X the schedule BYU does..."Yep, and what's your
record?Guess your not a quality opponent... You only
look good trying to compare yourself to BYU. To everyone else in the country
you are an irrelevant bottom feeder.
Just to make a point on a board getting a lot of comments at the moment...To all BYU fans:All of us Ute fans know that BYU had to put
together a schedule at the last minute and that is why their schedule is
horrible...But do not compare Utah's schedule to BYU's schedule, if you have an
ounce of college football knowledge you know Utah has 4X the schedule BYU does
in terms of quality opponents.
From an outsider perspective, I honestly believe Heaps has more of an upside
than Riley. Maybe not today, or even this season but do BYU fans really see
Riley getting any better than has been this season? Riley will not be the QB
that is going to beat the BCS teams you have front loaded next season. Get
Heaps experience against NMSU and Hawaii and then some more against a better C
USA team. Heaps has NFL potential, Riley does not. Heaps can take you to elite
status, Riley cannot. BYU needs a high powered offense to make up for the lack
of speed on defense, Heaps will provide that if Doman/Bronco can get him to his
potential. Just thought I'd give my opinion, not that many of you BYU fans care
what I think...
My bad, Washington State has played in 2 Rose Bowls since 1998, not in the last
B C,I can see how, as a Cougar fan, you fancy yourself to be an
expert on what constitutes a "cupcake."A few
observations:Utah's remaining games are against conference
opponents. They didn't "schedule" them - they come with conference
membership.Washington State has played in 2 Rose Bowls in the last
10 years.Colorado has won a national championship since your beloved
Cougars have.If we define "cupcake" as being ranked 100 or
lower in the Sagarin ratings, then Utah has ONE cupcake on their schedule -
Colorado. BYU has FIVE!It sounds like #77 Washington State meets
your criteria for "cupcake." If we consider all teams rated lower
than WSU cupcakes, then Utah will face off against FOUR cupcakes this year. BYU
will play NINE!Bye the way, Independent BYU has scheduled Washington
State for the next 2 years.BYU's schedule this year is TERRIBLE this
year, largely because they didn't have time to put together a competitive on
after announcing their independence. I expect BYU's future schedules will be
much better. But for a BYU fan to mock anyone else's schedule for containing
too many cupcakes is the ultimate in the pot calling the kettle black.
coleman51Who's we? Got a mouse in your pocket Utah troll? With the
cupcakes Utah is finishing the season with, it's amazing that the trolls insist
on continuing to embarrassing themselves with their hyperbole.
The future of BYU is Heaps, Hill, Mangum. Heaps redshirting would result in
Hill and Mangum having to wait too long. If Heaps can show he has matured and is
showing his ability BYU would be really tough with Nelson playing some and
giving BYU a strong 1 2 punch. BYU has to get lucky to recruit elite running
backs and will do well when an Unga or maybe a couple of Alisa's show up but the
main recipe for BYU to reach its past heights is to get on track with passing
QB's, great tight ends and maybe get a couple more elite receivers like Hoffman.
I don't want to anoint Hoff just yet but he is improving before our eyes and
hopefully will be even better than Collie. Passing for only 200 yds a game
(current formula) won't cut it to develop receivers, qb's or an offensive
line.In my opinion sure BYU will win a bunch with Riley but against
the elite teams his strength will be negated and even if he is somewhat
effective the BYU brand as a potent passing team goes in the back room for
Tough break for Riley but he is tough and it wouldn't surprise me to see him
back playing against Hawaii, hope he recovers quickly. Heaps played well in his
place, probably the most accurate and efficient he has been this season. Good
thing is, I believe byu has two capable QBs and both can get the job done.
It makes no difference who we play as quarterback as long as we play Division 2
teams such as Idaho State, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Maybe the next opponent
will be an NAIA opponent. Get well soon, Riley, so you can play against a real
opponent when we get to the cupcake bowl.
Idablu,Really? You make a crack about Lark? Based on what? Zero snaps at
practice...ever. Thrown in for mop up time, not his fault it's against such a
lame team that it's for an entire quarter plus. Mop up time consists of throwing
players together who never get to work together, typically still against the
oppositions #1D. What do you expect? You can't tell anything from that.
We have four very good Quarter Backs including Lark and Muns. NELSON is injured
and needs time to heal.. His back up, Heaps, is a 5 star QB. The 5 Star QBs
back up appears to be Lark.We are very fortunate to have all four of these
QBs.It is just plain stupid to say anything that is not an absolute
compliment about any of these four QBs. It is an embarrasement to
be part of a group that has so much in the four great Quarter Backs that we
have, and appreciates what we have so little.
Idaho is a better team than UCLA, which makes this a satisfying game.
@ I'll call itYou're not a BYU fan, you live in Ogden and have
season tickets to BYU. Um ... whatever.====@hrs4 I have
yet to hear or read ANYTHING negative from the coaches in regards to any of the
players. That's not their style.These Utesies insist on coming on
the boards to try and spread manure as fact!
I hope that Nelson heals quickly. He is the man! As I recall, he through the
30+ yard TD the play after THE HIT (and he was hit then also). It takes some
courage to get thumped like that and keep playing.I wish Heaps well.
He played better than the third-stringer, but with a better cast. Heaps is the
BYU's future. I hope that he plays the rest of this year, and is able to
red-shirt next year. The way that Nelson plays, I am not sure that
he can play a whole season, nor do I think that he can play his style of
football with a healing broken rib. Maybe he will return in the bowl game, but
not before. He doesn't have the patience.GO COUGS!
With Doman's improved play calling, the RB's and O-line running on the same
page, Heaps just needs to shake off the rust, get the team chemistry going and
the kid will be just fine.However Jacobson, just needs to learn how
to catch the ball, especially when it hits him in the hands!
Why bash Lark when he was playing mopup with many other reserves. I absolutely
love Riley and when healthy his legs and competitiveness make him a force. Yet
as QB's go Heaps has Jordan potential next to Rileys Jimmer potential. I also
remember Michael Jordan as an underclassman at North Carolina and he was no
Michael Jordan then. As a previous caller stated Jake needs to learn the
nuances of the position. He is too concerned about being sacked and needs to
hold on to the ball longer if he doesn't feel a good chance of an open receiver.
BYU also needs to open it up more and let him go through the growing pains. With Hoffman and the young tight ends coming of age and Apo and Jacobson
hopefully showing up more and Coach Doman learning from his mistakes I see the
real potential of BYU in a year or two realized if they can become a pass first
out score them type of team with their strength being Heaps, Hoffman, Alisa and
hopefully Apo who still is struggling but showing promise.
Getting out my predictable crystal ball, what do you bet that Riley is done for
the year...Heaps will finish out and Bronco will once again play the drama queen
card and declare an unsettled QB battle next spring and will not name his
starter till just before the 1st game next fall.......Lets hope
Bronco gets his walking papers.......he can't coach!
Heaps gets the nod for NMSU. With a healthy Nelson and improved
Heaps, who gets the nod at Hawaii? Nelson, because he never actually
"lost" his job. BUT if he does not perform like he is 100%, Bronco
will not hesitate to put in Heaps.Certainly, we now have evidence
that Heaps is markedly better than Lark. ====Bluewombat8:
"I am disgusted by most of you BYU fans. I am a cougar fan people need to
be more real. Neilsen if he does come back..."I attest that he
IS a cougar fan and Utah hater, even if he says "Nielsen."====Apparently Rockwell has appointed himself speaker for the Utes.He is right in one thing, though, that the bottom feeders of the WAC are
already "disappearing" from BYU's schedule.For next year,
the WAC will add UT-San Antonio and Texas State-San Marcos to their football
slate; those teams, at least initially, will replace NMSU and SJSU (leaving USU
out since I like them Aggies) as the "bottom feeders." Since BYU does
not play UT-SA or TSU-SM, despite the fact that they still play NMSU and SJSU,
means that the bottom feeders are now off BYU's schedule.
Here is a sincere wish for Riley's quick recovery. Tough kid. Go Utes!
Rockwell,Please note that my post was in response to what someone
had said earlier. And please comment on what I wrote, not what you think I was
thinking.Heaps was arguably the most sought HS quarterback in the
nation two years ago. Jon Hays was a JC quarterback that didn't get offers from
Division I schools. Thus far, Heaps has been disappointing, while an unheralded
Hays is improving.Heaps' QB rating is 105.8. His numbers came
against #13 Texas, #34 Utah, #82 USU, #86 UCF, #115 Ole Miss, and #137 Idaho.Hays' 120.6 rating came against #28 ASU, #35 Washington, #41 Cal, #59
Pitt, #61 UCLA, #80 Arizona, and #99 OSU.Don't mistake me for a
hater. I want to see Heaps become the QB the BYU Faithful want him to become,
just not when the Cougars play my Utes. Yes, he has a great arm, and shows
moments of greatness, but his numbers don't lie....Don't beat up on
Hays. Like I said, he is improving, and is doing what he is asked to do.
You're fooling yourself if you think Utah fans "don't want Hays to be
anything more than he already is."
I am disgusted by most of you BYU fans. I am a cougar fan people need to be more
real. Neilsen if he does come back will look more like a high school QB because
now he can't run. His passing is the biggest black mark in the history of BYU
QB's. The only reason he is servicable is because of his legs. We have Heaps who
has the potential to be a great QB but everyone is calling for his head. He is
YOUNG. BYU usually has QB's who who have been on a 2 year mission and has a year
of red shirting under their belt before they take the reigns. Give Heap more
seasoning and more experience and he will tear it up. Neilsen has reached his
celing Heaps is no where near his. Be patient and supportive.
"Folks, Nelson is the better player and QB. It's ridiculous to see everyone
ignore the obvious and say Heaps is better."Better player,
possibly. Better QB, no way! Look at Nelson's throws compared to Heaps'
throws. Jacobsen dropped that one catch, but still Heaps looked more
impressive. Sure, he's had interceptions, but every game I've seen with good
QBs (Stanford, Oklahoma, Kansas State) have had multiple unforced interceptions.
If two QBs are about the same skill level and one is about 4 years older than
the other, then the advantage goes to the younger guy. That's just how it
is.Remind me again, did the nation know who Jimmer was his sophomore
year? I'm not necessarily comparing Heaps to Jimmer, I'm just illustrating the
point that people get better as they get older. Heaps has NOT peaked yet!
I'll call it ...call what?A couple of losing seasons, which are
inevitable, and Utah fans will desert RES just like they did the HC.Utah had a gold-embossed invitation to the PAC 12 championship game this year
- an ineligible USC, the top two teams in the PAC 12 not even on their schedule,
and a very mediocre division with only one have half-decent challenger, ASU, and
the Utes still couldn't backdoor their way into the championship game.The bottom feeders of the WAC are already disappearing from BYU's schedule.
The PAC 12 will always have its 2- and 3-win bottom feeders.I laugh
at the thought of the giddy anticipation of Utah fans as they await their season
finale with their new "rival".
Folks, Nelson is the better player and QB. It's ridiculous to see everyone
ignore the obvious and say Heaps is better. Get well soon Riley, we'll weed
you for last 2 games.
Keep on comparing the bottom feeders of the WAC to the likes of UCLA.I enjoy the good laughs.If anyone cares, I can't give my seats
away with the schedule being played in Provo.However, folks want to
know how they can get tickets to see the PAC-12.
Utah'95The comparison of differing levels of competition for Heaps
and Hays might have some relevance IF the statistics for both had been
relatively equal. We all know that every time Hays doesn't hand off
to White, Utah fans cross their fingers hoping Hays doesn't do something stupid
to lose the game for Utah.Even though Heaps hasn't lived up to
expectations, so far, anyone who understands football can see talent and great
potential that simply needs a little more polishing. Only a few naive haters are
hoping Jake will abandon his dream of being another great BYU QB.On
the other hand, Utah fans are simply hoping to survive the season with Hays.
Nobody wants, much less expects, Hays to be anything more than he already is, a
mediocre, emergency fill-in for an injury-prone starter. Utah fans will be all
over Hays the next time he loses a game because of some stupid decision.
hrs4...too funny. I guess missing wide open receivers, an abysmal third and
short pass percentage, and being afraid to get hit were Offensive Coord.
problems. I think Heaps can still be a good QB, but to blame the OC
for poor performance is laughable.
Heaps arm is amazing. He just needs to cut down on mental mistakes. Hopefully
with Alisa, the running game can keep the pressure on Heaps down.
Sorry Riley got hurt. My son was a QB in high school and got some cracked ribs
that kept him out for several games. Very painful, with every breath, and every
move. I hope Riley is given adequate time to heal, and then GOOD protection and
lots of tape and padding if he does play.Give Heaps a chance. He's
young and is still gaining experience. He needs to know his team, his coaches,
his school, and the BYU fans are supporting him. It's a tough enough job without
feeling like no one wants him out there!Good luck with the remaining
games, and the bowl game, too.
Snack PAC,You're right, any quarterback would be proud of a 75%
completion rate.But regarding defense, consider:-Utah's
basic defensive philosophy is stop the run, and depend on the corners to contain
the pass.-Opponents throw against Utah because they can't run on
them.-Comparing USU's rating to Utah's is skewed by the fact that
the Aggies have played the 99th toughest schedule while the Utes have played the
32nd hardest schedule. But since you went there, here are the two teams
defensive rankings:Rush yards per carry: Utes-7, Aggies-17Rushing yards per game: Utes-9, Aggies-23Passing yards per game:
Utes-76, Aggies-64Passing efficiency: Utes-22, Aggies-43Total yards
per game: Utes-27, Aggies-29Points per game: Utes-17, Aggie-73Regarding Hays, he has come a long way in the last month. His priorities
are:-Give the ball to an extremely productive John White IV.-Keep the defense honest.-Don't make costly mistakes.His 5-13 performance (you forgot the 1 TD vs. 0 INT, BTW) was against
UCLA's #62-rated pass D, while Heaps' opponent was against Idaho, ranked #110 in
passing YPG defense.
I hate to see Nelson get hurt, but Heaps is by far the better qb. He took all
the heat for Doman's inexperience. Hopefully, Heaps will finish the season for
BYU and won't transfer next year. He has been treated horribly by the coaching
staff. I don't know of any other program that says such negative things about a
player to the press. The early losses this year were Doman's losses and Heaps
was the fall guy.
I'm still in the Nelson camp. The modern college QB is mobile and can pose a
threat in the air and on the ground. There is no question that Nelson fits that
bill better than Heaps. If you look at the best college QB's for the last 5
years, I would submit that 80% were running/mobile QB's.Having said
that, I thought Heaps did a very good job coming off the bench. It looked like
he seized on a couple of throws and was way off the mark, but for the most part
was very accurate. And though I still think that BYU will be more successful
with Nelson at the helm, I am a little more encouraged by Jake's potential.The Hawaii game is 3 weeks away. Riley will say he is ready to play, but
I doubt he'll be 100% by then. He should be fine for the bowl game though.I think the question of whether Lark should start over either one of
them, was answered in the 4th quarter. . . .uh, no.
What was that booing all about when Heaps showed up for? What a low lame booing.
Reiley Nelson got hurt and had to leave. Glad to see Heaps on the field and see
how he did was pretty good stat on his part. Were they booing because Lark or
Mumm didn't get their chance?
Broken rib and just 1 week missed? I had a similar injury in High School
football, and I was done for. Broken ribs are VERY painful. Everything
hurts--moving, breathing, basic things like that. I can't imagine playing
football without the rib being completely healed (5-6 weeks). I think we've
seen the last of Riley Nelson for the year. I hope I am wrong,
though, as I LOVE to watch him play! He added a sorely needed spark to the
team. I like Heaps also, so I am not overly worried. Best wishes to Riley.
pleblian75% completions is good against air, especially when it
should have been 80% without McKay's drop.What was Hay's excuse for
going 5-13 against UCLA's 61st ranked pass defense?btw, Utah State's
pass defense is ranked 63rd; Utah's is ranked 76th.
Um, any INTs against a team like Idaho is unacceptable. Remember, this is IDAHO!
He had 5 incompletions. Hardly stellar against a really, really overmatched
team.Yourstruly, please explain how BYU is better off without their
junior qb? Are you still hoping for a Heaps comeback? Wow. Just...wow.
Robert, what are you talking about? Go watch last night's game before making
that comment. If you had seen it, you wouldn't be saying that about Heaps.
RobertInaccurate?15-of-20 passes for 185 yards and two
TDs, including a dropped 40-yard pass to McKay Jacobson and a 175.7 efficiency
rating, is hardly inaccurate. Heaps does need to learn to be a little more
patient, to move in the pocket to create passing lanes, to not stare down his
receivers, and to put touch on some balls, instead of rifling everything, but
he's usually quite accurate.Only a Utah troll, pretending to be a
BYU fan from Rexburg, would suggest that having Jake as BYU's starting QB puts
the New Mexico State game in doubt.
15 of 20 for 2 touchdowns and 1 interception is not "innaccurate."
Should have been 16 of 20 for 45 more yards if Jacobsen had not dropped the long
pass that was right in his hands and gut. Give Jake a break. New Mexico State
just beat a good team in Fresno State, but Jake will lead the Cougs to victory
Too bad for Riley but good for BYU. Coach Doman, the offensive line and the
receivers are all performing much better now. Heaps made just one physical
error on the slightly overthrown pass in 20 attempts and otherwize was nearly
perfect with his throws. As usual he makes better decisions than his gutty
counterpart and an unbiased football fan such as a Vandal fan from Idaho I
talked to yesterday who saw BYU for the first time was very impressed with the
embattled Heaps. Good for BYU because they have two fine qb's in
the future and one that has huge upside in Heaps.
Get Better Soon Riley. We will need you for the Bowl game and the rest of the
games. I think that they should make a rule that if you hit a player and he or
she gets hurt then you should be penaltalized for knocking that player out. I
don't like it when these guys think that they are all mighty and injury a
Great, now what should have been an easy win against New Mexico State is in
doubt.Heaps is just plain inaccurate and unable to improvise.
Go figure. And here a lot of us were worried about Nelson's hard running and
concerned he was ripe for injury because of the recekless amandon in which he
carried the ball. That was a heck of a hit he took. Hope he heals quickly.
Perfect timing. BYU's schedule is so full of cupcakes, Heaps should be able to
gain some confidence. We saw what he could do against real opponents, let's
hope he's somewhat better against the scrubs.